so putin says that we are not against talks with ukrainians about peace talks and we can hold these peace talks, but we want us to return to the istanbul agreements of 22, and he keeps saying: let's go back, based on of the istanbul agreements, we are ready to talk about the status of these istanbul agreements, that putin constantly appeals to them, so... it was a draft of what agreements he was shaking in front of foreign journalists, that is, is this even a subject for saying, we will be with ukraine speak only on the basis of this, because david rahamia or someone there put a cross on no, it is not important, it is absolutely, it is something that is in a parallel reality, these agreements, whatever they are there, are not agreements in... diplomacy

are rules, they agreed when everything was agreed, and if something was not agreed, then nothing was agreed, if it is not a signed document, there is no document, there is a process that was in other historical conditions , there is the beginning of a full-scale invasion there are different versions of these conversations, so why he wants it is completely clear, only he wants to talk on his terms, and everyone tells him putin, well, there will be nothing on your terms, even if we start talking, then on putin's terms, which actually mean not only that putin wants to eat a very large part of our territory there, he wants to always control ukraine, he wants to deprive us of protection, there he made demands, there are so many. we have troops, so much

, so much that you don't go to nato, there accept it again in the constitution, by the way, once during the time of yanukovych, we did not have nato in the constitution, and the crimea took place, then the question arises, well, what next, well, there is not even logic in all this, and even putin himself does not believe no what do you think he believes in some istanbul or something, he, he doesn't believe in any guarantees. he perfectly understands that in order to secure his russia, as he imagines, it is necessary to destroy ukraine, there are no options there, that is, the war can develop, of course to a hotter phase, but it is more of a cold phase, and our partners can put pressure on us in many ways, and they will certainly put pressure on us, look at how difficult the situation is in europe, not partners, you and i have already

talked about... they are constantly pressuring us and saying, let's there is a quick cease-fire, they are told, then it will threaten the level and speed of aid to ukraine, and so we do not get what we need and we do not get it on time, but can you imagine there will be some talks about a cease-fire, the germans now have a complicated internal policy, there everyone will come out and say, well, that's how happiness has come, the end fire, but no. we need to supply ukraine, well, something there for protection in the future, so cool, we love ukrainians, but now we’re in no hurry, there’s ammunition, well, okay, well, that’s enough, but hey, there’s a ceasefire, so there’s no need to shoot, maybe not they need to be supplied further, well, i’m simplifying there, but i understood the logic, and with his talks about negotiations, he wants to multiply all western aid by zero, well, not by zero, but... by

something that we will fundamentally lack, will continue to produce for himself, although it has its own economic problems, the economy there is overheated and inflation is now increasing, why is the imf, by the way, going to this russia, well, the question is that it is increasing and increasing, but for them, that there are metals , oil, the world market, everything this, unfortunately, is important, but look at what the european union is doing, well... even the import of liquefied gas from russia in 8 months, i looked at 14% almost increased, that is, the eu is the main importer of russian liquefied gas, nor the chinese and not some hindus, namely the european union, here are the numbers for you, they are in open access, and here you actually need sometimes, when you have this discussion, and look each other in the eye, and significant. part of the businesses

are now in the eu, she whines and says: we still have a little bit of that russian gas with discounts, it’s difficult for us, production, there ’s the green revolution, well... it’s also difficult, but we will lose some profits here, yes, austria, look, almost 90% of russian gas, and then the chancellor comes out and says: well, putin wants negotiations, he told vladivostok, so we here's the site, we'll quickly gather the people, and sit down, we'll put a table there, chairs, even pour coffee in viennese, and start talking, and there are many reasons, and european business snorts and says, you see, the right ones are coming. the leftists, but if there will be gas with a discount again, then we will have everyone here quickly, let's make them happy, as our odessa friends say, and everything will be fine, that is, these conversations should not be underestimated, we are there with you discussions began about strategic

communications, about why it is important for us, and if there is a democratic administration, it will work for... with the europeans very strongly, the europeans, by the way, are hysterical about what trump will be, and they are so afraid of it, they are afraid that no one will protect them, here trump is already saying, not 2%, let's from gdp to the nato budget, three. i, by the way, well, trump is a difficult person, but i support 3% with two hands, well , no, but in poland, it is already almost four, and well, the armed forces are being armed and developed, and... the countries that count there their budget, but do not consider that security is a value, well, when trump says: why should i protect them, if they don't want to defend themselves, and the europeans take it with some offense, and i think that sometimes they miss trump,

