in ukraine, the ministry of repatriation of refugees, so 12%, 12% yes, 88% - no, we put an end to that, it was a program of verdicts, goodbye, personnel reshuffles in the government, which of the ministers were dismissed, who on the contrary were promoted , and will the government strengthen after such personnel? changes we talk on today's edition of the bbc. i am olga palomaryuk. the cabinet of ministers needs new energy. this is how volodymyr zelenskyi announced the personnel changes in the government the day before. reformatting began on the same day. verkhovna rada dismissed three ministers: justice, protection of the environment and natural resources, and the ministry of strategy and industry, as well as the vice-prime minister for european and euro-atlantic integration. and already today, the layoffs continued with the second attempt. would resign the minister

of foreign affairs, the head of the state property fund and the vice prime minister for reintegration, this is far from a complete list of personnel changes this week, but we will talk about everything later, but for now a brief overview of how government officials were dismissed. the largest reshuffle of the government since the time of the full-scale invasion, that is what the western media call the changes in the ukrainian cabinet. the flurry of resignations and dismissals began on september 4 with the head of the ministry of foreign affairs. affairs of dmytro kuleba. due to a lack of votes, the council dismissed him only on the second attempt, on thursday, september 5. in addition to kuleba, parliamentarians agreed to the resignation of oleksandr kamyshin. he said that after that he will work in another position related to defense. olga stefanishyna was dismissed from the post of deputy prime minister for european and euro-atlantic integration. and irina veryshchuk, who also fell under the wave of dismissals, as well as kuleba, was dismissed on the second attempt. the politician herself named. it's a reboot. the changes

affected the ministry of justice and one of the veterans of the government of volodymyr zelenskyi, denys malyuskyu. he headed the department for five long years and says: he is not going to be promoted. if dmytro kuleban did not express his desire to leave the ministry of foreign affairs, his resignation appeared only after the night of negotiations on september 4. notice of probable dismissal denysa malyuski appeared before. however, this time, he assured, it is already final. decision and personally asked the deputies to support his statement. 5 years in office, i have done many things, - told malyusku to the government. for two days, the head of the state property fund, vitaliy koval, who came into big politics from the position of head of the rivne region, was also fired. and ruslan strelets, who headed the department in 2022, already became the ex-minister of ecology. in addition to the cabinet, changes also took place in the office of the president, the post of deputy head of the op was dismissed rostislav shurmu.

it is too early to say whether these changes will have a strong impact on the political life of ukraine, but observers are sure that ukrainians will most likely not even notice the drastic changes. yes, not after the dismissal of a number of ministers, the verkhovna rada began to appoint their replacements. looking ahead, i will say that this is the biggest reformatting of the government of denys shmyhal during his tenure. 10 new ministers are half of the government. so, instead of dmytro kuleba, andrii sebiy became the new minister of foreign affairs. olga stefanishyna from now on, he will be the deputy prime minister for european and euro-atlantic integration of ukraine, as well as the minister of justice. the ministry of regions has a new head, oleksiy kuleba, and the former director of the derzhmaina fund, vitaly koval, is now the minister of agrarian policy. the ministry of foreign affairs, it is this department that is especially important in wartime, considering that now ukraine needs to involve. more financial and

military support from partner countries. what is the reason for dmytro kuleba's change and what can we expect from the new minister? my colleague svyatoslav khumenko analyzes. i would call the replacement of dmytro kolebin by andriy sebig the most mysterious of today's personnel rotations. that is, he was already a former minister, he was young, he was popular, with a well-hung tongue in the good sense of the word. with a good reputation, both inside ukraine and in the west, among ukraine's partners. he built. great contacts on the so-called global rooster during his asian and african tours, and the logic of his replacement was indeed and still is not very clear. actually, my interlocutors in faction of the servant of the people, when i asked them to comment on this event, said something like that foreign policy is the president's prerogative, so we simply supported his decision, they did not express any specific comments about the kuleba, so i dare to assume that this the replacement is connected in... primarily

with such features of volodymyr zelensky's worldview, he, as many people say, is an emotional person, to work with him it is important to be on the same wavelength with him, to move in the same direction with him. in rhythm, it's kind of such a category is even a little irrational, and it seems that at some point the waves of kuleba and zelensky stopped matching, well, this is neither good nor bad, it's just the way it is. well, actually, at the meeting of the servant of the people faction that took place yesterday evening, which was attended by president volodymyr zelenskyi, my interlocutors once again emphasized that only the best epithets were used for hesitation, everyone thanked him in absentia, because he did not come to this meeting, they thanked him for what he did in the ministry, what he did for ukraine in this scrap, so if there are no complaints about it. if we are talking about andrii sebig and about the changes that await the foreign policy of ukraine with his arrival, then most certainly, again, no noticeable, meaningful changes should be expected.

