we expect approximately the same process, now after the exhibition we will bring it to the tested sample, that is, the prototype is now presented to us, we will test this sample, declare the technical characteristics, confirm them and contact the customer for the purpose of codifying this product, and the potential of the company allows to manufacture such robotic platforms and machines of the varta 2 class, in which? quantities are we talking about hundreds per year? production capacity, this is what will be measured at the moment, and today, for example, because this the car is not produced, production, this is something that needs to be evaluated in the short-term, medium-term perspective, i am up to this, for example, if... in that year

100 cars were produced there, we would be told: let's go to the next one, tell us the number, we we will finance it for you, we would make 500, then scaling is not a problem for a private business, but there is a problem of financing this scaling and financing the production capabilities of the enterprise, so it is still a little early before the tests to talk about the quantities that the company can produce, and we in... and we understand that in order to oppose russia, there must be thousands, not hundreds of them. and i can’t help but ask about ammunition, there are many companies in vkels that manufacture gunpowder, tnt, mine casings, projectile casings, are there negotiations in this direction so that we get more component parts in order to manufacture more of the same mines for our armed forces? sir? you know my public position on

this issue, talking about what is produced and objectively delivering are two different things, and in fact, the problem with the supply of components remains, and it is relevant not only for ukraine, it is relevant for the entire western world, for europe, we see efforts to produce ammunition, which are quite modest in terms of their parameters, that is, there is such a crisis of technical capacity, then in in western countries, there is no question of funds, so they do not have a question , not you, that someone lacks funds, there is a question of technical capacity, there is a question of the ability to develop production, which takes a certain time, and unfortunately, we also have this delays in the supply of components are connected, and many processes are connected with this, but it is improving, it is on... it is getting better and such

work is actively, actively conducted, that there are many visitors at home , who are knowledgeable in armored vehicles, and in the artillery, they definitely came to your stands, asking, questioning, or hinting at cooperation, what kind of spirit is currently at the exhibition, ah, a twofold situation, since they are very... interested now, for example, we are worth 2 presented, our stand is full of people who are interested in purchases, purchases of such cars, that is , it is not the suppliers of components who offer, namely the customers, potential customers, and there are a lot of them, this is one such trend, it concerns specifically the armored car, ah, for the rest i will tell you that the poles are very interested, the polish party, polish...

companies, today we had the minister of defense of poland, they are interested in cooperation, well , this is very logical and correct, poland is the closest, logistically closest country where you can safely do work, and they ee unlike, apparently, many of our government officials, they perfectly understand what the economy is, how it functions, and the more you attract enterprises to your economy, the better it will... feel. mr. wladyslaw, wladyslaw, thank you very much for including, for explaining to our viewers what exactly your company shows to foreign partners. i hope that our armed forces will soon use these samples on the battlefield. i will remind our viewers that it was vladyslav belbas, the director of the ukrainian armored vehicles company, which manufactures and supplies the armed forces with a significant range of various weapons, in addition to armored vehicles, we are talking about supplies, and mortars, all that is extremely. on the battlefield, then

about the fact that it is extremely important to really bet on one's own defense-industry on one's own capacities, because from september 1. china introduced the first, not the first, in fact, it introduced restrictions on the export of drones, a number of components, as well as electronics related to the manufacture of drones and reb means, and are our manufacturers ready for such restrictions, what can be done so that the volume of manufacture and supply of drones not suffered from these chinese restrictions. next, we will talk about this topic with vadym yunyk, the president of the technological forces association. ukraine, mr. vadim, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear you. yes, congratulations, good evening. we know that a number of technological companies, which are part of your association, manufacture drones, fpv drones, and reb tools, and well, many interesting and extremely necessary samples. and i understand

that these data, reports that china is starting to introduce or has already introduced restrictions on components. of course it is in a way discussed in your environment. i wanted that you explain to our viewers what exactly is limited, what are the risks and what are the consequences of this story? well, the restrictions that china has for us, it applies to almost all components that are used in drones, but so, let's say these restrictions, they will uh, they will affect almost all manufacturers, but i think that most manufacturers, they... were ready for this, because we understood that sooner or later it would happen, but first of all, because china is, first of all, a friend of russia, and we we understand that they consider ukraine more as an enemy than a partner, that is why, let's say,

it is not such a big surprise for the company, although in fact we expected that it might not happen, or it might happen later, and the question arises, how will operate our company or learn to bypass trade restrictions, or work on localization and own production of certain components, which path will we choose? well, yes, you, you asked a very good question, i think that first of all it is simply a challenge for our country regarding what we have already said many times, regarding localization, aa production. special components that are included, for example, in drones in our country, this is very important, and because here, in addition to, let's say, the desire of manufacturers to do this, there are a lot of problems related to legislative various conflicts that need to be solved, and because, for example, there are

