all these advantages from kursk that we talked about, strategic advantages, because now we have many advantages and important ones, but they are tactical, they are there for us today, they are there tomorrow, but they are not there in the perspective of the process that will force russia to comply, or at least talk honestly, and now you see what they are doing, they are actually trying... to constantly increase this pressure on people, the pressure is psychological, but today there is anxiety, how many hours did it last, then such queues in the subway, well, it is very difficult to get there, you go, there is there is no electricity here, you don't know what will happen tomorrow, that is, it all creates a situation of uncertainty, that's what i really like about ukrainians, well, almost no one has a sense of fear. after these crazy wild

blows, but on the other hand, this understanding, or the perception, of uncertainty, it, it increases, and today i do not see the american desire to radically, radically raise the stakes, this is what we need in today's reality, i i think it is important for the americans to put putin in his place, and they have already done it to a large extent with their own... logic, but their logic, and they constantly talk about it, the logic of victory is the existence of ukraine as a nation, as an independent democratic state, but for you and me, as ukrainians, this is not enough, since we are about people, about the territories, about the fact that our security will be ensured, and we still have to hear from our partners what's next, they understand very well that even if they will push... us to some kind of

temporary or non-temporary frost, it does not provide security, security must be the same for us, as well as for them, since if we become part of them, part of the west through the eu, i hope, in the future of nato, then there cannot be one security for us, another for poland, another for italy, well yes doesn't work, and they're gradually coming to that logic, but they're going through through... their vision of the sequence, the sequence of steps, and it 's very important here that they realize at some point that the stakes can be raised, so far they're with it, as in me, not just very, but too carefully. putin spoke today at the far eastern economic forum, for some reason he has been so far away from moscow recently, then he flew to azerbaijan, then to chechnya, then... to mongolia, now to the far east, well

, away from moscow, from those regions where ukrainian drones fly, and he is doing the right thing, by the way, in the far east, he will someday fly to the northeast, yes, yes, well, when there will be a ballistic missile that will fly, or from the other side, no one knows, well, yes, or from the other side, right , there is a green wedge, by the way, many ukrainians live far away east, maybe he will fly from there, fly, look, putin is talking about the fact that... we are not against talking with ukrainians about peace talks, and we can hold these peace talks, but we want us to return to the istanbul agreements 22 of the year, he constantly says: let's go back on the basis of the istanbul agreements, we are ready to talk, what is the status of these istanbul agreements, that putin constantly appeals to them, that is, it was a draft that was agreed upon. with

whom he shook in front of foreigners journalists, i.e., is this even a subject for saying, we will talk with ukraine only on the basis of this, because david raham or someone there put a cross on it is not important, it is absolutely, it is something that is in a parallel reality, these agreements, whatever they may be there, are not agreements in the first place, there are rules in diplomacy, agreed when everything was agreed, and if something was not agreed, then nothing was agreed, if it was not there is a signed document, there is no document, there is a process that was in others historical conditions, the beginning of a full-scale invasion, there are different versions of these conversations, so why he wants it, it is completely understandable, because he wants to talk on his... terms, and everyone tells him

putin, well, nothing will happen on your terms, even if we start talking, then on putin's terms, which actually mean more than that. what putin wants to eat there is a very large part of our territory, he wants to always control ukraine, he wants to deprive us of protection, he made demands there, we have so many troops there, so many what, so much that nato does not go there, accept it again in the constitution, by the way, once during the time of yanukovych, we did not have nato in the constitution, and crimea was... then the question arises, well, what next, well , there is no logic in all this, and putin himself does not believe in anything, do you think he believes in some istanbul guarantees or something, he, he does not believe in any guarantees, he perfectly understands that in order to secure his

