6% yes, 74% no. in 15 minutes we will return to the studio, we will have viktor boberenko and serhiy taran, political experts. more news from the bbc, stay with express. for the fourth day in a row, russia is shelling ukrainian towns. that night , lviv was under attack, rockets hit the city center, seven were killed and dozens were wounded. do the daily shellings indicate a new russian tactic, what is the purpose of this missile terror? find out in today's edition of the bbc. i am olga polomaryuk. in lviv, the demolition of rubble after the night shelling was completed. seven dead, from two of them are children, 64 people are injured. these are local government data. at first drones flew at the city, then rockets. the ministry of defense of russia

reported on the use of dagger missiles aimed at the objects of the defense industry, although the shots show destroyed residential buildings, schools and architectural monuments, this is the center of lviv, and here it is important, this strike may be the first airballistic strike on lviv daggers what is known about the consequences of the attack, let's see together. on the night of wednesday, september 4, lviv will wake up. from a series of loud explosions. russia hit missiles at the central part of the city, where only civil infrastructure and residential buildings are located. smoke rose above lviv. already in the morning it became known about the terrible consequences: more than 70 residential buildings were destroyed in the city center and near the station. it was not without victims and victims. 64 people were injured, seven people died, including and

a child, the mayor of lviv, andriy sadovy, announced the names of the dead, including a whole family. 43-year-old yevheniya bazilevich and her three daughters, seven-year-old emilia, 18-year-old daryna and 21-year-old yaryna's father is the only survivor. three children were from the same family. i know this family. yana worked with us in the office. next year , lviv will host the youth capital of europe international competition. and she was preparing a big conference, it's very difficult. we live on the first floor and it is destroyed, half of the apartment is partially missing, my husband was injured, he is in the hospital, but my son and i were saved, we were blocked, we could not leave. i fall, i have a shock, parallel to me, when it flies, then between the tulle there is a piece of glass between the eyes, i don’t know, i just somewhere... russian rockets damaged

the historic center of lviv, destroying more than 160 buildings. the city authorities of lviv reported damage to at least seven architectural monuments of local significance, which are under the protection of unesco. in particular, these are houses on konovaltsia and kuzuruza streets. it is previously known that lviv was attacked with daggers. before that, in the region, russia... stole shaheda. thursday, september 5 , has been declared a day of mourning in lviv. today is the day of mourning for the dead in poltava. the day before , russia struck a military institute communications and hospitals. 53 people died, almost three hundred were injured. rescue operations are still ongoing. bbc correspondent nikbyk went to poltava and this is what he saw there the day after the tragedy. as for what 's going on here. in poltava. it was this city

that suffered the most massive blow yesterday, which no ukrainian city has suffered this year. behind us, sorry, how people set up a tent, where firefighters, rescuers of other emergency services, and volunteers can come to refresh themselves. if we just listen for a second, there is silence. people make sense of what what happened. yesterday they fired at the military academy. this is a city that is too many kilometers from the front line, but it is obviously within russia's reach. missiles, president volodymyr zelensky announced a major investigation into what happened, but of course it hit these people very hard, first of all because of the number of dead, and secondly, it was a place where the smartest and best young people were trained, who are the closest for weeks or months would be, perhaps, on the front lines, or at the very center of efforts to protect the country from russian aggression. what conclusions can be drawn after these strikes, we talk together with the director of the independent platform. why is it

russia, what is the purpose of these strikes, in your opinion? and the goal is in principle clear, it is a terrorist terrorist tactic, that is, in principle, an influence on our psyche, it is more intimidation and, in principle, pressure on us so that we agree to surrender, in this way there is pressure on the civilian population, on society, in this way there is pressure on the political leadership, because it is military. the meaning of the attack on lviv, on the sumy state university, or in kharkiv, in the city center, in kyiv every day and night there are strikes, there is no military sense here, this is purely a terrorist-psychological weapon and tactic, or is this psychological weapon, can it work, do you think? i think no, we

