operations on the territory of the russian federation, and in this dimension, of course, that such operations are to a certain extent, the method of conducting them, the method of training personnel for conducting them, of course, it arouses a certain interest among representatives of the intelligence community of western countries, so i think that it well , the intelligence agencies, like the armed forces in principle, have grown, but this... means that we are now there, well, that's all, well, the budgets cannot be compared, yes, the intelligence community, the community of america will receive 83, 86, more than 80 billion dollars per year, so of course it is impossible for us to compare with such finances, the same goes for mosat, the same for other bodies, so of course, what can we compare, well, from the limited resources that we have, well, we have to give credit there. .. such operations that

are being carried out are a great achievement, the last, the last question, mr. vadim, literally one and a half minutes, sorry for such brevity, but the role of intelligence since february 24 , 2022 in general as such, it has changed, something in the world has changed in attitude, in the attitude of people towards development, development towards the world and so on, something has changed, well, first of all, developments should now... act more openly, that is, we see more publicity in intelligence activities, this does not mean, well, at least from the moment when everyone started saying that russia was going to attack, you remember you are gathering this mass of public information, it means that the information sphere began to be used by intelligence agencies in a different way, this is the first, the second thing that has changed is such opportunities to increase technical means for intercepting information, you have a smartphone. i have a smartphone, we are talking about

communication, that is, every person is actually connected there by technical means, and these opportunities are now being accelerated, well, receiving information at the expense of artificial intelligence, this includes information processing mechanisms, analytics, systematization and the like, and this is in two parallel processes, publicity on the one hand, artificial intelligence and technical means on the other , are usually reflected in intelligence activities. bodies and, of course, political influence in western countries is limited to democratic governments, and the third thing i want to say is diplomacy, intelligence diplomacy as performed by burns and moore, a little unusual for activities of intelligence agencies, although in principle this has happened in history, no, well, moore was actually just an ambassador to turkey, he knows the turkish language like his native language, and this surprised everyone, and then he officially. thank you very much,

vadym chernysh, head of the center for security studies, sens, minister of ukraine for temporary replenishment of territories of internally displaced persons from 16 to 19, and now we will have a doctor of sociological sciences, head of the institute of conflict studies and analysis of russia, mr. oleksandr shulga, i hope he is now will appear, as soon as it appears, will immediately receive a question. good health, mr. oleksandr. just got ready for the question, we always follow the so-called good russians, and they don't let us relax in a good russian, one of the good russians is navalny's wife, yulia navalna, performed somewhere in europe in slovenia, i think that means various good russians and even good... europeans have gathered, and i just

have another question for you then, i don't want to get into what she said, let's imagine i don't know what will happen, would there be russia, will there be russia, i don't know, if some strange events happened, and there were some elections, and navalny would win the elections, if he remained alive, or his wife, or some good russian , it's just that i'm very curious that... whatever it was, whatever it looked like, you once set yourself a goal just even half-jokingly, well, think about it, if you could imagine, well, yulia navalna wins, becomes the president of the russian federation, russia at least somehow will change in a way, for example, for the surrounding world, maybe it is there inside the released, political prisoners, but here in kyiv i absolutely do not care if it releases these political prisoners or not , if... bombs are flying, then i

don't care about russian prisoners, but what do you think russia will look like, that it will mean something to its neighbors something else, something different? please, mr. oleksandr, this is really a systematic problem of the russian opposition, their attempts to play political games and try to please the electorate, for whom they are rather, well, foreign political entities, but nevertheless they try to please them, and trying to please these broad layers, so to speak. it leads to the fact that the russians, these representatives of the russian liberal democratic opposition, they say what yulia navalna said, in fact, what she said is a concentrated look, it is better, she could not say, because to

illustrate this systematic error, the most important thing that they are not ready to accept is actually... the fundamental need and the looming need for the realignment of the russian state itself, well, they they are very carefully talking about the creation of a real russian federation, not that now, that now there is no federation, but we will create a real federalization, where small nations, all subjects of the federation will have equal rights and moscow. will not be such a super-centralized structure and, accordingly , the russian federation, however, in any questions are logical, but what if these subjects of the federation want to separate from russia or form some kind of confederation, well

