rizma, who would also be able to show leadership, since such a person will come somewhere abroad and say, well, it's there, and what do you need, and what do you live on? what would you be offered to become a minister? no, it should be, listen, it's like talking about a military government or a government of national unity, today's reality, she understood, and it is built around uh... a certain closed circle of people who change their positions and positions there, if at some point , the logic will be revealed that it will be absolutely, absolutely about something else, where it will be presented different opinion, where different strategies will be presented, where there will be independent people who defend their convictions and actually visions, then it will be a completely different story, but now this... there must be someone who simply

respects ukrainians, and i believe that it will be very difficult to find such a person here, it must be someone who is very, very well-known to the absolute majority of ukrainians both here and here and abroad, well, i think that if they want , they will find one, well, i can also mention petro poroshenko, in principle he is definitely known in the diaspora, i think it would be petro poroshenko a good move on zelenskyi's part, and i would, i would take someone super charismatic, some woman, who should it be someone who is many, well, we, we are honest, it's psychology, there are a lot of women who went abroad, it must be some, i say this without sexism for everyone, let those who like us be men without sexism. no offense, but

it should be such a warm female energy, that is , with those who talk who, if one of the tasks is to return ukrainians, it should be charisma, but at the same time warm, i think so, well, let the administrator decide, well, we will see who will be proposed for these positions, well, in the end, there is no decision regarding this ministry, yes , there is no ministry, no ministry, well, it so happens that there is no ministry, there is already a minister, you know, this has happened more than once in history, i agree with you, yes, another topic that will be relevant, obviously for the next few weeks, zelensky is flying to the un general assembly, there will be a meeting with joseph biden, zelensky said that he will present biden with a winning plan, but no only to biden, but also to trump and harris, and obviously some experts, some specialists are working out this victory plan. do you know

what kind of victory plan this is, and maybe you worked in the expert group, and is it possible to formulate a victory plan without an expert environment, without society, without ukrainians, without those who actually win this victory, i will say right away that i did not work over this, but many international platforms are considering different options, and there i am present, which... who will this plan be so as to convince the americans? americans, on the one hand, well look at what trump is saying, we 've said it over there, i think, 150 times, what harris' policy is going to be, i think she 's going to be cautious enough, i just know the people around her who are dealing with foreign policy issues , and... national

security, we understand very well that in order to go forward and win, we need to raise the stakes, are the americans ready to raise the stakes as of today, you see how super heavy the story is going with the strikes on the russian military projects, with provision weapons, how the whole machine works, how very, very complex it really is. therefore, this story is super important, and of course, there is already news that zelenskyi said in an interview with nbc news that ukraine will prepare a detailed plan for the end of the war already before the second peace summit, they previously talked about the fact that it could to be in qatar this peace summit, well, it is not completely clear, and whether it will be november or not, but in september, as zelensky says, a series of meetings with allies and international organizations will be organized.

partners, let's listen to what zelensky said. we are preparing important meetings with partners, something that can and should strengthen our positions, not only for ukraine, but for everyone. of us in europe, of all of us in the world, who want a real end to this war and real work together so that security is never broken again. this week, next, all of september should be productive for all of us. and above all, it concerns air defense, our capabilities at the front and in recovery. we prepare meaningful things. the president repeatedly talks about the fact that for a long time about the fact that we we are preparing meaningful meetings, we are preparing new proposals, we are demanding more air defense, you see how the russians are shelling the civilian population, are the dynamics of the perception of this information on the part of our

western partners sufficient and why, if it is not sufficient, what is their reason? let's start with the plan, actually the plan... or its basic outlines can be discussed there, there are groups in which there are representatives of both the west and non- west, on all points of the formula, there you can determine at least the basic sequence of steps, even at will for some of them set a time frame, then it's all about making a plan, the question is... will this plan be enough to gather everyone for the second summit, especially the non-western countries, will they have the will to support it, you saw that in switzerland, there was even a difficult task of

supporting three points, everything needs to be brought together right away, including the withdrawal of russian troops and... reparations and all-all-all there will be no superext from a significant number of countries, of course, and we we know very well, now there is a problem, and what is the incentive and what is the profit or what is the compulsion for russia to appear there, since a significant number of countries, again not western ones, want to appear at the second summit only in presence. of russia, so i have listed only the super basic questions for you, and this list can be followed by the end of our vieter, but of course i will not, i just want to say that there are many more open questions than those to which we have an answer, of course , the plan