different tax preferences, and for drones and components for drones, but if we say, for example, that these components are for the individual block itself, then... that there are no such preferences, well, for example, but -and, thermal imaging matrix, it is part of the drone, that is, there are preferences for introducing it, but if you want such a thermal imaging matrix, it would be very good to produce it inside our country, then all the components that make up it are taxed taxes, and accordingly already at least 20%, ah matrix, the thermal imager that will be created in ukraine will be more expensive only due to these taxes than the ton that will be... imported abroad, and there are many such examples, so we insist very strongly that the regions, our country and the state and the authorities must see this, if we want, for example, the production of components to improve in our country and become one of the strengths

of our country, we must analyze it and give such tax preferences to our manufacturers, but everything is created equally the risk of such a time lag when... we will find variations that compensate for the chinese components, and how this will affect those contracts that have already been concluded by the enterprise, in particular there with the ministry of defense or other components of the defense security forces, is there a risk of certain failure to supply the same fiwi drones or other drones to the defense forces? and i hope not, i will explain why, because i really hope that most of the manufacturers do not have direct contracts with china, why? because first of all, when... you are a manufacturer of some kind of weapons, you have your address registered there, famous people, yes, who work for you, there are directors, all the others who sign these contracts, when you draw up a direct contract , you actually tell the enemy simply that where you are and who it is,

accordingly, we have always said, even from the point of view of security, that such contracts should be made not directly, but through various intermediaries, for example, there in european countries, which are very difficult to us in order not to open them. china our information about our manufacturers, and accordingly, in the same way, for example, if the company has already prepared for this, they have partners in europe, then these bans that apply to our country. well , they are, let's say, unpleasant that they are, but it will not affect so powerfully, for those manufacturers who continued to transport directly, that's bad, but i hope that there are few such manufacturers, because it is necessary to prepare in advance for such nuances, the question of one hundred percent one hundred percent production of components for drones on the territory of ukraine is probably a fantasy, yes, well, let's say, it would be very good , you yourself understand, for example, in all basic electronics there are microchips, yes, well, there are such, that

is, we do not have any production, if that produces chips, especially this, if we are talking about some complex chips, that is, all such productions - this is korea, china, and others different countries, yes, that is, we heard, if you remember, a year ago that intel is going to open such factories in poland, but there is no such thing on the territory of ukraine, so, let's say, if we say so... yes it is absolutely honest that 100% of the components must be produced in ukraine, then this is a very difficult path, and here without a state for sure, well, manufacturers will not do this, there are many there, for example, in the same motors, there are magnets, yes, which are actually produced only by china , there are few countries that, for example, also produce them, so there, let's say, if we disassemble it into individual components, then 100%, to do it to... a long way and here separately, let's say, our individual desire is not enough, we need very strong

powerful support from the state, state guarantees that if if you open such a production, then the state will buy from you like this, here i will just give one example, some manufacturers since the 22nd year, just hearing such a call from the state about localization, they began, let's say, such a very difficult work on the production of such products components in ukraine, but... well, let's say a dear person who has been engaged in some kind of production at least once understands that if we want to achieve the price level for components the same as in china, it does not happen in one day, that is, you need to set up a line, you need to this line worked for a while, so that you have a large series, because it is on series that you can reduce the price, it is always like that, well , you just know the stages of production, and now it is clear that there is no, that is, there is localization of some manufacturers, but... due to the fact that there is still no large series, the price is localized products, in most cases it is more expensive

than those produced by chinese companies, and when such a manufacturer comes, when such a manufacturer comes to the state, he is told very simply, your product is more expensive, we do not want to buy it from you, and here the state must to determine what should be the priorities, there should be a very clear support of manufacturers who have localized. production that is invested in the development of such components in the country, accordingly, their costs are much higher, and plus it takes time for them to be constantly buy so that they can reduce the cost of such components. mr. vadim, we just have a couple of minutes, i would like to ask about you had such a good event with the participation of manufacturers and the command of unmanned systems forces, where the improvement of the efficiency of interaction, directions that are extremely relevant, to put it briefly, were discussed. what does our military need now at the current stage and what are the problems that most

concern our manufacturers? and let's say for the military what i hear personally, a quick response from manufacturers is very important changes that are taking place at the front, and here too, let's say, well, there are many factors that cannot surface, but here it is a challenge to the military to convey this information in time and to... manufacturers in order to hear and have the opportunity to react quickly, because we ourselves understand that rap and all such things are there constantly if our enemy tries to change something, accordingly, if we want our military to fight, say, with means that are superior to our enemy, it is constantly necessary to make any changes is a very big challenge, and we need such a very strong connection between the manufacturers and the military, mr. vadim, thank you very much... thank you for these explanations, for what your association is doing to make our armed forces really technological and