have not passed the first year of this war, and all this is completely counterproductive, that is, it is really difficult, a difficult situation at the front, a rather difficult situation in the economy. and when still in the energy sector, by the way, with electricity, and here there are still constant air alarms, the loss of lives, it is really very difficult to endure, but ukrainians demonstrate that the more pressure you put on us, the more ready we are in principle to counter these threats, to counter russian aggression, this is true, yes, but you know, mykhailo, there is another opinion, for example, some experts and westerners, in that number, but they often compare that the current shelling is, as it were , russia's response to the suukur offensive. oblast, they say that this is retaliation, what do you think, are these events connected? psychologically, i think yes, that is, putin is taking revenge on ukraine for such a disgrace, because ukraine is the first time, probably in hundreds of years broke this imperial matrix and allowed

herself, dared to occupy russian lands, this is unusual, unusual for the empire, but i think that in reality, well, of course, that there is no military... military connection here, on the other hand, russia and this is how it kills us, russia already killed us every day even before the kurdish operation, so i do not think that ukraine should give up its military goals so that russia does not take revenge on us or kill ukrainians, russia will always kill us, therefore it is necessary to advance more and more, on the contrary, in kursk region and in other directions. well, mr. mykhailo, before we go any further, i suggest... listen to bbc security columnist frank garner's analysis of what these rocket attacks on ukrainian cities have proven? let's listen together. these latest airstrikes, which even hit a target in lviv, highlight the main problem that ukraine has, namely the lack of reliable air defense. the volume of russian shelling is so huge, and

these shellings themselves are so frequent, that ukraine is simply not able to intercept everything. here's why she insists on providing her with air defense equipment, such as catastrophic. attack on poltava, in which more than 50 people died. there were iskander ballistic missiles. the ukrainians had very little warning of the attack to be able to intercept them. the most recent strikes involved hypersonic dagger missiles, which are potentially capable of traveling at five times the speed of sound. this is the problem of air defense. therefore, ukraine is asking the west for permission to hit a target deep in russia's rear. why does she need such permission, because the west is not still gives long-range missiles. told ukraine, you can use them only on ukrainian or russian-occupied territory. ukraine, on the other hand , seeks to target russian air bases in order to reduce the possibility of such strikes. yes, that was the opinion of a bbc columnist. we return to our conversation. mykhailo, daggers and missiles are expensive, russia

does not use them as often as, for example, other missiles, right? in your opinion, what did the kremlin want to demonstrate with this attack on the center of lviv? and again... i 'll repeat myself, this is purely psychology, that is, here there are no military goals, there is a demonstration that they can kill civilians, and neither the west nor the ukrainian leadership can protect people, so we have to surrender, this is the message sent by the russian leadership, on the other hand, i want to say right away that really we need air defense, we've been talking about it since the first day of the large-scale, large-scale aggression of russia, in fact, we've been talking very much ... well before this date until february 22nd, we need air defense and first of all patriot, patriot systems that can shoot down ballistic missiles missiles, because other anti-aircraft defense can’t really deal with these problems, yes, just in continuation of your answer, how

can the west react, whether to wait for the delivery of pipo systems from the same patriots, or in general, what will be the reaction of the west in your opinion , the reaction of the west for... i think, well , i don't want to say this, but frankly i think that the reaction of the west will not be effective, because the biden administration for some reason does not transfer the patriot system to ukraine, even romania, which had... actually one the combat-ready patriot system transfers it to us, and the united states, which has dozens of such systems located on the continental united states, i honestly do not know what the importance of these systems is there, because there are no such threats, and it does not transmit to ukraine, so i think that in fact, before the elections, we are not we will get more systems, moreover, the united states for some reason does not allow us to strike on russian territory to destroy the same iskander installations. er, which can be in the range of the atakams, do not give us gsm missiles for the f-16, which

