our program, which will start in an hour, will be attended by two of my colleagues, journalists andrii dyanitskyi and bohdan butkevich. traditional friday journalism club, we will discuss the most current topics of the week. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch a video of how ukrainian defenders repelled another assault in the pokrovsk direction, fighters of the 21st separate special purpose battalion of the presidential brigade defeated the enemy. in this way, the defenders did not allow the enemy to surround our forces, let's see.

glory to the armed forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, we conduct polls throughout our broadcast. today we ask you about the following: do you expect the work of the government to improve after the replacement of nine ministers? yes, no, please vote on youtube with the button either yes or no, if you have your own opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video. if you watch us on tv, take your smart phone. or phone and vote the phones if you hope to improve performance after replacing the nine ministers in the current cabinet 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, i want to introduce today our guest of this hour, this is the former prosecutor general.

of ukraine, ukrainian politician and statesman, captain of the armed forces of ukraine, yurii lutsenko, yuriitech, i congratulate you and thank you for coming to the studio. well, let's start with the big bed-farming, as it is now called, the change of beds in the government of denys shmyhal. you understand what was the need for all these efforts, personnel efforts, concentrated, if it was possible to easily change these ministers throughout the year, because some ministers were with the prefix "wo" well, to begin with, let's ask sergey the question of how many of the nine removed ministers you can, a person experienced in politics, you can name him by his last name, i can name vitaly koval, yes, i can name the removed iryna veryshchuk, yes, herman, smitanin, who was appointed, you can strongly promote, yes, yes, herman smitanin, well and apparently.

in fact, this is a small test for our viewers, i will immediately explain what happened, nothing happened, simply nothing happened, if, well, who expects a change in the results of the work of the ministry, if a person who for six months... while fulfilling his obligations became a minister, and karandieyev did not become, among other ministers, who expects a change in the ministry, if a brilliant diplomat with many years of experience suddenly becomes the minister of culture, who can expect normal work from a person, this is the former head of the regional state administration of my native region, who changed the position of the head of the regional state administration, the state property fund, and now went to the mine of the apc. this is just an imitation of the stormy

activity of the president, which will not solve any of the serious issues, especially since no serious ministry, which has a lot of questions, has basically remained untouched, for example, the ministry of energy, 2 billion euros buried in the ground rebar and concrete to protect energy objects. in ukraine, how they are protected, all of ukraine now feels, no way, from the shaheds they are still protected in some places, from missiles, no way, there are 2 billion, i emphasize, nearby, for example, the ministry of finance, a key ministry that prepares the budget, and suddenly it turns out, in the summer, that we do not have enough half a trillion to finance the armed forces of ukraine and... today there is news about , that

since the month of september, under the question of payment of combatants, to our heroes, there is a question for the minister, no, no, he continues to work, and... i can list all these ministries, well, for example, who is generally responsible for fortifications? you know who, minister of statistics, well, this is a wonderful country, even more wonderful management system, but what about fortification, we see in the pokrovsky direction, and not only there, you can list endlessly, but this is just an imitation of the chaotic activity in the style of the show of the 95th quarter, for a week of information pri'. enough, what are you and i doing now, we discuss in the show, nothing, imitation, profanation, let's listen to what zelensky says, what he expects from changes in the government, and what active work it should be, please give zelensky's synchronicity , government replacements took place, i am

grateful to the parliament for supporting the relevant ones candidates, it is very important that government institutions work as actively as possible now, even more actively than before, at all levels. more investment by partners in defense production of ukraine, more active promotion in the negotiation process with the european union, and this is the preparation of the future accession agreement. more interaction and mutual understanding between the central government and communities. this government still has a prime minister who has been working for the fifth year, and there was no program from the very beginning. government and approved by the verkhovna rada of ukraine, well, there is a war, everything is clear, but the government as an institution, there is a war, everything is clear, so why should the government work without a program? that we have been working for the third year without a state defense order, and the ministry of defense does not plan

