tsokirzonnya, the lost homeland. the banks of the mountain, the former village of boykivske. on january 1 , 1939, 790 people lived in the village, 750 of them ukrainians. on june 12, 1946, the ukrainian population was forcibly deported to the ussr. creative. a ukrainian village on the banks of the sian has disappeared. in 1939, 960 residents lived in the village. ukrainians in 1947, as part of the vistula operation, the residents were evicted, and the village was burned down. yablinky is an ancient ukrainian village in the mountain ranges of the western beskids. as of the 38th year, 600 people lived in the village, of which 562 were ukrainians, some were deported to the ssr, part to the north of poland. the village ceased to exist. in total, there were more than 800 villages and towns with a ukrainian population in the polish republic. almost 700,000 ukrainians were deprived. hello again

ladies and gentlemen, my name is mykola veresen, 18:30 minutes and 50 seconds, and i hope oleg shamshur, diplomat, ambassador of ukraine to the united states from the 5th to the 10th years will appear now and the ambassador of ukraine in france from the 14th to the 20th years. we will focus today. i think in the united states, good health, mr. oleg, thank you for being with by us, so, well, we, we know that on tuesday, as far as i understand, well, in short , on september 10, the debate between presidential candidates harris and trump in the united states will be on tv on the abc channel, and i understand that everyone is afraid of these, you then you will say whether i am wrong or not, everyone is afraid because they will say about harry that she is poor.

she does not know how to speak without a prompter, without prompting, and therefore she can get confused from embarrassment and somehow, well, lose the election, and they say about trump that he can be something like a jerk, then you can take off your candidacy, because half of america or 2/3 will immediately reject him, because he is a harsh person and says nonsense quite often, that is, all the teams of both main candidates, that is, candidates in general, are afraid of the worst. some of each other, some of the other, and what do you say, who should be more afraid, maybe i would ask the question like this, please, mr. oleg, let's start from the end, i think, well, yes, judging by what we see and hear, both teams are nervous, i think the stakes are higher for garis because she is much worse known, here are the latest polls, er... on which

cited by the new york times, 28 percent of americans seem to want to know more about harris and only 9% more about trump, so harris now as a candidate, well, i would say, maybe it's not very elegant, it's kind of like a skeleton to build on muscles, meat, i.e., an image was created about her, but it is absolutely not a fact that she will be able to live up to expectations and it is not known, really, what kind of debater she will be, one thing, it is quite sharp to speak at hearings in the congress and thereby attract attention to himself, but presidential debate is a completely different genre. as for trump, they are really afraid that he can, as they say, go off the rails and again... focus not on

politics, on personal qualities, but here the rules that were finally approved work in trump's favor, that is, they will turn off the microphone in the case of the non-speaker, it was a demand of biden, recently garis, on the contrary, advocated to leave the microphones in ... national and in this plan she apparently hoped to provoke trump, but in the final version it will be like that, there will be this, they will turn off the microphone from the one who does not speak, that is, this debate is very important for trump and for harris, but i think that it is mainly important and most important for harris.

yes, well, that is, i understood that garis has room to grow, these are people who do not know about her, and she and her place, there is room for development, but this is also a danger. because god forbid those 28% won't like what she's saying and then you can say that's it, you're right, indeed, she has to convince the voters that it's worth supporting, and it's not the democratic base that 's enthusiastic about the harris candidacy, it's the undecided voters, the so -called independents, who don't have a ... not affiliated with the democrats, not with the republicans, here they would really like to hear more about garis' position on a whole range of key issues. and there is another tricky question, after the 10th, we will imagine that someone won, someone

lost, someone gained more popularity, someone decreased their popularity, something can change, or these debates, well, if such, well, maybe not a carp. finally, but for sure someone, and it will be very difficult to change anything in the future, whether the american election, the election, it is always nobody knows how it will end, and every moment something can change, or on the 10th we can say that we we can already roughly imagine what will happen on the first tuesday after the first monday, november of the leap year, no, of course, this is not the end, but we must er... take into account the fact that this is the shortest in terms of the time of the presidential campaign for history of the united states, historians say, and if you keep in mind the change of contender from

the democrats, there is not much time left until the election, all the indicators are very tight, that is why the election is ... quite close, and that is why the presidential debate will weigh even more than ee in general, and, but this is definitely not the end, and both candidates will make efforts to, let's say, either enhance the positives from the debate, or, let's say, minimize the negative points that also ... you may arise , that is, we will see, well, in fact, we will see in ukraine it's the 11th and we'll know how things are going, and this story that

