i don't spend money at the moment, about how to unite the country in the process of recovery in the project of the urban reconstruction and development program, every saturday at 18:30 for espresso. good health once again, ladies and gentlemen, 5:00 p.m. 8:30 p.m. minutes, in fact, as i promised, ivanna klympush sensadze, people's deputy of ukraine, head of the committee on ukraine's integration into the european union. good health, mrs. ivana, thank you for finding time for us. good evening, thank you for the invitation. well, i have the first such, more international question for you, maybe later let's move on to household chores. this, then, is what mr. putin said about negotiations with ukraine based on the istanbul agreements, as well as for ukrainians to leave kurshchyna. he called it like this:

take the bandits from kurshchyna, well, for him, everyone who is not him is a bandit, we know that, but my question is different, this is a rational approach, in principle, is this possible, does it seem to me that time has passed, that rationally, it somehow seems strange that we will remember april or march of the 22nd year and set the negotiating table in what was then discussed and whether were discussed, not a fact, we don’t know, but even to assume that such negotiations took place , but it seems to me that during the war, 2.5 years is so much that it’s just awkward to mention it, and then what is he counting on, that's when such a question arises, please, ms. ivana, your analysis, well, you know, it is clear that putin will constantly speak in one way or another to the audience, first of all to his domestic audience, as well as to the audiences of those countries, on which he continues to calculate. in particular, the axis of

evil that they have now formed, and that's it many countries of the same asia, south america or africa, and as for me, you know, when he speaks, well, it is obvious that the general public there does not understand what is being said, in this way he seems to be talking about his readiness for some kind of peacekeeping movements and to the negotiations, it is obvious that... i absolutely agree with you, it cannot at all be about something that resembles the conditions of the so-called istanbul agreements, and i understand that we have seen confirmation of their initialing exclusively from the russian side, but oh well then you and i recall, it was about practically the capitulation of ukraine and about extremely unattractive conditions for our a... in general survival and our future and

the complete non-subjectivity of ukraine as such, therefore, in my opinion, the situation has really changed a lot, well, as for the negotiations about the withdrawal of ukrainian troops from kurshchyna, well, i think that somewhere in part, the ukrainian leadership also counted on the fact that such a military move by ukraine could... give, well, some additional impetus to actually forcing russia to negotiate . now to household chores, as i promised, such a reboot of the cabinet of ministers, there were changes in the office of the president on sunday of the week that passes, and here you have a question, how do you feel about it in general, because it is a very controversial opinion, some say that it doesn't matter it is necessary to change people, no matter how important they are, just people, people get tired in time. well, they are doubly

tired, and the second say that it will not lead to anything at all, so it is not known why it was done at all, and what do you say about what happened in the past weeks? well, first of all, in any country in which 50% of the composition of the government changes, and it should be about in a democratic country, and it should be about the resignation of the government, about the resignation of the prime minister and so on. downloading then the entire government, well, in my opinion, because 50% is a very significant change, but it is a quantitative change, did it become a qualitative change for the ukrainian government, definitely not, because we see that in fact, well, all people from of the same deck, they were shuffled, and as you know, in our school they taught that from the permutation of adjectives. doesn't change, that's why i

i cannot speak at all about the fact that someone can count on some new push or what the president of ukraine promised in connection with these changes. attitudes, moreover, we must understand, none of those people, none of those personalities who, so to speak, who were appointed to positions, are not politicians, as it should again be in a democratic country, and not are subject persons who can claim and have such a specific vision of their own. development of this or that branch or in general, the general strategic development of the country itself, and we didn't hear, by the way, either during the presentation of the new ministers by the prime minister or the next day when

he was there for question time for the government and spoke for 15 minutes about how he sees the situation then he still continued to focus more on that. to say, this is a good guy, this is a good girl, they have now headed these directions or ministries, and they will be in these directions, well done, so it seems to me that this is just such a strengthening of president zelensky's centralization of power, this is a confirmation that the government, which was non-subject, due to the actions of a completely non-subject... non-subject so-called monomajority, why so-called, because it has definitely not given any decision since the beginning of the full-scale invasion 226 votes and still did not give a majority for any appointment, and they were helped in this, well, there are mainly