, that is, really depriving this titular nation of the russians, yes, this of this dominant situation, this is where it begins... a common background, a common history, common values ​​and so on and so forth appear, and that's really where it all ends, and that's why , answering your question, they are constantly trying to replace the fundamental processes that have matured replacement of personnel, i.e. institutional processing, in fact, which, for example, the body may not survive when it tries boiling. is trying to replace it with the fact that i will come, here i am horvarts, are they good, they are not bad, and i will have a word, well, it is very easy for you and me to simulate the situation, well by some miracle, let's assume that

putin died there, shot himself there, as if by god's will, an absolute power vacuum, navalna arrives on a blue rotorcraft, let's be quiet. khodorkovsky, they somehow agreed there, she, the president, khodorkovsky, the prime minister, aleksanshenko, there is the minister of economy, or some other from the economic bloc of the opposition, i think that it will last no more than a year or two, after which a new one appears putin, there is a reaction, and again we collected money again, somewhere in 10-15 years, well, in fact, we are the same already seen in the 90s, the beginning of the 2000s, mr. alexander, i have a question about... again, you know, we are swimming with our eyes closed, unfortunately, because in order to understand russia, as the russians themselves say, we do not have russia concepts, but when i imagine equality, you mentioned this option that we, we will make a federation, and maybe even some separate elements of the confederation, everyone will be equal, and

you imagine a picture when the yakuts are sitting at the table, at the table chechens are sitting, tatars are sitting at the table, and muscovites are sitting opposite, yes, muscovites, even, i would said, and they talk to each other as equals, but it doesn’t occur to me, as one russian director said, by the way, i don’t believe it, i just have a hard time imagining respect for national minorities, since there has always been contempt for them in russia, and in the soviet union, i remember it very well, how it was. and this, so, here they sit, yes, yes, yes, okay, you want a federation, you want to speak your language, you can reduce the russian language in your schools, leave three lessons a week, and 12 lessons will be in you are tatar language and tatar culture, and

there was only one lesson in russian, but it was difficult for me, but then, as you said, they have something in common, they all have something in common. such a great joint russian and ukrainian culture is difficult for me. believe it, what do you say? well, that's exactly what i was talking about, referring to the thorough restructuring of the statehood, their system, the basement of this statehood, this great such treaty within and institutional changes, well, i would say even radical, diametrical changes , actually ideological. of the state, that is, this and school, these are universities, this is the press, this

is the discourse, in general, on this, well, it is not that decades, it is probably in this, in this case, it is several generations, so really, when russian oppositionists say, that the question is that we will come and the main thing is that a person, because these journeys are short, that is of course. we understand that this is only a ghost, a deceiver, consciously unconscious, you and i have paid such a price and are paying for, well , such, you know, disdainful attitude towards or such, well, dreamy attitude towards what navalna says, that is why we allow ourselves we can't do that, so we understand that it is several generations ahead, provided that this is the will to indulge in the podwalders, right now, and we don't see it, so we are talking about a marathon in this war. yes, i

'll just give one example for you, for the audience, first of all, many years ago, already after the start of the war, after the 14th year, somewhere in the 16th, 18th, i don't remember, somewhere in europe i got to a meeting of russian oppositionists, these are european diplomats, european deputies created such and such conversation, and i karamurzi, possess. just as i was talking, you understand that i am going to have to strain somehow and apologize, and then he looks at me and says: to whom? i say, well, before, i didn’t even say about ukraine, before japan during the second world war, before finland during the second world war, and there are, there are, there are many around the circle, walk like that, there are before, he answered me, before whom i have to apologize when i was poisoned twice, and my friend borya nemtsov was killed. but i thought, if you want to be the leader of the country, you have to, and here i am