hunter biden, the son of president biden, has pleaded not guilty to tax evasion, he's now like 17 years old, it surprised everyone because, well, because it's me ... it can somehow affect the situation, it can somehow affect kamela, it can somehow affect her, is it already such a turned page, and we will not think about the biden family anymore, of course, it affected the biden family more on the biden candidacy, but it will certainly affect the democrats and the candidacy of garis as vice president biden, and i think that this is what dictated the decision, as they say, rather unexpectedly, of hunter biden, to change his position to plead guilty, because if he had not pleaded guilty, the trial would have continued

for some time, all of which created grounds for criticism , a statement from the republican side, and so obviously the calculation. that the process will end, i do not think, of course, that it will be given the maximum, and in this way, the number of informational reasons that arise or may arise in connection with this will be reduced, will be minimized, which is what i think explains hunter biden's decision. look, mr. ambassador, russia today is trying to influence the voters of the united states, in favor of trump, various intelligence agencies, various journalists, who very often are intelligence officers themselves, talk about it, but how serious is it, how much influence is this

russian propaganda on the territory of the united states is of serious importance, how much it is worth watching, is it such a ... the specific work of the fbi, the american federal bureau of investigation, and they are there, let them have fun with russian scouts or lovers of russia, let's go to this, let's look there. it's not worth it, because it's something trivial, or it's not trivial, because we see that both sanctions and many, many different circumstances are such that would indicate that the americans are worried, it's not necessarily trivial, it's not worth it this intervention cannot be exaggerated, but it cannot be underestimated, that is, here i would say there are two segments, that is, one segment - these are attempts to really influence... american voters both in terms of presidential elections and in

terms of elections to the united states congress states, which, by the way, are also very important, and as we can see now, they are concerned about this in the united states, there are also statements by official bodies, there are numerous intelligences, well, not intelligences in terms of intelligence, but journalistic studies. th plan, and this topic does not come from, if you can say so, the column of american conspiracies, but now before the broadcast i was looking at, let's say, the cnn website, and there is such an analytical article about what extreme right, right-wing bloggers are spreading, how they write, maybe without realizing it themselves, well, i have certain ones sad, doubts about it, not understanding, but spreads. messages of russian propaganda, i.e. here is what is connected with the election, and

what is connected with the war, for us, as you understand, this is no less important than the election, one more question, maybe the last one, maybe before the last one, i'm sorry to interrupt you, in general, you were an ambassador, you watched, you are a diplomat, you work for a long time, and you see and know more than all of us, the closer to the election... are americans less interested in international issues, or vice versa more? still today there is a place for ukraine, and for china, and for taxes, and there is a place for this, and for rasha today, we will talk about it, we talked just now, and maybe already there in october they will already concentrate, taxes, gasoline prices , back and forth, already about china, ukraine, europe , no one wants to listen, how about... usually this happens, it is quite clear that these topics are not a priority, although i would like

to note that the issue of foreign policy in this election campaigns are present, it is also ukraine, and the middle east, and definitely china, but well, let's say, five issues that are most important for americans, it has not changed, in the first place are the economy, internal security, issues related to immigration and others, and foreign policy does not appear among them, not the main priority issues, so a priori, one can imagine that the closer to the elections there will be the most attention from the voters and from the candidates on those issues that are priority, and if polls, including in... will show that it is growing and continues, or rather,

there will be priority attention to the economy, to immigration, to homeland security, that's it questions and the rhetoric of speeches of candidates and members of their teams will be devoted. the last question, we literally have a minute, well, as far as i understand the economy is more or less in order, i would like unemployment and the discount rate. and in short, if you look at it from above, it seems that there is nothing so extremely bad, and the voters should be satisfied with the democrats, what do you say? in this regard, two points: well , first of all, recently there have been reports of economic statistics that are not entirely pleasant for the democrats and less growth in jobs, and there was a panic in... the stock market the market has some other messages, but in general , the american economy is really in a much

better shape than, say, the economy of european countries, but the second and main point is what is in the states, and by the way, what is in europe is this there is a very strong gap between, well, or simply a gap between the state of the economy and the perception of the state of the economy. from the side of the voter, i.e. for the voter, the most important thing is not even macroeconomic indicators, but inflation indicators, and not even so much general indicators, as much as v... those services, those products that he constantly consumes, and here the situation remains difficult, well , again, there is a gap between what is called perception and the real state of the economy, how is it, mr. oleg, i'm sorry, please, i can't do anything, i have to interrupt you, thank you for that, that i have already

finished, everything that was explained to us, thank you very much, shamshur, a diplomat, the ambassador of ukraine to the usa, the years of the ambassador of ukraine to france in the 14-20s , this is important, very, as always, meaningfully told us by mr. oleg, and it's nice now to home, to ukraine and to oleksiy kucherenko, people's deputy of ukraine, first deputy chairman of the committee on energy and housing and communal services of the verkhovna rada of ukraine. i hope he will appear now, and we will talk with him about various circumstances. good health, mr. oleksiy, thank you very much for... good day, good day, professional holiday, today is the day of oil and gas workers, we may not like them, but they extract oil and gas, and we, it is very important to us it is necessary, therefore, therefore let's hope. look, i have the first question for you, which, i would say, is scandalous, because well, as always,