russia, as he imagines, needs to destroy ukraine, there are no options there, that is, the war can develop. of course to more a hot phase, but rather a cold phase, and our partners can put pressure on us in some ways, and they will certainly put pressure on us, look at how difficult the situation is in europe, not the partners, we have already talked about them with you, they constantly put pressure on us and say, let's have a quick ceasefire there, they say, then it will threaten the level and speed of aid to ukraine. and so we don't get what we need and we don't get it on time, but can you imagine there will be some talks about a cease-fire, the germans now have a complicated internal policy, there everyone will go out and they will say, well, happiness has come, there is a ceasefire, and there is no need to supply ukraine, well, something there for protection in the future, so cool,

we love ukrainians, but now we are in no hurry, there are ammunitions, well, okay, well, that’s enough, but oh well cease fire, so there is no need to shoot. so it may not be necessary to supply them further, well, i’m simplifying there, but i understood what the logic is, and with his talks about negotiations, he wants to multiply all western aid by zero, well, not by zero, but by something that will fundamentally not be to be enough, he will continue to produce for himself, although it has its own economic problems, the economy there is overheated and inflation is increasing now, why is the imf leaving, by the way. of this russia, well, the question is that it is increasing and increasing, but for them, what is the metal oil on the world market, all this, unfortunately, is important, but look at what the european union is doing, well, even, the import of liquefied gas from

russia in 8 months, i looked, almost grew by 14%, that is, the eu is the main importer of russian liquefied gas, neither the chinese nor ... some indians, namely the european union, here are the numbers for you, they are publicly available, and here it is actually necessary sometimes, when you lead this discussion, and look each other in the eye, and a large part of businesses are now in the eu, she whines and says: do we have a little something there there is that russian gas with discounts, we have a difficult production, there is the green revolution, well, it is also difficult, but here we are... we will lose profits, yes , austria, look, almost 90% of russian gas, and then the chancellor comes out and says, well, putin wants negotiations, that's what he said vladivostok, yes, we will quickly collect the site, and as soon as you sit down, we will put a table and chairs for you there, we will even pour

viennese coffee and start talking, and there are many reasons, and european business is skilful and says, you see, the right comes and the left, but what if will be there again. gas with a discount, right here we have everyone here quickly, let's make them happy, as our odessa friends say, and everything will be fine, that is, these conversations should not be underestimated, we started discussions with you there about strategic communications about why for us it is important, and if there is a democratic administration, it will work for the europeans very strongly. by the way, there is hysteria about what trump will do, and they are so afraid of it, they are afraid that no one will protect them, here trump is already saying, not 2%, let's give from the gdp to the nato budget, three. and i, by the way, well, trump is a difficult person, but i support 3% with two hands,

but in poland it is already almost four, well , the armed forces are being armed and developed, and the countries that count theirs there... but do not count , that safety is a value, well, when trump says, why should i protect them if they don't want to protect themselves, and the europeans take this with some offense. and i think that sometimes they miss trump, when i tell them that, they just start, they start some kind of attack, i say, well, people, well, you understand that one day the states will go in one direction, in another, and you and i are europe, we need to defend ourselves in the future world, we need to, if you think it's free, look at ukraine, if you haven't learned anything yet, they say, we 've learned, but how to tell the voters? to them do you want some other things, social benefits, i say, well, go and say it, but

look, all the german politics are sweating, and boris pistorius, the minister of defense, who comes out and says directly that ukraine needs more weapons, that it is ours security, if we lose ukraine, then maybe we will lose ourselves, the most popular politician in germany, so maybe, if we tell the truth, we can also become a popular politician and... at some point, all those who are sweating must understand what will happen one thing, there will be some crazy wave, putin will make migrants there again or so on, and here we need to keep each other in europe, like this, not like this, and not to do all these feints, so our tasks are very, very difficult, even for the next months and the window of opportunity to convert and kursk in strategic advantages from tactical ones... is also not infinite, we understand very well, by the way, exactly one month since