it seems that the most important issue is that they will not understand that institutionally they cannot change in any way, but i return to your last answer, that is, it is a generational issue, yes, it is an issue of a new generation, that is, there is not yet in the russian federation from... it beyond the borders, at least someone who will say that we should go on this road, so that in 20 years this road will begin to lead to civilization, at least to lead this country called the russian federation away from barbarism, because, well, i am now, or i hear, for example, nevzlina, but he always says, i'm generally jewish, i live in israel, i don't want to know anything about russia, i can say something like that, say that they need to... change, but this is not my country, or i see the same khodorkovsky, who

is worried that somewhere you national minorities come out and demand some rights for themselves, and i sit and think, then, then what is the future in russia, if everyone is under control again, that is, this is a disaster, this is it, now we are, can you see people who are already conscious, these people are quite... few, they are really few, even among them of the russian liberal opposition, especially since yulia navalna is trying to appropriate such, you know, the franchise of the russian opposition to herself, that is, we are the most affected, and you all have to join us as junior partners, i see an increase in the institutional capabilities of these people and the bases that would be more connected to them through such a scheme, to the cinema. tical consequences of the war, i.e. , more russians are beginning to feel them, how are they beginning

to feel it, well, we have already shown how the kuznets operations, but ukraine is still less in of russia, that is why zelensky is so important about long-range weapons, shaking him out of his partners, so that even in the keminsk region, which is very far away, they also regularly receive their own reminders about this war, after that, only... after that, it goes into a stimulating the effects of the desacralization of putin's power, only after that, by the way, we already begin to see small tricks of this, but this is a separate big conversation, and only... a political process, but this is only a chance, not a guarantee that these conscious people will start more come to power, this is only a chance, and it is again hands and hands. thank you very much, oleksandr shulga, doctor of sociological sciences, head of the institute of conflict studies and analysis of russia, analyzed

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you all is well, everything is a program , at least part of my pro... the one i lead ended, for good, green, makes history, on august 20, just before the day of independence, the parliament banned activities of the russian orthodox church and its branches in ukraine. after obtaining the tomos on autocephaly and the creation of a local church , this is the most important act for the protection of our national security in the field of activity of religious organizations. i am proud that i was involved in these two historical events, which will finally cut off the tentacles of the russian world in

ukraine. so we still have many challenges ahead of us. the law should work, and not turn into a piece of cake. right, as it often happens in our country, and we will make sure that the authorities has done its job, but the hardest road has been taken, as it were, let's recall this dramatic story with almost detective plots, but first subscribe to my channel and together we will continue the struggle for spiritual independence. the story of the priest of the moscow patriarchate viktor talk from borodyanka is a textbook for the entire branch of the russian orthodox church. after the occupation of the town, he turned the temple into a russian prison. a shot was fired at us. cars under the fence of the church, supported them with military equipment, and at that moment father victor came out of the church with some man, well i i understand that these are the special services, and he told us that we are detained, a special inspection will be carried out on us, it will take about a day or two, at this moment the father said, place the people, i will tell you this, if the 16th year of viyska came

here with us meet, his victims survived and... after the release, the bearded women testified about the crimes of this priest. the sbu initiated criminal proceedings. in total, the special service exposed 72 priests. 22 of them have already received court sentences. some went to the russian federation on exchange. they were propagandists, adjusters, spies, saboteurs. the active work of the security service was the result of public pressure on the authorities, because during the invasion, ukrainians were shocked by the mass facts of working for the enemy, collaborators in cassocks. however , it was clear that point methods would only have a temporary effect, would reduce public irritation, but it was not a matter of specific persons, but of the whole institution, which for moscow became its second army inside ukraine. the problem needed a holistic solution, because of the 800 parishes of the moscow patriarchate, only 10% severed ties with the russian orthodox church. all others are still in