when i tell them that, they just start, they start some kind of attack, i say, well, people, well you understand that when to stand on one side. they will go to another, and we are europe, we need to defend ourselves in the future world, we need, if you think it is free, look at ukraine, if you have not learned anything yet, they say, we have learned, but how to tell this to the voters , they want some other social things payments, i say, well, go and say, well , look, all this german politics is sweating, and boris pistorius, the minister of defense, who comes out and says in plain text: that ukraine needs more weapons, that this is our security, if we lose ukraine, then maybe we will lose ourselves, the most popular politician in germany, so maybe, if we tell the truth, we can also become a popular politician, and at some point all those who are sweating must

understand that one thing will happen, there will be some crazy wave, putin again will make migrants there or so on, and here we need to stick to each other in europe, like this, not like this. and not all these feints should be done, therefore our tasks are very, very difficult, even for the next months, and the window of opportunity for converting kursk into strategic advantages from tactical ones is also not infinite, we understand perfectly well, thing, exactly a month since the counteroffensive operation of the armed forces of ukraine began and in an interview with nbc news, zelenskyi says that ukraine has taken control of a part of russian territory. zelensky did not answer whether ukraine is planning try to seize even more russian territory, let's listen to what zelensky said. i won't say, i'm sorry, i can't

talk about it, it's like the beginning of our kurdish operation, with all due respect, i can't talk about it. i think success is very close to surprise. but conceptually you have these territories, but you say you don't want to take them away. conceptually, we keep them. mr. pavle, what did the kurdish operation of the armed forces of ukraine demonstrate, both in russia and in the world. in russia, she showed vulnerability regime, and vulnerability, you understand, is not the same as weakness in the strong. people or countries may also have their own vulnerabilities, but there is a nuclear state that says: but we are here, if putin starts to raise the nuclear issue again, he is weak, because he allowed ukraine to enter

the territory of ukraine, where there is a nuclear state, the largest in the world warhead, and as they said, the second army in the world, well, if he is weak, then what will he tell with his... and what will he tell next month, when the brics summit will meet in kazan, everyone will come here , there modi, lula, and putin will say, well, well, what are you going to do next? and putin has something to answer for, in fact, since it is so, this is part of the negotiating position, this is an initiative, and what is a military initiative is a political one, well, actually, this is a psychological very cool story, since one thing is the west, and the other thing is not the west, and the west has realized that there are no more big and small there, but there are those who are ready to go to... this is there in its defense, since we are defending ourselves, and what

is happening on the territory of the kurshchyna, this is the right to self-defense, i tell everyone, read it the ugoniv charter, well, russia also signed it, and it says the right to self-defense, and it doesn’t say where we should defend ourselves, maybe in the arctic, maybe there, i don’t know, there in the pacific ocean, on mars, i don’t care, the main thing is to be effective, but including. on enemy territory, and this is a completely logical story, even from the point of view of international law, so again, there are many tactical advantages, they are very important, they are military, they are psychological, they are political both in the world and in russia, i i don't think that will happen in russia now some kind of uprising, there will be real monarchists who will say putin, you are not real. you can't defend our kurshchyna, everything is under control there, propaganda too, the elites,

they are behind putin, they are afraid of everything, when they feel weakness, they will start to act, but, this is not today's moment, no one knows how stable and stable the russian regime, but nevertheless, no one wants it to collapse, and the problem is not escalation, the problem is not that the west is afraid of escalation, but in our country they often say that the west is afraid. it is so afraid, but it part of the answer. the west simply does not want her. the west once again wants to put putin there and say: putin, this is your place there, in the world and nowhere else, because putin from the soviet union invented a place for himself on a par with the states, with china. neither the chinese nor the americans, of course, see today's russia as their equal, and neither do the indians. i don’t see, it’s just that putin still has nuclear weapons, and what else does he have, well, many other weapons, in

