of world war i was that they were able to relocate military factories to the urals in the center of russia, by the way, they relocated many enterprises, you know what the effect of our and the belarusian economic disaster of the 90s was, that they relocated a huge number of enterprises light industry, food industry, well , they left it there, and they left it there, but military enterprises were returned. therefore, in belarus and ukraine in 1991, the vast majority of the economy that was based there was a military economy, an economy of the military industry, the whole economy, which, by and large, ukraine and belarus would inherit from the russian empire, and these were developed regions from an industrial point of view, because it was europe, it all remained somewhere in saratov, and they did it on purpose. as you understand, external

track: negotiations, mongolia, which we just mentioned, putin again talked about some negotiations, well, again, the negotiations that he sees in his head, based on the istanbul agreements, putin said, again once again, he repeats this like a mantra more than once on various discussion panels. meetings and so on and the like, he also stated that it is necessary to remove the bandits from kurshchyna and only then, conditionally speaking, it will be possible to talk with ukraine. well, in general, putin did make his visit to mongolia, which we talked about exactly seven days ago, despite the fact that mongolia should again, should have arrested putin. she did not do this,

that is, in fact, putin, while laughing at international law, once again spat on any international treaties on international criminal court, well, it was quite clear, and we talked about it with mr. vitaly, and i repeat it again exactly seven days ago in this studio, but if we talk together about this track of changes that putin said and his arrival in mongolia, why putin again... talks about negotiations, although it would seem that two weeks ago, three weeks ago, four weeks ago, putin, piskov, other so-called talking heads of russia were talking about the fact that there will be no negotiations, that is, don't you consider it another, another dust in eyes, as they say, on international platforms, again, well, in general, here is his trip to mongolia, how do you evaluate it? well, if we talk about negotiations, then...

once again, i remind you that putin, one way or another, is not so much a politician, he is also a hebist, the task of a hebist is to confuse the public, so today you say one thing, tomorrow you say another, everyone are lost in what he really wants, he wants to destabilize the situation, i can tell you this for sure, that is, first he says that in order for negotiations to begin, ukraine must withdraw your troops. from donetsk, luhansk, kherson, zaporizhzhia regions, demilitarize, de-nazify. now we are talking about the istanbul agreements. but i think it's actually even simpler. that's when he talked about all these donetsk, luhansk, kherson and zaporizhzhia regions. he said this in russia at internal meetings. ugh. at some meeting of the security council, the security council of the nation after the kursk region, he is in general. i say that there is no need for any talks

with ukraine now, it was all planned for the internal audience, we are angry, we will never talk to them at all with these nazis who occupied the holy russian land, of course, now this is the eastern economic forum, that is, putin’s speechwriters are given a task, this is just the plan, it is being written, write theses of a possible peace process by ukraine, so that... the countries of the global south like it, there it is not about istanbul as an essence, there it is about what he will be happy to see as mediators of the countries of the global south, and not west, and i'm sorry, it seems he said it at one, at one of the regular meetings within brics, he also said it, actually, and now he spoke at this session of the east, that is, when he sees them in front of his eyes, how do you understand? then he wants to say something that they

took as a sign of respect, and he does it, ugh, why not do it, it's worthless, but china and brazil put forward a peace plan, it basically contradicts it. interest because he would not want a ceasefire on the contact line, he does not in principle really wants a ceasefire and is definitely on the front line, but why not tell him that he supports it, that he wants them to be mediators, they will be happy, they are important to him, they help him prevent sanctions, china helps him survive in general, what's the problem, well, he said, there will be a new event tomorrow, the press service will write new theses, it's almost like the theses to medvedev, to medvedev... there is another idea, if you like, it consists in the fact that he sticks to himself a city stupid, and that's why they wrote today the post that the united states will soon fall apart, and what is there to do with them,