the status of official representatives of russia in ukraine. even after patriarch kirill and... the council called by him declared the war against ukraine sacred. only a law could be a legal solution to this threat to national security. and in the fall of the 22nd year, i wrote it and submitted it to the verkhovna rada for consideration. law project 8221 was supported by deputies from all pro-ukrainian factions of the parliament, from the homeland, european solidarity, servant of the people and voice. a number of regional councils voted for its adoption. on a coalition of public organizations was created to support the document, it was written taking into account the judicial practices of the european union. we did not intend to tell whom and how to pray. we aimed to break ties with... the aggressor state. the petition on the need to pass bill 8221 received the necessary 25,000 votes. the profile committee of the parliament also

supported him. however, the cabinet of ministers was already preparing its draft law. it eventually received the registration number 8371. and although i had a number of reservations about it, including i voted for the cumbersome and ineffective scheme of banning the activities of the russian orthodox church, which could drag on for decades. anyway for this project in the first reading. political ambitions in such an important matter are inappropriate. i understood that the government bill had a better chance of being voted on and decided to participate in its improvement as much as possible. meanwhile, the ukrainians were boiling again. the priests of the russian orthodox church, after a short list in the 22nd year , took up the old again a year later. why are you beating a military man, man? in the spring of 2023. year the inaction of the authorities in the matter of the legal ban of the russian orthodox church caused a radical reaction from society. after the beating of a serviceman of the ukrainian armed forces by clerics of the moscow patriarchate in

the holy intercession cathedral in khmelnytskyi, ukrainians decided to do the government's work on their own. in a number of regional centers, the churches of the russian orthodox church, under the pressure of the community , transferred to the local church, and the city councils of lviv, khmelnytskyi, lutsk, and ivano-frankivsk broke contracts with the moscow church. communal property and land. this is a separate big problem that should resolve the newly adopted law. i talked about it in detail in my documentary film "church without christ". we are going to lviv. agency ngl media has done a fantastic research. they created a map on which they put all the lands that are owned or used by russian law. of the glorious church cleaned this list as much as possible from those who are not in the pcmp, only those who are mentioned in their name in one way or another remained, right? and if there is, for example, i know

such cases when there is a russian church, and the land is simple and the building itself is decorated simply on natural persons. here is an example of an infographic: in cherkasy, yes, 96% of communal property is in sumy, or in transcarpathia, we can see that. but in fact, in chernivtsi oblast , i also see most of the communal ones, in chernivtsi oblast, for example, in odesa oblast we see 258 hectares, 97% of which is communal property, yes, 97% is communal property, the same is kharkiv oblast, well, in the end we see there even the lviv region, and here it is only 1 ha, but we can see that it is the smallest amount in ukraine, but even from that... just now you watched an excerpt from the documentary film church without christ, here is the link below, you can watch it in its entirety and you will not

regret it, because in this film we talked about all the crimes, lies, the history of the activity of the russian church in ukraine, and it was part of a huge company , it was important for us to convince ukrainian politicians to listen to ukrainian society and finally ban the russian orthodox church. in ukraine, in particular its activities, and it was not one film, we made another film about how the russian church fought with what happened with the adoption of the draft law in the second reading and in general, so that it became a law, which only they did not do, but we still won. so, as of now, we have a powerful octopus, in the center of which is vadym novinsky, the moscow patriarchate, onufry, next to him is the high-class international lawyer robert amsterdam and the star of trump propaganda takar carlson, as well as in ... the influential lobbyist william burkwhite, they spread disinformation and trying to influence us senators and congressmen, and also to people's deputies of ukraine. the ultimate goal is to preserve the structures of the russian orthodox church in ukraine.

why did the moscow patriarchate obey and hire an entire lobby network in the usa. because we, people's deputies, did everything very correctly. in the committee on humanitarian information policy, representatives of various factions put aside their political differences and together focused on... creating a high-quality document based on the government draft law 8371, i would especially like to note the constructive work of the committee chairman nikita poturaeva. from him, as from a lot depended on the representative of the pro-presidential majority. his sharp statements in defense of the parliamentary version of the government document were obviously not liked by everyone at the bank. but i have already said that banning the activities of the russian orthodox church in ukraine is not a reason for political jealousy, but an existential issue. so, when the moscow patriarchate saw that the deputies were already at the finish line, they decided to scare them, that is, us. colleagues who are in favor of recommending that the verkhovna rada consider bill number 8371, please vote.