any resignations are scandals, even when there is no scandal, journalists create it. i spoke with your colleague ivan plachkov, he expressed the following, well, surprise mildly, let's not say harshly, when there were still rumors about the dismissal of mr. kudrytskyi from ukrenergo, and he said, something is unclear, why they decided to drop him, no, he he doesn’t know, and you’re something, it’s just such a regular rotation, or something, he, he was to blame somewhere, whether the successor will be... better, should it have been done, well, in short, this resignation, how are you before please, mr. oleksiy, thank you, mykola, i want to say right away that this is a difficult question, it is such a difficult event, it is even the quintessence of the staff rotations that took place over the last week, and this is

one of the very key changes , because you understand, fan kudrytskyi. this is not just a top manager of the system company ukrenergo, but this top manager of the system company, who in his activities, to put it mildly, focused not on the government of ukraine, not on the executive branch, on such external support forces, i so diplomatically said, or i'll tell you something else, well, everything is very careful, but clear, it's important, careful, but clear. it is from this cohort of managers who are ideological opponents for me, not even ideological, perhaps mental, this is koboliv, vitrenko, and the same gerus, andriy from the same team, vaitsytska, there, kharchenko,

who is now scaring all ukrainians with frosts and so on, and kudrytskyi, although, according to my classification. first of all, i know very, well, such sensitive information about the real problems of this campaign, yes, you see, the national energy company ukrenergo is not all right there there was a ceremonial parade there, it's beautiful, as now they are trying to show it there very much. there were problems, mistakes, miscalculations, questions about spending money, and so on and so on, there are a lot of them, well, the story is old, and for now i will put a lot of points, a lot, like it, a lot of points, i will demonstrate questions, but what about me mr. kudrytsky

forgot that he has a governing body, and it is not a supervisory board, a supervisory board... it is an intermediate body, you understand, a body that, well, monitors, his governing body is the ministry of energy, we like it whether we like the minister or not, whether we like the government or not, i myself don’t like them very much, but this is an institution that today has to be responsible for the entire situation in the country, and they really have been in recent years, i don’t hide it, it was such a contradiction , confrontation about just like that. but was it based on reality? yes, it was based on real claims, unfortunately, the same claims can be made to the government and to the minister, it’s more a matter of... now to the president, yes, how long can you keep this government, that’s a separate conversation, but how be that as it may, the minister and the government are shareholders, you understand, and we

have experienced all of this in recent events, when in fact the information that mr. kudrytsky presented to the mountain did not correspond to reality, the information on strengthening the protection of energy facilities, information on the consequences, information... on repairs that were made with big mistakes, information on purchases, on scandalous purchases there and so on, you know, and here i would, to be honest, if, well, from my point of view, i might not change it now, but in this situation , the president assumed responsibility, as the head of the stake, because this issue was considered at the stake by the supreme commander-in-chief, and the government took over the merits of the matter. and they made such a decision, i take it as a given, but now i really don’t like that the cohort from the kudrytskyi camp,

i won’t call them otherwise, i won’t call them pseudo-experts, is starting to crush this hysteria, everything is gone, we will freeze in winter, 15 hours without svitva, 20, kharchenko, vaitsytska, dzerkal and so on, so i, mykola, taking this opportunity to know... that your rebellious nature and my fairly calm rebellious nature, i am making an ultimatum to these guys and girls on the air, either you stop these tantrums right now, or i will start sharing the information i have from monday, i am withholding it now, because it will not go to the benefit of this energy industry, you understand, the authority of the government, but i have enough information about... the responsibility of the company's management for a bunch of huge problems that it caused, i'm not even talking about the 40 million hryvnias, that's separate , hey, hey

whether it is 40 or 35, moral or not moral, this is a separate issue, you understand, i am not even talking about other details, i have serious complaints about this independent supervisory board, the so-called and the responsibility of the company's management, mr. oleksiy, i'm sorry, i forced you to cross and this idea and these suspicions, please explain, now and today it started as if they want to bury these wires through which energy flows and thus they will not hang, then they start saying that it is possible to generate power somehow to protect, i don’t understand a damn thing about it, but when i imagine digging a huge hole of hundreds of meters there... push it in, cover it all with concrete, reinforced concrete, well, i can’t imagine how it can be done in six months, even in a year, that’s all, and

