in which three children and more than 60 others were injured as a result of the russian terrorist attack on lviv, this morning the enemy hit the middle of the city with dagger rockets, look, the shock wave, as if on his hands, he jumps out, runs away. and a pile of dust, just like that in front of my nose flies through the tulle, the glass is soaked, thank god only here, because you were left without an eye , i don’t know what,

according to preliminary information, he, being with them in the stairwell, just went to get water in the apartment , and it saved him. eternal memory to the dead and condolences to the relatives loved ones and death to the russian occupiers. friends, throughout our broadcast, we also work on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are now. there is watching us live, please subscribe to our pages and also take part in our survey. today we ask you about the following: do you consider it timely to renew the personnel of the ukrainian government? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, you can write your own comment or separate opinion under this video on youtube. if you watch us in tv broadcasts, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote for the numbers. if you consider it timely to update the personnel of the ukrainian. government 0800-21381, no, 080

211382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will tally up the results of this vote. i would like to introduce our first guest today, he is a colonel of the security service of ukraine, people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the parliamentary committee on national security, defense and intelligence, roman kostenko. mr. colonel, i salute you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, mr. sergey. mr. colonel, well, let's start with russia's missile terror, massive strikes over the past few weeks, kharkiv, sumy, lviv, dnipro, poltava, what goals does putin pursue by shelling civilian cities, and most importantly, what should be our response to such shelling ? well, first of all, we understand. that we are striking

putin at their military facilities, and this , on the one hand, may be his response to the fact that he did not expect that ukraine would destroy his oil refinery industry, which will destroy its military facilities, airfields, and he is trying to intimidate ukraine in this way, to hit civilian facilities, through trying to influence society and... thanks to society, they have been doing this since the beginning of the war. i don't think that anything has changed today, i join your sympathies, but we see that russia, from the very beginning, was not particularly selective in its targets and hit just there, in populated areas, cities, where there are many civilian objects , then already, say, telling about the fact that there somewhere in our military or. one more

thing, so this is their tactic that they used from the very beginning, this, including the tactics of nazi germany, we remember that bombed london in order to break the will of the british during the second world war, nothing new putin came up with, following in, let's say, the footsteps of his predecessors. well, i already mentioned this tragedy in lviv, this morning. according to the mayor of lviv andriy sadovy, several dozen residential and other buildings in the city center were damaged in the city, and about the dead and about wounded, as i said, let's listen to what sadovy says about the destruction in lviv? there are a lot of damage, there are more than 50 buildings, most of them are in the heart of our city, historical heritage, we already understand for sure that the festival. we are evacuating people's houses, two

schools will not work today, many windows have been blown away, two medical facilities of the state emergency service are also affected. mr. colonel, judging by the destruction and the strikes that are taking place in the west of our country, it is obvious that there is not enough air defense, air defense systems, and the poles today reported that they raised fighter jets at the moment when the missiles were flying to the west of ukraine, apparently they were afraid that these missiles would cross the polish-ukrainian border, but they did not... did not use their weapons against these missiles, the ukrainians put a logical question, why our neighbors, the poles, do not use weapons if they have them to shoot down these missiles, a purely technical question, whether

poland can use these weapons and whether they have the capabilities, whether they see these missiles and whether they can they shoot them down in the air of ukraine? well, if we talk about us in the first place, that we really do not have enough air defense to close all our facilities and all our cities, all our civil infrastructure facilities, all our military facilities, this is a fact, there is a lot of criticism often, why is there no air defense there, why is there, this air defense is simply not there physically, we remember that they give us one patriot battery, there is one battery, patriot, from our partners, well, let's say, in europe there are hundreds of these patriot complexes. which are in them, and could they help us? of course yes, there, the range of the impression of a patriot is 150 km, if they even stood on the border with e.e. ukraine, poland, and if our partners for

themselves, let's say, raised the position that everything approaching there is 100-200 km, because this is a short time, you may not understand that it is flying to poland, or it is flying to lviv, or to some other... western city, if they gave an ultimatum that everything that approaches there within 200 km of the borders with poland , it will go astray on the territory of ukraine, i think it would be the right decision, it was would be an adult concession of a neighboring country, a brotherly concession, but unfortunately such decisions are not made, do they see, of course they see, they have the means to see, i think, all its attacks, all missiles on and generally aircraft on the territory of ukraine now. the radar system allows us to do this, we also see what we have, they see what they have, i think they even see how planes take off on the territory of the russian federation, because they are in nato, the system works there, so they are calm they could do it even from their own territory, covering, simply declaring that we

