the winner so far is macron, who will be the winner, it will already be clear after the presidential elections, but when the presidential elections are held in france after this term of macron, and we will know the name of the winners, that's when we will say whether the policy was correct macron, if the result of this policy is the election of the centrist candidate as the new president of france, then we will say that macron is performing all this balancing act. it is absolutely appropriate that he succeeded in this way through complex, i would say, techniques and very often at the cost of losing even some political reputation, to do everything possible in order to keep his legacy and to bring to the position of the president of france a person who is his political heir, if

a person of left or right political orientation is elected as a candidate for the memory of the president... in france , we will say that it is of the far-right, it is also possible that macron paved the way to the presidential palace for mélenchon or marine le pen or some other person, and here one thing must be understood: there may be no spanish, no far-left and no far-right candidate, there may be a completely different turn of events, whether macron himself is the heir to his legacy. it's a tie, because he's a centrist, he's a centrist, but by and large, those republicans whose representative was michel barnier were also considered centrists before macron, there was simply no such political force that was, let's say, more moderate than the republicans in the fifth the republic, and the socialists, who were also considered center-left, they actually shrunk to imperceptible proportions during the term of office of françois hollande, we have remember that the predecessors of... eli macron as

president of france was a socialist president, and before him there was a republican president, a golist, one and the other, and only these two forces replaced each other at the head of the fifth republic , or the republicans, or the party there, which were before the republicans, the so-called golists, or the socialists. now both of these forces do not play a leading role in their political spectrum, that is. michel barnier still remember the days when the republicans were the main political force in france, now they have several seats in parliament, moreover, they are divided because part of their party decided to support marine le pen. the main force on the right wing is not the republicans, marine lippen's national association, on the left the socialists are not the main party of the left coalition, the main party of the left coalition is the rebellious france, the ultra-left force and luc mélenchon. and the socialists can equal

their influence to the communists, who in general would seem to have been completely marginalized in the last decade, once when the president françois mitterrand, a socialist, was first elected as front of france, and he invited the communists to participate in his first government, it seemed like a mere political sensation, because the weight of the communists did not correspond to their governmental capacity, even then in france, but they were much more in the party than now, well, as a result, we have a completely different situation, as you understand. a situation that is completely different from the situation we are in now, and the end of emmanuel macron's term can quite clearly be connected with the fact that there will be something else, someone else, who will mark a completely new political trend, because all these forces that rule france today or are in opposition can finally compromise themselves from the point of view of political possibilities, it can be like that too. we continue

to move around europe, because in fact , very interesting, possibly dramatic processes are taking place in europe today, and from france we are moving to germany, germany, germany, once again germany, it is the state of affairs for the current week in the focus of the commentators. in focus politicians, why? because on the previous sunday , elections were held for two federal states of this state, these are federal states, which are mostly located in the east of the state, in the center of the state, these are the states that were part of the gdr, and according to the results of these elections , we saw that we won... or the far-right from

the afd political party, alternative for germany. but in addition to this, another political force appeared, she. is called the sahra wagengt alliance and it scored 12.2 and 15.7% respectively in saxony and thuringia, if we recall, in these two federal elections were held in the lands. if we talk about the results of the alternative for germany, then in saxony, in fact, the christian democrats and the alternative for germany practically won. the same result, well, the cdu is a little more, the cdu is a little more there, but if we talk about the distribution of mandates, they have one or two more seats there, that is, about 32% of the votes, yes, if we talk about thuringia, then there is an alternative for germany

received approximately 33% of the vote, yes, that is , 10% more than it was in 2019, christian. democrats got almost 24%, well, the coalition, the german coalition, a typical today's coalition, the social democrats, the greens, got a simply devastating result, yes, the free democrats did not pass at all, the free democrats did not pass at all, and this is the trend in both federal states, but as an alternative for germany, so is this alliance. new, it is such an absolutely incomprehensible ideological political force, some call it the left, and the left, the malimilanchon party in france, they call it populist, yes, in fact they won half of the votes in both federal lands, so if

