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events, events that are happening right now and affect our lives. of course, news the tape informs about them. however, it was not enough to know what was happening. it is necessary to understand. antin borkovskii and invited experts soberly assess the events, analyze them, modeling our future. every saturday at 13:10 with a repeat at 22:00. studio zahid with anton borkovsky at espresso. we'll come back and talk about this huge reboot or not, whether it's personnel rotation or not, we'll talk further. the 12th session of the verkhovna rada began with a wave of dismissals and appointments of ministers at once, nine government departments immediately got new heads, who, to whom and why in the material of ours. colleagues of kateryna

galko. rumors about reshuffles in the cabinet of ministers have been circulating since the beginning of the summer. they were talked about for weeks and every time they were asked in ofrek. the reason for this was either the inefficiency of government officials, or their participation in corruption scandals, and even basic instability in the cabinet of ministers. as of the beginning of the week, five departments did not have permanent heads. decision. the reboot was sometimes announced, then postponed, and so on in a circle, but september brought a wind of change to the verkhovna rada, almost unexpectedly, six ministers and one high-ranking official submitted their resignations at once. on the first attempt , oleksandr kamyshchyn, olga stefanishyna, ruslan strilets and denys malyuska were released. rostislav shurma was also attacked by ope. irina's release. vitaliy koval and dmytro

kuleba failed to pass the first time, but succeeded the second time. this was preceded by an evening meeting of the servant of the people faction, which was attended by the president himself for the second time since the beginning of the full-scale war, and if the coalition contributed to the reboot, the opposition did not i did not catch the logic of the rotations or the lack of explanations. i invite everyone to support this, say, flash mob, to teach ministers to respect the parliament that appoints them. we can't get up and leave. we work because we are part of this country, we have it as parla. kamyshin, malyuska, koval and bereshchuk did appear in the parliament hall with their final speeches. everyone was met with a standing ovation and still for some reason they were released. i solemnly swear

allegiance to the ukrainian people, i undertake to abide by the constitution of ukraine and the laws of ukraine, to strengthen sovereignty and independence of ukraine, to defend human rights and freedoms. and citizens, to take care of the well-being of the ukrainian people, the sustainable democratic development of society. yes, in just one session day, nine government departments got new heads. andriy sebiga became the minister of foreign affairs, previously he was the first deputy of dmytro kuleba. olga stepanishyna, now vice prime minister for european and euro-atlantic integration, minister of justice, her resignation. was formal to combine the two portfolios. oleksiy kuleba took office deputy prime minister for reconstruction, minister of development of communities and territories. oleksiy himself came to the cabinet from op. matviy bidny secured his position and is now not temporarily, but

permanently, the head of the ministry of youth and sports. the new minister of environmental protection and natural resources, formerly the deputy minister of energy, svitlana grynchuk. the ministry of culture and strategic communications now has a permanent head. mykola tochytskyi, a diplomat and yermak's deputy, assumed the position. natalia kalmykova, formerly umierov's deputy, now minister of veterans affairs. vitaly kovel, who headed the state property fund on the morning of the appointment, was appointed to the position of minister of agrarian policy and food. herman smetanin became the minister of strategic industries. he is a newcomer to industry, at the age of 31 he headed ukroboronprom. at the servants of the people faction , the president also talked about creating a new ministry for the return of ukrainians, but it is not there yet, as the issue with the head is open. it is very important that government

institutions are now working at their maximum capacity active, even more active than it was before. at all levels. thus, in just two days , the cabinet of ministers was updated by almost... by half, but the head of the government surprisingly turned out to be the strongest player, because it was his dismissal that was discussed most actively and even placed bets on his successors, and denys shmyhal in the whirlwind of rotation stood up and continues to be the record holder by length of tenure among all heads of government of independent ukraine. it is definitely too early to judge the effectiveness of the new composition of his team, but... but the president, as well as the entire nation, has to the renewed cabinet of ministers has a lot of requirements and results, at least the head of state expects already in the fall. the sudden resignation of a minister is not the first during volodymyr zelenskyi's tenure, but it is

certainly the biggest reshuffle of the government since the beginning of russia's full-scale invasion of ukraine, and the tradition remains unchanged. officials leave without a procedure for reporting ministers and appearances. the reasons for dismissal, but those who have not yet been caught up in scandals and still continue to work for the good of the country. oleksiy koshal, doctor, watched this material with us of historical sciences and head of the committee of voters of ukraine. mr. oleksiy, glory to ukraine. glory. mr. oleksiy, let's remember mathematics. mathematics said that permuting terms will not change the sum. we will change the applications. swapped places, and what will we have from it, whether there will be any changes? obviously , there will be, because any new team, that is , any new manager, he tries to show results at least in the first months. so i think we're going to see an increase in activity, shall we say. and will there be

