surely everything should be done so that she does not succeed, strengthen us as much as possible, because we are fighting, but we need resources, well, next is the work of our diplomacy and the common sense and instinct of self-preservation of our partners, thank you for being with us, it was big ether, i 'll wait until tomorrow until 18:10, then the verdict with serhii rudenko, wait and be with us, good evening, we are with ukraine. exclusively on the air of our channel, welcome friends to the broadcast of the political club program on the espresso tv channel. the most relevant topics of the week: member countries nato has huge arsenals, russia is already on the verge of exhausting its resources. topics that resonate in our society. this is the question of trump's victory, what is it? analysis of the processes that change the country and each of us. what else can the russians do? are

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of officials between the cabinet and the president's office. nuclear scarecrows of the kremlin. putin threatens strikes on ukrainian nuclear power plants in response to the successful offensive of the armed forces of ukraine in kursk region. what threatens the kremlin dictator with the loss of russian territories? plan to end the war. ukraine is preparing a series of meetings with partners. regarding the strengthening of defense capabilities and pressure on russia for the purpose of a diplomatic settlement that will convince the enemy to abandon the language of ultimatums. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. over the next hour , we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and ours. victory throughout

in our program, we will have a politician, diplomat, former minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, pavlo klimkin, as our guest. however, before starting our long conversation with the ex-minister, i suggest watching a video of how the russian port of novorossiysk on the northeastern coast of the black sea was attacked by naval drones, ukrainian drones, this night. there was gunfire and... explosions in the city, nothing is known about the consequences yet, but we have a video of the night attack, let's see how it all went.

glory to the defense forces of ukraine and death russian occupiers. friends, i remind you that we are working. as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live on these platforms, please take part in our vote, today we are asking you about whether ukraine needs a ministry for repatriation of refugees , this idea now is being discussed in the government offices of ukraine, that is why we are asking you whether ukraine needs such a ministry or not , everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, if you have a separate opinion, please leave her. in the comments below this

video, if you're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on 0800 211 381 if you think the ministry of returns. ukraine needs home, if not needed, 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free. so, today there was a big rotation in the government of denys shmyhal. the verkhovna rada appointed nine new ministers, well, accordingly, after sending resignations to part of the ministers, part of the ministries were acting ministers, new ministers were appointed. so, who came to shmyhal's government? olga stefanich. became deputy prime minister for european integration and minister of justice, andrii sebiga became minister of foreign affairs, oleksiy kuleba, deputy prime minister for reconstruction, minister of community development, herman smetanin, minister for strategic industries, vitaly

koval, minister of agrarian policy, mykola tochytskyi, minister of culture and strategic communications, natalya kalmykova, minister, minister of veteran affairs. matvii bitny minister of youth and sports and svitlana grynchuk, minister of environmental protection, president, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-19. mr. pavle, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. greetings to everyone, friends, greetings, mr. sergey, well, it is not so easy to drive when some traffic lights are turned off, but i am glad, but i am glad that i arrived, i am glad that you are in our studio today, because today was the inauguration of the next foreign minister . rights of ukraine and the resignation of his predecessor. so, dmytro kuleba left position, wrote a resignation letter, did not publicly comment on why he left. andriy sibiga, appointed as the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, was his first deputy in the ministry, previously yermak's deputy and

ambassador to turkey, and another graduate of the mfa system, mykola topytskyi became the minister of culture and strategic communications. how do you rate these shots? reshuffles, is this a usual and understandable rotation in the diplomatic corps and is it clear why it happened exactly like this, well, you took it so super high, well, the inauguration is all for presidents, ministers get their political future and legitimization by voting for the verkhovna rada, well , actually, i am glad that... such a landing of diplomats, well, in the sense of mykola tochytskyi, although he will have a very difficult mission, i will not say there about culture, this is a separate reality, although there is also something to talk about, i am here defending, for example, the post office

square, you know, with such a driven team of volunteers, they say that his predecessor wanted to take away national status, where and in the background, so... there's a lot to talk about but in all seriousness, strategic communications, even this one, which was now the fo, well, in fact, strategic communications is, it is a very difficult reality now, because after all, there is such emotional fatigue, and we need to support this emotion in the world, to support in in the western world, you see how europe is sinking, what is happening in germany with the last election, where... there are populists, from the left, from the right, and these and those are advancing, and i am, by the way, very worried because that next september they can also break the normal game of classic political parties, well, the western world is not like that, and