they will fall apart, and this is a response to the statement that russia will fall apart, made by certain experts and politicians there, well, you think that russia will fall apart, we believe that the united states will fall apart, you and i are already flowers, that's all. well, that is, i would not pay attention to these words. i proceed from the axiom that russian-ukrainian negotiations on the end of the war are impossible in principle, that it can be forgotten, for the simple reason that the tasks of the russian federation are a logical task from the point of view of the restoration of imperial powers, there is the taming of ukraine and the occupation of our country. and the creation, at least of the sphere of influence from uzhgorod to... ashkhab, may not be a common state, it is always a question of whether they will have enough strength to make a state, because they may now think that it is a mistake to make a common state, as they at one time annexed galicia to ukraine, and as a result, yes, why experiment again, you can make a vassal state, but this entire zone must be russian,

yes, and of course with a russian army that can to enter and leave there, as in kazakhstan, she entered. it turned out like this, such a model, which means that peace talks are impossible here, negotiations on a ceasefire are possible, as i have already said, at the moment of exhaustion of the demographic, economic, military and political resources of the warring countries, and this is a question that ukraine should fall for a day later in russia, that's it, nothing else will happen, there are no other formulas, you can hold dozens of peace forums there, meet, go on visits to western politicians or. to eastern politicians, it is nothing will help, the conflict is existential, existential, such conflicts do not end, if they begin, then you just need to, i would say, realize this and live in a state of this conflict, without inventing unnecessary illusions, and without trying

to understand why it is he said all this, again, the ceasefire can be at least tomorrow, if he realizes that it is not profitable for him to climb further, then we will stop them, let's say... odesa, they will break into our defenses like a rock, if such a thing, like a rock if possible, and let's just say their attacks won't work before the ukrainians freeze in winter, well, that means we need to gather forces, we need a ceasefire, if this level of attack does not work, then we need another, much stronger one, but it needs to be constructed, maybe it will be in 5 years, so such a ceasefire fire is possible, i don't see everything else yet. real application. mongolia: putin arrived in mongolia, a party to the rome statute. ugh. should have arrested putin. we also predicted it, talked about it, discussed it, but less so, the fact is the fact:

putin arrived, putin was received, putin spoke, chatted, expressed his point of view and went back to russia. what consequences will this have, mr. vitaly, for international law, in general for the geopolitical model, none, none, i can explain to you why, there is also a simple formula, putin, of course, really wanted to laugh at the international criminal court, he laughed, in he succeeded in everything, he came to the country that signed the roman statute, went back, he was met there with a guard of honor, and with pomp, there was no... what judges he sued, none the citizen did not file a lawsuit in his own court, well, this is an important issue, with a demand to arrest a war criminal who arrived on the territory of mongolia, but you saw this story that a certain polish citizen

filed a personal lawsuit against zelenskyi in volyn. ugh. so, it is obvious that zelenskyi is definitely not responsible for volyn, but as the president of... ukraine, he has become a participant in this lawsuit for her, she is trying to use the law of her own country, that is, we can be surprised by this, this her claim as propaganda. but this is how the law works in democratic areas, the court can take note of this and can answer that i'm sorry, this lawsuit of yours is not against us and is inappropriate, well, according to the legislation, well , but information is certain, well, when, what do i mean , when the president of sudan, amar albashar , arrived in the republic of south africa at the invitation of the president of the republic of south africa, the previous jacob zuma, also like putin in mongolia, there was a court decision that he should be detained. ugh, it just isn't managed to be implemented, and they perfectly understood that there could be a court decision,

they just organized so that he had time to leave, ugh, ugh, there was nothing like that in mongolia, so what am i leading to, so it is necessary, andrii, so that the formula is mutual, so that it is possible to come to a country like mongolia, and that the court is controlled in that country. that is, it is necessary to take the list of countries that are signatories of the rome statute, to delete from this list all countries in which the judicial system is not controlled by the president or monarch, well, putin wanted to go to the south african republic, it was explained to him that there could be a court decision, and you, if you do not have time to escape, well, this is despite the fact that the south african republic is also a quite corrupt country, but despite on that, this is a democratic country, a democratic country is relative, there may be a judge who will decide so. yes yes to the subject of