what the troops need, it buys what you mentioned, well, you understand this story in general, this is chaotic work that is not bound by any rights. government, look, the president, with all due respect, may have said something that i can believe in this sentence: activation of the eu accession negotiation process. i really don't understand why stefanyshyn became a minister as a vice-prime minister of justice, added the ministry of justice, and these are the additions of new energy, i doubt it, but okay, okay, they say that it is necessary to increase the production of own weapons, and at the same time they remove the minister of strategic sectors of the economy, well, what exactly. answers, last year with great fanfare, a large part of personal income tax was transferred to him, you know what happened now, they removed them as soon as this ministry launched the first long-range missile, after all these adventures with the freezing

of missile programs in the 19th year, finally launched a missile that gave a result of 500 km of serious explosive loads and so on, 8 billion personal income tax was withdrawn from this ministry, zero. i understand that no one reports to the president about this, i understand that he is not really interested in this, it's just a show, that is, this week is full of news, nine ministers have been appointed, who, why, for what, but i'm with you i absolutely agree, we have a prime minister, because in any government there is a conductor, a manager who is responsible and instructs the government, sets them tasks, controls and so on. it prime minister, once again, maybe the president will hear us with you, er, the idea of ​​creating a new kind of armed forces, uavs, unmanned aerial vehicles, was put forward by general zaluzhny. he wrote a report, to the president's office, they waited

until he was removed, and also, by the way, they told us that this was a reboot and new energy, well, how it ended after her resignation, we also all see every morning, looking at the map. a presidential decree is issued instructing the government to create an appropriate regulatory framework and create conformity. for four months the cabinet of ministers wrote regulations on the new type of troops, i guarantee that any captain specializing in record keeping in the armed forces, as it is called, would have written it in a maximum of 5 days, but for four months the government worked out the bill and accepted it. for another two months after that they looked for a commander, they appointed, another four months after that they looked for the chief of staff of this type of troops, which is currently being checked by the sbu, and to this day they have not made appropriate

changes to the law on the armed forces and there is no type of uav troops there, no, there are uavs, but there is no type of military in the law. tell me, can the government act effectively? no, this is not an efficient government. and the person who heads it, even after the decree of the president, who organizes the implementation for six months or more, those related to the war, it is completely ineffective, i.e., i would say, an inhibitory factor in the work of the state apparatus, why does this happen, and here we come to the point , because the issue is not that we do not have a prime minister, we have yermak's swindler, everyone has known this for a long time, but why does it happen that the most important documents drag on for months, and sometimes it is not implemented at all, for example, financing does not go anywhere at all, and some crazy decisions about burying money in concrete are made, and what is needed is not purchased. and everything is happening because the constitution of ukraine has not

been opened by the current government for a long time, because according to the constitution, the cabinet of ministers is formed by the parliamentary majority and bears full responsibility for its work, and the office of the president helps the president to fulfill his two main functions: work on the defense of the country and work on the international plane, period, but everyone knows that any government cough or. effective managers who do not have any responsibility, most of them are not even office deputies, they are advisers, they do not sign anything, and they really hope that after that they will not bear any responsibility, because there is no signature, but there is no responsibility, true, well why?

and they hope that it will be so, and they manage ukraine and the entire government. from the office of the president without any prescriptions of the constitution, well, that is, the ministers who are appointed, these are the next goats to the current system of power, it is a sham, it is not even moving the beds, because the beds are actually the same, well, some were moved, some were moved apart, yes, but they put new characters there, whose surnames say only one thing: nothing will change, because these are half of the former executives responsibilities, that is, these are the same people. the other half, as always, are people who have nothing to do with the relevant industry, and above them are the key