will shoot down everything, either what flies towards us, or what flies at civilian objects at peaceful cities of ukraine, unfortunately, such a decision has not yet been made, i do not i know why this is, well, for me it is cowardice and no, let's put it this way, not the desire to make serious decisions, yes, we will give you some kind of minimal weapon, you can sort it out for yourself, but we say to the whole world that ukraine would stands for democracy, ukraine is the shield of europe, but we will keep this weapon for ourselves, so this is it for me cowardice and not the ability to make serious decisions during such a bloody war, when your neighbors are covered in blood and civilians are bleeding. yesterday, colonel, the russians struck with two ballistic missiles at poltava, at the communications institute, and now at this moment it is known that the number of dead as a result of this strike has increased to 53 people,

about 300 injured, people may still be under the rubble , the state emergency service reports about this, but yesterday, people's deputy of ukraine maryana bezugla. said that this blow took place when the military was lining up. dmytro lazutki, the spokesman of the ministry of defense, refutes this information and says that there was no line-up, the usual training process continued. let's listen to what lazutkin said on the air of the telethon, the only news. according to our data, the educational process took place in the institution. at 9:08 an alarm sounded, everyone went down to the shelter. in a few minutes. after the announcement of the alarm, explosions rang out, the details of the tragedy in poltava are being studied, it is now known that no shocks or other measures in the moment of the strike did not take place, the minister of defense of ukraine instructed the chief inspectorate of the ministry of defense to urgently conduct an official investigation. mr. colonel,

obviously the official investigation will give exact answers to what happened in poltava. it is clear that the communications institute was obviously one of the goals of the russian federation. and before, in principle, like any military university in our country, or any military unit, but in this situation we again see how in the information space... they begin, as they say, to outline information about the fact that there was a line-up, that someone there is to blame for this, and in advance to the ministry of defense and the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, this information is spread both in our mass media and in the mass media. mariana bezugla, the author of this next sketch, and today the verkhovna rada could not dismiss her from the position of deputy head of the parliamentary committee on national affairs. of security and defense, you can say why this happens, why one

person allows himself more than all the military together, well, if we talk about institute, then poltava university, i also have information at the moment that there were no queues, so what was written and the information immediately went to me, what they are telling me now is a lie, and this is not the first lie , which we hear. trying to discredit, which is used trying to discredit the army, this is a problem, uh, and there was an educational process, but i have another question, why was an educational process going on there, we understand that this is a military institute, which is a military target, there there are cadets studying in military affairs, this is a target for the russian federation, so of course, er, it is necessary to conduct an investigation and generally understand what the cadets were doing there. during the war, during the time when the russians can strike, i know other educational

institutions, military, academies, where, in principle, the cadets do not study, they are scattered in other places, in small groups for a safer training, so of course we need to figure it out, and by the way, this committee is also under control, in the near future, i won’t say, quite... in the near future sometimes yes, we will deserve these from this one from this one in this case we will be there for everyone involved there will be people who are in charge from the general staff from the ministry of defense will report what the measures were, what specifically happened there, what they were, what the cadets studied there and who was giving which teams, the committee also took control of it so that there would be no more such cases... uh, that didn't happen, what about the colleague, well, look, it's not the first time, but about what

was voted there, did not vote, she is currently the deputy head of the committee, not according to the quota servants of the people, although it has already left the servants of the people faction, but at the same time, the leaders of the servants of the people faction instruct the deputies not to vote for its removal, it is their internal affairs, let's say the question when there are factions... servants of the people does not vote for, that or supports the fact that there is a person in the committee who is not a member of their faction, although i know that many people have come to our committee, deputies from the servant of the people, who want to join the committee to work and specifically ask the leaders of the servant of the people faction , and why does a person who is not a member of our faction, but we are members of the faction who work there. by faith and truth, we vote there, when they say, we vote there as

a faction, but we cannot get into the committee, because yes, that's why i think the answer here is obvious, that they don't vote, by the way, the factions didn't vote today either, those opzh passed, they just didn't vote for it, and their people, and that's why there weren't enough votes, that's why it's purely their internal issues, let them deal with them, let them deal with them, we have to understand one thing, that of discrediting. defense forces and armed forces under wartime is a crime. let's talk about the short results: well , the ukrainian army has been in kurdistan for almost a month and the counteroffensive of the armed forces of ukraine in the kurdish direction has been going on for a month. what do you say about the results of the first month of the offensive and the prospects for maintaining this bridgehead and expanding it. well, if we talk about the results, we should consider the kurdish offensive in particular, not just a kurdish offensive,

within the framework of the entire ukrainian-russian front, then what we see, of course, the pace has decreased, but it was precisely the beginning of the operation, it had a great military effect, an international effect, a domestic political effect, it had, let's say, for our military, it was of great importance, so... the interception of the initiative, so i believe that the first month of the operation went well, now the issue is more difficult, the enemy begins to pull up reserves, the main thing is that we also learned that the enemy is not doing well either. with the personnel, because he does not have well-trained, fast reserves, he has been trying to levy something for more than a month not in order to squeeze out our defense forces from the territory of the russian federation, and to at least stop their advance on the territory of the russian federation, but at the same time we see that they are the main reserves, the main forces are not transferred from the