can also destroy the same iskanders and hit on enemy airfields, so unfortunately, based on the analysis, i have a negative forecast, of course, but in general, how to protect ukrainian cities and civilians, in particular in such a case, we have what we have, that is, we can at the expense of our ... production of our missiles to destroy what we can, due to the production and development of our drones, to destroy what we can, maybe we will have some deliveries from europe, but unfortunately, europe does not have such a number of patriot systems for to stop ballistics, it is the russians they know, that's why they strike precisely with ballistics unexpectedly, because when a cruise missile flies, it flies for about an hour until it reaches the territory of ukraine, we can prepare. leave, hide and so on, protect yourself in some way, ballistics fly two or three

minutes to kyiv or to another ukrainian city, and people simply do not have time physically to hide, and this is calculated, this terrorism, it will continue, so the only thing we can call on the united states to hand over the patriot to us, that way we can physically implement it somehow, another way it's not just, well, yesterday's incident in poltava, like this one with a ballistic strike... said, thank you, the director of the independent platform new geopolitics research network mykhailo samus was on our air. thank you thank you. yes, the most important question that arises after these tragic events is whether the event will allow ukraine to use long-range weapons on the territory of russia after all. will world leaders change their position. here's what brendan kearney, a retired us marine corps colonel, says about russian tactics, strikes for civilians. i don't see any changes in the military strategy. there are russians already for the past 2.5 years, the russians have been constantly shelling real

military targets, which is this educational institution in poltava, but at the same time they terrorized the ukrainian population with indiscriminate shelling of missiles and artillery throughout ukraine, on targets that have nothing to do with military unfortunately, the attack on an educational institution in poltava, which is located in an urban area, is a justified target under the laws of war, but unfortunately, the victims of this... another example many civilians and, of course, innocent military personnel who did nothing but study became victims of russian aggression. the latest attacks and the tragedy that happened last weekend, when a school, which was a completely civilian target, was hit by guided air bombs, gives zelensky every reason to ask for additional help and permission to use weapons against targets in russia, and the fact that the west, and especially washington sets the conditions for the use of weapons is... absolutely unthinkable, if we give weapons to zelensky, he will be able to use them correctly

to use within the parameters of that weapon and against targets that he deems justified, and right now the ukrainians are doing an amazing job compared to the russians of minimizing russian civilian casualties, which you can't say about the russians, so i hope the west gives everything he's asking for , including the permission to freely use weapons, well , on the night of september 4, russia launched a ... devastating attack on ukraine, including daggers that hit lviv, air defenses were working in the city, a call was heard, the sounds of explosions were heard, it is known about at least seven people died, 64 people were injured, and that's all we have time to talk about today, subscribe to our pages on social networks so as not to miss the most important news, traditionally we are on facebook, instagram, tiktok, on youtube you can watch our issue, if you miss it's on the air, comment, we're reading everything carefully, and we'll see you on the air tomorrow, as always, at

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of nuclear status. all arrangements. which operated after the signing of the budapest memorandum were destroyed, which now hinders ukraine launch their own nuclear program. the stream of resignations in the ukrainian government, another attempt to change the amount by changing the places of additions, isn't it time to change approaches to the formation of personnel selection principles. i remind you, friends, that we are working live on the tv channel. espresso, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. so, join our platforms and subscribe to our pages, like this video so that it can be promoted in youtube and facebook trends. well, take part in our traditional survey, a survey that we conduct throughout the broadcast. today it sounds like this: do you consider it timely to renew the personnel of the ukrainian

government? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no. if you have? personal opinion, please write it in the comments under this video. if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote for the numbers, if you think it's time to update the personnel of the ukrainian government 0800-211381, not 0800 211 382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program we will sum up the results of our voting today. therefore. viktor boberenko, an expert of the bureau of policy analysis, is on our air today. mr. viktor, i congratulate you. good health. thank you for joining the broadcast. and serhii taran, political scientist. mr. serhiy, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you. since, gentlemen, we are asking our viewers and tv viewers whether