supervisors, these five or six efficient managers from the office of the president, who basically manage all the processes, as we manage we see, well, in our everyday life, in your opinion, why was shmygal not changed due to, well , let's say this, those backroom conversations in... the parliament that are happening now, and not only in the parliament, they want to remove him for a long time, but, the leader faction of the servants of the people, david arahamiya defended the continuation of his premiership, due to their long-standing close relations. he proved to the president that it is not yet time to drop this ballast from the balloon of power. shmyhal's long-standing relationship with arakhamia or arachami with... akhmetov, you should not address this to me, in this case arakhamia as well

a serious political figure, he is the leader of the faction, he has access to the president, he has access to the prime minister, he influences his faction, he simply has the opportunity to say: i don't have votes for this in the faction, and on this basis relations with any - which official, in this case we are talking about the prime minister, regarding the results of his work, well, from my point of view. he proved his ineffectiveness a long time ago, a long, long time ago, and we are not talking about akhmetov, by the way, sergey, because, well, you can never confuse a person with a place where he once worked, well, someone, each of us somewhere worked, for example, at one time i was an assistant to the prime minister, this does not mean that i am a valery person, i remember that you were with oleksandr moroz, once and with many others, so look, the one who where does he work, well, he worked as a manager at one of akhmetov's energy facilities, of course he has some contacts, but that does not mean that... he appointed him, well, actually, these are myths, yes, this does not happen in life , he

has been an independent figure for a long time, but he knows the rules of the game in today's ukraine: first, don't come forward, don't show any of your rating, any of his publicity, and clearly, clearly fulfills not what the country demands, but what the street banks demand, and he fulfills these rules, but look, i want to end with something, but at the same time, mr. yarmak sent in the government of its... well, let's say a very trusted person who seriously proved himself among these five or six managers, that's sibigu, no no. no, this is the minister of regional development, kuleba, after all, not the former minister of foreign affairs, but oleksiy kuleba, his namesake, who will be mastered in the government corridors of the cabinet, with in order to probably take the position of prime minister. what would i comment? if the president really wanted to reboot the government

with more energy and more responsibility for the tasks set. him, the parliament, society, i would unite the office of the president and the cabinet, it would turn out, of course , a little autocratic, but at least honestly, and i would appoint andrii borysovich yarmak, who already manages everything, prime minister, so that he managed these processes with full responsibility, not from behind the scenes, not from behind the scenery, in his government office, this it would be fair, but that's how this team is. does not work, and now i will allow myself another story, because we talked about efficiency, and now about political responsibility. it was not for nothing that i reminded that according to the constitution and laws, the government is formed in the parliament, by the parliamentary majority. as you know, the majority of people's servants are in the parliament. according to the law, the head of the faction, by the way, this is about rahami's influence, submits

a motion to the prime minister for removal. these ministers did not receive votes, sufficient votes of the people's servants, from 170 to 167 votes, with the necessary 226 received by all candidates in ministers, where the rest of the necessary votes were taken in the opzh faction and its fragments, so in fact

we can debate for a very long time about the qualities of individual ministers and this government, but since yesterday... we have a government, servants of the people and opzh, after two maidans and on in the third year of the war, this, as for me, is a terrible moral degradation, a terrible political cynicism, but it was actually yesterday, it was simply openly demonstrated on the scoreboard of the verkhovna rada. servants of the people 167 for the same kulebu, opzzh there are 20 of them, fragments of opzzh are still under. seven at a time, eight at a time, as a result you have 240, this society must know and must understand that we are dealing today with the government, which actually represents two political forces, the servants of the people and the opzh, and therefore they will be responsible. why did dmytro kuleba leave the post of minister of foreign

affairs? here is a separate song. dmytro kuleba has always been in this government. white crow, well, like his predecessor, by the way, i have a foreign affairs prestaik. these were professionals, er, with long-term, serious work in their field, with achievements, with certain, well, plans, strategies and so on. prystaiko, i remember well that i met her more than once in a diplomatic position, it was clear that the person is smart, ambitious, and this is normal, in principle, especially for a young person. but he has his own vision of ukraine's actions in the international arena, and when he became a minister, well, for me he was such a bright spot in this gathering of dilettantes and populists, but the rules were the rules and little by little he was forced to wear sneakers, a sweater instead of