as for andrii, well, i know andrii, i don't know how many years, 25 or 26 years old, he also has a very, very difficult mission. now, as the elites in the states will change, there will be changes in part in the european union, we are seeing the first very difficult sanctions challenges for us, because the sanctions ship was sailing there slowly, it was difficult, but now the torpedoes have gone on it, especially when i see that the international monetary fund agrees its mission to russia, that's it... i don't like this story neither politically nor emotionally, and this is a real torpedo, but the torpedo is similar to the sanctions ship, not nuclear, i really hope that there is a discussion going on there now, they will review part of it there, but russia is trolling

internationalists in the fund, it still wants a candidate who now under american sanctions and the deputy in the central bank, they want to replace her... as the russian representative in the international monetary fund, there will be another torpedo, and of course, without the americans, this story will not start, so we will have very difficult times, discussions that with by one administration, what with another administration, and we, of course, are in the process. i wanted to clarify that when you talked about the appointment of tochytskyi as the minister of culture and strategic communications, you emphasized strategic communications, we are talking about the fact that in the current situation, in the current status, tochytskyi will engage in propaganda and counter-propaganda in the good sense of the word on behalf of ukraine. of course, but how about strategic ones. communications, they are also strategic, so that we can explain ourselves to the world, so that we can explain what for what

what we do is that we explain what our future plan is, what our strategy is, because otherwise, how will the world support us, and this must be explained to both friends and enemies, i do not mean enemies, namely, because we do not the western world, it is not ours. let's also be honest about that , and this is a very, very difficult story, to build this story for ukraine, well , look, we did all these projects that seem to be focused on some layers, well, there is freedom there, there was an attempt to make and on broadcasting, and that's all, for now let's be honest, that's it it's just... it failed completely, well, fakap on fakap, and there were interesting people who

did it, but systematically the story will not come out of it, and what would i do, even during the war, of course, i don't give advice to anyone there , i would still say, people, let's do some kind of competition there, but who better to do it, well, we need to explain ourselves in foreign languages, well, there are, of course, we don't have french resources or resources there . bbc, but invite people, ask the brits, the french, the spanish, come on we need a few people who would know your mentality, give us a couple of announcers, but we have a cool story, we will prepare the content, we are creative, well, we are creative, so we have to make it really cool, so that it fits, well and we need to reflect everything that is happening now in social networks. you saw, yesterday in the states they killed 32 pages, 32 sites that

tried to influence the american elections, but what are 32 sites, they create thousands of them, and now there is artificial intelligence, so i think that mykola will have super difficult task, but i really, really wish him that everything works out for him, well , we talked a lot with you about the ministry of foreign affairs, and yes... the task is clear, but this is really a very difficult stage, a difficult stage for of foreign policy, so that we, we have to raise the stakes further, well , the exchange rate operation is a cool story, it is really something that can be grasped in the sense of initiative, something that can be changed in the sense of politics, psychology, but all these advantages, which are now tactical, we still need to play them out and... let's talk about strategic ones, and this we can only with our partners, well , that is, the story that will happen now, it will

move very quickly, well, but i hope that i do not really hope, we have to finish here, we have no other way out, we will talk about the kursk operation a little later, i would like to talk to you about one more initiative of zelenskyi, about the creation of the ministry of return of ukrainians, that is, it was announced that there would be such a ministry, this is also foreign policy. of ukraine, both external and internal, can the ministry of return of ukrainians be effective as an institution for for people to return to ukraine? i am a big fan, and i have talked about it a lot in public, in order to create a state institution that would deal with the problems of global ukraine. unfortunately, well, you can count that 8.5 million in total. abroad, but in reality now there are approximately ukrainians abroad, well, with those who began to leave

there at the end of the 19th century, about as many as in ukraine, well, maybe there is a difference of one million to two, in the future there will be more ukrainians abroad, well, that is we will be somewhat similar to the irish, armenians, i’m not saying from the direct point of view, but from the point of view that those who... live outside the borders of their historical homeland, their bi, and they learned to defend their rights superbly, well, in the states, well, biden too, ... has irish roots and irish people, nothing happens there without the irish, and families like the kennedys, without them american history cannot be imagined at all, and i have always been a big fan of such a thing, as zelensky once called it's a ministry of unity, i would call it