fundamental changes? no, it won't be in any case, because actually we see that the rotation of the cabinet of ministers happened quite spontaneously, that is, we did not even... hear the reason why certain members of the government were replaced, that is , the general version sounded something like this: to intensify work, here is new blood, more active work , well, excuse me, this is from... you know, such, the terminology of women's novels of the 19th century, here we are talking about public administration, we are talking about key problems in the work of the cabinet of ministers, and claims to the government that were put forward in the period before the large-scale invasion and at least for the last 2.5 years, they were about fundamental things, they were about the government failing to legislate with the parliament, generally the work with the parliament was a failure. and the failure in the adoption of government bills, and the ministers and the head of the government ignored

the meetings of the parliament and the meetings of the relevant committees. well, you know, i like the example the most, a few weeks ago one of the parliamentary committees decides that draft laws from a particular ministry are no longer considered by the committee will be until the minister himself appears at the committee meeting, that is, this format of contempt for the parliament. in general, he had already exceeded all healthy limits, this work was a failure, crises were not responded to in a timely manner, that is , i will recall the fuel crisis, which was promised to be resolved in two weeks, well, obviously it was not resolved in two weeks, well, these public promises were for nothing, failure with our polish partners, despite the fact that experts planned crisis moments about six months before their appearance, well, there are a lot of them, the list is extremely long, but we stopped at the level of individual rotations, there we change a boy to a girl, there a good one to a bad one, i don’t

know, well, it’s not even mathematics, you know, these are games that do not lend themselves to understanding, well, here for the sake of justice it must be said that with all powerful teams, that is, personnel rotations, they also took place based on the question of one's own likes or dislikes, how harmoniously a person plays in a team or not , comfortably or uncomfortably. to work, it always played a role, but here, as i, for example, do not see the logic in rotation cabinet of ministers, for example, i see the logic of changing the head of the government to a more experienced crisis manager, yes, to give the opportunity to the new head of the government to independently form, well, let's not be an idealist, at least a part of the government team, at least a part, we will change the principles of working with the parliament , at least... well, i don't see any of this, that is, i

see, look, you are this whole story that we will send some of the ministers to the bank, let them serve in the office, and some will be reassigned, showed that the idea of ​​rebooting the government on the government of professionals, technocrats or the government of national unity, whatever we want to call it, we understand what we are talking about, that we finally put an oak cross on it, at least. you are at this stage, and you look at it and analyzed it for us from the point of view of the cabinet, let's from the point of view of the office, because in principle we want it or not, the constitution says one thing, and the realities show another, so the decision-making center, as our say enemies, the president's office, it was strengthened by a person, well, not one, but many, but i will pay attention, because simply the movement honestly gives us the opportunity to track, as they say, verified information. a person who once went from rav ruska to form a foundation, a center

of baltic-black sea understanding, which very actively promoted strange pro-russian narratives with medvedchuk's money, the heroine of the broadcasts of the channel nash murayeva on the 112th, rukh often writes, it is about mrs. vereshchuk, and that , how she became a deputy with an assistant from the party of regions, in a word, the background is very, very written on every issue, for which reason they strengthened the head of irmakadzhi's office with such personnel and put her as a deputy, what is being formed there in the center decision-making in the president's office, why they put a deputy, i have my own logical explanation, i don't know what the president's office was guided by, but despite everything you say, the heroes of medvedchuk's channels and many others. and lack, lack of serious management experience, all this is characteristic of

iryna veryshchuk. however, during her tenure as vice prime minister, one of the issues she dealt with was the removal of children from the frontline territories and combat zones. and in fact, in this matter she showed that she knows how to break through individual, well this issue should have been resolved at the level of changes to the legislation, and by the way, until now it has not been resolved, no changes to the legislation have been adopted, iryna veryschuk, in fact, like a battering ram, rammed this issue through the cabinet of ministers, which is not completely legitimate this is a decision, she herself publicly... i say that legislative regulation is needed, but this is a topic that she actively engaged in and showed results. i think that the president's office also thought for, necessarily thought for the media component, if iryna veryshchuk is associated with this topic, then we will offer the position, and at least it will be active now on the bank, well, at least this is the only logic i

see, the only logic is logic, mr. oleksiy, make sure that there is no talk of an effective manager. ram, he is still associated with the statement that maidan residents killed themselves. so that we do not talk about one component of the vice-prime minister on the issues of the temporarily occupied territory, she will be completely associated with another, someone will re-read her interview on the banned site strana.ua, someone will look at the strange conflicts on the 112th or to the muraiv tv channel video on youtube can still be found. this is about associations, that is, the coefficient. useful effect must be greater than what a person associates with some successful cases, that is, you saw some logic in the office, because there was not one, mrs. , is that the head of state obviously simply overestimates the role of his team, he thinks that this is

a fantastic team of cosmic scale, and other managers in the country cannot be found, well, who else can be found. appoint to the government positions, except for the former deputies, there, maybe later, the former advisers and all the others, that is, for me, as for me, if we talk about the ideal government team now in the conditions of war, besides the principles that i talked about, we should look experienced managers, experienced managers, there is an environment, let's say, directors of factories, public, private, it doesn't matter, people who have serious management experience, people who solved crises. cox was brought there from brazil, when there were wars there with the akhmetiv structures, people who know how to manage, to make quick decisions, it could be a line of substitutes from former effective government officials, and by the way, effective prime ministers, we have several effective prime ministers, i am convinced that groisman and yatsenyuk, they could