ukraine's priority will remain the struggle for further support of kyiv from kyiv's partners. andriy sebigazh worked as a foreign policy advisor in the president's office until the spring of this year, that is, he. without exaggeration in the course of what the president breathes, if it is about foreign policy, and he will continue to pursue the same line, the state in the field of foreign policy will simply speak with one voice, due to the fact that andriy sebiga is flesh and blood there banker, relatively speaking, and on the other hand, skeptics say that what is the appointment looks like an even greater strengthening of such a key associate of volodymyr zelensky as andriy yarmak, and will ukrainians notice the changes in the government and... what does my colleague think about this? i would not exaggerate the significance of this wave of rotation, any radical change from the government's policy after how they were replaced, almost replaced or promoted, we are already talking about the fact that some acting officials have become full ministers, after these staff rotations

, i would not expect any, if not a radical change in the government's policy, the only thing i would point out what i personally thought was the most interesting, probably... during this wave of rotation, is that our ministry of culture was actually renamed the ministry of culture and strategic communications, and it was headed by a very interesting man, his name is mykola tochytskyi, he is not only super experienced diplomat, and he was, for example, part of the ukrainian delegation at these negotiations with russia, which were in minsk at the very beginning of the great invasion, he also has such an asset that is available to very few, he is yarmak's classmate at the kyiv institute of international relations, and this means that he will have some credibility, some opportunities, some resources in this position, and actually, why does an experienced diplomat become the minister of culture, well, that's what they will call the minister of culture, who will mention strategic communications there, it is said that the emphasis in the activities of this

institution from now on will obviously be aimed at conveying the ukrainian narrative of ukrainian contents to the audience abroad, now it is about... cleaning within the system, the system has not called any new people, whether it is good or bad, but on the other hand, let's not forget that after the start of the full-scale invasion, ukraine actually turned into a super-presidential republic, and in fact , the main center of power, we must state this, became the office of the president, and the cabinet of ministers often performs a function, well, not a technical one, but an auxiliary one to the main center of power, which is... yes, and read more about personnel rotations in the ukrainian government in the article by svyatoslav khomenko on our website bbc.ua. why will ukrainians not notice large-scale changes in the government? i highly recommend reading the article of our colleague. and now

valeriy koluchok, the head of the vezhe public analytics center, joins the broadcast. mr. valery, i welcome you to our broadcast. and immediately you have a question: why these changes in the government during war? it is characteristic that the prime minister remains in office, most of the leaders. ministries replaced? this is an absolutely logical action of the president in view of the ongoing debate in ukrainian society. greetings, friends, first of all, i will immediately go to the answers to the questions, thank you for giving me the opportunity to express my own opinion on the air of your respected channel. sviatoslav has just very aptly described everything that concerns personnel policy, but i will add, with your permission, that in society recently there are quite a lot of they are talking about the fact that... that there are vacant positions of ministers, someone needs to be appointed somewhere, some changes should be made, and several campaigns were launched not from the office of the president, about changing the prime minister of ukraine, a minister at one time applied for this position of digital transformation, fedorov, dismissed before the minister who was engaged in

large-scale construction, kubrakov, also talked about the fact that yulia svorodenko, your minister of economy, can apply for the position, that is, there were many discussions, i apologize, about what... is needed to change the government so that it works more efficiently, that is, there is a request, today it is implemented in this form, of course, that not a single person from the side, from the street or not... from zelenskyi’s team, the team of the president’s office, we read yermak’s teams, in this the government did not appear, in fact, those who were in government positions at various levels were simply appointed or approved for the positions they performed, well, in particular, the minister of youth and sports, and this means that, in general, the government's policy is not will change, it will remain the same, but we now we have an opportunity to discuss that certain shots. rotations took place like this, but should we expect, for example, a reform from these

