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ministers changed, and then a joke was born, they say, don't go for a walk in the government quarter, because they are looking for ministers there, they can't do it on purpose appoint you too, it seems that this joke is relevant again today, my name is vlasta lazur, this is svoboda live. today, the verkhovna rada was supposed to dismiss as many as six ministers, but sent only four, there were not enough votes. at first, as a warm-up, the deputies tried to dismiss the head of the derzhmaina fund vitaliy. the blacksmith immediately failed, no decision was made. oleksandr kamyshyn, minister of strategic industries, was second in line. there were enough votes for his resignation. according to liga publication sources. reed may appoint rostislav shurma, the deputy head of the president's office, who was fired by zelensky the night before. oleksandr kamyshyn is one of the few ministers who before his resignation came to the verkhovna rada and reported to the deputies about the work done. and that's normal. because it is

the deputies who hire the ministers, but the minister's report before his resignation in this verkhovna rada, the rarity of the opposition deputies, the absence of government officials in the session hall today was quite infuriating. agenda: dismissal of kovel, dismissal vereshchuk, dismissal of stefanishyna, dismissal of sagittarius, dismissal of malyuska, dismissal of kuleba, dismissal of kamyshin. how many ministers did i name? one present, one present. and what we are discussing now. procedural, let's call, let's talk, let's finally, institutionally , the parliament will stop raping, maybe finally we will turn to the conciliation council , the year is 2020, the registered draft law 3195, let's finally institutionally make it so that ministers are not in the parliament during dismissals when they are asked, not when called upon, no when they light a bonfire and dance with tambourines, and as a demand and... constitutional, because these

are employees, they receive taxpayer funds, they work in our country for our country, where they are, what results we are talking about, that is why there was no 226 and it will not be, well, having dismissed oleksandr kamyshin, the deputies started voting for the resignation of iryna vereshchuk, the vice-prime minister for the reintegration of temporarily occupied territories, failure, there were not enough votes, after that they dismissed olga stefanishyna, the vice-premier yerku european euro-atlantic integration. stefanishyna was not in the parliament, as was the report of her work. very european, noted nardepka from the opposition iryna gerashchenko. well, according to a number of ukrainian media, stefanyshyn is getting promoted. she will continue to deal with european integration, but will additionally receive the position of minister of justice, that is, she will take the place of denys malyusk, who has also been dismissed now. by the way, malyuska, against the background of other ministers , held his post with experience for 5 years, he was also a deputy in the parliament today.

mostly from the monomajority, him applauded, then why are they fired, asked rhetorically the people's deputy from the opposition yaroslav zheliznyak, who actually published a video with applause, maybe so for now... we show you this video with applause. and besides, today the verkhovna rada dismissed ruslan strilets from the position of minister of the environment and was supposed to fire minister of foreign affairs dmytro kuleba. his resignation came last morning, but something went wrong. unexpectedly, before the vote for the resignation of the kuleba, vice-speaker oleksandr kornienko announced a break without explanation of the reason. laughter rang out in the session hall. thank you denis. the list of issues that was pre-agreed by the conciliation council has been provided to you, gentlemen, excuse me, consideration of the agenda item for today has been completed, thank you all for your fruitful work, i announce a break in our plenary session, the time and place of its continuation will be notified to you

in advance, in unity our strength, we continue to work for victory, glory to ukraine, it is expected that tomorrow should be the day of appointments, that is, for all vacant positions... new ones will be appointed ministers, some may simply change the cabinet in the government and go for a promotion, such as olga stefanishyna. so to some extent, this is not quite a reboot of the government, but rather a reshuffling in it, considering that, for example, prime minister denys shmyhal keeps his position. so here's what's interesting: energy minister herman galushchenko, in whose department there was a huge corruption scandal when the deputy minister was arrested for a $500,000 bribe, is not being fired this time. what is the point of such permutations, you ask? well, as said. the day before volodymyr zelenskyi autumn, they say, will be extremely important, so it is necessary to strengthen some directions in the government. we need new energy today, and these steps are related, only they are related to the strengthening of our state in various directions.