primarily use robotic platforms , drones for attacks on the enemy, and that there would be a lot of these drones, even in spite of the restrictions introduced by china, let me remind you that it was vadym yunyk, the president of the association of technological forces of ukraine. these were the main military accents of this era, the broadcast will continue vasyl zima, so stay tuned to the espresso channel. thank you, serhiy, thank you to the guest, i will immediately inform you that the search and rescue operations have been completed. demolition of debris in poltava 55 people died, this is the last information we have, and 328 people were injured. we will still talk about poltava today, but now let's join the gathering announced by the espresso tv channel and the vesna charitable fund. we continue to collect funds together with you for the purchase of

modern drones and electronic warfare systems for the third separate assault brigade, as well as for the 110th and 47th mechs. them brigades of the armed forces of ukraine. the defenders in the donetsk direction every day hold back enemy attacks, defend our freedom and future. our goal is uah 3.5 million. you see all the details on your screens, get involved, it is a very necessary thing on the front to support our soldiers and give them what they need right now. we will talk about education, but of course in the light of these missile strikes, rocket strikes and the terror that the enemy has unleashed, in particular against institutions higher and secondary and preschool education. liliya grenevich is with us, she is the vice-rector of kharkiv national university and karazin and also a people's deputy of the 7-8 convocation and was the minister of education of ukraine in 16-19 years. mrs. liliya, i congratulate you. greetings to

you, greetings to all viewers. well, let's start anyway, probably with this topic, the functioning of the organization of the educational process, we are talking now, probably after all , about secondary school, well , we can also talk about higher school, and we can also touch on preschool education, the enemy has shown that there is none for him no preferences where to aim, whether at military facilities, or at residential buildings, or at infrastructure facilities, or, let's say , at educational institutions, and we saw a terrible story from poltava, well, we also flew in. there are debris in schools, and in kharkiv, and in dnipro, in kramatorsk, and in other settlements. in your opinion, how should we act now in order to protect children a, a and b as much as possible - to ensure a normal, high-quality educational process, and this is the most important thing, so that children receive knowledge, this is the most important thing, for which they

in fact, they are going to school now, for which we are preparing, preparing our shift, please, yes, a difficult start. of the school year and all these strikes, in particular on educational institutions , testify to one thing: first, if we have partially offline learning and children are present in the room, then first of all , appropriate trainings with children or with students should be conducted, how they act in times of anxiety , where the shelter is located, where everyone is organized to get out, because... they were able to save themselves, in particular, where those people who left were hit and managed to get down to the shelter in time, so this, this process must be worked out in institutions that work offline to automation, without a doubt that the quality of education suffers, because even if children learn offline, and all

the time it is interrupted by alarms, and you have to at any moment to stop the lesson and go to the shelter, this affects the learning results, and very often now teachers and educators equip the shelter in such a way that the educational process can be continued there, of course, it will not be full-fledged, therefore that you may not be able to use some teaching aids, but the teachers are already ready to continue the conversation ee... and some activities with children even in shelters, so shelters, like the ones you have now in the footage, are very often already equipped for the educational process, the lives of children, our pupils, students - this is number one. next, about quality education, still a third of ukrainian children study in a mixed

or distance learning environment, because the security conditions are such that it... it is impossible to provide offline, and this is where it is very important that our teachers for their part, they used high-quality distance learning technologies, because it is very difficult to motivate children to learn when you do not have personal contact with them, but only contact through the screen, and here you need the help of parents, because parents, on their part, also have to help her. to support children so that they sit down at the computer on time so that they do not miss lessons without fail. there is one more such important moment that must... be remembered at the beginning of the school year. our children have educational losses. what is learning loss? this is when the child does not know what she should already know at her

age. if it was a peaceful time, if she could study offline all the time, if there were no such worries. and these learning losses are very different for children, depending on their experiences during the war. therefore, all teachers should start this school year measuring these learning losses in order to understand them and help children fill these gaps, because such learning losses, for example in mathematics, can lead to the fact that a new topic is explained to a child, but he does not know something basic, as a result, children are discouraged, demotivated and drop out of school. uh, now we have to listen to the psycho-emotional state of our children in a special way, because it is much more difficult for them than it was in peacetime.