strengthen enough powerful team at all levels, it could be experienced management there. environment of people's deputies of different factions, i don't want to call the phrase government of national unity, i just understand that it is unrealistic, but a government of experienced managers who know how to solve crises phenomena in manual mode, in fast mode, but today, today, such a team can be appointed today, but i have it, you say, what was the logic of the bank, the logic of the bank, that the best team... managers of all times and peoples, this today the office of the president, this is today the office of the president, but now, if we talk about a strong government, we need to look for other approaches, we need to hire managers from private business, who in recent years have been building business in europe and much more, that is, assemble, assemble a team of successful managers is quite real, mr.

oleksiy, about slightly different issues, but related to. ukraine. first, we heard scholz say that now is the time to discuss ending the war in ukraine. it's not the first time these words have been heard, but scholz doesn't say it that often. and now an article appears in the columns of la republique that scholz is preparing a peace plan for ukraine, similar to the minsk agreements, but unlike them, he does not rule out the transfer of part of the ukrainian territories to russia. the article talks about the fact that... this is an option like ours should react now? we thought scholz was a partner? well, by the way, now not only statements about the so-called scholz plan have appeared, but in general the topic of possible negotiations has intensified, that is, it does not mean that we will receive a result in a month or two. i think

that until the end of the elections in the united states, and before the inauguration of the president, it is unlikely that we will receive certain amounts. in this process, but the process itself continues, here are all the conversations, the appearance of peace plans, discussions, visits, this means that the process of preparing for a certain truce, it continues, and here, pay attention, how all became more active, but the month of july was a huge number of statements by europeans on the part of the united states, on the part of certain countries of the global south, china, later, after kursk, this topic subsided, and the russians on... made a statement, it was at the level of putin, who said , what kind of negotiations are currently being discussed, but now we see activity on the part of russia, that is, putin is already speaking directly about the fact that... you are ready to speak at the level of the istanbul agreements, again, i will elaborate on this topic, lavrov, a few weeks ago he said: "if the west wants to sit down for

the negotiating table, we are ready right now." that is, this activity has now again started a new wave of activity. the process itself is important for us, because so far all the peace plans that were sounded, there were no specifics in them at all. and again, what does this leak of information from sholtz mean, which means that we will not return the territory, we will not return crimea, we will not return donetsk-luhansk, will we have a new 38 parallel, what does the word putin mean according to the istanbul agreements, we we don't know any details, we just know you know, these emotional shouts of arakhamy yaristovich, that these were very beneficial agreements for us, dear, what is the invention, explain, mr. oleksiy, look, we only mentioned sholtz, at the same time, we did not... orban said that about , you will see the next peaceful steps, there have been a lot of such statements, our president also said that

the russians will definitely be there at this second peace summit, and during that time , russia began to voice again with one initialed signature for unverified information , we were told on the air that chaly signed it, then he drafted a plan, which in principle was a plan... in this case, we know how clear the ukrainian position was that any negotiations now and a ceasefire are in favor of the aggressor to regroup again, well, in a word, everyone was against , and the military-political leadership repeated it, today the secretary of the national security council, the sentiments of ukrainians. also, very clear sociology shows that ukrainians do not want to trade and surrender territories, and if all this happens, then what should happen next? i mean

, there will be some kind of surrender of the territory like istanbul-2 or some other thing, what will happen next? well, again, i would separate all the statements and separate the second peace conference, because the second peace conference, we can hardly expect much from it. result, yes, this is a process, yes, the first conference should have been held, the second should be held, maybe a third, this is the process itself, this is the agreements, this is the polishing of the agreements, this is the rallying around the ukrainian peace formula or the ukrainian idea of ​​peace, it doesn’t matter, that is, this is the process itself, this is a mandatory rule, but you know, we have this one process, brought about such a simple ideal that here is the peace summit, the first, the second, we worked for a whole year, we achieved... our great result, and now the second summit will put everything in place, not put it in place, even if russia will take part in the second summit, believe me, obviously she is not even

someone at the level of medinsky, well, medinsky, who was in istanbul from the russian side, the former minister of culture, culture, i emphasize, and assistant to the president, i think it is possible that someone will even be at the level of the heads of the department , such russia will try to humiliate, underestimate the status and the leader, there is less than half a minute left, if possible, sum it up, yes, but it is important for us to pay attention to the statements of the heavyweights, it is important to pay attention to the actions of india, despite the fact that we have failed the indian direction in many ways , from the non-appointment of the ambassador to the underestimation, and ending with the european heavyweights, the plan will be, perhaps we will still have to take quite... steps for us, i mean the arrest formulas or the coffee formulas in the crimea, it is obvious that it will not happen, mr. oleksiy , thank you, oleksiy koshel, a doctor of historical sciences and the head of the committee of voters of ukraine, was with us and before the word about

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