there are approximately 48, 48, let's say that within the limits, if we talk about political forces that did not pass, then we are talking about half, what does this indicate, mr. vitaly? will it affect the position of the central government, the federal government, and the main question is that next year, in 2025, there will be another election in germany, a nationwide election, and actually this result made many people so worried and very... many people and in germany and in europe, they consider this to be a prelude to possible changes, to possible growth, both right-wing populists and left populists, well, first of all, it should be said that there is no need to worry so much here, because these are the elections in eastern germany, so in

eastern germany the mood of the voters differs from the mood of the voters in the west, traditionally, despite the fact that three decades of german there is no unity, political unity. and of course, the mood of voters in western countries will differ from the mood of voters in eastern countries. we will see it soon. as for the real success of gehnecht and the alliance, it was also predicted, because sarevekt takes a large number of votes from the left. on the left, yes. and, by the way, in saxony, the federal government was headed by christians. by the democrats, and by the way, the head of this government, he spoke out against aid to ukraine, because it was mi- mikhail krejcima, because it was the general line in this country, in turing, where now the alternativeists won with such a result, the government was led by leftists , there was

the prime minister, bode ramelov, one of the leaders of the left party, and by the way, all sociological polls in züringei on the eve of the elections, they showed that the majority of people there wanted to see ramelov as the next prime minister of this federal land, only this did not coincide with their attitude towards the left party itself, they liked ramelov and liked sara vgne's alliance, this is also important, so nothing particularly increased in these from the point of view of the left force, because it's just that the left has lost everything, well, sarah wegehnek, who was one of the leaders of the party of the left, used to be a more popular politician than the party of the left itself, if the bodar ... would create his list in turingi, maybe he would have won the elections, that ’s how to know, but what is the concern, what is there at all, is that

the fragmentation of german political life is beginning, you named these parties, of which 48%, one ultra- right, one ultra-leftist, tsarovneh in general , a politician with stalinist views, but there is something that unites them, the migration policy against nato, against the eu, and against ukraine, and for russia, and for russia, so against. when president zelensky spoke in the bundestag, deputies from both of these parties left the bundestag meeting hall, i.e. these are people who don't seem to have politically opposing views, they are never going to block each other, huh, but they are actually ready to support the same principled positions, this is a dangerous moment, the second moment, the alternative party for germany remains even after these elections, politically not ... occupied throughout germany, including in saxony and cerinca. and the christian democratic union, which is supposed

to form the government, it cannot form a government with this party, so the fate of this government, it remains, is a big question, but, together however, the christian democrats do not consider sarevektakh such a dangerous party, that is, in principle, they are ready to negotiate with it at the local level. and this means that these demands put forward by sara vegekhneh can be implemented at least at the land level, by the way, you said that there behind russia, no, sara vegekhneh had a clear pre-election program that concerned ukraine, stop the question aid to ukraine and start a diplomatic solution to the conflict was the central issue of the election campaign and in saxony tsering, and is now a central question. pre-election campaign in the federal state of brondenburg, where the elections for lantag will also take place not far away, and

sara wagehnecht says that her main coalition language is not to provide aid to ukraine, that she will negotiate only with those parties that support this demand. mr. vitaly, why such a principled position? in fact, it would seem that this is not something that should bother the average german citizen, this is war. and here we see such a principled position, here are some handles of russia, or is it hers just such a personal position no, this is a war, well of course russia influences it, it always wanted to have good relations with russia, but the german voter, especially in the eastern lands, he thinks that germany is spending money on someone else's war, which can come like this or otherwise to him, at least in the financial sense of the word, that all the deterioration of the standard of living in germany is connected with the war, and he himself... she wants peace, well, you know that, as it has always been, remember, as at one time the soviet union organized in the west

in germany, the peace movement against the pershings, while actually placing missiles on the territory of east germany, and when these fighters for peace were asked, why does no one tell east germany that there should be no missiles, and they did not answer anything, they fought with american and not with soviet missiles, so i think that this position is absolutely obvious, tsarevnekh believes that this war... it is the west's fault, because the west did not provide russia with security guarantees, because the west is dragging ukraine in nato, and nato threatens russia, we know all this nonsense, but... the question is not that we know it, the question is that imagine a new german parliament in which the christian democrats will be the winners, i assure you, it is logical, but in which the social democrats will be at the wrong level, on which they used to be, because they may be green at the wrong level, ugh, ugh, it may not be. free democrats, there will be a large faction of the alternative for germany, with which no one will want to