international politics and diplomacy are no exception. today, i cannot predict what this or that minister will do. answers to this, when they will be offered certain positions, it is too early to talk about it today, thank you, we need new energy today, - said the president, well, to what extent will these personnel changes guarantee this new energy and strengthening, we will continue to talk, people's deputies join our broadcast, this is vadym ivchenko, representative of the motherland and also yulia klymenko, representative of the voice faction in the parliament, my greetings to you, in i have one or two questions for you, why volodymyr. zelenskyi, let's be realistic, it was obviously volodymyr zelenskyi's decision, not, for example, denys shmyhal's. why did the president decide to rearrange personnel in the government, and precisely in such a configuration in which we see, julia, let's start with you. well, honestly, it's us, first of all, good evening, thank you, we're on

the air, honestly, for us, i think, for the opposition factions, it's a big mystery, because no one communicated with the factions, neither the dismissal nor the appointment. that is, we have no understanding of either the report of those ministers who left or will leave, or why they are being fired. first, secondly, of course, tomorrow will be the appointment day, but in order to appoint a minister, you have 20,226 votes. today, as you can see, for two the ministers did not even have the votes for dismissal, i am not saying anymore, tomorrow for the appointment, which is much more difficult, not dismissal. rokirovka is unclear, none. fresh blood does not appear there, let's put it bluntly, that is, these are the people, and they are simply changed in a circle, they go from one ministry to another, we do not see any new ideas, fresh and new people, we do not hear, it is not communicated, and unfortunately, in such a difficult time, which we are now in, entering

the autumn with collapsed energy, there are still such reshuffles, where in fact the cabinet ministers, if one more minister is removed. chair will cease to be legitimate, well, it will be semi-legitimate, there needs to be at least 12 ministers, which would be 11 ministers, 12 who would make decisions full-fledged ministers, not temporarily performing duties, this kind of decision-making is incomprehensible, and frankly , i think that m "to put it bluntly, it's not the right time, we 'll also say, they invited representatives of the servants of the people here, they refused, but explained it by the fact that they have a faction meeting scheduled for the evening, where volodymyr will obviously come. zelensky, it is possible to convince them to vote for this election, i will simply kill you, i think they themselves do not know why this is being done, i asked the servants of the people today, none of them could answer what the concept is of these rotations and changes. mr. vadym yevchenko, but yulia said that

this rotation is a mystery to her, maybe you understand what is happening, why exactly now and why exactly such a configuration, well, good evening to everyone, you know, well, i can tell a few... insiders, i i am sure that there are no appointments tomorrow will be, i'm sure that the president will say today that he's really looking for new blood, that he's really... looking for new people, new faces, i think that soon we saw new faces, and you can you invite me on the air again, you will see new people, new ministries, and united ministries and so on, are you joking about new faces, will they be really new ones, i just don't understand right now, i am, i am with you said insight, so you can trust me as i know a little bit about the processes, which are happening in this context , it seems to me that let's not discuss what is going on in telegram channels, if

there are no official names, ministers written there, and so on, and many ministers are not officially there, well, i'll give you an example, everyone is discussing the ministry of strategic affairs there industries are called by their last names, everyone is on telegram channels, but i will tell you honestly, the decision on the ministry of strategic industries has not been made, it has not been made, who will replace kamyshin, or what do you mean? absolutely, absolutely true, not accepted the decision, the second, the decision, for example, on the ministry of infrastructure, i tell you frankly, it has not been accepted, i tell you that there will be new faces in the ministry, completely new, and we will see with you what it can be, maybe there will be people from the parliament , there in other ministries, the motherland will not get a couple of government portfolios, i'm afraid to ask, but i dare to, no, look, right here the question is not in the motherland, i would like to say, i can't be responsible for the faction now. i must now talk about the fact that there should be new faces

involved in public administration, in pakhiv there are strong people who have proven themselves, who have an appropriate reputation, who have a reputation in the industry, who will have the support of the hall, who will have the support of the president, and who will have the support of practically the authorities and so on, i.e. well, their physical reputation, such people who are on four chairs, i mean on four... they stand tightly in the columns, they should be considered for certain positions, i am sure that exactly such a line is considered, just know, if they want to open up, they will attract new people, if they still want, let's say appoint their buttons, then they will appoint their buttons, let's see what happens next, today we have to discuss only the facts of the dismissal, but believe me, we will tell the ministries about many things, well i... named at least two, and still, for example, decisions have not been made, and i am sure that people are being sought, and