there are tens, if not hundreds, of them, now they say, we need to hide the darts, i don’t know either, you can, you can’t, that’s in principle, why then are they on the mountain in all countries, but here, well in moscow, they say they buried it, i don’t know what you will say, in moscow you have stupid money... you understand how much money there was at one time from oil, from gas, from taxes, of all things, they buried in moscow, because there, because there are millions of dollars standing there, you see, it is clear that it is better to bury, and not there, to build something crazy and sell it for 10 thousand per meter, it has its own economy, see , i believed and believe even more that the adventure with the construction of fortifications of the third level of protection, this is the third level, this is it. what do you say, these are these huge concrete sarcophagi, the size of two football fields , some recesses, concreted sarcophagi, where

they tried, as if they were trying to hide these substations, the cost of each of those objects is from 15 to 20 billion uah, it is for a moment up to 500 million dollars, they started to build seven of them from... none of them have been finished and will not be finished, up to 20 billion uah are frozen there, and they they will never finish this construction, for that the person who made the decision in this matter should be shot, it is not only kudrytsky, i want to say right away, although he could have resisted, there is his own company, hire, kubrakov and other managers who go away, this is crazy abuse, i'm sorry, mr. oleksiy, but we're not the first time with you, with mr. plachkov, and with other people, and many experts said that it is absurd to build it, it is impossible to build,

it is expensive, it takes a long time and it is not necessary, because it will fly anyway, if the russians want to bomb, they will bomb, now look, mykola, you probably all know by now that there are three levels of protection, this idiotic, well, sarcophagus, this, you heard me, the adventure is complete, there is a second level, these are small concrete structures above the transformers, directly it is more or less done, though wrongly done, they are not defenses' styles, unfortunately, from these ball-type, cluster-type ammunition, when the metal balls flew apart, and this was the main damage, and they damaged the transformers and other automatics as much as possible, and it took two weeks, after which the country was covered in sausages, as it is not surprising , these balls could protect the first simple level as much as possible, these are

mice. with sand, even if they bought it at five times the price, because there were such examples, but in the bags, the main thing is that they were correctly placed and metal nets, which if these sandbags had held them, they would have protected them from the debris and from these kulyaks, and , unfortunately, they did not protect them in the same way, because they were very rudely placed, i saw it myself, when we were at the kharkiv substation on others, we saw, well, in fact, they just wrote off the money there and did it in an absolutely sloppy way, and i... i understand that when the manager of the stake was told these nuances, details, how many transformers burned on the same place, i will not tell you where and how many, but i know, it's terrible, really, and it's stupid full, like them in a mindless eye ten transformers burned down, mr. oleksiy, a year ago, i think, well, maybe a little less than a year, on the eve of the winter conditions of winter, you and i talked about it, you explained it, and

mr. ivan plachkov explained it, this is the simplest story, these bags put and we, we will definitely not protect ourselves 100%, but it can definitely fall from above, yes, but still, and it is absolutely not clear how these are such elementary things, so coming back once again, there are mistakes, well, not only kudrytskyi , you understand, he is not an energy engineer, he is a lawyer, well, the manager. modern, you understand, there are certificates, there, i’m not saying, he did something positive there, but believe me, the company is not based on him, there is a professional staff of professional energy workers, who are really energy workers, by the way, brecht, who is currently acting yazki, this is a full-time, full-time professional energy engineer, so i want to assure you that there is absolutely no tragedy, no catastrophe, including from

an external vector, here i am - but i am very tired of this hysteria, because we have a committee split in half, there are all kinds supporters of this grantaid cohort, they are starting to get hysterical in the same way in the committee, you see, that’s not how it’s done, not like that, i don’t want an unnecessary psychological burden on the population now, everything disappeared with screams, 20 hours without light, and people already, you see , mandraj, my mother is 89 years old, a week ago she was sobbing and saying: how am i going to spend the winter, well, i almost calmed down and raised my voice, you understand, but they are striving for the same thing, but mr. oleksiy, i have the last or penultimate thing for you question, please turn on caution, please turn on caution, i will carefully ask, and you carefully answer, if these managers, i will not name their names, turn to some not very good experts, this is because then

you can direct the financial flows in a different way, well , otherwise i cannot understand, if i am a nifiga i don’t understand, i don’t understand anything, they tell me what to do with energy, i go to kucherenko, i go to x, y, z and ask, because i’m not an expert, i’m a lawyer, i don’t know, well like this boss, and they tell me, i need to put the bags like this, do it here, do it here, how much does it cost 3 billion, okay, i go to the cabinet, i say, give me 3 billion, they give me 3 billion, i do it, and it's fast, and it's more than halfway reliable, and so on, if it's not done, then it's profitable for someone , personally, no, you know, the fact is that the money for all these construction works is written off and...