representatives of the banned opz and those crutches, here are these majority deputies who formed several groups, and this is their main reserve. for such votes, well we see that this non-subject, non-subject monomajority pressed the green buttons for non-subject people, who will continue to readily obey various decisions in the illegal field of the president's office, and well , maybe a little stronger managers were asked to be transferred, as we see , well , for example, the same mr. kamyshin, and to be transferred to... the office of the president, i generally find these stories quite strange, because it is quite, well, so strange, when a person from the position of a minister writes, writes his resignation letter in order to to go and work, well, if only

of the law, then purely clerco. mr. ivan, look, this is another rather difficult question, no one knows the answer. for some reason , i am convinced that really no one, the ministry of foreign affairs, there are new ministers now, and there is complete ambiguity here, because according to the law, the president is the curator of foreign policy, then he can cancel the position of the minister of foreign relations and make him an assistant to the president of ukraine in foreign affairs a real minister, well, because on the one hand there is... the ministry of foreign affairs, and on the other hand the president decides, moreover, according to the law, he submits, submits the minister for approval to the verkhovna rada, in short, this is his priority, unlike most ministers, where the priority is the decision of the verkhovna rada, and there is such ambiguity, i

think, but how, how to get rid of it of this ambiguity, as if the parliament decides, in fact it is not the parliament, even by law it is not you, then how to get out of this situation? i would say, please, well, in the end , the parliament decides anyway, and if the parliament were a subject, then it could decide either for or against, and the parliament decides everything for everything comes from the office of the president, indeed, the president has the authority to nominate candidates for both the minister of defense of ukraine and the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, and directly under the constitution, namely foreign policy and defense, security policy is... the responsibility of the president of ukraine, but in order to the president of ukraine implemented it in the best possible way, for this a real serious institution is needed, and you know, we have a huge number of absolutely worthy,

dedicated to the country and the idea, staff diplomats, who represent the ministry of foreign affairs. rights of ukraine, but it seems to me that during, especially the last 2.5 years, their ideas or their proposals regarding policy, they were not heard at all. at the bank, neither by the president nor by the head of the president's office, and somewhere there are such rumors that it was some such certain, and suddenly these misunderstandings between the minister and the head of the president's office, or rather the president himself, and led to him writing a letter, but, unfortunately, we did not see minister kulib neither at the report in the committee nor at the report in... in the parliament, and i am very sorry, because, well, probably, this is one of the few ministers who would have something to report about,

and something to tell the people's deputies and citizens of ukraine, and it is possible to leave behind some certain recommendations regarding how he would see the further, further development of ukrainian foreign policy, well , for the sake of justice, i'm sorry, i will say that this problem arose under kuchma, i remember then. frantic discussions that everything was really concentrated in the administration of president kuchma, and the ministers of foreign affairs performed some such strange, very ritualistic acts, but this is not in this issue, my question is different, kuchma, i'm sorry, under kuchma we had a different constitutional system, let's do it, i don't want to go into it, sorry, there's just no time , but in your opinion, the president, who does not attract experienced people, he does this emphatically, starting from the first days of his, that he rejected all the people who were once somebody and on and

takes the best people, this will continue in the future, that is this policy of his is established it is so systematic and it is hardly possible to expect that there will be a mixture between the new and the old. well , the president said not only to the whole country, but to the whole world at one of his press conferences, that he generally counts on five or six managers who... well, in his opinion, just cope with the leadership of the country, so he is under all of these, under himself and these five or six managers, it is necessary to subordinate the entire system in general, so he will not involve and propose to involve people who are subjects, who may disagree, who may object, who can offer, well, a different vision for that, just in this discussion they could. to be born there would be a much stronger solution for ukraine, and that is why this is exactly the president

who is the only one in the history of ukraine who once met with representatives of the political forces of the parliament there, it was on february 24, 2022, well, this is totally unacceptable history, this is a president who is not ready to listen to different opinions in order to... promote some more stable foreign, domestic policy, defense policy and so on further, unfortunately, we are without moving to the formation of a government of national unity, ah, and this definitely requires the bank's readiness for such a dialogue and to return to the legal field and, well, to abandon this permanent one. day by day centralization of power, i do not think that this can be expected, i think that

this can only be expected under the pressure of our partners, under the pressure of the conditions that will be necessary for us to fulfill within the framework of our european integration, i very much hope that having so much support society in european integration, and if we have clear points there, which we should achieve. within the framework of the recommendations of our partners, these are certainly the things on which we can rely and continue to count on the fact that ukraine will, well, return from the curtailment of reforms to their real implementation. thank you very much, ivanna klympush-sensad for being a people's deputy of ukraine, head of the committee on ukraine's integration into the european community. thank you, ms. ivanna, very much. and we go to commercials, after commercials we go somewhere... somewhere there to the far, far east, mongolia, china, from there we will fly somewhere, i am already