let's see what will be proposed, that is, there will be no vote tomorrow, but the following will be proposed, i think two weeks, there will be a discussion, key, you said people are being sought, in my opinion, people should be sought before the previous ones are released, here the previous ones have already been released, the next ones are only being sought, well, it's a bit strange, is n't it? no, it's not surprising. so there are, for example, two to three candidates for certain ministries, and now there is such a professional analysis, which of them is better, well, for example, there are exactly three or even four candidates for the ministry of strategic industries, it is discussed, discussed further, and how the system of military industry will move, in which direction, and what will happen to the relevant ones there by the supervisory boards, it is meant how they can add to our, let's say , partnership relations there with the united states. and with others, what is the ministry of happiness, or whatever they want to call it, unity and so

on, who can be there, there can be a diplomat, or some coordinator and so on, i just lead to the fact that, well, the work seems to me well, i'm just, well, not integrated into this work, but a few insiders, as i told you, i say that i'm sure that many candidates are being considered and i'm just sure that there will be noum and new faces in therefore chili insiders in my understanding is a surname. you didn't give any surname, so can you give one? well, look, when any surname is called now, this person will no longer be appointed, you must understand that, so i will not tell you the surnames, but i am sure that there will be new faces so that we do not say that there are all moving around on the chairs and so on, i am sure that the state as a state institution, well, the state institution , has to attract professional and strong people. and this is the task of any authority, whether it is one the president, is it another president, and i want it to be so, i have been in

the parliament for 12 years, i believe that we have many strong, professional people, not only within the parliament, but also outside , who can participate in the creation of a normal state management system and will bring many of their capabilities to the field where they will work in wartime, but actually now you mentioned that there are not a large number of ministers in the government, i don't know, your colleague iryna gerashchenko calculated, she says, that there are not 10 ministers out of 20 and that the government is actually not capable of action, we do not know how many will now go around and... look for new faces and then they will collect votes for them, we see that there is a great lack of votes, so this, if the government is actually incapacitated, do you share this opinion, julia and what does it mean, then? look, there is article 46 of the law on the cabinet of ministers of ukraine, which clearly states how voting is conducted, how decisions are made in the cabinet of ministers, and these decisions

provide that there must be a majority of the cabinet of ministers, the composition of the cabinet... of ministers, these are ministers, and not those who are tvo, acting temporarily, they have the right vote, never, acting acting have never voted for the minister on important decisions, and such as resolutions, orders, such as draft laws, i.e., while temporarily performing his duties, he cannot sign, for example, submit draft laws to the council, i.e., if even now, if i understand correctly, if now minus one minister will be fired, or he will be fired, then... the government is not competent, that is, he , look, he is most likely in violation all laws, requirements of the cabinet of ministers will be gathered, such decisions will be made, but you must understand that if the decision , to put it mildly, is not satisfactory, for example, regarding tariffs, then my colleague is sitting from his homeland, for which tariffs are there, there the main topic,

imagine that they will raise the tariffs and the faction and the motherland party will go to court and appeal it in the first... have the right to vote, it has always been you know, as a person who, with a short biography in the civil service , was in the position of deputy minister, i can tell you that this was always done very carefully under all prime ministers, even if you really wanted to fire someone... and they understood that the cabinet of ministers will be incompetent and will be semi-legitimate, they did not do this, so look, well, it is possible to fire everyone, and then someone has a one hundred percent guarantee that three or four additional ministers will be appointed and we will have a legitimate cabinet of ministers, in me, for example, no, yes, i don't believe in no

what new faces, because new faces don't buy titanic tickets, well, let's say pra... people, how professional, they understand what they're getting into, and, if, well, how much, if, well, in what time period they go, and under what , relatively speaking, uh, who is their boss, let's say this, i absolutely did not understand, please explain to me what happened today with the dismissal of dmytro kuleba, the president changed his mind, this kornienko began to cry out to the lord out of nowhere. canceled the meeting and announced break, what was planned, what happened and how this story can end, the minister of foreign affairs, dmytro kuleba, a key figure, as i understand it, the decision on his resignation was made yesterday under the cover of night, a statement was unexpectedly written this morning, already in the afternoon it looks like they changed their mind, didn't find a new face, or i

