what will be the personnel appointments and dismissals, although they are already partially written in telegram channels and in the main internet publications, well, but the finished look, we will see what the next government of shmygal will look like, and maybe not shmygal, that is also a question so far it's open, well, with the information i've read during the day today, i still have an open question as to whether the prime minister will remain. minister denys shmyhal, well, in principle, everything can be in this situation. one more story, gentlemen, this is a story from mongolia, with a trip there zelenskyi, this is a challenge not only for ukraine, but for the whole world, because the war criminal vladimir putin flew to mongolia in order to demonstrate that he is absolutely inspired by the international legal system and the rules that exist.

the existence of an international criminal court, mr. oleksandr, ukraine has already said that mongolia is also jointly responsible for war crimes, well, according to the spokesperson of the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine, that mongolia is jointly responsible for the russian-ukrainian war, since they are not they want to arrest putin. what else can ukraine seek in the current conditions from our western partners, and from the same... from the international criminal court in conditions when the signatories, or those countries that ratified the rome statute, simply do not comply with it. well, the fact is that ukraine, i believe it is quite correct, has ratified the rome statute, and soon the rome statute will enter into force for ukraine as a full member, that is, a lot depends on us. now, being within the framework of this system, we can solve this issue. and

communicate directly, for example, with mongolia, with other countries, in order to convince them also to comply with the rome statute and execute arrest warrants against russian war criminals, that is, a lot will depend now on ukraine, for example, we can use those mechanisms , as an assembly of member states, in order to carry out its own policy and defend its own. at the same time, we can appeal to our partners so that they strengthen, or is it simply a question of this kind of political diplomatic pressure on mongolia, so it is very important here not to create a negative precedent for other countries, from this situation we need to create a rather positive precedent in order to punish the violator and at the same time... motivate

other countries, states, parties to the rome statute, to observe its provisions and implement the warrant for the arrest of putin and other russian war criminals, much depends on our diplomatic skills in this matter. mr. andriy, there is no embassy of mongolia in ukraine, that is, we only have a consulate, and the embassy is in warsaw. is this means that ukraine still... should make these diplomatic efforts in order to, with mongolia, to demand from mongolia that mongolia should somehow react, or react too late, that mongolia has not fulfilled its obligations, but the question arises about diplomatic relations between mongolia and ukraine in the current situation, as well as diplomatic relations between belarus and ukraine, because these are two countries that in...

cause, well, let's say, some emotions, and a logical question arises, if they do not want to have diplomatic relations with us and normal relations, are these diplomatic relations necessary, ukrainians with mongolia, ukrainians with belarus? oh, sergey, you asked about eight questions, but i will try to answer about the criminal court, you know, there is no need to demand anything from mongolia in the history of putin's visit, it has already happened. we must certainly demand from our partners and from the criminal court itself, that is how ukraine voted, the ukrainian parliament voted for ratification, but unfortunately, i am not as optimistic as my colleague mireshka, because we voted on a document that says it only comes into force after the amendments to the criminal code of criminal procedure come into force that will bring those codes into line with the rome statute, and that has to go through my committee, and there hasn't even been a discussion there yet, that is it will take, i think, a few more... months, i don't want to say the word

many months, but if we ratified it on the basis of legality, we could act already, because here it is fundamentally a question of putting pressure on the very structure of the international criminal court. of the rome statute, which, by the way, at the end of september or the beginning of october , the congress will have, and there it would be necessary to seek a reaction, at least the restriction of some rights of mongolia to participate in the criminal court, that is, mongolia would have to suffer punishment in order to again, to protect this institution, because putin is very effectively achieving what he has wanted for decades, which is not just to impose his position, but to humiliate the west, to wipe it out. he has legs, demonstrating that everything that the west produces is not worth a penny at all, and he has been trying to do this with the international criminal court for the past year and a half, probably everyone has forgotten how there was a brics summit in the south african republic, which also ratified the rome

