all this, can it be all this, of course it can be, you can't even imagine the scale of this, what can be, why then, we have to hope that the lottery will take us out, it will not take us out, the lottery has never, ever taken anyone out, because in the lottery, you can make a successful decision, but you can fail, if there are conditions of competition, if the person who is in the government, the minister of defense , the minister of foreign affairs, the minister of the interior , the minister of finance, they understand that they have a field. in the future they can say no to the president, it is necessary to do differently, the government can to say no to the president, the president can understand what the recommendations of the government are, agree with them or disagree, because there can be a situation when the right of the president is against the government, that also did not happen, and this is the competitive work that is happening here, which has be the fate of all these people who left the government, some of them can only think that they will start to fly... a career, but as a rule, this

never happens with former ministers in our conditions, on the contrary, we have even politicians after they become ministers, they cease to be politicians, and after that their rating is zero, well, within the margin of error, and if it is a manager, well, he will transfer, someone will transfer to a job in some state or non-state, private company, will consult, someone will be, perhaps, an ambassador somewhere, because... we now have even diplomatic work has turned into a real spectacle, someone else will be someone else, it does not matter, that is, these people, when they are in the ministerial offices, they think about everything, but not about their political future, and i repeat once again, to think about the political future - it means to think about people, not to think about one's political future, is to think about one person, about volodymyr zelenskyi, which means that the citizens of ukraine should decide for themselves...

who should their ministers think about them or about zelenskyi, if i were a minister now any affairs, from domestic to foreign, why should i think about citizens who will not vote for me, i am not a politician, i was invited to work for the president, if i do something that he does not like, my job will be blocked, i may be removed from office, mine will suffer department, so of course i have to do everything possible and impossible to please this person, and that is why these people... they write, they speak, and andriy sibyga clearly said that working in the office of the president of ukraine is the best time of his life for a person who becomes the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, these are very important and necessary words in order to continue his career in these circumstances, is it possible soviet words, or when andriy melnyk, the former ambassador of germany? the most current

in brazil calls zelenskyi the best a diplomat almost there in the 21st century in a public interview. this is absolutely soviet behavior of officials. i saw this only at the congresses of the communist party, when all interviews began with the words, what a genius leonid brezhnev is. but again, i absolutely do not blame sibiza, melnyk, or any other ukrainian officials, because they exist in a system where they depend solely on the approval of one person. they no longer depend on the ukrainian people at all, the ukrainian people have no influence on their future polycareer, and they are officials, they need to advance through the line, they need to work in embassies, be ministers, implement some of their ideas about how a ministry or an embassy should work, without the approval of one single person, the president of ukraine and those managers who serve this person, as he himself says, nothing is impossible. to do in the country,

this is such a vertical of power, this is a super-presidential republic since 2019, which after 2022 got rid of another important regulator, which was, after all, which could replace the absence of politics at critical moments, this is social control, because people understand that it is not necessary to respond harshly to certain actions of the authorities, because it can also end in the collapse of the state and be in the hands of russia, well and and and i apologize for the parliamentary control, whatever... it was, they also got rid of it, because they at least came and there was an hour of questions to the government, at least the ministers sometimes reported, it was also correct, but it was also a fiction, listen, if if people voted for ministers whose surnames they learned at the time of voting, you say, they did not report, but in the 19th year they voted for the government, they are people whose surnames none of the voters who voted for them knew , voted for ministers whose names they didn't know at the time of voting, huh. why control

those you don't know? i am sorry if you marry a person you don't know and after that you never see that person even why she is considered as your wife how will you control her...and what report do you want to hear from andrew at the time of the divorce, if there was no communication between you? moreover, i think that some people's deputies do not even know the surnames of those whom they dismissed and whom they appointed, let's be frank, of course it sounds like that, but the main thing is that the president knows the surname, in this system it is important that the president knows surname, because this is the instrument of rule, well, unfortunately, we have what we have, and this is it... there was a reshuffle in our government, if you can call it a reshuffle, and we have a short pause, and we will come back to you in literally two minutes, a direct ater, don't switch, journalists, who joined

