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verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. in the next two hours we will talk about putin's terror, missile terror, which has been used too actively in the last few weeks, sumy, kharkiv, poltava, lviv, kyiv. putin is trying to destroy all of ukraine. how to confront putin, what to do with it and most importantly. but in what way, we will talk about it all with our experts. in our program, during the first part , there will be sbu colonel, people's deputy of ukraine roman kostenko, aviation expert valery romanenko and political expert ihor reiterovych. in the second part of our program, which starts in an hour, we will have political experts serhii taran and viktor boberenko. however, before starting.

our long conversation, i suggest you watch the video of another terrorist act of the russian federation, seven people died, including three children and more than 60 others were injured as a result of the russian terrorist attack on lviv. this morning , the enemy hit the center with dagger missiles. let's see. a shock wave, as if on his hands, he jumps out, runs away, a pile of dust, just like that , glass flies in front of my nose through the tulle, seeped through, thank god only here, because you i don't know what left them without eyes.

based on preliminary information, he, being with them on the stairwell, simply went to get water in the apartment, and this saved him. eternal memory of the dead. condolences to relatives and friends and death to the russian occupiers. friends, throughout our broadcast, we also work on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are there watching us live, please subscribe to our pages and also take part in our survey. today we ask you about the following: do you consider personnel renewal timely ukrainian government? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, your own comment or separate opinion. you can write

under this video on youtube, if you are watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote by numbers if you think it is timely to update the personnel of the ukrainian government. 0800-21381, no, 0800-211-382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. i would like to introduce our first guest today, he is a security colonel of ukraine, people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the parliamentary committee on national security, defense and intelligence, roman kostenko. mr. colonel, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening mr. colonel, well, let's start with russia's missile terror, massive strikes over the past few weeks, kharkiv, sumy, lviv, dnipro, poltava, what goals does putin pursue by shelling civilian cities, and

most importantly, what should be our response to such shelling? well, first of all, we understand that we are for... giving putin blows on them military facilities, and this, on the one hand , may be his answer to the fact that he did not expect that ukraine would destroy its oil refining industry, that it would destroy its military facilities, airfields, and he is trying to intimidate ukraine in this way, to hit civilian objects, trying to influence society and intimidating. society, they have been doing this since the beginning of the war, i don't think anything has changed today, i join your sympathies, but we see that russia is from the very beginning, it was not particularly picky in its targets and just hit populated places,

cities where there are many civilian objects, then we will tell when talking about the fact that somewhere in a residential building there were our military or something else. therefore, this is their tactic, which they used from the very beginning, this includes the tactics of nazi germany, we remember that they bombed london in order to break the will of the british during the second world war, putin did not invent anything new, he follows , let's say, in the footsteps of his predecessors, well, i already mentioned this tragedy in lviv this morning, as the mayor of lviv, andriy sadovyi, says , several dozen residential and other buildings in the city center have been damaged, and i have already said about the dead and wounded, let's hear what sadovyi says about the destruction in lviv?

there are a lot of expressions, these are more than 50 buildings, a large part is the heart of our city, a historical heritage, we already understand for sure that six buildings... people are being resettled, two schools will not work today, many witons flew away, two medical areas were also affected objects of the state emergency service are working mr. colonel, judging by the destruction and the strikes that are taking place in the west of our country, there is obviously not enough air defense, air defense systems, and the poles reported today that they were raising a fighter jet. at the moment when the rockets were flying to the west of ukraine, obviously they were afraid that these rockets would cross the polish- ukrainian border, but they did nothing, did not use their weapons against these rockets. ukrainians ask a completely logical question: why our neighbors, the poles, do not

use weapons, if they have them for to shoot down these missiles. purely, a technical question, can... poland use these weapons and do they have the capabilities, do they see these missiles and can they shoot them down in the airspace of ukraine? well, if we talk about us in the first place, that we really do not have enough air defense to close all our facilities and all our cities, all our civil infrastructure facilities, all our military facilities, this is a fact, there is a lot of criticism often, and why is there no air defense, why is there, it is simply not there physically. opa, we remember that they give us one patriot battery there, one patriot battery there, from our partners, well, let's say, in europe, there are hundreds of these patriots, the complexes that are in them, and could they help us, of course yes, there is the range of the patriot's impression 150 km, if