the decision federation. and is the city in which the opposition rules there already absolutely in brazil, right? and that's all, well, president lula himself was in prison, he was put in prison by the actual courts that the courts in brazil can impeach its own president or parliament speaker. so why can't he piss off putin? well, that means. we delete all these countries, we only have those countries in which the president controls the judicial system, as in mongolia, and in which not a single citizen will even try to do something, because he is aware of the dependence of his country on russia, well, these countries are becoming even fewer, do you understand which countries putin can theoretically make his next trip to, and we need to know whether and whether he will generally try to at least make such if they provide him, no, well, it is clear that some kind of negotiations will be held before this, and it is clear that there

will be, as they say, for and against the kremlin regimes, how many of these countries, but it is also necessary to understand, countries in principle not so many who signed the rome statute, though, then, again, it's a question of airspace, we need this one. to cross, we are talking about countries that not only signed, but also ratified the roman s, not just participants of the international criminal court, well that's it a huge problem, you see, by the way , armenia, putin may want to go to armenia, that would really be for him. such a moment to put prime minister nikol poshenyan in a difficult situation,

but you see, somehow he does not go to armenia very much, he would rather go to mongolia than to armenia, this is also an important moment, because there are countries that they will simply somehow try to do everything that he did not arrive there, and this is also a huge problem, which also... exists in this country, in general, 122 countries followed the roman statute, so i look and see so this is most of the world, that's right, but this is the democratic part of the world, don't forget, there are only 193 countries in the un, it's a pain, if you look at the map, so i look, and we see that these are generally african countries. they, among them there are also those who control the judicial system, those who do not control the judicial system, this is

a whole, of course, he will look for such countries, yes, that's all, but there are not many of them, as you can see, you you can completely cross out europe, cross out north america, and latin america to strike out, because there are no dictatorships that would control the judicial system, so there are some isolated countries in asia, there are very few of them, they have them there. nothing has been ratified yet, as you can see, there are no such countries in asia, in fact, japan does not count, the truth and... whatever it is, oh we, by the way, dear viewers, we can now on the screen to see this map, that is , only the countries of africa remain, yes, which mr. vitaly and i are currently considering, you can now see this map on your screens and that what you need there is the green color, and here you see the participating states that signed and ratified it in green, and in yellow

they signed, but did not ratify, and... they also signed in orange, but then withdrew, and did not sign , did not ratify, but putin is interested in precisely those countries that, as we understand, were in principle signatories and ratifiers of this and this agreement, because everything else is absolutely irrelevant, and there is a huge problem here, of course, yes that's what he says... they tried to persuade him to this visit enough for a long time, we still understand, and by the way, when this visit took place, our mongolian colleagues from the democratic press specially recorded a video, translated it into russian, that you do not understand that 95% of our

oil products come from russia, we do not we can arrest putin. for the simple reason that we are between russia and china, and here the question is obvious, that if putin came to you, you cannot arrest him. the question is why you invited him, well , you invited him precisely because he told you that you wanted further economic cooperation. well, of course, in such a situation we can have economic cooperation, only if you come to our meeting and most importantly, the consequences. the international criminal court does not even have the right to suspend the powers of a judge from mongolia, who recently. started work in the collegium of this court, in principle, no real consequences, except for such a conditional disgrace, the decision of mongolia to invite and release putin, ugh, ugh, no, and that is why this is a precedent, but i repeat, a precedent only for those countries in which the government clearly controls the judiciary, and putin is fine

understands that in some india, as you understand, he will not enter, even if he is invited three times. on rendramody, because on rendramody, like lula, like cyril ramaphosa, like everyone else, they cannot give him security guarantees, a man like putin will not go anywhere in his life without a security guarantee, and that's why he can, it's like that pyrrhic victory, you see, you can go somewhere a couple of times, but in any case, most of the world remains untouched for him, well, let's continue our conversation on the air, in a few minutes with us. a short pause, and we we'll be back, don't switch.