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you draw your own conclusions. saturday political club direct egter, we are back, and now we will talk about other topics that concern, in particular, our country, and of course, of course, europe, of course those political processes that take place in europe and not only in europe, but we will talk about ... the situation with turkey, yes, which is with brics, which is with the possible entry of this country into brics, and i think that we will talk, probably about rammstein, so about those conclusions because we

kind of didn't get to talk about that in the first part when we had the security block, but i think we need to go back to that and ... also talk about it because it's important to of our country and it is important for us to understand what kind of help will be for ukraine, what political processes took place and are taking place there. let's probably start with romstein then, yeah. so, mr. vitaly, the next meeting was held, and volodymyr zelenskyi arrived there in person, which is also interesting, by the way, because that... not always the president, or rather, not even always, and the president does not go there, this representation is much lower, whether it is the minister of defense, or the minister of foreign affairs, or others, or military leaders, but still , president zelenskyi arrived there, he made a statement, he made very harsh

words about putin, he actually spoke about missiles, about weapons that putin receives from. the worst regimes in the world to kill children, and here i absolutely agree and i cannot deny it, because it is absolutely true, about rammstein, what... the first results we now we see, and still, what do you think we can expect after, whether we will receive increased assistance, whether we will finally receive a sufficient amount of air defense, whether our international partners, who very often still slow down in many matters of assistance to our country, will hear at least after that, and one more thing is very important, after ramstein, the president flew to italy and... well, today, if i'm not mistaken, he is participating in one of the forums there, the economic forum, and we know that

italy also has its own a certain position regarding, regarding missiles, regarding strikes on the territory of russia, mr. vitaly, please, well, i think that the most important thing, why the president took part in this summit at all, is that this is the first rapstein after the kurdish operation, and in his speech at this meeting, zelenskyi focused specifically on kurdish operations, this is, in principle, absolutely... the right approach, why? because it was the kursk operation that changed the political nature of the war, we talk a lot about how it changed the security nature of the war, and we say that in fact it is russia that occupies 27% of the territory of ukraine, and ukraine took control of several districts in the kursk region, this cannot be compared territorially, the gains of russia, the gains of ukraine, and you can agree with this, but at the same time you must... understand another thing, that ukraine transferred the war to the sovereign

territory of russia federation, that before this kurdish operation, the war could be considered as taking place exclusively on the territory of ukraine, that is, a special military operation of the russians on our territories, and this is a real war, the russian-ukrainian war, not in words, but in reality, and it was very important to see how our allies perceive it, and it turned out that they perceive it calmly, because, well... a few months ago, if you and i discussed the possibility of how the invasion of ukrainian troops into the sovereign territory of ukraine would be perceived by the west, we discussed , he probably won’t like it very much, they will condemn at the word of the judge, they will say that this is absolutely unacceptable, that the war should take place exclusively on the territory of ukraine, that it cannot be spread to the territory of russia, because at the word of the judge fear escalation. this did not happen, on the contrary, all the leading western leaders said that the war could take place on the territory of russia,

because this is exactly the territory from which the aggression against ukraine is carried out, well, maybe with the exception of donald trump, who began to scare about the third world war, but we we know that the former american president has a specific position when it comes to russia, and it seems to me that we too could make sure of this many times, this is one moment so very important, another moment... no less the important thing is that the western countries calmly accepted the fact that western weapons are being used during this operation, they did not start saying that ukraine has its own weapons to be used in this war, no, no, they said, well yes , it's normal, it's their business, when our weapons come into their service, then they can do whatever they want with them, and here of course a logical question arises, why you can... do whatever you want with your military vehicles, but you can't with missiles, why you can do whatever you want with your combat vehicles

the territory of russia, not ukraine, but you can't do that with missiles, this is a beautiful question, as far as i'm concerned, and it seems to me that this is exactly the question that everyone who was at ramstein's meeting heard, even if it was not clearly expressed, and the fact that there was a meeting between the president of ukraine and the minister of defense of the united states, lloyd mostian, is also important. thing, because you know, we're talking about the short haul right now, that short haul, it's about september 2024 to march 2025, that's what this administration can do at this time, and i think that once the president biden dreamed that at the end of his term of office there could be at least a suspension of wars in ukraine in... somewhere in the east. it's not very possible to hope for that now, although on the other hand, if we put ourselves in

putin's shoes, he might be better off agreeing to stop the war right now, when the supposed biden is the clear course and he doesn't know what to really expect are they trump or harris? but again, in putin's head, you and i do not want to live happily ever after. and in this regard, it can be such a short-term agreement that this one can administration to allow. to compel russia to make peace, whether she would allow the use of her long-range weapons. of course, now the american said that this is how the kurdish operation took place. another bryansk or bilhorodsk cannot happen tomorrow, at least the russians should think about it, they should think that their borders can be breached with the help of modern western technology, which they very often have nothing to oppose, and accumulate forces on the border to prevent opportunities to allow such a breakthrough. i believe that this is a very important result of this kurdish