the sense of the economy, well, this is an average country with the same gdp as south korea, or there is less than the dutch, from the point of view of technology, well , there is something left, but human resources, human resources, well, they have 140 plus million, but the quality has fallen. and this middle asia goes there and there, but they are chauvinists there anyway, they look at them and do not consider them their own, they look at them from russian positions, they, they work there like semi-slaves, so this society is for the future, of course , it, it is not permanent, but now putin is trying to use this war to unify the regime to gradually reboot. well you you see what is happening, here we are watching how they are arresting

the ministry of defense there, but recently they arrested a former deputy minister of defense, who shoigu has been working there since the 90s, is this a direct blow to shoigu, who was appointed to the post of secretary there 100%, well , that is, when they hire people who worked there with shoigu, well, they do, well, they do, but this is... a person who is loyal to shoigu worked and is part of his team, but i understand that such only putin gives orders in today's russia, but the fsb comes they say to putin, vladimir volodymyrovych, to arrest, putin says, of course, and here, as some people turn on me, i won't say stalin's times, but something like that, you remember, there stalin arrested one of his relatives and told everyone, well, okay , well now look. that is, a reboot of part

of the elites began there, not all of them, but a part of them, and there are very difficult processes there, russia is not as big as it seems to many, but the world has its own understanding of what to do with this russia, and as a rule there is no this understanding, and very much often, when we offer this understanding, they say, yes, ukrainians, you are so cool, well correct, we love you, you have a special emotion, you are ready to go forward there, but you are biased, there are emotional, well of course we are emotional, when you are here in kyiv, it also falls here, when... you look in lviv, it just breaks the brain, i will be there in lviv on saturday and the eldest girl in this family is there, she was just doing this event, well well, that's it for us, you see, it's all these personal stories for us, we don't perceive it as there is a picture, and they look, they say, well

, one more blow, damn these ukrainians, and i don’t blame them, it’s psychology, that is , they... live our lives, and for them, for many, ukraine was something completely unknown, unimportant, but now our war has become important, and we have to make it important for ukraine and for them, so once again, we return to how we communicate with our partners. magate, headed by raphael grossi, visited kursk as, and he came to kyiv. met with zelensky, then went to zaporizhzhia os. and, it all looked very strange from the point of view of the media and media support, when he was there in zaporozhye hugging the occupiers who hold our nuclear power plant, and putin today, during the economic forum in vladivostok, threatened to strike ukrainian nuclear

power plants, allegedly in response to ukrainian attacks on kursk as. let's hear what he said. they said did you say about the strikes on the nuclear power plant? yes, yes, these are very dangerous terrorist attacks, one can only imagine what will happen if we start responding mirror, what will happen to this whole part of europe? putin is a nuclear terrorist, that is , a person who terrorizes not only ukrainians, he is already submerging europe and the whole world, a person who is probably the first in the world. seized a nuclear power plant and was not punished for it as a terrorist, that is , there were no such cases, this is a challenge for the whole world, for magate, and raphael grossi, well, i guess he should initiate some sanctions against rosatom, which builds nuclear power plants all over the world and in mongolia in the same he promised to build

to a nuclear power plant, why this nuclear peaceful energy... and the development of this nuclear energy, in which russia participates, is not closed to russia, because of what they are doing with the zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant and the kursk nuclear power plant, i am sure they can make a provocation and say that it was the ukrainians who hit the power unit there, well, magate, they have such a mess there, due to the fact that they try this, and this, and that, that is, they do not see themselves on the right side of history, they see themselves... on the side of protecting nuclear security, that is, they perceive the world technologically, from the point of view: let's eliminate the danger, and we shouldn't expect more from them, that is, this is really their limit, they will talk to everyone, secondly,

are they capable of helping us, i think that in some way moment putin will try to use zaporizhzhya as a bargaining chip, well , they don't get energy from it there anyway, it is actually in a cold state, and he will finish us there, finish us off, and then he will say: well, then this zares, well there, come on, he doesn't need her anyway, raise it from a cold state, but i was engaged in nuclear safety there 20 something years ago, and and ... a physicist by profession, this, in my opinion, in the history of magate, this has not happened, and we will need to create a consortium with europeans with key companies in order to raise zaporizhia back, well , first you need to take it back, this is such a political story, and then it will be such a very difficult technical story, and nuclear terrorism, well,