they even stood on the border with ukraine , poland, and if our partners for... you, let's say, raised the position that everything approaching there is 100-200 km, because it's a small time, you can not to understand that it flies to poland, or it flies to lviv, or to some... western city, if they gave an ultimatum that everything that approaches 200 km from the border with poland there, it will go astray on the territory of ukraine, i believe that this would be the right decision, it would be an adult concession of the neighboring country, a brotherly concession, but unfortunately such decisions are not made, do they see, of course they see, they have the means to see, i think, all attacks, all missiles on and generally aircraft on the territory of ukraine, now it allows. make a radar system, we too we see what we have, they see what they have, i

think they even see how planes take off on the territory of the russian federation, because they are in nato, the system works there, so they could safely do it even from their territory, covering, simply declaring that we will shoot down everything, either what flies towards us, or what flies at civilian objects at peaceful cities of ukraine, unfortunately, such a decision has not yet been made, i don't know. why is this, well , for me it's cowardice and not, let's put it this way, not the desire to make serious decisions, yes, here we are we will give you some kind of weapon, some kind of minimal one, you decide for yourself, but we say to the whole world that ukraine is fighting for democracy, ukraine is the shield of europe, but we will keep these weapons for ourselves, so for me this is cowardice and not , not the ability to make serious decisions during such a bloody war, when your neighbors are covered in blood, and... not bleeding. yesterday, colonel, the russians struck

poltava with two ballistic missiles at the communications institute, and at this moment it is known that the number of dead as a result of this strike increased to 53 people, about 300 injured, there may still be people under the rubble, the state emergency service reports, but yesterday, people's deputy of ukraine mariyana bezugla said that this strike took place when the military was lining up, dmytro lazutkin, spokesman for the ministry of defense, denies this information, and says that there was no line-up, the usual educational process continued. let's listen to what lazutkin said on the air of the one news telethon. according to our data, an educational process was taking place at the institution, at 9:08 an alarm sounded, everyone went down to the shelter. a few minutes after... the announcement of the alarm, explosions rang out. the details of the tragedy in poltava are being studied. it is now

known that no shocks or other measures were taken at the time of the impact. the minister of defense of ukraine instructed the chief inspectorate of the ministry of defense to urgently conduct an official investigation. mr. colonel, obviously the official investigation will give exact answers to what happened in poltava. it is clear that the communications institute was obviously one of the goals of the russian federation even before. in principle, like any military university in our country, or any military unit, but in this situation we again see how in the information space they begin to outline information that there was a line-up, that someone there is to blame for this, and in advance of of the ministry of defense and the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, this information is disseminated both in our mass media and in russian media. mariana bezugla is the author of this next sketch, and today the verkhovna rada could not

dismiss her from the post of deputy head of the parliamentary committee on of national security and defense, can you say why this is happening, why one person can afford more than all the military combined? well, if we talk about the institute, then the poltava institute, i also have at the moment... information that there were no queues there, so what was written and the information immediately went for mine, what they are telling me now is lies, and this is not the first lie we've heard trying to discredit, which is being used to try to discredit the army, that's a problem, and there was an educational process going on, but in i have a different question, why was the educational process going on there, we understand that this is a military institute, which is a military target, there are cadets who study in military affairs, it is a target for the russian federation,

therefore, of course, an investigation must be conducted and generally understand what the cadets did there during the war, when the russians could strike, i know other educational institutions, military, academies, where, in principle, the cadets do not study, they are scattered around. there in small groups for safer learning, so of course you need to figure it out, and by the way, this committee is also under control in the near future, i won't say quite near. so we will deserve from this from this to this in this case we will be there for everyone involved there will be people in charge of the general staff from the ministry of defense will report what the measures were, what happened there specifically what they were, why the cadets studied there and who there

gave which teams, also the committee took it under control so that such cases more about her... it didn’t matter that regarding a colleague, well , look, it’s not the first time, but regarding the fact that they voted, they didn’t vote, she is now the deputy head of the committee, not according to the servant of the people quota, although she herself has already left from the servants of the people faction, but at the same time, the leaders of the servants of the people faction instruct the deputies not to vote for its removal, it is their internal, let's say, the question when the servant of the people faction does not vote for or supports that there there is a person on the committee who is not a member of their faction, although i know that many people came to our committee , deputies from the servant of the people, who want to join the committee and work specifically for the leaders of the servant of the people faction, and why