the counteroffensive operation of the armed forces of ukraine began, and in an interview with nbc news, zelenskyi says that ukraine has taken control of part of the russian territory in order to force putin to sit down at the transition table, and at the same time, zelensky did not answer whether ukraine plans to try to seize even more russian territory, let's hear what zelensky said. i won't say, i'm sorry, i can't talk about it, it's like the beginning of our kurdish operation, with all due respect, i can't talk about it, i think the success is very close to surprise, but conceptually you have these territories, but you say , that you don't want to take them away, conceptually we keep them, mr. pavle, what did the kursk... operation of the armed forces of ukraine demonstrate in russia and in the world? she is in russia

demonstrated the vulnerability of the regime, and vulnerability, you understand, is not the same as weakness, strong people or countries can also have their own vulnerabilities, but there is a nuclear state that says: but we are here if putin starts to rock the nuclear topic again , he is weak. since he admitted ukraine to the territory of ukraine, where there is a nuclear state, the largest warhead in the world, and, as they said, the second army in the world, well, if he is weak, then what will he tell his own, and what will he tell the next of the month when the brics summit will be held in kazan, xi will come here, modi lula will come there and putin will say, well, well, what are you going to do next, and putin needs to answer something. in fact, since it is so, it is part of the negotiating position, it is

an initiative, and what is a military initiative is a political one, and actually it is a psychological very cool story, because one thing is the west, and the other thing is not the west, and the west realized that there are no more big and small there, but there are those who are ready to go to the end there in their... defense, since we defend ourselves, and what is happening on the territory of kurshchyna is the right to self-defense, i tell everyone, read the ugoniv charter, well, russia also signed it, and it says the right to self-defense, but it doesn’t say where we have to defend ourselves, maybe in the arctic, maybe there, i don’t know, there in the pacific ocean, on mars, i don’t care, the main thing is that it should be effective, but also on the territory of the enemy, and this... this is a completely logical story, even from the point of view of international rights, so again,

there are many tactical advantages, they are very important, they are military, they are psychological, they are political, both in the world and in russia. i don't think that there will be any kind of uprising in russia now, there will be real monarchists who will say putin, you are not real, you cannot protect our country. kurshchyna everything is under control there, propaganda too, elites, they are behind putin, they are afraid of everything, when they feel weakness, they will start to act, but it is not today's moment. no one knows how stable and permanent the russian regime is, but nevertheless no one wants it to collapse, and the problem is not escalation, the problem is not that the west is afraid of escalation, we often say that the west is afraid, so afraid, but this is part of the answer, the west simply does not want it, the west wants to put putin

there and say putin , here is your place there, in the world and nowhere. in another sense, since putin from the soviet union invented a place for himself on an equal footing with the states, with china, neither the chinese nor the americans, of course, do not see today's russia as their equal, and neither do the indians, it's just that putin still has nuclear weapons, but what he still has, well, a lot of other weapons, in the sense of the economy, well, this is an average country with the same gdp as south korea, or... there is less than the dutch, in terms of technology, well, there is something left, but human resource, human resource, well , they have 140 plus million, but the quality is falling, well , listen, and this central asia goes here and there, but they are still chauvinists there, they

look at them and do not consider them their own, they look at them from the russian positions, they, they are there like... slaves work, so this society for the long term, of course, it, it is not permanent, but now putin is trying to use this war to unify the regime, to gradually reboot personally, well, you see what is happening, here we are watching them arrest the ministry of defense there, but recently they arrested a former deputy minister of defense, who has been working there since the 90s. is this a blow directly at shoigu, who was appointed to the position of secretary 100% there, well, that is, when they take people who worked there with shoigu, well, they take, well, they take, but this is a person, loyal to shoigu worked, and is part of his team, but i understand that in today's