a diplomatic suit and a cot, it was you can see how unpleasant it is for him, because he, well, it can be seen that he is like that... a diplomat throughout his life, he devoted himself entirely to this profession, but he entered this story, well, then he realized that he would be made just furniture, forgive me, because during the war, already in the second year of the war, it became clear , that foreign policy will be managed by andrii yarmak, and at first they traveled together, and then it became simply obvious that the minister of foreign affairs, who bears all the responsibility... who by law must implement all policies in the priorities set by the president, is used simply as furniture during chapter visits. the president's office, which in principle does not have any constitutional powers regarding international affairs, and then mr. yarmak in general began to openly

dictate policy without the minister of foreign affairs, what i mean, for example, has passed, well, about a year, the entire diplomatic machine of ukraine from the huge energies dealt with the forms of the world, she and he were not the only ones we remember. switzerland a few months ago, there were four of them. in different countries, leaders of different states were gathered, and the task was one: to gather switzerland has more than 100 heads of state and government, why? in order to proclaim the formula of peace, they gathered and proclaimed it. yaermak took off, he actually led this process, the photo from that uniform shows everything, i.e. the vice president of the usa, hayis looks over his shoulder somewhere, he is in the center. the main key event, but what did this conference give birth to, you and i, sergey, we talked about it here, this huge swiss mountain gave birth to only one molehill, until

the next forum, where the russian federation should be represented. what do we have for today? today we have the president's statement that there is no point in conducting any negotiations with russia. that is, a year of diplomatic efforts went nowhere. meanwhile, the same president absolutely rightly says that we have problems with the west. allies regarding the supply of weapons to us, the question, yes, maybe it was necessary to spend a year with all the diplomatic machines of ukraine, not a decorative peace forum, scaboverde and san marino, which still do not supply us with either money or weapons, maybe it was necessary to spend forms of victory with by those who give us money and rockets, and at these negotiations, v in offices, and if necessary in public ones, to achieve what is needed. victory is the difference between a professional minister of foreign affairs and a populist figure who knows how to organize a show as a film producer. now

it has become clear that all these forums are about nothing, well at least for the time being, and it is necessary to find the culprit for the fact that the work with our partners in the supply of weapons, and the way in which the minister of foreign affairs dmytro kuleba was filmed, shows that they will make him... extreme, because he was not simply removed, during the election of his successor, mr. sebegi, from from the stands of the verkhovna rada, it actually sounded that kuleba was removed because he got carried away with his publicity and allowed himself pr, he ate bananas in africa, you know, without authorization for a video camera, although we all remember who sent him there, even today, yesterday, for example, the trumpeters of the only... were already directly telling that he was rightly removed, because he got carried away by the ratings. that is, i say once again, the only professional in this government was not simply removed,

they want to make him extreme for the policy pursued by another person with the last name fair. that is, failures in washington, in berlin, in london, now they want to push on those who were not allowed to work according to their own. powers, well, unfortunately, such, well, that is , dmitry kuleba is being pushed into politics, but no, i think that dmitry kuleby will be offered the position that he knows well, because he practically worked near it, i think that he will lead or the representative office of ukraine in the eu, or in the representative office of ukraine in nato, or he already worked there, as i say, an acquaintance, maybe he will be offered some new form of association of these efforts, because now both european integration and problems with nato... supplies are probably on equal weight of priorities, dmytro will cope with it, but if he is thrown out of the power