new faces or new old ones, and if so , what reforms should we expect? and this is just the second question, because you rightly asked why, here we have explained it, i have my own vision of why, and now about the consequences, results, how this verdict will work, of course, you should not expect any other work, because the team and itself, this is the first moment, the second, is assigned in... odnotumtka, which inclined to the president's politics, the president is now strengthening his tools for implementing his own initiatives through the executive branch , strengthening himself, strengthening the head of the president's office, who actively works with him, like in unison. the third point, of course, you cannot expect a different work, because the legislative framework on which this cabinet works does not change . statements that there will be some reforms, a management decision center will be created, and so on, they have gone somewhere... into the past, this is how you can talk about the creation of a new ministry that will deal with communications, establish contacts, as

mr. president said, with local authorities, it has a specific name there, the ministry of reintegration, self-government, well, it is not so important now, the point is clear, maybe in this way the president wants to take over the possibilities of control over local self-government bodies, which will only strengthen its vertical, so talk about some specific change. in the conceptual expression, such a government is not proved, once again to emphasize, the legislative framework does not change, what actually had to start with, as we said even 5-10 years ago, the names and number of committees and governments should correspond in the parliament and in the government, if in the parliament there are committees in the government and others there is no cooperation, then we will not see interaction and effective work of the legislative and executive branches of government, unfortunately, yes, this is what i can state, but given the fact that in 200... to the parliament itself his party, having created a monomajority, he has

the right to do so defined by the constitution and laws of ukraine, he is forming his government, then we will already evaluate the results by apology, give evaluations based on the results, how long will we have to wait? i think not, in the next month or two we will concretely understand what the new government will be capable of. yes, mr. valery, but more precisely. sorry, yes, but there is something new, yes, because during the discussions on the renewal of the government, there were reports of the creation of a new ministry for the return of ukrainians, it seems that the name is already like that, you know something about it, maybe you know about the probable candidacy of the minister, as far as i know, even the servants of the people, among the servants of the people and the president, have not yet decided on a candidate, all the more so that the task must be outlined, which this government will carry out, because... part of the powers should be taken over from the ministry of foreign affairs, since it

is called to contact the governments of other countries, precisely in order to return ukrainians home, and this issue is not urgent, the idea is there, but i even not sure yet that she will be implemented in practice. yes, and we still have time to discuss this with you, but will this rotation of ministers affect ukraine's relations with western partners, yes, because they are watching what is happening in the middle? ukraine has a statement from the us state department that, in principle , they will work with the president as before, but i now see serious feedback, really serious feedback and a big one for the dismissal of the minister of foreign affairs of koleba, many of his colleagues around the world have written relevant comments in his social networks, which proves close cooperation with him. thank you for such a comprehensive answer, for the conversation, the head of the vezhe public analytics center, valery kolychuk , was on our air. thank you, mr. valery. each other well, subscribe to our pages in social networks so as not to miss the most important news, we are traditionally on

facebook, instagram and tiktok, turn on our program tomorrow, as always, at 9 p.m., good luck and take care.

it's a difficult week, and i was thinking when, with what words i would start this program, but we we understand that for 2.5 years all weeks in our

country are difficult, it's just that it's more difficult in some regions, in other... regions it's easier somewhere, at the same time other cities are suffering, this, this week, a lion flew into the city of leva, from which we are currently conducting our broadcast, an incredible terrible tragedy with dozens of people killed took place in poltava and many, many front-line cities, peaceful ukrainians are dying every day, the war of the russian federation on the territory of our state continues, this is the project that says velikiy lviv, despite everything we are working, zooming and trying to see the light at the end of the tunnel. we congratulate everyone who joined us, glory to ukraine, glory to our heroes, we express our sincere condolences to all those who suffered from shelling in lviv and other cities during this week, because it continues, unfortunately, only with literally short pauses , people die , today we will also talk