the operations that you and i must always remember is that the russians will now be forced to keep on the border with ukraine... the forces they did not keep, who was there in the know of the region, what kind of soldiers, and now it will be necessary a strong army that has to prepare for the next breakthrough, that's an important thing, so in that regard, i think rampstein has shown that, has shown, and from the point of view of this in kurshchyna, has shown that ukraine needs new help to stop the enemy's advance in the pokrovsky direction, it is no coincidence that just now reports began to appear that the offensive the procians are slowing down and that they may not win the patronage, but they would very much like to win the penance, we understand that, and not only from the strategic point of view, but also from the economic point of view, because they believe that in this way they will destroy all our metallurgy, if they capture pokrovsk with its coking coal, so everything is very simple, if we are talking about

zelensky's visit to italy, that is, ramstein, then italy... an economic forum, a meeting, of course, with prime minister giorgia meloni, and what is there , what is the interest of ukraine as of now in italy, and we also see the position of italy, which is different from the position of other states, they say that categorically no, we do not allow our weapons to hit the territory of russia, as far as i understand in general. that is, we are not even talking about deep strikes, we are talking about the fact that italy generally prohibits the use of its weapons outside the constitutional territory of ukraine. what is the interest of our state there, why is zelensky in italy today, and how can we convince italy to change its

decision. i think we cannot convince italians to change their decision, one way or another we have to influence them, influence public opinion. ugh. after all, this government will not always exist, well, george meleni really supports ukraine, but her coalition consists of three parties, two of which are known for their long-standing ties with the kremlin. yes, now they have somewhat, i would say, changed their attitude, but we remember very well the history when both matteo salvini, the current colleague of giorgi melani in the coalition, and silvi berlusconi, who until his death led the party he led, leads now the minister of foreign affairs of italy , alberto tajani. that they were constantly in moscow, they met with putin, with other russian politicians, berlusconi did not hide his good relations with putin even after the beginning of the great russian-ukrainian war, this is such a coalition, i would say that we george melena were still lucky, that she plays the main violin in this coalition, because she won the elections with a much more obvious result than her coalition partners, and

therefore her position of support for ukraine is for them absolutely accepted, they cannot... oppose anything, not even to this position, but to the weight of the italian brothers party in italian politics, but again, this is italy, where everything can change, where the right can be replaced by the left, and there will be a completely different situation, because as you understand, if the democratic party of italy is ready to support ukraine and no further, then the five- star movement or how many there were. or seven stars , i think it's five, it seems to me that five is, because he occupies a position in the left spectrum, very similar to a position from the far right italians, and from the same league, and if a democratic center-left government is formed, then we will again have a coalition in

which part of the coalition will support ukraine, and part will be against, so we need to talk to italian politicians, if we understand that the war this is for a long time, and we will need support for a long time, maybe all this is ten years, then one way or another we have to be there and influence this situation, that's all, but in any case italy, we have to understand, it is an important partner of ukraine, that is we need to talk with italy and of course what to convince, convince and demonstrate that we are not in any case, even despite the position. italians are not, so to speak, in opposition to this country and we understand that allowing the use of italian weapons on the territory of ukraine is already a big deal. of course, yes, be that as it may, we need more weapons here as well, considering that the main military actions are taking place here. so this is an absolutely obvious thing. and if we are still

talking about italy, then we can also, i think, then about france speak. yes, if we are talking about what is happening about the coalition perepetiy, then in france these are also happening. coalition perpetuations, and these coalition perpetuations are not in favor of the winners, yes, although the winners in principle as such are not so, and there are no clear winners in the aftermath of the french parliamentary elections, and in the end we are watching how a stolen victory takes place, at least that is what the french left claims , they call for protests, again france and protests, this... you can put an equal sign here, and why so happened? and because french president emmanuel macron appointed a new

prime minister of the country, and it was headed by 70-year-old 73-year-old michel barnier, the oldest, the oldest prime minister in history, michel barnier himself is a former european commissioner, minister, senator . republican, supporter of liberal economy and strong and influential european union. well, mr. michel cannot be called such a leftist, so to speak, of course, he is a supporter of the republican party. parliamentary elections, early parliamentary elections in which the right could win. from marie le pen's party, the left won, and macron can be called the de facto winner at the moment. well, again, it's a very risky game.