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good health again, 17:48 minutes on our watches and we will really go east now , accompanied by nat natalie. plaksienko butyrskyi, an expert on east asian issues, a master of foreign policy, now, i hope, she will appear before us, and we will talk with her just in time, good health, ms. natalie, thank you for stopping by on saturday evening, greetings, i have a question for you, you know, i thank putin, because he restored knowledge about mongolia in my head, somehow

it is so small, russia in the north, china in the south, and somehow there is a small population there. half less than in kyiv in peacetime, a huge area, meat agriculture, i have not heard of industry, as if such a democracy, as if, but i just noticed that mongolia is such a country thanks to putin, it is worth talking about it with you, it is a serious, serious visit, it is serious, some serious negotiations, or is it just a person. called putin decided that she will go and show that she can ignore the arrest warrant because ulaanbaatar under, that is, the capital signed this this possibility of putin's arrest, that is, the rome statute, well , obviously, it's worth, because you said about the weakness certain of this country, so it is obvious

sandwiched between two giants, once a great empire, now a small no... island of democracy in that region, it is under the serious influence of russia, because oil products, electricity and the rest of the resources, it comes from russia to mongolia, and the logistics are some kind of export there opportunities, import opportunities that need to be used also through russia or through china, that is , this country is absolutely in such a very bad geopolitical situation, and therefore it is obvious... that putin knew that there would be no measures regarding him about this warrant, and so he can demonstrate to the world that this warrant is real. strictly speaking, it does not affect him in any way, and it will not be enforced, even by countries as small as mongolia. it's a precedent, it's a bad precedent, because

there will still be many of the 120 countries that have signed the rome statute that will be ready to receive putin, and ready to ignore this warrant given that mongolia will get nothing for it, well, we're with you heard different reactions, we saw that there are no special mechanisms, not to mention mongolia, there are they ask for an explanation, maybe there will be some more such conversations, but nevertheless there will not be any serious consequences, this is bad, as for putin's visit itself, it is obvious that we are now, if we put together this year's picture, where he traveled after of its self-determination, it is vietnam, north korea, china, and now mongolia, that is, such an eastern vector. russia is trying in every possible way to demonstrate that it is returning to the east and that the east accepts it, but you see, i named these countries, at least three, and later it may be possible

india, these are countries that were friendly at one time with the soviet union, and putin is in a certain way restoring those ties that he had, not with him, but with the soviet union, and now he is trying to restore them in russia as well, and in this way to create... such an appearance that russia, like the soviet union, is such an influential state at the international level, it has partners that it influences, and this is how it tries to demonstrate its international weight, but here it should be recalled that the soviet union, having in friendship, friendship with such countries, he invested a lot in them, gave a lot of money to them... to us for this friendship and loyalty. so, let's say, with mongolia, well, what was agreed upon, there were talks that russia will build tsstets

in mongolia, that russia will provide cheap oil products, lubricants, various products. moreover, russia is even ready to provide cheap gas to mongolia. and let's talk about gas, so let's pay attention to this gas. the fact is that putin... who is now deprived of the opportunity to export gas to europe is trying to do so by all sorts of methods to place on the eastern borders a little bit, he tried to sneak in and sneaked into the central asian pipelines in order to distribute oil and gas to central asia and for more gas to go to china, but this is not enough and he is trying now. the power of siberia-2 will finally blow this pipe, but china has been twisting putin's hands for more than 2 years on prices, and these prices turned out to be absolutely