kortnikov and we continue our conversation, another important event took place this week, this is the so-called reformatting of the government. in fact, we saw that a number of ministers wrote statements of their own volition, after which these statements were submitted to

the verkhovna rada of ukraine for consideration, and the president on his side, and the majority on the other. actually, the appointment of new ministers was considered, this was the result of the reshuffle, although some of the government officials who worked before this change were shuffled into the office of the president of ukraine, in particular, we saw that iryna vereshchuk was appointed deputy head of the office of the president of ukraine, on your screens now we... actually see these reshuffles, who became who, someone was promoted, someone from the deputies received the position of minister, well... we have that , what we have, but here the question arises for many people, for many experts, for many journalists, that here is this

shuffling, this reshuffling in the government, it was actually of such a formal nature, because it did not happen almost once after the resignation of the report of these people, yes . we have seen these reshuffles between various authorities, why the president, why is the government shuffling now, it doesn't matter at all and what does it all mean, why now? does not matter at all, now, not now, we have to realize a fairly simple thing, if we want to be a european country at all, ministers are usually politicians in normal countries, they are political figures who come from certain political forces and carry out their own positions political program. in principle, there are no managers in power, which is formed by political power, and should not be maybe by definition, either it is russia or

belarus, there are managers and the management of ukraine is very similar to that, if we are serious, because here we are now, did we talk about the most prominent person there in the international plan was dmytro kuleba in the government , and we discussed what kind of minister dmytro koleba was, what kind of minister andriy sebykh will be, but i... i apologize, dmytro kuleba and andriy sebyho, they are professional diplomats, a diplomat should not head the ministry of foreign affairs, that is not normal in education, anywhere, but warm about dmytro koleba said annalena berbuk, she's a diplomat, she's the leader of the greens party, i'm sorry, a candidate for the position of chancellor, it's just that the greens didn't win the elections, antoni blinke spoke warmly about dmytro kolyba, he's a professional diplomat, he's a political figure and expert. or there, i don't know, the minister of foreign affairs of italy, taiani, he is a diplomat, he is the leader of the berlusconi party, sikorsky, he is

a diplomat, he was once the minister of defense, he is a politician, he was one of the leaders of the law and justice party, and then the party civil platform, when when the views of the leaders of law and justice began to contradict his political views, and we are all the time stealing some reshuffles in some council of ministers of the ukrainian ssr, these are managers, they can be better, they can be worse, but in the european in the country, managers do not manage ministries, these people, they should be, for the most part, in the positions of state secretaries of ministries, choose such a career, and move along this line, and ministers should be politicians, in conditions where the ukrainian society does not understand in principle. what is politics, and when the head of state has never been involved in politics, he is already talking, he manages several managers together with me, this cannot be, sullivan is not a manager, he is a political

expert, he is a figure who is in the biden administration, why is this important, so that we understand, because when the country is run by managers, there is no political discussion, here is volodymyr zelenskyi, he has been single-handedly running the country since 2019. in fact, this is the only person who makes all the decisions in the entire vertical of power, in fact, no one else does does not make any decisions, does not make any decisions of the prime minister, who did not even come to see the changes in his own office, actually about this and why he is coming, if he is a manager, none of the representatives of the office makes decisions of the president of ukraine, because they are managers, managers do not make decisions, they provide, so there is one person who until 2019 was engaged in anything but politics. and this person in the conditions when it comes to whether this state will exist tomorrow on the political map of the world or has disappeared, as if it never was and will become a part of russia, one person makes all decisions in