statute, and then there were huge consultations between moscow and johannesburg, and yuar then refused , and putin did not go there, and yuar, as it is possible, is not surprising to anyone, showed more principles. the situation with mongolia, it is complicated, because the country is complicated, it is sandwiched between china and russia, its sovereignty generally appeared in the 20th century thanks to the soviet union and china, that is, there are many of their own features, which of course putin used, but not in order to have any preferences from mongolia, but in order to humiliate the west, so i think that this is what we need to work on with our partners, so it is about the reaction of the international criminal court in order to... protect his reputation, because otherwise there really are a lot of questions, why is all this necessary then. thank you, mr. andriy, mr. rostislav, in short, what should ukraine do in the current situation? well, look, in short, i am very interested in what kind of arguments ukraine could apply to mongolia, if even western

commentators write that mongolia's position is determined by its dependence on russian energy carriers, so ukraine should now not just triple, i don't know. efforts to increase sanctions pressure both directly on russia and so-called secondary sanctions on those who help russia. these, it seems to me, would be good levers that would destroy these dependencies and would narrow russia's opportunities for such wide-ranging slaps, which he now distributes to western institutions. and what putin is doing, i.e., well, obviously, mongolia is not the last country where he will demonstrate the ... in his opinion , the worthlessness of the icc warrant? well, yes , it is about this, so it is necessary to find, you know, not necessarily, it should be such a direct linear countermeasure, because i think it has already been listed in detail, but the strengthening of sanctions in those

areas that would be painful for russia, this, i think, would reduce their desire to continue the war of aggression, and would reduce their desire to humiliate the west to its of the institute thank you, mr. rostislav, rostislav pavlenko, oleksandr mereshko and andriy asochuk were guests of our program today. gentlemen, thank you for participating in the program. let me remind you that throughout our broadcast we are conducting a survey and asking you about whether you support renaming the penny to shah, this is an initiative of the national bank of ukraine, they want to call the small penny currently in circulation shag. so, 50 for 50, that is, 50... percent of our tv viewers think that it is necessary to change the name, and 50 - no, on youtube it is also 50 by 50%, that is, the ukrainians have not yet decided, so some have decided, some have not decided, whether it is necessary to rename the penny to chess, but

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in cooperation with eu sisters. greetings, this is svoboda live on radio svoboda. we have already come to the snake itself, the following shots may shock you. live news from the scene. drone attacks, kamikaze. political analytics. objectively and meaningfully. there is no political season. live interviews, reports from the hottest points of the front. svobodalai, frankly and impartially. you draw your own conclusions. mr. taras, thank you very much, first of all, for agreeing to the interview. well, you are probably already used to everyone calling you a legend, and i congratulate myself. the fact that i finally met a legend, i am your supporter for a very long time, but we are talking about the days

of independence of ukraine, and when they talk about the day of independence, they always touch more on the past, it is history, achievements, heroes, but i would still like to of the future, i was literally talking to my friend yesterday, this a very young guy and told me that i would talk to you, it was such a violent reaction, he said that he was a terrible fan, he began to write to his friend that... mrs. natalya will meet with taras petrinenko, they listen to your music, path patterns, very small, they are very small, by the way, to be honest, i was impressed, eh, and he says: please ask mr. taras, i wrote down why you are so cool, here he is begged to ask, and so i pick up on that thought and ask you why you are so cool, but seriously, what do you think shaped you, roots, mom? dad, the environment, maybe some authority, environment, whatever

you can say about it, why are you so cool, it is better to be cool than not cool, i am very grateful for such an assessment, and what shaped me, and my mother, and dad, and the environment, and well , a lot of things, maybe my love for nature, for everything, for everything like that, something that never... disappoints, and well, as a result, i became who i became, but i already happened , well, many years ago, i'm already slowly moving towards some kind of epilogue, and yes, in fact, all my life i tried to choose the right path, you can say so, every person always faces a choice at this or that crossroads, and of course i was sometimes wrong or... sometimes i probably did some shameful things, i already i won’t remember her, i don’t want to remember them, and like every

person, she can’t be absolutely correct, well, i too, there are probably some skeletons in my closet, but with all this i tried to be frank, honest and not calamity to none of the surrounding people and carry, say, from the stage or in one's works, something like what could benefit people is the main thing. not something that they will jump to and, let's say, just have fun, because there are other artists for that, for some reason i have all my life, starting from... well, actually from a young age i tried to do something that would leave a mark on me, while we love the messenger, and not soon the change, it's god, our hearts

have parted. our hearts, our light has not faded, for our youth is with us, and where the work is more complicated, someone will say, people will say.