russia only putin gives such orders, but the fsb comes to putin and says, volodymyr volodymyrovych, to arrest? and then he says: yes, yes, of course, and here, in my opinion, some, i won't say stalin times, but something like that, you remember, there stalin arrested one of his relatives and told everyone: "well, okay, well now look." that is, a reboot of part of the elites began there, not all of them, but part of them, and there are very difficult processes there, russia is not so bitonic as it seems to many. yes, well, but the world has its own understanding of what to do with this russia, and as a rule, there is no such understanding, and very often, when we offer this understanding, they say, yes, ukrainians, you are so cool, well, right, we love you, you have a special emotion, you are ready to go forward there, but you are biased, emotional there, well, of course we are

emotional, when you are here in kyiv, it falls here too, and when you look in lviv, it just breaks. brain, i 'll be in lviv on saturday, and there's an older girl there to this family, she who made this event, well , well, this is it for us, you understand, it is for us, all these personal stories, we do not perceive it as there is a picture, and they look and say, well, one more blow is bad for these ukrainians, and i, i do not blame them, this is it this is psychology, that is, they do not live our lives. er, and for them, for many, ukraine was something completely unknown, unimportant, but now our war has become important, and we have to make ukraine important for them, so once again, we return to how we communicate from our partners. magate, headed by raphael

grossi, visited the kursk as and he came to kyiv, met with zelenskyi, then went to zaporizhzhia. and it all looked very strange from the point of view of the media and media support, when he was there in zaporozhye hugging the occupiers who hold our nuclear power plant, and putin today, during the economic forum in vladivostok, threatened to strike ukrainian nuclear power plants, allegedly in response on the ukrainian attacks on the kursk as, let's listen to what he said. you said about nuclear strikes... putin is a nuclear terrorist, i.e. a person who terrorizes not only ukrainians, he is already threatening europe and the whole world, a person who,

perhaps for the first time in the world, seized a nuclear power plant and was not punished for it as a terrorist, i.e. there were no similar cases , this is a challenge for the whole world, for magathe, and raphael grosin, well, probably he should... initiate some sanctions against rosatom, which builds nuclear power plants all over the world, and in mongolia he promised to build a nuclear power plant in the same place, why this nuclear peaceful energy and the development of this nuclear energy, in which russia participates, is not closed to russia because of what they are doing and the zaporizhzhya jsc, from the kursk jsc, i am sure, they can make a provocation and say that it was the ukrainians who hit and. in the power unit? well , magat, they have this turbidity there, because they try both, and that, and that, that is , they do not see themselves on the right side

of history, they see themselves on the side of protecting nuclear safety, that is, they perceive the world technologically from the point of view vision: let's eliminate danger, and... we should not expect more from them, that is, this is really their limit, they will talk to everyone, secondly, are they capable of helping us, i think that at some point putin will try to use zaporizhia as a the object of the trade, well, they don’t get energy from it there anyway, it’s actually in a cold state, and he will finish us there, finish us off, and then... he says: well , here’s this zaes, well there, and come on, he doesn't need her anyway, to raise her from a cold state, here i am with nuclear security

i worked there 20 or so years ago, and i am a physicist by profession, in my opinion, this has never happened in the history of magate, and we will need to create a consortium with europeans, with key companies, in order to bring zaporizhzhia back, well, first we need to take it back. such a political story, and then it will be such a very difficult technical story, and nuclear terrorism, well, of course, this is exactly what, what is their logic, well, the seizure of a nuclear power plant, this is already, in my opinion, an act of nuclear terrorism, even two nuclear power plants, one inactive chornobyl and the other, this, this is the same story, especially since there is also... a storage of spent nuclear fuel and the shelter itself, well, a unique structure, on which so many super bowls,

engineers and physicists worked, and what they do is absolutely there is behavior, let's do it like that, let's do it like that, that's why the story about nuclear plants in general. it somehow started to become cheaper, that's exactly the verb i want to say, but you probably remember the history of the balkan wars, in slovenia there is a kshko station, which is partially owned there croats, and when the first serbian bomb fell nearby, the serbs called, we said, here's one more bomb there, and they will fall on belgrade, and lo... that's when it happened, the serbs gained independence, they lost almost no one in this war , i believe that there is someone in the world who can say something like this to putin, but