that the president is talking about, which he will present to the americans in a couple of weeks, eh he is, to a large extent, reigning. with a different plan, and they all look and understand, are we ready to raise the stakes together with our partners, you say, but do they accept everything, they are guided by their own logic, they are guided by their own logic, which i call the logic of controlled war, which, in relation to us, i believe is at least dishonest. because they are heavily invested in containing russia through us, because we are waging our war, and somewhere in the kremlin they believe that they are waging a war there with the americans from the west, that is, they have their own schizophrenia, but the very fact that

it should be clear to the americans that in order to get a victory, as we see it, it is necessary to raise the stakes, and they have them... at the same level constant pressure, but, but no more than that, you and i already talked about the first torpedoes in the sanctions regime, which, which again worries me, i spoke with the americans there, in principle, how is it, how is it possible, and in what way this fits into the general logic of pressure on russia, that is, we are entering a very, very difficult period, and without that we... further consider all the advantages from kursk, which we talked about, into strategic advantages, because now we have many advantages and important ones, but they are tactical, they are for us today, they are tomorrow, but their there is no prospect of a process that will force

russia to comply, or at least to talk honestly, and now you see what they are doing, they are... really trying to constantly increase this pressure on people, the pressure is psychological, but today there is anxiety, how many hours has it been going on. .. then such queues in the subway, well, it is very difficult to get there, but you go there there is electricity, there is none here, you don’t know what will happen tomorrow, that is, it all creates a situation of uncertainty, that’s what i really like about ukrainians, well, almost no one has a sense of fear after these wild animal attacks, but on the other hand, there is understanding this, or the perception of uncertainty, it is wrong. and today i do not see the american desire to raise rates radically, radically. this is

what we need in today's reality. i think it's important for the americans to put putin in his place, and they 've largely already done that with theirs logic, but their logic, and they constantly say it, the logic of victory is the existence of ukraine as a nation, as independent. a democratic state, but for you and me, as for ukrainians, this is not enough, since we are talking about people, about territories, about the fact that our security will be ensured, and we still need to hear from our partners what is next, they understand very well that even if they will push us to some kind of temporary or non-temporary freeze, it does not provide security, security must be the same for us as for them, because if we... we become part of them, part of the west through the eu, i hope, in the future nato, then

there cannot be one security for us, another for poland, another for italy, well, it doesn’t work like that, and they are gradually moving towards this logic, but go through their vision of sequence, sequence of steps, and here it is very important that they understand at some point that... the stakes can be raised, so far they are not just very, but too careful with this, in my opinion. putin spoke at the far eastern economic forum today, he for some reason he has been so far from moscow lately, then he flew to azerbaijan, then to chechnya, then to mongolia, now to the far east, well, far from moscow, from those regions where ukrainian drones fly, and he is doing the right thing, by the way. in the far east, it will someday come to the northeast, yes, yes, well, when there will be a ballistic missile that will fly, or from

the other side, no one knows, well, yes, or from the other side, the truth is, there is a green wedge, by the way , many ukrainians live in the far east, they can fly from there, fly, look, putin is talking about the fact that we are not against talks with ukrainians regarding peaceful transitions, and we can hold these peace talks, but we want us to... return to the istanbul agreements of 22 and he keeps saying: let's go back on the basis of the istanbul agreements, we are ready to talk, which the status of these istanbul agreements, that putin constantly appeals to them, i.e. it was a draft, what kind of agreements he was shaking in front of foreign journalists, i.e. is this even a subject for saying "we'll get on with it". speak only on the basis of this, because david rahamya,

it doesn’t matter whether someone there has put a cross on it, it is absolutely, it is something that is in a parallel reality, these agreements, whatever they are there, first of all, they are not agreements, there are rules in diplomacy, they agreed when everything was agreed upon, and if we didn't agree on something, then we didn't agree on anything, if it's not a signature.' document, there is no document, there is a process that was in other historical conditions, there was the beginning of a full-scale invasion, there are different versions of these conversations, so why he he wants to, it's completely understandable, since he wants to talk on his terms, and everyone tells him putin, well, nothing will happen on your terms, even if we start talking, then on putin's terms, which actually... means not only that that putin wants to eat a very large part of our territory there, he

wants to always control ukraine, he wants to deprive us of protection, he made demands there, we have so many troops there, so many things, so many things that do not go to nato, accept them there this is again in the constitution, by the way once upon a time, during yanukovych's time, we didn't have nato... that, but crimea happened, then the question arises, well, what's next, well, there's even no logic in all this, and putin himself doesn't believe in anything, do you think? he believes in some... istanbul or something, he, he does not believe in any guarantees, he perfectly understands that in order to secure his russia, as he imagines, it is necessary to destroy ukraine, there are no options there, that is, the war can develop , of course, to a hotter phase,