a ministry of unity, it's very cool history, or in some other way, to unite all ukrainians. because someone leaves, loses some connections, someone loses emotions about it, someone does not know what to do, and if we start saying that this ministry is only for the return of ukrainians, well, then this is part of politics, for the whole country, for the whole government, and what about all the others, and the ministry of economy - and the ministry of finance - what the whole ministry, and the ministry of security will say in general, but it's not mine, freaks, i'm not involved. as far as i'm concerned, the question of the return of ukrainians is a question of the state and the government, i can't even say who at all it is not related to this, even the ministry of sports, but today it was changed, and it is also indirectly related to that, so it is the same task for everyone, but here is the ministry that took care of ukrainians abroad and

ties with the historical homeland, so that in our there was no division, but it always offends me when it should be about that, the idea of ​​unity is cool, but the idea of ​​returning ukrainians works only when a significant number understands the meaning of security, the meaning of advancement, in fact, well, it was same survey, perspective, and are very different psychologically people, there are people who are not afraid, that's when this crazy situation happened on the 26th. i was, i was going out, i just had an appointment, and well, anxiety, what anxiety, well, a meeting, and here is the grandmother, who works for two of us there, takes care here and there, flowers and so on, and stands, waters, i say, well, well, well, that's it, well, anxiety, she says, anatoliyovych, and then there will be no electricity, as i 'm watering, it's hot, and with such grandmothers,

in principle, it is necessary that such grandmothers are ukrainian. not everywhere felt like ukrainian grandmothers, well, at least there somehow there is a part, and ukrainians, ukrainian students, they would like to do something for ukraine, well, that is, there are always 5, 10, 15 fantastically active people in every community, and there are those who, i'm sorry, don't care, and this story bothers me, therefore, i would definitely create, and it should be headed by someone charismatic, who is respected. all ukrainians, here you can usually shuffle someone there, someone there, and that’s a clear story, we have a personalist model, it relies on zelensky’s charisma and leadership, and he usually looks at who and how, but here this ministry is simply not you to appoint someone like that, that is

, zelenskyi's team is not enough to select a leader, or to get someone who... was so great, who would be respected by all ukrainians, who would have charisma , who would also be able to show leadership, since such a person will come somewhere abroad and say: well, there, what do you need, what do you do for a living, what would you be offered to become a minister? no, it should be, listen, it's like talking about a military government or a national government. unity, today's reality, she understood, is that it is built around a certain closed circle of people who change their positions and positions there, if at some point the logic is revealed, that it will be absolutely, absolutely about something else, where different opinions will be presented, where

they will be presented different strategies, where there will be independent people who defend their... convictions and actually visions, then it will be a completely different story, but now it should be someone who simply respects ukrainians, and i believe that it will be very difficult to find here such a person must be someone who is very, very well known to the absolute majority of ukrainians, both here and here and abroad, eh, well , i think that if they want, they will find, well , i can also mention petro poroshenko, in principle, they definitely know him, they know him in the diaspora , and i think that if zelensky proposed petro poroshenko, it would be a good move on zelensky's part, and i would. and i would take someone super charismatic, some woman, it has to be someone who is many, well, we, we, honestly, it’s

psychology, there are a lot of women who went abroad, it has to be someone, i no sexism i say this for everyone, let those who are men and women not be offended, but it should be such a warm female energy, that is, with those. who is to say who, if one of the tasks is to return ukrainians, it should be charisma, but at the same time warm, i think so, well, let the administrator decide, well, we will see who will be proposed for these positions, well, in the end, there is no one the decision regarding this ministry, yes there is no ministry, no ministry, well, it happens that there is no ministry, there is already a minister, you know, this has happened more than once in the history of ukraine, this is me i agree with you. another topic that will be relevant, obviously, in the next few weeks: zelensky is flying to the un general assembly, there will be a meeting with joseph biden,