don't know what happened, come on, vadim, please explain to us, ah, well... i think that yulia, she will explain this story better, because at the end of the meeting i just didn't it was, i left in my own way when we fired the minister, and minister malyutka, that is, i was literally just a few votes away, but i must say that, for example, minister kulebi has, well, for example, the parliament has a question about why the ministers did not come and do not date the relevant committees. any professional person, he understands that parliament is a place that appoints ministers, and in fact a minister, he is accountable and he has to report to the appropriate committee and to parliament, and disrespect to parliament does not grace any person, any candidate, even if he resigns as a minister and so on, so i just want to establish the fact that

minister koleba, he never came to the parliament, he did not report to the relevant committee. and in fact he was not even ready to speak in the verkhovna rada, since i did not see him personally, so almost none of them came to you today except for kamyshin and malyusyka, as far as i understand, and this, and this is already a matter of respect for the verkhovna rada, and this is already a question for the chairman of the verkhovna rada or the presidium, they do not actually have to put it on the agenda in fact, there was no question except for kornienko, if they are already on a business trip , their official business trip, no one can forecast with you. for another two weeks, i could not imagine that there would be such a mass writing of resignation statements, the question is different here, that respect for the parliament begins with respect for oneself, if the parliament, the chairman of the parliament, then he sees that the ministers will not be able to meet, will not be able to come and so on, he is in favor of respecting each deputy and respecting the institution, he can say: i will not put it to the vote

decrees on dismissal, until the minister comes and i report there for two or three minutes, they will not tell me what was done and why he is writing a statement and so on, this is normal european practice, this is normal parliamentarism, i personally am outraged by such things, they disgust me, because it calls out that we are nothing... we are just an empty place, and no one wants to shake hands with us, the ministers have shown you that the parliament is nothing, today, it is true, if the deputies, in fact, are the ones who vote , they eat it, then the opposition, here in my face, the motherland, well, the entire faction, i think that the july faction too, well, we can't do that, let's say so, well, we don't feel comfortable enough in a situation where because of our colleagues, we are also under, well, let's say so. in the same line of people who are not respected, simply not respected, and you rightly said, the ministers today, they showed how much they respect the parliament, and here the main

question becomes, who is the main body in our country, in our the legislative executive, as it were, the legislative body that appoints the executive branch of power, and the parliamentary presidential republic, and we cannot treat the parliament like that, no matter who sits there. we should first of all respect not the deputy, but the institution, and since today there are relevant deputies in this institution, and each of them is different, but still an institution, it exists, and respect for the institution is simply reporting, and i am sure , that these two ministers who came, they only raised their authority, since they were not afraid to sincerely report each in their committee, to go to the podium of the supreme advice, thank you, say and... but you didn’t go to

surkis’s birthday party earlier, but why i shouldn’t go, i’ll explain, because such a wonderful publication was published by our colleague tetyana nikolaenko, which we will still broadcast today , and she wrote about the fact that surkis, or rather kuleba , was saved from resignation by surkis, because he had a bad day today. well, you say for the opz bloc, there are simply no votes, the opz votes, the opzh votes with the servants of the people, this is an opposition faction, here i want to remind you, well, while you are talking, i am a member of the national security committee, defense and intelligence, i went to the working group on the development of the army aviation of ukraine under the leadership of general. samilenko, it’s just that you are for deputy minister klachka, just so that you understand where i went, and at the moment i have here, well, let’s put it this way, kalibi, we will

talk in the next broadcasts about the situation in poltava, about what the committee will decide, therefore, i invite you in advance tomorrow or on friday, yulia, what do you say about the resignation, not kuleba's resignation, what was it at all, look, it was actually very bad a message to our... well, i think, international partners, since kuleba has been the face of ukraine's foreign policy for the last time there, well, for many years, 3 years already, yes, even more, i don't remember when we appointed him, and to release him in such a way, when in the evening he writes, i don't know, at 11:00 a statement under duress or not under duress, and in the morning he is examined, this is a shame, both for the minister, and for the parliament, and for the ruling... party , because, for example, a lot of foreign journalists wrote to me today, moreover from completely different countries, from india to america, and they asked: how come your successful