but more to a cold phase, and our partners they can put pressure on us, and they will certainly press us. look at how difficult the situation is in europe, not partners, we have already talked about it with you, they are constantly pressuring us and saying, let's have a quick ceasefire there , they are told, then it will threaten the level and speed of aid to ukraine, and it is not we get what we need and we don't get it on time, but can you imagine there will be some talks about a ceasefire. the germans now have a complicated domestic policy. and everyone will come out there and say, well, happiness has come, there is a cease- fire, but there is no need to supply ukraine, well, something there for future protection, that’s great, we love ukrainians, but we’re not in a hurry now, there’s ammunition, well, okay, that’s enough, but hey, there’s a cease-fire, so there’s no need to shoot, so maybe there’s no need to supply them any further, well i'm simplifying there, but i understood

the logic, and with his talks about negotiations, he wants to multiply western aid by zero, well, not by zero, but by something that we will fundamentally lack, and will continue to produce for ourselves, although he has his own economic problems, there is the economy overheated, and now inflation is increasing, why is the imf, by the way, going to this russia, well , the question is that it is increasing and increasing, but for them, what are the metals, oil , the world market, all this, unfortunately.

look each other in the eye, and a large part of businesses are now in the eu, she whines and says: we still have a little bit of that russian gas with discounts, it's difficult for us, production, there's that green revolution, well, it too complicated, but we will lose some profits there, yes , look at austria, almost 90% of russian gas, but then the chancellor comes out and says, well, putin wants to negotiate there with...

well, right here, we will quickly make them happy, as our odesa friends say and... and everything will be fine, that is, these conversations should not be downplayed , you and i started discussions there about strategic communications, about why this is important for us, and if there is a democratic administration, it will work with the europeans very strongly, the europeans, by the way, are hysterical about what trump will be, and they they are so afraid of it, they are afraid that no one will have them defend, here trump already says no... 2%, let's give it to the nato budget from gdp, three. i, by the way, well, trump is a difficult person, but i support 3% with both hands. well, in poland, it is already almost four, and well , the armed forces are being armed and developing, countries that calculate their budget there, but do not consider that security is a value, well, when trump says,

why should i protect them? if they don't want to defend themselves. and the europeans perceive it with some resentment, and i think that sometimes they miss trump, when i tell them this, they just begins, they start some kind of attack, i say, well, people, well, you understand that someday the states will go in one direction, in another, and you and i are europe, we need to defend ourselves in the future world, we need, if you think, that it is free, look at ukraine, if you haven't learned anything yet, they say, we have taught. but how to tell this to the voters, they want some other things, social benefits, i say, well, go and say, well, look, the whole german policy is sweating over there, and... and boris pistorius, the minister of defense, who comes out and says direct text that ukraine needs more weapons, that this is our security, if we lose ukraine,

we might lose ourselves, the most popular politician in germany, so maybe, if we tell the truth, you can also become a popular politician, and at some point, all those who are sweating must understand that one thing will happen, there will be some crazy wave, putin will make migrants there again or... so on, and here we need to stick to each other in europe, like this, not like this, but not these don't do feints at all, that's why our tasks are very, very difficult, even on the next months, and the window of opportunity to convert kursk into strategic advantages from tactical ones is also not infinite, we understand very well, by the way, it is exactly a month since the counteroffensive operation of the armed forces of ukraine began and in an interview with nbc news. zelensky says that ukraine took control of a part of russian territory in order to force putin to sit down at the transition table, and at the same time zelensky did not answer whether

ukraine plans to try to seize even more russian territory, let's hear what he said zelensky i won't say, i'm sorry, i can't talk about it, it's like the beginning of our kurdish operation, with all due respect i can't talk about it. i think success is very close to surprise, but conceptually, you have these territories, but you say you don't want to take them away. conceptually, we keep them. mr. pavle, what was demonstrated by the kurdish operation of the armed forces of ukraine both in russia and in the world. in russia, she showed vulnerability. regime and vulnerability, you understand, this is not the same weakness, in strong people, or countries too may have its own vulnerabilities, but there is a nuclear

state that says: but here we are, if putin starts pumping up the nuclear topic again, he is weak, because he allowed ukraine into the territory of ukraine, where there is a nuclear state, the largest warhead in the world, and how they they said, the second army in the world. well, if he is weak, then what will he tell his people, and what will he tell next month, when the brics summit will meet in kazan, all the mods, lula will come here and say putin, well, well, what are you going to do next , and putin needs something to answer in fact, since it is so, it is part of the negotiating position, it is an initiative, and what... there is a military initiative, there is a political one, well, actually, this is a psychological very cool story, because one thing is a measure, and another the matter is not the west, and the west has realized that there are no more