direction of pokrovsk, which is threatening to us, they are secondary, that is overturning everything is even. is happening, they're dropping them from various other secondary directions, but once again they're weakening those directions by doing that, and i think the effect of this operation going forward, and what the main targets are, i think we'll see, will depend on our reserves, on that what is planned by our general staff, but in general , i think that the operation has been quite successfully carried out this month, and the goals that were set... they are not that they have been fulfilled, but they are the armed forces, the defense forces are moving towards these forces, which were put president zelenskyi in an interview with nbc news, colonel, said that russia has moved 60,000 troops from ukraine to the kursk region, although the russian troop group, as you said, which is pressing pokrovsk, has not undergone a significant reduction,

to put it briefly that situation which is now forming in the... pokrovsky direction, what can you say about the prospects of the russian offensive on the main cities of the east and center of ukraine? well, we see that the main direction of the attack is this pokrovsky agglomeration there, they continue to move there, now according to my information there as of yesterday, i haven't updated yet today, it's... there their pace was no longer so fast , they are defeated by our defense forces, but the enemy is still advancing bit by bit, there is already less than 10 km to pokrovsk itself, the enemy is carrying serious losses, ours we are trying to adjust the control there, because it is very important there in this direction, because the interaction is often lost, is lost during the battle, and because of this there is no stability in

close combat, when it is the turn of small arms. often the enemy prevails and often the enemy takes the upper hand in this, so the task here is, of course, to motivate the commanders, and i said that a strong army begins with the tsk, but when the tsk has to call up people whom in the future we can train, we can motivate them, we we can be sure of them they are called to the tsk so that these people can be trained, i have already said many times, when i served in the special forces, we had an institute. and there they had such a rule written on the wall, if there was a mistake at the selection stage, then further training of the cadet does not make any sense, and we must also understand that a good soldier is when you have selected a good soldier who is healthy, who has some correct profession, who can perform

the task, who is motivated, taught him necessarily, not just two weeks at the training ground, and if he is there... and then two - this is when it comes to obtaining a profession, he must be prepared, because the problem is that when you have spent a month with a machine gun somewhere on a training ground and everyone thinks that you are already trained, you can perform complex tasks tasks, unfortunately, mobilized, especially poorly prepared, cannot perform serious tasks, such as offensives, ambushes, raids and all that, they are at best there to stand on the defensive and even then it is not sustainable, so training is of great importance, and now we are in pokrovsky direction including. see that we have problems and also, let's say, we have certain different problems, but the training includes the fact that we have a poorly prepared personnel contribution that does not hold close combat, we have brigades that are a model, there is also the third assault unit of azov, there, well , you can have the 47th there, but there are brigades that

practically do not engage in close combat and leave their positions, this is a problem, i would say, it starts with the ccc, training centers, then teams, and they need to be solved, and it needs to be done from this conclusions that a well- prepared soldier will not be of any use on the battlefield. thank you colonel for talking to you, it was roman kostenko, colonel of the security service of ukraine, people's deputy of ukraine. friends, we continue our work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are now watching us live there. please subscribe to our pages, like this video, and vote in our poll, it sounds like this today: do you think it is timely to renew the personnel of the ukrainian government? yes, not on youtube. everything is quite simple, if you have a separate opinion, leave it, be it please in the comments under the video. if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on the numbers if you think it is appropriate and

timely to update the personnel of the ukrainian government (0800-211 381, not 0800-211-382), all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we will be in touch with valery romanenko, an aviation expert. leading researcher of the state aviation museum. mr. valery, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening, thank you for the invitation. mr. valery, let's talk about the nature of the latest massive missile strikes on ukraine, the enemy uses combined strikes and combined options of how he attacks cities, mainly civilian cities. in your opinion, how does this period of missile terror and the use of missiles and drones differ

from the previous one, or is there any difference in it? well, i don't see a fundamental difference, but it's obvious to the naked eye, well, let's say this, i've said it many times that the russians will do more and more emphasis on... ballistics, that is, they clearly know that we do not have enough anti-aircraft missile systems capable of destroying ballistic missiles, shooting them down, that is why they, let's say, reduce the number of conventional cruise missiles, which in general sometimes shoot down all over 100%, and at least 80% go astray there, so the shaheds are also destroyed and destroyed quite cheaply. but to destroy ballistic missiles you need anti-ballistic complexes, well, anti-aircraft missile complexes with missiles are capable of knocking down