why doesn't he want to, for me this is a very big political question, to which i have my own, my own answer, since, united together, it would be possible to say , in general, hands from nuclear plants completely and... and even under conditions of occupation, nuclear plants do not have controlled by the occupiers, i think there should be a magathe, an independent mission, and that should be an international rule, and very clear, and if that doesn't happen, then there should be automatic sanctions that are very strong, and the fact that it's not there makes the world in the glove box, we have had nuclear non-proliferation for 30 years. nine countries were nuclear for 30 years and nine countries are now, and i will tell you that if something goes wrong there, and if we do not get a security model, i tell everyone in mind well,

look at this chinese, you have it around there in 5 years, everyone will be nuclear, they have money from the city, there is the possibility of technology, the bomb is simple to make, yes, who will not make it now, the vietnamese, indonesians, there are koreans, japanese, taiwan, and it will be, and it will be, yes, but already, everyone already has and will have a bomb, and if everyone has a bomb, in fact, then we will understand what... is instability and what is the desire to use it? one last short question about mongolia and putin's move to mongolia, the warrant of the international criminal court is valid, it did not happen in mongolia, let's listen to what he said now former foreign minister kuleba regarding the international obligations of ignoring to the international community of mongolia.

sent them a very clear signal before the visit, it was ignored, we sent a clear signal after the visit started, it was also ignored, we will discuss in ukraine and with our international partners the next steps after the visit of the war criminal to mongolia. mongolia, by the way, is represented in the international criminal court, there is a judge there, and the judge, and they ratified the rome statute, and the judge is there in mk. what can the world do with putin, with a war criminal who travels the world with a warrant from the international criminal court, and this is what i'm saying, the world is actually divided into west and non-west, it's divided into those who have supremacy rights and those who do not, where there are independent bodies of justice, prosecutors' offices, namely, the

national prosecutor's office must arrest. there is a mechanism within the framework, that is, no one should be there, nor should the army come to mongolia for putin, by the way, putin was met there in different ways, they saw these posters, and putin went there, but the mongols, well, first of all, there is a historical story there, when they repelled the japanese, and the mongols helped the soviet union during the second world war, and it went very far, it is... a shadow national dna, but more than that, the mongols know very well, well, how to arrest putin, well, just imagine, the mongols have found strength, political will and say putin, now we will arrest you, and what will they do next, since with on the one hand, the russian army, here is also the chinese army, that is what's next, and it makes sense when they explain there, there's oil, well, it's actually the tip

of the iceberg there, and we... perfectly understand that today international law is something like this, i play here, i don't play here, those whose there is power, and he has the moral and legal right to do something, they can do something, well, what does putin hope for, and unfortunately, it may not be unreasonable, as we saw from this visit to mongolia, remember how many people wanted to kill syrian president assad, and then he... comes to the meeting of the arab league , everyone says, well, assad, well, okay, well arrived, well, so does putin, he believes that at some point, well, civilized people will not shake hands, but everyone else can somehow forgive, we must conclude, thank you, mr. pavle, it was pavlo klimkin, politician and diplomat , and i will remind you that throughout our broadcast we conducted a survey, asking you about whether ukraine needs

a ministry for the return of refugees home. so, 12%, 12% yes, 88% no, we put an end to that, it was the verdict program, goodbye, personnel reshuffles in the government, which of the ministers were dismissed, who on the contrary were promoted in office, and whether the government will strengthen after such personnel changes, we say in today's edition of the bbc. i am olga polamaryuk. the cabinet of ministers needs new energy. this is how volodymyr zelenskyi announced the personnel changes in the government on the eve. reformatting began on the same day. the verkhovna rada dismissed three ministers: justice, environmental protection and natural resources, and the ministry of strategy and industry, as well as the vice-prime minister for european and euro-atlantic integration. and already today, the layoffs continued with the second attempt.