big and small there, but there are those who are ready to go to the end there in their defense, because we are defending ourselves, and what is happening on the territory of kurshchyna there is the right to self-defense, i tell everyone, read it. the hijacking charter, well, russia too signed, and it says the right to self-defense, and it doesn’t say where we should defend ourselves, maybe in the arctic, maybe there, i don’t know, there in the pacific ocean, on mars, i don’t care, the main thing is that it should be effective, but in including on the territory of the enemy, and this is a completely logical story, even from the point of view of international law, so again there are many tactical... advantages, they are very important, they are military, they are psychological, they are political and in the world and in russia, i don't think that there will be

any kind of uprising in russia now, there will be real ones monarchists who will say putin, you are not real, you cannot defend our kurshchyna, everything is under control there, propaganda too, the elites, they are behind putin, they are afraid of everything, when they feel weakness, they will start to act, but... uh- well, this is not today's moment, no one knows how stable and stable the russian regime is, but nevertheless, no one wants it to collapse, and the problem is not escalation, the problem is not that the west is afraid of escalation, but in we are often told that the west is afraid, so afraid, but this part of the answers, the west simply does not want it, the west once again wants to put putin there and say putin, this is your place there, in the world and nowhere else in a sense, since putin from the soviet union invented a place for himself on a level with the states, with china, not the chinese.

the americans, of course, do not see today's russia as their equal, and neither do the indians, it's just that putin still has nuclear weapons, and what else does he have, well, many other weapons, in the sense of the economy, well, this is an average country, with the same gdp, like south korea, or there is less than the dutch, from a point of view technological, well, there is something left, but human resource, human resource, well, they have it. 40 plus million each, but the quality will drop, well listen, and this central asia is an idea here and there, but anyway they are chauvinists there, they look at them and do not consider them theirs, they look at them from russian positions, they, they are there how do semi-slaves work, so this society is for the future, of course, it, it is not permanent, but now putin

is trying to use ... this war to unify the regime, to gradually reboot personally, well, you you see what is happening, here we are watching how they are arresting the ministry of defense there, but recently they arrested a former deputy minister of defense, who shoigu has been working there since the 90s, is this a direct blow to shoigu, who was appointed there to the position of secretary of 100 %, well, that is, when they take people there... people who worked there with shoigo, well , they take them, well, they take them, but this is a person who is loyal to shoigo, worked, and is part of his team, but i understand that such only putin gives orders in today's russia, that is the fsb comes to putin and they say, volodymyr volodymyrovych, to arrest him, putin says, yes, yes, of course, and here, in my opinion, some, i won't say stalin

times, but something like that are coming back. do you remember, there stalin arrested one of his relatives and told everyone: well, okay, now look, that is, there began a reboot of part of the elites, not all of them, but part of them, and there are very difficult processes there, and russia is not so small, as it seems to many, well, the world has its own understanding of what to do with this russia, and as a rule there is no such understanding, and very often, when we offer this... they say, yes, ukrainians, you are so cool, well correct, we love you, you have a special emotion, you are ready to go forward there, but you are biased, there are emotional, well of course we are emotional , when you are here in kyiv, it also falls here, and when you watch it in lviv, it just breaks your brain, i will be there in lviv on saturday, and there is the eldest girl in this family, she

was just doing this event, well well, that's it for us, you see, it's all these personal stories for us, we don't take it for what it is picture, and they look, they say, well , one more blow, it’s bad for these ukrainians, and i don’t blame them, it’s psychology, that is, they don’t live our lives, er, and for them, for many, ukraine was something completely unknown, unimportant, but now our war has become important. we have to make ukraine important for them, so once again, we return to how we communicate with our partners. magate, headed by raphael grossi, visited kursk as, and he came to kyiv, met with zelenskyi, then went to zaporizhzhia os. and, it all looked very strange from the point of view of the media and media support, when he hugged

zaporizhia there. with the occupiers who hold our nuclear power plant, and putin today, during the economic forum in vladivostok , threatened to strike ukrainian nuclear power plants, allegedly in response to ukrainian attacks on the kursk uas. let's hear what he said. did you say about the strikes on the nuclear power plant? yes, yes, these are very dangerous terrorist attacks. one can only imagine what will happen if we start responding mirror what will happen to this whole part of europe? putin is a nuclear terrorist, i.e. a person who terrorizes not only ukrainians, he is already threatening europe and the whole world, a person who, probably for the first time in the world, seized a nuclear power plant and was not punished for it as a terrorist, i.e. there were no similar cases , this is a challenge for...