is there a person who is not a member of our faction, and we are members of the faction that work there. truth be told, we vote there, when they say, we vote there as a faction, but we cannot get into the committee, because yes, so i think the answer here is obvious, that they do not vote, by the way, the factions did not vote today, those the opzh has passed, just like them and they didn't vote for it, and the servant of the people, and that's why there weren't enough votes, that's why it's purely their internal issues, let them sort them out, let them sort them out, we have to understand one thing, that the discrediting of... the defense forces and the armed forces during war is a crime. let's talk about the short results, well, for almost a month, the ukrainian army has been in the kurdistan region, and for a month the counteroffensive of the armed forces of ukraine in the kurdish direction has been going on. what do you say about the results of the first month of the offensive and the prospects

for maintaining this bridgehead and expanding it? well, if we talk about the results, we have to consider the kurdish offensive in particular, not as just a kurdish offensive, within the framework of the entire ukrainian-russian front, then what we see, of course, the pace has decreased, but the very beginning of the operation had a big effect, it had a great military effect, international effect, domestic political effect, it had, let's say, for our military, it was of great importance, so the question has passed. initiatives, so i believe that the first month of the operation went well, now the issue is more difficult, the enemy is starting to tighten reserves, the main thing is that we also learned that the enemy is also not doing well with personnel, because he does not have good prepared fast reserves, he has been trying to withdraw something for more than a month not in order to squeeze our defense forces out of the territory of the russian federation, but

so that although to stop their advance on the territory of the russian federation, but at the same time. we see that they are her main reserves, the main forces are not transferred from the direction of pokrovsk, which is threatening to us, they are secondary, that is, the transfer is still happening evenly, they are transferred from different other secondary directions, but once again they weaken those directions and i think that the effect of this operation ahead, and what the main goals are, i think we will see, will depend on our reserves. from what our general staff is planning, but in general, i think, for this month, the operation is quite successfully carried out, and the goals that were set, they, well, they are not what have been fulfilled, but they are the armed forces, the defense forces are moving towards of these forces, which were supplied. in an interview with nbc news, mr.

colonel, president zelensky said that russia transferred 60,000 military docks from ukraine. region, although the russian grouping of troops, as you said, which is pressing on pokrovsk, has not undergone a significant reduction, if you briefly describe the situation that is currently developing in the pokrovsk direction, what can you say about the prospects of the russian offensive on the main cities of eastern and central ukraine. well, we see that the main direction of the blow. they have a pokrovsky agglomeration there, they continue to move there, according to my information, there as of yesterday, i haven't updated yet, it's there... their pace were no longer so fast, they are lost by our defense forces, but the enemy is still advancing little by little, there is already less than 10 km to pokrovsk itself, the enemy is suffering serious

losses, we are trying to adjust the control there, because it is very important there direction, because the interaction is often lost, is lost during combat, and because of this there is no stability especially in close combat, when it comes to small arms, often ... the enemy prevails, and often the enemy takes advantage of this, so the task of course commanders to motivate, and i said that a strong army begins with the tsk, but when the tsk has to call up people whom we can train in the future, we can motivate them, we can be sure that they will be called to the tsk in order to people could be trained, i have already said more than once, when i served in the special forces, we had an instructor... management, and there they had such a rule written on the wall, if there was a mistake at the selection stage, then the further training of the cadet

has no no sense, and we have too to understand that a good soldier is when you selected a good soldier who is healthy, who has some correct profession, who can perform the task, who is motivated, trained him necessarily, not just two weeks on the training ground, but if he is there a month, and then... two - this is when it comes to getting a specialty, he must be prepared, because the problem is that when you spent a month with a machine gun somewhere on a training ground and everyone thinks that you are already trained, you can perform complex tasks, unfortunately, mobilized, especially ill-prepared people cannot carry out serious tasks, such as offensives, ambushes, raids and all that, they at most stand there on the defensive, then they do not flow, so training is very important, and now we in the pokrovsk direction, including, see... the fact that we have problems, and also, let's say, we have certain different problems, but training, including the fact that