colleague, who is known all over the world, is being fired, what is wrong? in fact , the situation with kuleba was that he went last, and he really did not have enough votes, because in addition to kuleba, there were several other bills on the agenda that we should consider from... and start considering amendments, but the session was closed , since there were no votes for kuleba or anything else, this shows the level of general attitude, well, to the parliament, and absolutely you are right here, you discussed that it is disrespectful to the institution, because all these people, ministers, they know that decisions are not made in parliament, that's why they don't come, people, when they understand where the center of gravity is, so say, the decision-making center, they go there, it is in the president's office, all decisions are made there, that's why today's circus, for example, i didn't vote, i took out

my card, because i don't... want to take part in this circus, in the absence of ministers who report, these statements are made in haste considered, they did not report to the committee, i did not understand what the next rotation is, now we will remove them, we will not accept new ones, we have a lending program, we have heavy expenses for the army, raising taxes, heating, the heating season and everything else, tell me to me, who will make decisions in the semi-legitimate cabinet of ministers, if we do not mean anyone, or who will deal, for example, with foreigners, during negotiations with these, with this cabinet of ministers, which is not fully staffed, let's put it this way, in general baptized, baptized absolutely all authorities, it will not work for so long, it is a matter of time when it all this pyramid will collapse, therefore, unfortunately, we want it not to collapse, but to work, because we cannot

afford in... time there is still such a thing, you know, the mess is still in the rear, we all need to focus on the front line. i want our audience, well , she and i to be as sincere as possible and for them to clearly understand what happened, because formally the ministers wrote a statement of resignation of their own free will, that's how they wanted to and wrote statements of resignation in one night. in fact, what we hear and read, it was not so, they were asked to write statements, most likely, you are now in relation. kuleba's ministers used such a thesis that we don't know if he wrote a statement under duress or not under duress, well, let's talk honestly about this moment, they were all forced to write statements, and if they were forced, then who forced them to write these statements? look, they were forced to write those statements precisely by those who hired them, they were not hired de facto by the parliament, let's put it this way, he just put an apostille, so, if we can speak from the documents, that is, the parliament actually legitimized the decision,

which was definitely not made in the parliament. most of these people did not come to any faction, these people did not talk about their programs, they did not talk about the policies they want to approve, in general about the work plan, also about the reports they made, some of them sat for four years, having spent billions of budget dollars, please tell me, are the ukrainian people in the face of the deputies or just not publicly it's worth it for them to come and say: i did it, i spent it. so much money, they went to teto, teto, you, all of you, ukrainians paid taxes, and that's why they were used for so-and-so, otete, i have such results, wasn't it possible to make a five-minute speech and it was possible to remove most of these issues, this is disrespect for the institution, which is simply growing every day, and unfortunately, the institution reciprocates, the lack of deputies

to listen and vote... even for kuleba, well, obviously, people just left , them it was necessary, well, they looked at this circus, they got together and left, that's all, you know, it's unhealthy, well, it's realistic from all sides, it's worth noting here, i'll remind you that the ministers who really resigned, or were about to resign ruled for a very long time, for example , iryna veryshchuk and the same big department, the occupied territories, some possible policy regarding the occupied territories, regarding the people who live there, regarding the plans, well, in fact, we did not hear a lot, no... the ukrainian people heard, and in fact, to the benefit which, it would seem, these ministers were supposed to work. your colleague, vadym ibchenko, who has already disconnected from our broadcast, possibly because of a problem, he somehow veiledly hinted at new faces and so on, tried to convey some inside information. i will tell you honestly, i didn't understand much, i only had assumptions that maybe some new people, whom vadym ivchenko knows directly, could become ministers, do you have anything to add to this, about which new, new

faces could to go look, i... think there won't be any new faces in the range, maybe it will be one or two people, if she is still forced to write an application for a job, but let's face it, instead of kuleba, mr. sibiga was planned, who for a long time headed the international team in the president's office, and then became the first deputy in the ministry of foreign affairs. he is a decent person, he knows a lot of things, i don't know if this is enough to promote ukrainian interests on the world stage, but you need to have a certain charisma and you need to have certain, let's say yes, yes, then we have stefanyshyn , who will take the post of malyuska minister of justice, and she will combine it with european integration, she actually worked at the ministry of justice in her biography.