accordance with some reports and views offered by people who are not interested in a political career, and most importantly, not interested in a political career, because the minister must be interested in successful. political career, in how to find a dialogue with people, not with zelensky, but with citizens who will later vote for him, because he is a politician. annalena berbak doesn't think about how to please olaf scholz, she thinks about how to please the people who will to vote for the green party in the coming years, that is, to be effective in the position of foreign minister, in the eyes of the people, not in the eyes of scholz, the finance minister, germany lindner thinks about how to be effective in the eyes of the voters of the free democrats, and not in scholz's eyes. if it turns out that they are trying

to solve something with the... chancellor, they are immediately punished, as it happened in the last state elections in germany, and everyone says that this is their punishment for forgetting that they are politicians, uh, so ukrainian surnames ministers do not matter, what matters is the effectiveness of decision-making, can decisions made in the absence of political life be effective, no, because then it turns into a lottery, today you can make some decision, tomorrow you make some fatal decision, leads to the collapse of your own state and the defeat of your army, can it be so, of course it can, because there are no competing opinions in any democratic state, again, if we do not want to build a russian belarus here, but if we want, it is not clear why we are at war with russia, we can join it and calmly build together with it what we like, so if we do not want to build russia and belarus here, then we need a political life, why i all the time insisted on

the necessity. of the government of national unity, because i knew for sure that the ministers of this government, especially if they are statesmen, and we understand that in our national democratic parties, unlike this party, which was molded, it is not known from what in 2019 won the election, exactly there are politicians, or they are experts who are supported by statist political forces, thanks to whom ukraine has existed for three decades, and did not disappear a long time ago, as was planned in moscow. you understand, if... we did not have national-democratic political forces, there would be neither independence in the 90s, nor ukraine's survival during the kuchmiv period, there would be no national democrats, the kuchmiv oligarchs would have joined b this unfortunate ukraine to the russian federation, even before putin, nor the maidan of 2004, nor the maidan in 2013-14, none of this happened, it would have been here a long time ago, well, if not russia in the full sense of the word, then belarus, and there would have been a long time ago...

a russian governor would have sat here and a long time ago, no one would have said a word on television in ukrainian said, and the flag would have been red and blue a long time ago, and not the one that you and i are protecting together with the state, everything was over a long time ago, because the majority of the population would have watched it completely calmly, because they voted for pro-russian politicians, yes would be, and that is why i believed that the government of national unity is a guarantee that once again, ukrainian society will not engage in suitsa. an ideal mistake in conditions when the question of the survival of the state is the main question for everyone, because now it is not just about the survival of the state, but about the fact that russia will undoubtedly destroy and drive out the vast majority of ukrainians, and all those who watch television today will to look for themselves, if they are not in their graves, which i am far from sure of, they will look for their fate in other worlds, in the conditions of the greatest migratory, i would say, test in european history of the 21st century, all this, can

it be all this? of course, maybe you don't even imagine the scale of this, what can happen, why then should we hope that the lottery will take us out, not take us out, lotteries have never taken anyone out, because in the lottery you can make a good decision, or you can fail, if there are conditions of competition, if the person who is in the government, the minister of defense, the minister of foreign affairs, the minister of the interior, the minister of finance, they understand that they have a political future. they can tell the president no, they must to do otherwise, the government can say no to the president, the president can understand what the government's recommendations are, agree with them or disagree, because there can be a situation when the right of the president is against the government, that was not the case either, and this is competitive work, which what is happening here, what should be the fate of all these people who left the government, some of them can only think that they will start a political career,

but as a matter of fact... this never happens with former ministers in our conditions, in our on the contrary, even politicians cease to be politicians after becoming ministers, and after that, their rating is zero, well within the margin of error, and if it is a manager, well , he will transfer, someone will transfer to work in some state or non-state, private company, i will advise, someone will be, perhaps, an ambassador somewhere, because we have now even diplomatically... work has turned into a spectacle, really, someone else will be someone else, it doesn’t matter, that is, these people, when they are in the ministerial offices, they think about everything, but not about their political future, and i once again, to think about the political future means to think about people, not to think about your political future.