we have poorly trained personnel who do not hold close combat, we have brigades that are a model, there is also the third azov assault unit, there, well, the 47th can be there, and there are brigades, which practically do not engage in close combat and leave positions, this is a problem, i would say, starting with tsk, then training. centers, then commanders, and they need to be resolved, and it is necessary to draw conclusions from this that an untrained soldier will not be of any use on the battlefield. thank you, colonel, for the conversation, it was roman kostenko, colonel of the security service of ukraine, people's deputy of ukraine. friends, we continue our work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our platforms on youtube and facebook for those who are watching us live there right now, please. subscribe to our pages, like this video, and vote in our poll, it sounds like this today: do you consider it timely to renew the personnel of the ukrainian

government? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have a separate opinion, please leave it in the comments under the video. if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote by numbers if you think it is appropriate and timely to update the personnel of the ukrainian government (0800-211-381, no 0800). 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we will be in touch with valery romanenko, aviation expert, leading researcher of the state aviation museum. mr. valery, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening, thank you for the invitation. mr. valery, let's talk about the nature of the latest massive missile strikes on ukraine. the enemy uses combos and combos of how he attacks, cities, mainly civilian cities, eh, in

your opinion, how does this period of missile terror and the use of missiles and drones differ from the previous one, or is there any difference in it, well, i don’t see a fundamental difference... but yes it is obvious to the naked eye, well, let's put it this way, i have told about it many times, that the russians will focus more and more on ballistics, that is, they clearly know that we do not have enough anti-aircraft missile systems capable of destroying ballistic missiles, shooting down them, that's why they are, let's say yes, reduce the number of conventional cruise missiles. which in general sometimes go astray by 100%, and at least 80% go astray there, so the shaheds are also destroyed and destroyed

quite cheaply. but to destroy ballistic missiles you need anti-ballistic complexes, well, anti-aircraft missile complexes with missiles are capable of shooting down ballistic missiles with a direct hit (hit to kill is the name of this method, when a missile, a small anti-missile hits a ballistic missile that flies almost vertically on the terminal segment of the flight, here it is not just knocking her down, but she initiates its explosion. of the combat unit in the air, because otherwise there is no point in shooting it down, it still falls almost vertically. so today we have only five such complexes. four american patriots and pte. ot. therefore, the enemy is taking advantage of the moment. it was announced that we would receive at least half a dozen more complexes, but we have not received them yet. and the enemy is taking advantage of the moment that we are still vulnerable in this regard, and therefore

as much as possible. often uses ballistics even on the verge of exhausting its ballistic missile stockpile. today is poland's turn stated that it was a very tense night for their air defense, and there they raised aviation in the sky, but only to observe the russian attack of russia on ukraine, writes the operational command of the armed forces of poland in the social network. and it was another night of increased readiness of polish and allied anti-aircraft systems and intensive work of servicemen, radio equipment, pilots, ground support personnel and soldiers on combat duty. we have repeatedly heard from the mouths of volodymyr zelenskyi and other ukrainians officials, that we would like the poles to help us shoot down both missiles and drones that

are flying towards the west of... the country, since our neighbors have such an opportunity, or do they have such an opportunity, precisely to shoot down these flying objects entities over the territory of western ukraine, and what does their participation or non-participation in such a thing depend on? there is an opportunity, there is no desire, here you can briefly answer this question, that is , the poles do not want to participate in this, although technically they... can do it, so why did they alternate, yes, alternated, alternated, alternated, alternated, that they alternated, that they watched porn movies, what is the difference for us, and what is the difference for them, they made the procedure of destroying a flying object so difficult for themselves that the pilot must see it, that he would not see it with radar , and to see with one's own eyes what the pilot will see at night, what a black shaheed in the black... darkness, yes, in what

way, this is such a definition, so to speak, of the conditions for shooting down an object, yes, it automatically cuts off all kinds of possibilities for of their physical destruction, that is, the poles either have to accept some adequate, reasonable solutions, yes, or to keep silent about the fact that they have a desire, even over their territory, over their own territory, to shoot down some russian means of defeat, sir. they don't want to blame the poles entirely, so they don't want to, and all their denials, what you have to look at, you have to shake hands, there are so many questions for our neighbors, well, actually , which ones for the north atlantic alliance, since you understand, i'm sorry that i i'll interrupt, the poles give more and more stupid answers to these questions, you understand, well, there is no such thing at all it was, even the nato watchmen did not

think of what the pilot needed. look at the object, maybe it was a lost ukrainian plane, which ukrainian plane is now flying and wandering in...