of course, this is exactly what, what is their logic, well, admiration . of a nuclear plant is already, in my opinion, an act of nuclear terrorism, even two nuclear plants, one defunct, chernobyl and the other zaporizhzhia, this is the same story, especially since there is also a storage of spent nuclear fuel, and the actual shelter itself, well, a unique structure on which so many super-scientists, engineering and... . and physics, and what they are doing is absolutely there behavior, let's do it, let's do it, that's why the story... about nuclear plants, it somehow started to get cheaper, that's exactly the verb i want

say, do you probably remember the history of the balkan wars, in slovenia there is a kshko station, which is partly owned by the croats, and when the first serbian bomb fell nearby, the serbs called and said, one more bomb there and... they will go to belgrade to fall, and that's when it happened, the serbs gained independence, they lost almost no one in this war. i believe that there is someone in the world who can say something like this to putin, but why does he not want to, but for me this is a very big political question, to which i have my own, my own answer, since together united, you could say, in general , hands off... nuclear plants completely, and even under occupation, nuclear plants should not be controlled by the occupiers, i believe that

there should be magate, an independent mission, and this should be an international rule and very clear, and if this does not happen, then there should be automatic sanctions, very tough, and the fact that there is no such thing makes the world such a mess, we will not spread nuclear ... it has been going on for 30 years, nine countries have been nuclear for 30 years and nine countries now and i'll tell you what if something will go wrong there, and if we don't get a security model, i'm telling everyone, look at the chinese, everyone around you will be nuclear in 5 years, they have money, the city has money, the possibility of technology, a simple bomb to do it, yes, who won't do it now, the vietnamese, the indonesians, there... the koreans, the japanese, taiwan, and it will be, and it will be, and it already is, and everyone will have a bomb, and if everyone

has a bomb, in fact, then we will understand what instability is, and what is the desire to use it, one more very final, short question, regarding mongolia and putin's move to mongolia, the warrant of the international criminal court is valid, it did not happen in mongolia, we are listening to what the now former foreign minister kuleba said about the international obligations of ignoring mongolia to the international community. we sent them a very clear signal on the eve of the visit, it was ignored. we sent a clear signal after the visit started, it too is being ignored. we will discuss in ukraine and with our international partners. mongolia, among other things, is represented at the international criminal court, there's a judge there, and a judge, and they

ratified the rome statute, and there's a judge there in the icc, what can the world do with putin, with a war criminal who travels the world with a warrant from the international criminal court, and that's what i'm saying, the world really is divided into not... not that the west is not the west, it is divided into those who have the rule of law and those who do not, where there are independent bodies of justice, prosecutors' offices, namely the national prosecutor's office should arrest, there there is a mechanism within the framework, but no one should be there, nor should the army to come to mongolia for putin, by the way, putin was met there in different ways, seen, and these posters, and putin went there... uh, but the mongols, well, first of all, there is a historical story there, when they fought back the japanese, er, and the mongols also helped

the soviet union during the second world war, and it was very ingrained, it is part of the national dna, but what’s more, the mongols know very well how to arrest putin, well, just imagine, the mongols found i have the power, the political will, and they say putin, now i will arrest you... well, that's it what will they do next, since on the one hand there is the russian army, there is also the chinese one, so what next? and when they explain there, there is oil, well, it is actually the tip of the iceberg there, and we perfectly understand that today international law is something like this, here i play, here i do not play, those who have power and those who have the moral and legal right to do something, they can do something, well, but... what does putin hope for, unfortunately, it may not be unreasonable, as we saw from this visit to mongolia, remember how many people wanted to kill...

syrian president assad, and then he comes to the meeting of the league of arab states, and everyone says, well, assad, well, well, well, he came, well, there, so does putin, he believes that at some point, well, civilized people will not shake hands , but everyone else can somehow forgive us, we have to conclude, thank you, mr. pavle, it was pavlo klimkin, a politician and diplomat, and i will remind you that throughout our broadcast we conducted a survey, asking you about this, if it was necessary. in ukraine , the ministry of repatriation of refugees, so 12%, 12% yes, 88% - no, that's what we're betting on period, it was the verdyk program, bye. in september, there are discounts on amiksyn ic, 10% in

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