zelensky said that he will present to biden a victory plan, but not only to biden, but also to trump and haris, and obviously this victory plan will be worked out by some experts, some specialists, do you know what kind of victory plan it is, and maybe you worked in the expert group. and is it possible to formulate a winning plan without an expert environment, without society, without ukrainians, without those who actually win this victory. i will say right away that i did not work. above that, but many international platforms are considering different options, and i am present there. what will this plan be so as to convince the americans? americans, on the one hand, well, look at what trump is saying, there, we've been there, i think, 150 times, what

harris's policy is going to be, i think she's going to be cautious enough, i just know the people around her, who deal with foreign policy issues, and actually there of national security, we understand very well that in order to... to go forward and win, you need to raise the stakes, are the americans ready to raise the stakes as of today, you see how the history of superheavyweights is going with strikes on russian military facilities, with the provision of weapons, how the whole machine works, how it is actually very, very complicated, so this story is super important, well... and of course, there is already news that zelenskyi said in an interview with nbc news that ukraine will prepare a detailed plan for the end of the war already before of the second peace summit, they previously talked about

the fact that it could be in qatar, this peace summit, well, it is not completely clear, and whether it will be november or not, but in september, as zelensky says, a series of meetings with allies will be organized and international partners. let's listen to what zelensky said. we are preparing important meetings with partners, something that can and should strengthen our positions, not only of ukraine, but also of all of us in europe, all of us in the world, who seek a real end to this war and real joint work to security was never compromised again. this week, next, all of september should be productive for all of us. and above all, it concerns air defense. of our capabilities at the front and in reconstruction, we are preparing meaningful things, the president has repeatedly said that

for a long time, that we are preparing meaningful meetings, we are preparing new proposals, we are demanding more air defense, you see how the russians are shelling the civilian population, is the dynamics of the reception of this information sufficient by our westerners partners and why, if it is insufficient, what is theirs? reason, let's start with the plan. in fact, the plan, or its basic images, can be discussed, there are groups in which there are representatives of both the west and non-west, according to all points of the formula, there you can determine there, at least the basic sequence of steps, even according to some of them if desired once... set a time frame, then put it all together and make a plan. the question is whether this plan will be enough

to bring everyone together. for the second summit, especially non-western countries, will they have the will to to support him, you saw that in switzerland there was even a difficult job of supporting three points, everything must be brought together right away, including the withdrawal of russian troops, and reparations, everything, everything, everything, here is some kind of super... ecstasy from the side of course, there will not be a significant number of non-western countries, and we know very well, now there is a problem, but what is the incentive and what is the profit, or what is the compulsion for russia to appear there, since a significant number of countries, again not western, want appear at the second summit only in presence of russia, that's why i listed

only the super basic questions. and this list for whom i can until the end of our broadcast, but of course i will not, i just want to say that there are many more open questions than those to which we have an answer, of course, the plan that the president is talking about, what he will to present to the americans in a couple of weeks, well, it is largely correlated with another plan, and they all look and... understand whether we, together with our partners, are ready to raise the stakes, that's what you say, but do they accept everything, they , are managed their own logic, they are guided by their own logic, which i call the logic of controlled war, which in relation to us, i believe, is at the very least dishonest, because they invest heavily in deterring russia or. of

us, since we are waging our war, and somewhere in the kremlin they believe that they are waging a war there with the americans from the west, that is, they have their own schizophrenia there, but the fact itself, which should be clear to the americans, for that , to get a victory, as we see it, you need to raise the stakes, and they keep them, well, on levels of constant pressure, but, but no more than that, you and i already talked about the first torpedoes in the sanctions regime, which, which again worries me, i spoke with the americans there, in principle, how is it, how is it possible, and what in this way, it fits into the general logic of pressure on russia, that is, we are entering a very, very difficult period, and without the fact that we further convert into eyes all the advantages

from kursk, which... we talked about, strategic advantages, since now we have a lot advantages and important, but they are tactical, they are for us today, they are tomorrow, but they are not there in the perspective of a process that will force russia to comply, or at least to talk honestly, and now you see what they are doing, they are actually trying to increase it all the time. this pressure on people, psychological pressure, but today there is anxiety, how many hours did it last, then such queues in the subway, well, it is very difficult to get there, but you go, there is electricity there, here it is not, you do not know what will happen tomorrow, that is all creates a situation of uncertainty, that's what i really like about ukrainians, well, almost no one has a sense of fear after these crazy beasts

blows but on the other hand, there is understanding.