deal, and there will be an alliance of tsarevknekh, and imagine another large coalition, well, but there may be a repetition of the gsd coalition plus social democrats, they may not have enough seats, i'm telling you again, there may not be enough social democrats, there may or may not be enough seats, that is, us, if there will still be ksd + social democrats, this is traditional. merkel's coalition, then one thing, i repeat, this is an option, but there may not be an option, because the social democrats in the opposition are failing, i want to remind you that in the previous elections, the social democrats performed worse than when, they power only because this situation has developed for the three parties is not bad, and that people are tired from the cdu, in general, the winner of the election was not the social democrats, but the cdu, they became the real winners of the election. in your opinion, this new alliance, it can possibly become

a new member of the coalition, of course, and i think it will, it is absolutely real, and there is another important point, there were two people's parties in germany, the social democrats and the christian democrats , here are these election results in saxony and thuringia, and the same will happen in bundenburg, i think they can show an important thing that the social democrats are no longer a people's party, in... germany now has two there may be other people's parties, the christian democrats in the east and the alternative, ugh, in the west only the christian democrats, and maybe the alliance, and maybe the alliance will eat. not quite, this is still the political field of the left, the left is the heir of the socialist united party of germany, this party that ruled the gdr, they all come from these circles, but this is a very dangerous moment, precisely from the point of view of our interests and european interests , these people, they are eurosceptics, these people, they are connected to

moscow, these people, they are absolutely demagogues, when it comes to politics. after all, they go to the russian embassy, ​​the leaders of the alternative for germany, as you know, go to the russian embassy in berlin, and the leftists also go to the ultra-left, and i want to remind you of one more important thing, if we are already talking about europe, the party of the alternative there was no place for germany in any of the factions of the european parliament that represent ultra-right political forces, george melanie did not accept them, and viktor orbán and marine lippen did not accept them, that is, even for viktor. which seems to us to be so already it is absolutely obvious that he is a pro- putin alternative, he does not want to have any common future with her, that is, it is a completely different spectrum of political life, and we will now see how sara wegehnech's position will look in german political life, now that she has already shown that it can

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topic, and it also concerns international politics and international issues. turkey submitted an application to brics, and i want to remind brics that it is actually an economic organization, a political and economic organization, which includes russia and china. india, brazil, other states that can be conventionally called states of the global south. and here is turkey, turkey, which is a member of nato, turkey which allegedly for many decades , turkey has been claiming membership in the european union, which, well, let's say so, or on the one hand is on the side of the civilized world, the nato bloc, and on the other hand is trying to sit on two chairs. and so she applies to brics, where, i say again, russia, where china is. mr. vitaly, how do you assess

this kind of movement, it would seem that the state, well, which is in the other camp, and which one, and from which side and not in the other camp? well, because this is the traditional action of politician erdoğan. ugh, ugh he is constantly trying to show that turkey is an independent player. which is between the poles, which plays the role played by the ottoman empire, which was neither there nor there, not with the west, but also not with the east, and it must be such a leader in this situation that is needed and there is, the west cannot abandon turkey as an ally, also for obvious reasons, because we understand very well that turkey has a strategically important situation for nato, it is simply geographically located, and it is one of the... most important nato countries in general, and on the other hand, of course, countries like china, brazil, and russia need to have special relations with turkey, and we were not

surprised that on the one hand, you see, erdogan supports the territorial integrity of ukraine, says that crimea is ukrainian, speaks on the crimean platform, turkey supplies us with bairaktars, erdogan meets with putin, helps russia minimize the results of sanctions. helps russian oligarchs feel comfortable in turkey because it is virtually the only country that can provide them the western level of service, well, maybe there compared to the united arab emirates in competition, but it is still the united arab emirates - it is quite the east, and these people want to live in such an imitation of europe, in such a conventional fethiye, where simply you can have a yacht and a port, as if you were in antibes, antibes is no longer allowed, at least they are allowed to... with their money and their capabilities, they even talked about the fact that in turkey there are villas of putin's relatives, putin's family , we now