low, they are unprofitable, moreover, china, well, he is not sure that he can make investments into this pipe for various reasons, well, first of all, secondary sanctions, secondly, china is switching to green energy, a pipe of a thousand kilometers still needs to be built, that is, it is not a question today , including everything, no, it needs to be laid over 2,500 or more, then china is also trying to find its own sources of gas supply, and why should it let in russian gas, if it is not absolutely cheap, the pipeline will not be built on russian territory and on mongolian territory, if it is not built with chinese money, here and there i mentioned mongolia, mongolia in russia's plans looked like a transit country for this. this one a pipe through which the gas would go to the northern regions of china, at first it was just about transit and mongolia very seriously agreed, well, why not, there will be some funds and

such and such a project will pass through its territory, but given the fact that china this is not necessary, mongolia also included in its strategy, literally, which it made public for 5 years, it did not include plans for any russian pipelines there, and here putin is coming again... he is already coming, if not from china, then first through mongolia, and spoke of this power of siberia, about the fact that russia is ready to give mongolia cheap gas, much cheaper than anyone else, almost at domestic prices, but so far we have not heard from you about the agreement, because it is obvious that mongolia will take into account china's decision in any in any case, and with regard to russia, well , various nonsense, such curtseys in the direction of countries with which they want to be friends, because you said about... the population of mongolia, which is over two million there, about three, yes, that is, to run a gas pipeline , 2.5 more thousand in order to be there for well...

relatively speaking, for a small number of people to supply it, of course, it is absolutely unprofitable, absolutely senseless, but putin brings all sorts of sweets in order to be friends with him, in order to also demonstrate to the world that russia is not only a handshake, but it is still influential, but it seems to me that today russia does not have enough resources to gift those countries, even friendly ones, as it was once in soviet times, but from... accordingly, each of these countries is, yes, it is friends with putin in view of own interests, and there accepts the russian named, i have one more thing for you asks, or rather a group of questions, maybe i mixed something up, i would also watch chinese television so casually, not understanding anything in chinese, and some anglo-saxon channels, i also can’t say that these are

my native languages, but ... wasn't it that china met with africans recently, and i was interested in that, because i thought it was about dissuading the so-called global south from the ukrainian -european version of the war, which these countries say this is the aggressor called russia, this is the victim under called ukraine, this is bad. it's good, you have to help here, t here to harm, i saw a huge hall where a huge number of black people were sitting, who enthusiastically clapped when they saw sidjinping, did i confuse something, was there some meeting and what did it lead to, it's really you did not mix anything up, a serious china-africa summit was held, an absolutely obvious continuation

of the chinese... their strategies for spreading their influence on the african continent, on latin america, they have different, different strategies there, africa is the focus of china, so how for at least 10 years, china has been investing there , seizing resource objects and building infrastructure at the expense of these countries, giving them good loans, and obviously it is considered such a friend of theirs, that's why this summit was a very bombastic continuation of this event. when china promised 51 billion money, you know, it sounds like a lot, but considering the fact that there are 54 countries, it is not quite, so to speak, for the needs of this region, for the needs of each of these african countries. nevertheless, china also wants to be a benefactor, we putin was mentioned as one benefactor, and now also china. as far as the plan is concerned,

china has been seriously promoting those six points lately, it has already shortened the point about sovereignty and territorial integrity, it has shortened the point about taking security interests into account, but it has also made such a new plan of its own, which was supported by brazil and now china presents it as brazilian-chinese, well, during this meeting, this plan was supported in general, but on whom they focused, it is the south african republic. because it also aspires to be a country that influences global processes, joins global processes, we will remember brazil and the republic of south africa last year, all of which actively offered their services to ukraine and their plans there are far from reality, and therefore, well , look, a compliment to china, who really wants his plan to be supported by the entire global south,

it is for him... about influencing the votes of the global south, well, far from ending the just war in ukraine and ending it with bloodshed, but more about their personal interests, about the desire to show that china is so influential, that it is fighting for peace, and african peoples also support chinese aspirations. thank you very much, nataliya plaksienko, butyrska, expert on east asia, master of foreign policy. was with us, explaining, thank god, what is happening in china and mongolia, even, and we like it very much, we continue to offer you to donate a little money for drones, for drones and a charging station for the reconnaissance of the third regiment of the ssso, the special operations service, 890 thousand are needed hryvnia, join, requisites on the screen, now news, then advertising, and then ala lazarev.

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