for example, ukraine's participation in the international pisa study is a study that measures the reading and math literacy of 15-year-old children. it showed that reading literacy in ukraine fell very sharply. and why? i.e. children do not read, children, children understand texts worse, and understand what is read worse, reading literacy is about that, not on the speed of reading, but how you can then answer questions about this text, assimilation of what you have read and in fact, and i understand, of course, it turns out that one of these reasons can be anxiety and the inability to concentrate on a large piece of text. and this, too, is caused by this factor of psycho-emotional instability in the conditions of war, anxiety, various

negative information, so i urge everyone to communicate more with children and support them, because they now have to readjust after a rather long vacation and also against such a... disturbing background that we have because of this terrible enemy, i will just add, because we have one more topic, one more topic to discuss, it may not be so painful now, but it is quite serious stirred up, at least such an intellectual, active, indifferent part of facebook and in general such an opinion, well, i don’t... at the end of this topic about strikes and missile attacks, the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi said that rockets to poltava, well, to this institute "yazuka, flew for 3 minutes, people

died on the way to the shelter, it's just to the words of what we will say, if there is a five -story school, well, mostly high school students study on the upper floors, but all the same while there, the children will run down to the high school, well, that is, 3 minutes - i don't know that, it's for sure, if the people of nemesiv the firemen are training, they are going down the pipe one by one, well, maybe they would be able to cope with such a large number of children, someone forgot something, someone forgot something, then the shoelace got untied, someone fell there, we understand that it is quite difficult, and therefore i think that the ministry should understand how to act in certain regions, although now we see that the enemy is hitting different regions, and ballistics are flying fast, either in poltava or in lviv. the second topic, it is also important, is it just, as they say, a test of the pen, or is it really planned, and the statement was from the minister. oksamat lisovoy about combining world history and the history of ukraine, weaving it into one context and teaching, teaching our children, the pluses, but

it disappeared, madam, no, there are pluses and minuses of the threat, because it was perceived like this: yes, you don't want to teach the history of ukraine to our children, it doesn't matter, i understand that ukraine is intertwined in the world context, but let's say, the history of the ancient east and ukraine are slightly different things, the theory of south america and ukraine too, well, that is, how many will there be, is it a question of the lack of teachers or, well, again , the question is then to write new textbooks or some new methodical materials, it’s not that easy, be it, or it’s just a matter of saving money, but again there they tell me, it’s very simple, please, i think it’s not about money, because the number of hours remains. total, which was on the history of ukraine and world history, at least that's how it appears from this conceptual note of the ministry, er, it seems to me that

it primarily goes... was primarily to teach, to teach national history as the leading countries do of the world, because in all countries the core is national history, which is studied against the background of the world, that is, the subjectivity of the nation, the country, against the background of various historical events that are highlighted in such a world context. this is the approach to teaching history that currently exists in modern education, and i think that it was you who moved this initiative, but to evaluate this initiative in our context, where we have a long tradition of teaching this subject in separate subjects, this is the history of ukraine and

separate world history. it is impossible if people do not see exactly the textbooks of such programs and trained teachers who can teach in this way, how traumatic the experience is when the history of ukraine was distorted, silenced, forbidden, that we are immediately inclined to suspicions. and fears that it might blur national history, uh, allocate less time to it, and although it is written in the concept that the lion's share of time will be devoted to national history, if people do not see this textbook, they will not be able to appreciate its advantages, and this modern way of teaching

national history. until then it is impossible to campaign for it, so it seems to me that the main reason for such an uproar, which has started on social networks from various experts, is precisely because it is impossible to positively evaluate this proposal without having a complete set educational materials, and i think that this course will not be implemented until society sees, and experts and scientists evaluate the content of these educational and methodical materials, which will be offered for different age categories for such an integrated course. well, indeed, it can be done, but again, it should be to write a textbook, let it not be a separate history of ukraine and a separate world history, to write a textbook, let's say, a separate one, which would combine these two topics,

interweave these, well this need a lot a lot of work to add, we need really cool specialists who would weave it in, who would connect it, show the unity of ukraine and europe, ties with the east, well, it would be very interesting, in fact, i 'll be honest, it would be interesting, reading this huge volume of the history of europe, where there is information about ukraine, well, it would be cool, but again, these should be really cool specialists who worked, maybe somewhere in the archives, even abroad, and wrote a really cool, cool, and this is not one year, maybe a job, maybe. scientists would take it upon themselves to make a good, good material, but to me it seems that it won't be that fast, we have a moment of time, but please, it won't be that fast, and that's why i say that so far only the concept has been released, but we can talk about the implementation of such a course only when there really are developed modern materials that can be evaluated by both the expert environment and

society. and only after this approval it will be possible to transfer completely or not completely, for example, i am a supporter of choice, because today we do not have enough teachers, and even more so, we do not have materials that could be taught in this way, so it will take a lot of time, both for the training of specialists and for the development of the scientific essence in general. reason for such a course, in the future it can also be a good exemplary, modern option. thank you very much for joining, thanks for your comments, take care and good luck. lilia grenevich, vice-rector of the kharkiv national university imennika razina, also a deputy of the seventh-eighth convocation, people's deputy, minister of education in 16-19 years, was with us. these important topics were voiced, here you know, for me the comment from svitlana

klymenko, who wrote: in the other world, is indicative. basic training will agree, take care of the children, which is offline, well, again, this is a question of the region, a question where it is a daily trouble.