ukraine, we've done business, then, take your heart son, i bet, ami then, you were so young, didn't you already think at a young age that i, who i should leave behind, maybe after all. someone influenced you in this sense, well, the beatles, if they gave birth to me, i should be, i was either a pianist or a conductor in my time, well, classical music, academic music, but the beatles knocked me off that peg, and i decided , that i will do exactly this, because it is a very democratic form of art, a song or

such works, this actually applies to that poetry as well, it is laid down in a song, because for some reason we have now few people pay attention to what word is embedded in each song, listen more, or even don't listen, and if they react, it's all your lyrics, they were honestly assigned to me, they were discoveries for me, because always taras petrenko - it's music, and the fact that these are your texts, i just like it very positively, i've been looking for some poets for some time who could give me some. some texts from which i could do something, what i like, what i like, and it turned out that there are such poets, well, around i don’t, at least i don’t, and i had to try to do it myself, at first there was something very, as they say, clumsy there, but gradually it somehow turned out that when there is a person who has critical

thinking and is critical of his creativity, then sooner or later something can come out of that, you mentioned bitus, it's very interesting, i... sings in an amateur baroque choir and we recently had a concert and we were there, well , obviously, in the arrangement, we performed a choir, a large choir of 40 people, we performed beatles songs, and at first we were very worried about how it is it turned out well and i thought what a great idea it would be for taras petrynenko to perform with the choir, you know, these kinds of collaborations are very interesting, well, you have to bet on it, so here with the choir, we did some such a special one. see more. i wanted to you know what to ask i always ask almost everyone this, and i ask myself this on august 24, what is personal independence for you and what is the independence of the country for you, what would you sacrifice for the sake of your independence in order to keep it, what sacrifices could you make, and i'm spying here, yes, and in order not to lose the independence of the country as well, what are you ready for,

well, honestly, personal independence and the independence of the country, what does this mean for you? in fact, these are identical things, because my independence probably directly depends on how independent my country is, but there is not much independence, i apologize, because here independence in itself is a good word, but you should also pay attention to the fact that , what is happening in this country, which calls itself independence, independent, because, let's say, now we know who our main enemy is. on our borders, what a war is going on now, but from time to time, and practically every day , there are internal enemies who are here in our country and... something must be done about it, i guess, because independence is a good thing thing, but someone is taking advantage of the fact that there is a democracy and even with that church, well

, the moscow patriarchate, you understand how many people tried to get out of this in one way or another, so as not to participate in banning it, well, you can’t see that this the church is simply destroying our country and, accordingly , our independence, and unfortunately, many people continue, independence is a process, it is not what happened there on the 24th. in 1991, it is necessary to confirm all the time that we are independent, that we are moving in the right direction, and this is for today, confirmed by our soldiers who die every day for this independence and for this country, you understand, and at this time , i don’t even know how to say animals, well, i don’t want to offend animals, those who are inside the country are trying to destroy it in such a way others in a way, this is me, this confuses me a lot, well, we are talking about the war, how can we not talk about it now, you know, i was terribly impressed by this fact, but

i look at the date, on june 2, in kyiv, they said goodbye to paramedic iryna tsyboh, who died in russia , and i was terribly impressed, it turns out that she had, this is a battalion of hospitalists, she had a dying letter, a dying will, in which she literally asked, i want everyone to sing in farewell, to teach. at least ten meaningful songs and sang them in unison to comfort their relatives singing, and she asked for 10 songs to perform on the maidan, when she dies, and she, unfortunately, died, and among 10 of these songs, and among ten of these songs, two of yours, she asked ukraine, obviously, and spring to go, this mine too, this is one of my first songs, and this is my favorite song, to be honest, i believe that bad weather and bad luck will die. your quiet sadness will fly away, i want to

see in your eyes again, the sweetness of the sun and the sky will rule. and we have already talked a little about it, what is the meaning of this war for you, but i think that it's normal for every ukrainian, it's clear, what's known, but here are these songs that were already there, and this iryna has already died, she asked everyone to sing, and this phrase really struck me, so that they learn ten meaningful songs, or there will be new songs by taras petrinenko, which we will sing alive and well at the meetings after the victory. you see, i can't wait to do something for some historical moment, to immediately respond and write something, because my