they consider the personnel renewal of the ukrainian government timely. give in the format of blitz-survey, you will give. answer to the same question, let's start with mr. victor, sir viktor, we have some communication problems, obviously, please restore the connection with viktor boberenko, so that he can hear us, and we can hear him, the main thing, mr. viktor, can you hear us? mr. viktor, can you hear us? unfortunately, there is no connection. mr. serhiy, please speak to me, do you consider it timely to renew the personnel of the ukrainian government? well, the word renewal sounds nice, but until we understand the motivation behind these changes, and what is behind these changes in a practical sense, well, for example, what the newly appointed

officials will do differently compared to previous ones, until then it is very difficult. to evaluate something, because it's just to replace one with another without explaining why, for what, well, it's very difficult to even approach this from evaluation judgments, so i think that, after all, i hope that when appointing new officials will be voiced at least some programs, or at least those that will be released, will report at least a little about what has been done, and then we will have material that we can cling to and talk about something, and now there is not much information, just a word. by changing people, it is not yet update, it's just changing, it's just changing surnames, which are very difficult to evaluate on their own without specific cases behind these surnames. thank you, mr. serhiy, mr. viktor, do you... do you think it is timely to renew the personnel of the ukrainian government? i agree with serhii that, actually, the office

of the president, which manages everything, so it doesn't matter what the names are, if the ministries will be managed by, let's say, not ministers, but yermak's deputies, yes, well, de facto, but at the same time. i think that it is not timely, that is, they had to do it, well, it is clear that it is populist, well, the entire government is populist, and they had to do it in late autumn, say, somewhere at the end of november, when something went wrong, they would say, well, something is wrong, then we will fire these ministers, they were recruiting new ones, and now everything will go like this, now everything will be fine, but then it will be necessary , it is possible now... at the end of november, it will be necessary to say, well, how are all the populists doing to replace shmyhal, so simply, so that the governments, so that it cannot be zelensky

bad, he is a priori the greatest leader of our time, then it is necessary to change in ours brothel beds, well, something like that. thank you, mr. viktor, president zelensky confirmed that the latest personnel changes in the government are a previously announced reboot. the cabinet of ministers, but at the same time he did not give a direct answer regarding the further fate of the minister of foreign affairs dmytro kuleba, who also submitted a resignation letter, although the verkhovna rada of ukraine has not yet voted, let's hear what zelensky himself says. we need new energy today, and these steps are related, only they are related to the strengthening of our state in various directions. international politics, diplomacy, is no exception. today, i cannot predict what exactly this or that minister will do, there are answers to that, when they will be offered

certain positions, it is still too early to talk about it today. mr. serhiy, what changes from these rotations in the cabinet of ministers, when the state is run by five or six managers of the office of the president of ukraine. well, you understand that it is even difficult to evaluate these... if only because they are very different, each ministry is a separate world, just as each position is a separate the world, we cannot evaluate everything together, because it turns out to be some kind of average temperature in the hospital, but in order to evaluate each minister or each official, for this we need reports, for this we need programs announced by new officials, it seems to me , that this is an attempt, if only to show that something is changing in power. this is for the better, well, this government, the new government, it came with the slogan of total replacement of the old ones, but the new government has already become the old one, so

it is still necessary to change someone, because, well , this is its primary slogan, that's why they start to change their own, and from time to time they organize personnel purges, which have no logical motivation, maybe they are very good, or maybe they are bad, i don’t know, well, there is simply no information, and there is, i think, that... motivation behind this is the fact that such personnel purges will be positively perceived by people, voters, who will say, well, if we changed some people for others, now we will recover, that is, that is why this is the only motivation that can be, is it good , well, i don't know, again, i think it will be good when we have very clear explanations from the authorities that they do it, why they do it, when they will explain why this frame is going to... change to another one, what was wrong with the old one, what will be new with the new official, then it will be clearer, then it will really be better,