look at what macron is doing. the far-right wins the elections to the european parliament. they occupy an absolutely unprecedented number of french seats in the european parliament. macron dissolves the national assembly of france, appoints early parliamentary elections, that's it there is no need. the parliament could continue to work quietly, and it is holding these elections under the slogan of stopping the far-right, and people who want to stop the far-right are voting for the candidates of macron's party and for the left, for the socialists and for representatives of the party of rebellious france in the second round of parliamentary voting. who simply withdraw their candidates from the second round of the election, which was won by one anti-ultra-right candidate, an ultra-right candidate, such solidarity, and thanks to this solidarity, the left and macron's party become the winners of these elections are the left front, the people's front, in the first place

, the macron party in the second place, only marine lippen in the third place, that's right, even in the third place, that's how it is obvious that the leftists believe that they now own the post of prime minister , but the prime minister in france is appointed by the president, the only thing the parliament can do is express a vote of no confidence in michel barnier, his government. but now the following question arises. of course the left would like to do this because they feel they have been duped. but if marine le pen's party, which is far-right, a barnier, he is a moderate conservative, she will express no confidence in barnier's government, then obviously the next prime minister of france will be a left-wing politician. this does not need to be explained. then macron will force. will not appoint a left-wing politician and no marine le pen will be able to express a vote of no confidence in his government, because the leftists and macronists will support this government in the parliament,

so marine le pen is much better off being neutral towards this government in order to prevent the left from coming to power, i.e. initially with the left against the far right, and now with the support of the far-right, against the left, yes, but here a new question arises. how justified are the actions of prime minister president macron at all, for the reason that, as you remember, in macron's political program after the european parliament elections , stopping the far right was the main message, and they were thus demonized in the eyes public opinion. of the french, and if the president is going to rely on them now for the stability of his government, which he appointed, then maybe marine le pen is not as terrible as she is portrayed, so i say again that

this is... a big game with a risky sum, because on the one hand, macron will really manage to run the country more or less comfortably until the end of his term, again, if this government lasts, we don't yet know what the cooperation of michel barnier and emmanuel macron, you see, the previous prime ministers of france owed their political careers to the president, he appointed people who, without him, would not have become what they became, in the case of michel barnier absolutely a different situation, his political career in general is in no way related to emmanuel macron, moreover, they believed that he could even become the next president of france, if the republicans, say, voted for him, and not for, say, those candidates who at one time ran for their party on the position of the president of france, after

the term has expired. will never happen again, although again, in politics, such a thing can never be said, now barnier is called the french biden, well, biden can become president at the age of 77, as we know, jokes are jokes, but he is definitely a man, which will not be dependent on the president, who can consider the president his political son, not his political mentor. because compared to the prime minister, macron is a young man, and in this situation we also do not know how it will happen, but in any case it is clear that it will be the government that will continue macron's policy, at least in terms of the situation with help of ukraine and that, by the way, before the rheinstein summit, which we talked about, macron spoke with zelensky, this was also such an eloquent signal of the continuity of this politicians and in general, if we talk about this

appointment politically, we understand that the left, well, if they did not lose, then at least tactically they lost now, because they expected that their candidate would be the prime minister, the right , of course, lost, so that they lost, but it is clear that this opens a new stage of the political struggle in france, there will be protests, there will be even here... there is no need, there is no need to doubt it, but i am told that it has already started today, and these protests, well, that absolutely fine, but macron lives with these protests, how long is it normal for france and not only macron lives by it, all his predecessors and all his successors will live by it, but by this, after all, who can ultimately emerge victorious in this after such a bow,

after... such development of events right or left? the winner so far is macron, who will be the winner? will it be clear after the presidential election? when the presidential elections will be held in france after this term of macron and we will know the name of the winners, that's when we will say whether macron's policy was correct. if the result of this policy is the election of a centrist candidate as the new president of france, then we will say that... that macron performed all this balancing act absolutely appropriately, that he succeeded in this way through complex, i would say, techniques, and very often at the cost of losing some even political reputation to do everything possible to keep his legacy and bring to the post of president of france a person who is his political heir, if a candidate... to the post

of president.