about those lviv residents who unfortunately died, many are still in the hospital and need help. that's why we must all be united, if you see a request for help somewhere, some gathering where someone is specifically asked to help, we also call on you to join, vitaly portnikov is with us, we are in the first part, which we started on our youtube channel, velikiy lviv speaks in a conversation, we also talked about the shelling of lviv, in particular, you can listen to it when you visit us there, and we have already started the second part by changes in the government of ukraine. because this is something that everyone is hearing today, mr. vitaly has already expressed his opinion about it, but still, based on your answer, mr. vitaly, what political challenges can await us in the near future, because the president's opinion is clear, we made replacement in order to to give some new mail, in every direction this new mail is needed, people

react to it differently, because after all , no elections are possible with us during the war, neither for the president, nor for the parliament, and they should already... be on the way, if we lived in normal conditions, and it turns out that this change in the cabinet of ministers, there is such, you know, some, well, a new impulse, a new wave, something new has happened in us, and everyone can react to it as a fairly positive step, well, i think that people don't care about it at all, to be honest, i will repeat again, if the minister is a political figure, an active participant in the political process, then... his resignation is of interest, if the minister is a manager, i do not think that people are interested in replacing professional managers, even they may have a positive attitude towards them , negative, but they don't just ignore it, it's not part of their social life, so i think most people just don't notice it, well by and large, well the most famous figure there for the general public was the minister of foreign affairs, well it is understandable, because he was constantly

there at work, well, this is the only thing that can cause a reaction, but... again, we had ministers of defense changed already, if you remember, during the war, not only the minister of foreign affairs, i don't think it has any real relation to the political process at all, because there is no political process, as you rightly say, it will start exactly after the war, that is, when in a few years, because you and i understand that we are in a long-term conflict , prospects of its termination or not even a suspension in the foreseeable future, so one way or another we will have to look for some existing formula. the government elected in 2019 until the possibility of an electoral process appears in ukraine, again, it is not known when, under what circumstances, under what conditions, on what territory, with what participation of the population, everything... until which remains precisely such a situation with many unknowns as to the exact continuation of hostilities in the 20s and 30s of this century. and

in the 30s, including on the territory of ukraine? very briefly, mr. vitaly. i would like to remind you that the war between russia and ukraine is already going on in the 10s and 20s of the 21st century. it started in 2014. of course, in the 30s there is a military conflict, it may be in a different form than in the 20s, but you have no guarantee. that we will not become members of nato, that it will continue in some form, at least i assume that it will continue for the entire time vladimir putin is in power in the russian federation or the existence of the czech regime in russia, it just needs to prepare psychologically, and again, we always, when i say the 20s and 30s, everyone cringes, but this is a conflict of the 10s and 20s, it has been going on for 10 years, and the 30s are because of six years, just now. the 24th year is coming to an end, it’s not long, the 30s, that’s all, thank you, vitaly portnikov, journalist, writer, tv presenter, publicist and political commentator,

traditionally at the beginning of the project veliky lviv speaks, the entire recording of this conversation, i’m sure, it will be interesting to you on the youtube channel of the project says velikiy lviv, further from natalka moves to our studio, to ours. another studio, another venue, where there are already guests who will share their thoughts with us today and maybe even discuss, if there is room for discussion. who is with us today? mykola buchyn, political scientist, professor at the lviv polytechnic national university. we welcome you. mykola shchur, call sign santa, veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, deputy mayor of the town. andriyan mikhalchyshyn, an expert on international issues, is with us. congratulations trustey people's deputy of ukraine for five convocations. good evening. vasyl pavlyuk is with us, diplomat, consul general of ukraine in lublin in 2015, 2022. petro

baikovsky, candidate of political sciences, associate professor of the department of political sciences of ucu. good evening. we have already announced several topics today, and if we still attract our audience, who watch us on youtube, in our broadcast on the youtube channel, velikiy lviv says, to the conversation, discussion, we pay attention to your comments, so... write please tell me whether personnel changes in the cabinet of ministers of ukraine are important to you, changes in particular heads of certain ministries, we will clarify this, we will delve into it, but we ask you, as viewers, as the ukrainian community, to what extent you feel this for yourself, this week a great tragedy happened in the city of leva, this week rockets flew middle ground architectural monuments were damaged, the whole world is talking about it, and we will start this broadcast with footage from there, as far as i understand, we are now