then it will be simple more responsibility for the actions of the authorities, and simply by replacing one surname with another, well, it may have a good effect on someone, because some will perceive it as an update, but it will only be a replacement of the surname, but the real update will be when the officials, coming to their positions, will clearly bear responsibility for their words, for what they... are doing, and then at the end of their term it will be possible to check whether they did something there or not, then it will really be better, and then it will really be possible to say that this was a qualitative renewal of power, well, but to understand by what marker to compare the work of this or that minister, there is no such marker, that is , there is no program of shmygal's government, he has been a minister and prime minister for four years. government of ukraine, the government did not submit a program, this program was not approved by the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and therefore this statement about some

new energy in that government, a program that does not exist, and it is not clear how, what goals it wants to achieve and why, and in what way, that is what people's deputy yaroslav zheleznyak is actually talking about, who says that the reasons for personnel changes in governments are quite transparent, and mostly they are political. let's listen to what zheliznyak said. there is khalushchenko, she wears a lot of black cash, of course you have to leave it. there is dmytro kuleba, for some reason people like him more than some officials from the president's office, and he has some rating, of course we need him to dismiss, well, how else will the office of the president exist after that, so the logic seems clear enough to me. mr. viktor, judging by these actions that zelenskyi's team is resorting to, can it be perceived as

channeling discontent. people by one or other actions or by one or another events in ukraine, that now we are changing some of the ministers, there will be new energy, everything will be new again, somewhere in the elevator, which was launched in the 19th year, a bunch of new managers who graduated from international universities, but now we will find someone here in the office of the president of sibi, we will find somewhere else among yermak's deputies, specialists, we will make them ministers, in november, as you say, we will change the prime minister and generally make andriy yermak the prime minister, and it will be called powerful new energy, yes, i say once again that they did it out of time, that is, there is discontent, yes, there is no need for

zelensky's ratings to fall. eh, they need to be restrained somehow, and therefore it is necessary, if discontent were to be channeled, everything is correct, a political-technological clear move, ancient, not us it was invented there, that is, it is always done there, they are transferred there, they are looking for a shooter, so that the goat will fall on him there, so that everything was not right, everything was wrong, and now everything will be right, eh, and from the point of view this, that east is unsuccessful, premature, premature, so... they made the start, yes, and on the other hand, i agree with the same railroad that yes, there is someone useful, he satisfies the office of the president, so we do not jerk him, yes, we want to jerk someone, not only that, we see that a frond has started in the ear, yes, what did we stop at the kuleba, there there were not enough votes for vereshchukka, there for

kuleba, they were predicted there. that now there will not be enough votes, and therefore we need, yes, we need to do additional work, that today showed us that the green government does not, not even fully control the parliament, and that we still need to understand in this sense that we are facing a situation, when they don't explain not only to us, well, okay, i won't explain to us. well, who are we ? there are some experts , some scientists, some, well, even just people, yes, like, well, who is talking about people, why should they explain something like explaining something to society, let society guess for itself, or there is such a thing, or even if there is an explanation, it will be false, yes, we still haven't explained why we were shot for something, we know because he poked

zelensky in the eyes, what should be done? which is not necessary, and such a thing is not forgiven, the greatest leader of our time, here is some industrious person, he blames something, but it was not explained, guess for yourself, but the worst thing is that they do not explain to the servants of the people, and they have 130-150 servants who vote just like that, because they are voting, because yes, yes, damn, that's how it's supposed to be, that's how they explained to arahamia, they really told him the truth, yes, but why explain to the rest? and now these good people are trying to tell us all something that some kind of new energy is needed , which passionarians are new there or something more passionate, what did the president have in mind, he generally always speaks in gibberish and in riddles, and because if he talks about passionarians there, it's like... there is a popular

ukrainian proverb, worse.