hierarchy altogether, i will not be surprised, because unfortunately, there has never been a case when zelenskyi's team has at least some gratitude to those who helped them with their professional pradas, i am also talking about prestayk. i am also talking about many soldiers who were thrown out without any chance of being useful during the war, and general zaluzhnyi was sent to the embassy, ​​and 16 more generals of military leaders, that is, alas, only personal loyalty is valued here, and as our great lina kostenko said, because there is a struggle for the will of ukraine, and there is... arm wrestling, so arm wrestling is valued more, well, there are two there are ministers , one vice-prime minister and the minister of justice stefanyshyn and matvii. the poor man, who

was appointed head of the ministry of youth and sports, and they have problems there with law enforcement agencies, stefanishyna is on trial, and it continues, but on october 3 , another meeting is scheduled to take place, in the higher anti-corruption court, we are talking about the period when lukash was still in charge of the ministry of justice, and there this case continues until now, it is about the distribution of state budget funds through the abuse of an official. position, how correct it is, i ask you, as a former prosecutor general, when the ministry of justice is headed by a person against whom the higher anti-corruption court has complaints, her case is being heard there, she is one of the prosecution, it is wrong, i will say it very simply, a person , which, well, not directly, but has a certain influence on courts, well, actually the minister of justice influences, cannot influence

every judge, he does not have such a function. but it affects the institution, the financing of the courts, their formation, merger, organization, recruitment process there, and many other things, and at the same time being in the process of not just any district court, but a higher anti-corruption court, and also with accusations of corruption, well, it is wrong, why couldn't we wait for at least the end of this process and appoint him to the position after it, i don't know, the fact that it contradicts ... any european standards, which it now functionally has to implement, implement in ukraine, well, that's obvious, but - well, what can i say, in the servant of the people faction , you can already create a deputy group, well, in our country, you know according to the legislation in the parliament, if you have 18 members , you can create a group, it is not a faction, but there, for example, there is either a separate deputy group or an association.

yes, it is possible to create a pre-trial detention center group within the servants of the people, there are already exactly 18 people who have suspicions, some have already escaped, all others calmly go to work with accusations of anti-corruption and other crimes, therefore , if a faction independently forms a government, then it is logical that they should send their own kind of nationalist, well, matvyi bidnyi, about whom i spoke, this head of the ministry of sports and the ministry of '. youth or youth and sports, there were also stories about how he taxed athletes with extortion money and destroyed military sports, banned activities to prepare young people for service in the armed forces of ukraine, there were also questions about him, well, before him and his father-in-law dashutin, dashutin in general, well, you know who dashutin is, the whole country here knows, but in reality, of course, you cannot make a person guilty. for

the actions of my relatives, but i don’t know anything about this person, honestly, i don’t know anything, listen, well, ministers have to undergo some kind of inspection, not like with the chief of staff of the unmanned forces, i don’t know anything about this minister and i believe that we have not had a normal minister of sports in recent years, well, probably for 10 years, and unfortunately the influence of regionals for this department was always very high, even from the time of education. and his huge group of influence, which were scattered throughout all federations, throughout the ministry itself, therefore, unfortunately, we have to revive sports almost from scratch, the fact that this person is not capable of this is obvious to me, the fact that the verification of these nominations were conducted in the same haste as familiarization with them during voting in the verkhovna rada, well, that is, two minutes each for

the presentation of the program and answers, right? this is an imitation, everyone perfectly understands what you are looking at, these ministers mean nothing, all decisions are made in other rooms. we remember such a system during yanukovych's time. in principle, except for two or three ministers, the country did not know anyone, because everyone understood that all decisions are made in the administration of president yanukovych, by the appropriate supervisors. and today, around president zelensky, people who thought differently have left, and those who came have remained. precisely from that system, the tatars and others like it, accordingly , they form the system to which they got used to when they were young, when they were still runners around, now they independently form the same thing that they saw then, why, or rather, what they were a part of then, only then they were on the middle rungs, and now they are already at the top, and they formed the same vertical system, where the cabinet is just a scapegoat buvaylom, look, we've been with you for more than half an hour...