colleagues do a lot of it, and to be honest, it's a conjecture for me, but we're not going to take a mekture, something is happening in the soul, what is it for, i can't say when it will appear, i hope that something will appear, something really worthwhile, here, how will it be... it will be, when it will be, i want that , for something to still work out for me, these things need to be looked at a little from a certain distance, you understand, but the desire is there, well , of course, of course, i am still, i am still here with you, thank god, and my god, young man man, what can i say, look, there is another topic, i would like to talk to you, a lot of ukrainians have gone abroad and it is no secret that a lot of them are planning to go there to stay, and what do you think, should we? to fight for every ukrainian so that he returns, or to allow people to make their choice in peace, and how can we fight for them on our human level, you know, it is not a simple question, i

will say right away, because each person chooses his own path, where should she live, someone said, you have to live where you are better, well, if you are better, if you have nothing inside, it does not hurt when you see what is happening to us here. well that's your choice but at the end of the day a lot of people i know what are there, let's say, my godmother with two children, who is also staying now, vitaliy, they are already coming back, well done, here is such an example, i think that he is not alone, people do not find themselves there, it is different, europe too it's not an easy thing, just like america is not an easy thing, well, you have to search where your roots are, as they said, where, where your umbilical cord is behind... buried, so, of course, i would advise you to return here and try, no matter what it is difficult, it will be difficult even after the war, because during the war these are the same problems, after the war

there will be them... there will be less, this is 100%. i just, the only thing i can, i can call these people, just come back, because without them, well, there will be someone, someone else, because they are foreign people, i don't know, there are vietnamese, it's very important, i i am very grateful to you, taras and i urge all ukrainians to return to ukraine, yes, because i have nothing against the vietnamese and koreans, let's say, but i have against the fact that ukraine will simply no longer be ukraine, but... some kind of vinaigrette so international, it's a shame, the main thing for us is to wait for the victory, which of course is special, well, of course it will be, i have absolutely all such faith on some such level, well , such, i don't know, intuitive, our souls sing poems, but the ray of faith is not extinguished,

god. save ukraine! lord, remember us, sinful children, children, not strangers, our father, hear their sincere voice, god, save ukraine! lord, tell me, please, well, now of course, well , the media has always been of great importance, and of course, the rules of good tone say that the media should always be scolded, by the way, everyone always scolds weather forecasters and tells jokes about them, by the way and artists as well, but what is the point of arguing with the media,

we understand, but what would you praise the media for? now, especially during the war, well, it depends on which media, because if we are talking about that one marathon, well, i don’t watch it at all, because everything there is somehow banal, everything is simplified, and you can feel this direction in which our entire population is trying to keep , and those media that try to dig a little deeper, somehow consider the nature of these things that happen to us. well, it is sometimes interesting and again depends on which one a journalist takes up this case, but you watch, sometimes i watch, of course, of course, because it seems to me that you are such a person that you hardly watch tv, no, sometimes i watch, sometimes i watch, i can't say that it is something permanent admiration, but first of all, now you need to be aware of events and what is being done on our fronts, and what is being done in general and in the middle of the country, you just need to come across those people you trust.

those who tell you the truth from the screen, and not some clichés that we have, let's say, accept what is behind them, they are someone they are clearly trying to push someone somewhere or to extinguish someone, well, this is unpleasant, but tell me , please, what is the role of an artist in your opinion in the formation of civic consciousness and taste, because, well, consciousness is still such a thing here, and dad from... can very well help , namely taste, musical taste, some kind of formation of such a general culture, well, there were such cases, for example, when people are young, they absolutely did not know, for example, a very famous artist, a very famous writer, they did not hear about them, it is incredibly simple, or an artist should help educate not only young people, but society in general, an artist

cannot and should not be, cannot... be an educator in such a direct sense of the word, but an artist must have some opportunities to influence people, i am very good i know what it is like when you are completely cut off from oxygen and you are as if you are not there, how many people were told that petrynenko moved to canada, he lives in canada, now he is not in ukraine, someone says that he tied his career, i drove it is necessary to go to america and europe more than once i went everywhere, but i always came back, and i guess it was, i don’t know, somehow nice to understand that you can move me, or to lift someone up, or just push me away, because i, i am an independent person, i try not to obey anyone, and in fact that is why i have never been a member of any party.