know that putin even has two sons, whom he gave birth to in valdai, whether allegedly yes or no or they can, but they can go to turkey, but rather to their mother, and no, not to france, look, we used to know that when putin was there, when. .. small, he had a villa in biarritz, this is a luxurious resort on the french coast, and there, then, his daughters, who are also not clear where they are and what they are, but in this villa in biarritz, putin himself rested, this was his beloved city, his wives, his daughters, so this current one, as if his wife, and his today's children are already resting somewhere in turkish resorts, well, that should be appreciated. and again, these are special relations, that is, it turns out that it is possible to maintain good, friendly relations with russia on the one hand, and on the other hand to maintain good

friendly relations with ukraine, on the one hand to be a member of nato, and on the other hand to apply for brics . well, we will say right away that brics does not oblige anyone to anything, it is not even an economic union, it is a club based on interests, and the main direction of this club is to demonstrate that the country is global. can jointly oppose the western economy, although this is also not the case, because all these countries depend on the western economy, and turkey the most, even more than china, because the entire turkish economy is oriented to the west, and that is why they were now talking about the fact that rejepordogan so important is the relationship with the united states both in terms of the weapons he gets for his army and of course also in terms of... economic assistance, because the situation in the turkish economy is not the best, but he is doing such gesture, making such a gesture, he's not the only one, we know that now many countries have applied

to brics, then... we don't even know if they've been accepted or not, we 've been discussing recently, i think, whether to join brics of saudi arabia, and there is no answer to this question, as if it submitted an application, but then it somehow withdrew this application, that is, it did not enter brics and did not fully understand its role, there are states that are observers in brics, which they come there, but they are not members, erdogan came to brics forums, we know, there too also spoke, but he... still hasn't made any decision on joining the organization, so this is a gesture towards the west, that you need to be more accommodating to us, you need to be more considerate of us, otherwise we will go in the other direction, only we have seen , well, this is also an internal political moment, you see, i read a text by one of the leading turkish publicists in the columns of the turkish publication karar, and he says that... the problem is

that when we talk about nato, about the european union , we are demanded all the time reforms, changes in the constitution from the point of view of human rights, the implementation of the decision of the european court of human rights, the implementation of the decisions of the turkish constitutional court, all this is not happening, and therefore, of course, erdoğan asks, why is it not happening, we want to go to the european court to the union, we want this or that, and... you don't take us, but brix, she doesn't make any such demands, the idea of ​​brix is ​​precisely that they accept their members as they are. brics does not discuss human rights issues, even the democratic countries that are in the brics, there are already brazil, india and saudi arabia, they are , unlike china, democratic countries, what unites them, you can find out with russia, china, apart from economic interest, but they still never are discussing the

human rights situation, you understand, at the brics meetings. and erdoğan knows very well that if he joins this organization, let's say the president of azerbaijan, ilham aliyev, who, after talks with putin in baku, unexpectedly announced that azerbaijan will also to join brics, they know for sure that they will not have any comments, this event is starting to talk about not such parliamentary elections in azerbaijan, only supporters of ilham aliyev entered the parliament. boycott position, who cares in brics? he has at least competitive elections in china, which no one even suspected since the founding of the people's republic of china, so that on the one hand, this is a foreign political signal, and on the other hand, an outline of domestic political priorities of what turkey would be like if all of erdogan's political dreams came true. the only thing is, i don't think there will be such a turkish language, because the era of erdoğan is one way or another

we... we can see this from the results of the last local elections in turkey and from how difficult it was for erdoğan to hold on to power the last time, it is catching up one way or the other until the end, and erdoğan is just trying to stop this by consolidating society on an anti-western agenda like this, i don't think this is the right approach for him, because society can also want changes we see that there is a desire for change in turkey, again against the background of serious economic problems that have arisen in... erdogan's economic policy is quite voluntary. i don't think admissions to brick can in any way affect this desire for change. well, on the other hand, erdogan wants to create the conditions for the creation of neo-erdogan. yes, that is, we also have to understand that he actually started such an operation as a successor. i think so, about

my son-in-law, yes. but we on the other hand, we do not know how the events in turkey will develop, at least in a few years, ahead that different events may take place before that time. that's all for today, we thank you for being with saturday's political club, vitaly portnikov, andriy smolii, thank you for watching this program and watching espresso in the future, all the best and goodbye. victory and peace. the russians are approaching pokrovsk, why is it important for us to keep this particular city, the days of mourning in lviv and poltava, how will it recover?