ballistic missiles with a direct hit (hit to kill is the name of this method), when a missile, a small anti-missile hits a ballistic missile that flies almost vertically on the terminal segment of the flight, it does not just shoot it down, but it initiates in... the explosion of its warhead in the air, because otherwise there is no sense knock it down, it still falls almost vertically. so today we have only five such complexes. four american patriots and pte. ot. therefore, the enemy is taking advantage of the moment. it was announced that we will receive more. well, at least half a dozen complexes, but so far did not receive and the enemy is taking advantage of the moment that we are still vulnerable in this regard, and therefore as much as possible. often uses ballistics even on the verge of exhausting its reserves of ballistic missiles, today poland once again

stated that it was a very busy night for their air defense, and there they raised aviation in the sky, but only to observe the russian attack on russia in ukraine, which writes operational command of the armed forces of poland in social. gx, it was another night of increased readiness of polish and allied anti-aircraft systems and intensive work of servicemen, radio technicians, pilots, ground support personnel and soldiers on combat duty. we have repeatedly heard from the mouths of volodymyr zelensky and other ukrainian officials that we would like the poles to help us shoot down missiles and drones flying towards the west. of ukraine, since our neighbors have such an opportunity, do they have such an opportunity to shoot down these flying

objects over the territory of western ukraine, and what does their participation or non-participation in such a thing depend on? there is an opportunity, there is no desire, here you can answer this question briefly. that is, the poles do not want to participate in this, although technically. they can do it, well , they alternated, yes, alternated, alternated, alternated, alternated, that they alternated, that they watched porn films, what is the difference for us, and what is the difference for them, they made the destruction procedure so difficult for themselves of a flying object, that the pilot should see it, that he should see it not with radar, but to see with his own eyes, that the pilot will see at night, how black it is in the... black darkness, yes, in what way, this is such a definition, so to speak, of the conditions for the downing of an object, yes, it automatically cuts off all kinds of possibilities

for... their physical destruction, that is, the poles either have to make some adequate, reasonable decisions, yes, or remain silent altogether about the fact that they have a desire, even over their territory, over their own territory, to shoot down some russian means of destruction, here the fault is entirely the poles, and they don’t want, that means they don’t want, and all their denials, that you have to look, you have to, well, you could squeeze, yes a lot of questions for ours neighbors, well, actually which ones belong to the north atlantic alliance, since you understand, excuse me for interrupting you, the poles give increasingly stupid answers to these questions, you understand, well, there was no such thing at all, even the nato watchmen did not think that the pilot should look around , what on the object, maybe it was lost by some ukrainian plane, which ukrainian plane is now flying and wandering near the borders of poland, this is

a rhetorical question. i absolutely agree with you, mr. valery, president zelenskyi said literally a week ago that ukraine is preparing or testing, testing new ballistic missiles, how soon can ukraine begin mass production of long-range weapons, when these weapons can be used deep in the russian federation, well, around the year 26 at best. you just shocked me now with the terms, because i understand that two years of war, an intense war like the one now, in principle, do not give any chance that these ballistic missiles will be made, and the president, the first sentence was that the rocket was successful testing, and let's say so, if we assume to skip the middle part, the second

sentence... you still don't have money in the budget of the ministry of defense for its further development, this, this, this, this all sounds very sad, to be honest, well, that is, that is, there will be to try to attract private money, yes, but private money, well, you understand, when in the americans , in general, private companies produce everything, most of the weapons, yes, but in our country, everything is produced by state companies, except for drones and certain types of combat... military equipment , that is, there is no money, no rockets, and this is a very difficult process, the most difficult type of weapon is the development of ballistic missiles, so it is good if we can get the main components, for example, fuel, high-calorie fuel, yes, if we can get it, because we have no experience working with solid-fuel missiles at all , we did not produce, we produced

liquid-fuel missiles, and for... operational-tactical missiles, a liquid-fuel engine is nonsense, that's why we need a lot of money, we need components that helped us speed up this process, and the issue of production, we produced missiles in the dnipro, now it is somehow, well, on rokhat, where it would be possible to produce, say, fuel for solid fuel engines on their basis, yes, it is possible, it is in sums, now. all these cities are under shelling, under frequent shelling, front-line cities in fact, in fact, in addition to this announcement of this ballistic missile, zelenskyi also said that the ukrainian defense forces used the ukrainian long-range polyanytsia drone missile for a military purpose on the territory occupied by russia, occupied crimean

peninsula by russia in august of this year. what is this rocket, drone, palyanitsa, is it clear to us which ones, what is the configuration of this drone missile, and again, how many of these drone missiles can be in ukraine when production is established? well, regarding the configuration, we only know the aerodynamic scheme, it is a classic aerodynamic scheme without ceiling elements. technologies, this is not it, this is a volunteer rocket, what was shown to us as a clearing is a slightly different product, here is a typical scheme, a duck, so it has horizontal plumage, the front ones, we were shown with rear placement horizontal, well, in the rear placement of the control rudders, let's say so, about this missile.