kuturaev for. abzulin for. thank you colleagues the decision was taken unanimously. i congratulate you on the passage of this very important legislation in committee. robert amsterdam wrote as many as two letters to parliamentarians, where he threatened american sanctions if the law was passed. my name was also mentioned there, as one of the largest. supporters of banning the activities of the russian orthodox church in ukraine. at the same time , pro-russian deputies in the parliament became more active. they blackmailed their colleagues, threatened them. if the moscow patriarchate in ukraine has nothing to do with cyril and the kremlin, as they claim, then why resisted so aggressively. the question is obviously rhetorical. someone was really scared by such threats. it is known that americans have always been sensitive to religious freedom. and that is why our draft law, first mine, and then a consensus,

parliamentary one. were not about faith, but about the constitutional system and, in particular, national security. protecting them is the unconditional right of any nation and the basic duty of any government. the verkhovna rada could adopt this document in the spring, but incomprehensible political intrigues began again. sponsors and lobbyists of the moscow patriarchate did not give up. they even involved state structures. the position of the state committee on ethnopolitics and freedom of conscience, which was frankly... obstructing the draft law, was at first surprising, then infuriating. the profile committee of the verkhovna rada even adopted a special statement condemning the discrediting of its work. issues of protection of religious rights and freedoms of ukrainian citizens are considered through the lens of national security, which allows for a clear separation and protection of religious freedom and security ukrainians from the activities of religious organizations associated with the aggressor. it is for

this purpose that the preamble of the draft law contains reference to article nine and article 11 of the european convention on human rights and the decision of the national security and defense council, which initiated the development of the draft law. therefore, the draft law does not in any way interfere in the sphere of a person's religion, but only regulates the activities of organizations operating in the religious sphere. the committee is extremely surprised by the baseless pseudo-critical comments that have been heard recently of the text of draft law 83-71 on the part of various commentators, these statements give the impression that these experts, firstly, did not read the text of the draft law until the second reading, and secondly, they are trying to evaluate it from a religious standpoint, although, as we have proven, the specified draft law does not apply to religion at all. even more, the committee is surprised by the same unfounded pseudo-criticism on the part of des, all of whose legislative proposals, without exception, are preserved from the text of the first reading, and a huge number of important amendments of her authorship are taken into account in the second.

it was summer, traditionally a calm political season, but the parliament was raging. after refusing to put the draft law to the vote, the deputies blocked the rostrum of the verkhovna rada. it is significant that this was done not only by the opposition, but also by representatives of the pro-government faction of the servant of the people. the press learned that almost one and a half hundred servants gave an ultimatum to their management, either to pass the law or to split the faction. the speaker closed the meeting until august. but it became obvious that... there was nowhere to run. ukrainians demanded without appeal that the activity be banned russian orthodox church according to the latest data of sociologists , about 80% of them are. and politicians could not fail to respond to such a request. president zelensky could no longer waste time. in the end, he was forced to instruct his deputies to support the consensus document. you can see the result on the scoreboard. it's a story, a story. overcoming

incredible resistance, took a historic step. the spiritual occupation of ukraine is coming to an end. the last organized kremlin structure in our country will cease to exist. at the same time, we managed to preserve the right of ukrainians to freedom of conscience. no one tells them which one pray to god, but no one will allow putin to be that god. subscribe to my channel. it is very important for me. it is very important for us to change the country together, to make the country better together. without your support it will be extremely difficult or even impossible, but together we will really build a strong, free and european ukraine, and you will simply be interested. thank you, see you soon! congratulations, friends, the politclub program is on the air on the spresso tv channel, with you is vitaly portnikov. today, our conversation will be devoted to those new trends,