in direct contact with us, actually from the place where the russian missile hit, a journalist, about something says velikiy lviv, oleg yanko, we see olezhe, we see you, we see the elizaveta spire of the olezhe temple. please, i know that you have guests, you have a word. greetings to the studios, we are currently working on brativ mikhnovsky street and this is where one of the russian rockets landed, from my side we can see the house that actually became the epicenter of the hit, part of this house was damaged, the walls were demolished, throughout yesterday and throughout today people clean their apartments and take all their construction waste in a container, apart from that some of the windows are already... they have already sealed with a film, as well as the neighboring house, which is on the side, there are also broken windows, and i want to say that the business, which was also damaged, is already returning to

its place here, goods are already being delivered to the shops, and some shops have even started working , and as for what the victims and consequences were in general yesterday, more than 100 houses were damaged, 20 of them are in a critical condition, and the city authorities called on businesses to join the reconstruction of the city. in addition, i want to say that seven people died as a result of yesterday's rocket attack , six of whom were pulled out from under the rubble on konovaltsia street, another woman died on melnyka street, people will be buried tomorrow and on saturday, and part of the people will be buried at the lychakivskyi cemetery, some will be buried at yanivskyi, and one more woman will be buried in the village of zimna voda, near i am now mrs. galina prokop, she is a resident of one of the houses which... is adjacent to the epicenter where the rocket hit, ms. galina, tell me in general where you were yesterday at this moment around 6:00 a.m. and what you felt like everything was happening, around six in the morning i

was at home. unfortunately, i didn't hear the alarm because i was sleeping very soundly, i heard the sound of shaheeds, i got up, ran to pick up the children, but at that moment i heard the first explosion, which was a little further away, we were trying to get out of the apartment and here we are there was a very powerful explosion, everything around caught fire, it seemed from the windows that the explosion was just around our... house not directly in the windows, it was felt like this displacement, as if an earthquake had occurred, because we all fell to the ground in this moment from of the explosive wave, all the windows and doors opened at once, well, everything that could, the ceiling collapsed, the light bulbs also fell from the ceiling at the moment of the explosion, well, we ran down the stairs, since what we were in, we ran, and

also started to run out ... our neighbors, somewhere, when we reached the third floor, another flight took place, we felt that an explosion took place somewhere very close, we tried to get to the parking lot, and in the parking lot we ran out here into the street, but here everything was already littered with debris and burning debris from the explosion, we could not immediately get to... well, to our parking lot, the underground parking lot, we climbed over the fence and got there, but after a couple of seconds , the cars started exploding, because all the cars standing nearby caught fire, they started exploding, and all this smoke began to roll, well, to the basement, well, for that reason, we left, well

, we went inside the yard by a different route, here... other residents of our house had already gathered, that's how it happened exactly at this moment, how many people were in shelters? very much, i unfortunately, i did not manage to count, there was also one wounded person in the shelter, a man, probably by his fragments, this one was injured, but did they provide him with medical assistance in the shelter directly, we called an ambulance. unfortunately, we did not have the means to provide medical assistance, we were also looking for medics, well, he was on his feet, he was walking, the only thing was that he was injured, but the ambulance came, the ambulance came and provided him with medical help, i can't say in terms of quantity, unfortunately, i don't have many, there are a lot of people was in hiding, how do you feel today and in general, first of all psychologically, have you moved away from that state of shock, well, it's

very... scary actually, because any noise that resembles chess, a flash, or even today somehow the windows were glinting, and all this reminds me of what happened that day, well, these are the ones, it brings back the memory, it brings back the moment definitely, and your apartment, do you need any possible help, look, we have a problem in well... all residents have a problem with, because there, in addition, that broke people's windows, debris flew into people's living quarters, i know about such people who have such damage, whose wall cracked, but somewhere on this side there is damage to the wall, broken cabinets, broken handrails, bent railings, i also understand that ...

the tile flew where, everything that fell on the way into the debris, it is also gutted and broken, there is also a problem with the roof, in the residents of three residents, three apartments on the roof, burning fragments fell on this side, and there was a fire on the roof, accordingly there are burnt rafters and there is a perforation of the roof, the firemen were working, they were flooding it all and i... that these two apartments, they are also currently flooded with water due to rescue procedures, in my apartment, above my apartment, i also suspect that there is damage to the roof structure because there is a feeling that, well, first of all, there is displacement, deformation, that we can see the middle of the roof structure, the window frames are deformed.