on september 11, 2022, when the armed forces of ukraine liberated the village of kozach lopan in the kharkiv region, it became known about the disappearance of three brothers, six-year-old rostyslav, eight-year-old yaroslav and 11-year-old svyatoslav voloshenikh. the children disappeared earlier during the russian occupation, and there are suspicions that they could have been taken to russia or temporarily. occupied territories. however, this is only an assumption. due to the fact that the children disappeared during the occupation, the search process is significantly complicated, and it is still impossible to obtain accurate information about the circumstances of the disappearance of the voloshyn brothers. and that's all well, we do not lose hope of finding boys and we really hope for your help, attention and care. so if you recognize the children or have any information on their whereabouts. please call

the magnolia child tracing service hotline at 11630. calls from all ukrainian mobile operators are free. we also ask you to share this information on your social networks. this will help you reach a larger audience and increase the likelihood of obtaining important testimony or information. without exaggeration, every detail matters and your activity. can significantly affect the search for the missing brothers. thank you in advance for your concern. also , 15-year-old kamila neronova disappeared in the village of kozacha lopan in kharkiv oblast. information about kamila's disappearance appeared at the end of february 2023, six months after the deoccupation of the village. it is not known where the girl may be now. perhaps she was also taken to the temporarily occupied. and maybe

to russia, so it is very important to learn at least some information about the circumstances camila's disappearance. attention to the photo: the girl looks about 15 years old, she has dark hair and brown eyes. so, if suddenly someone has seen kamila or knows where she might be, immediately call the hotline of the magnolia children's search service at the number 116 30. calls from any ukrainian. operator free. if suddenly there is no connection or the possibility to call, write to the chatbot of the children's search service in telegram or to our social networks, instagram or facebook. we will be grateful for any, even the smallest information it is clear that now the vast majority of the children we are trying to find have disappeared due to circumstances related to the war in one way or another. but

at the same time, as before a full-scale invasion, children often go missing due to running away from home. this is mainly done by boys and girls in adolescence, and the reasons are very different. conflicts in the family, not enough or vice versa, excessive attention from parents, bullying at school, unfortunately, violence, or the banal search for adventure, independence and freedom. the child tracing service has prepared a series of tips for parents from a psychologist about what, first of all... you need to do to prevent a child from running away from home. show respect for the child's personality, his personal space, and his belongings. often we do not notice how our children grow up, and what was normal in behavior with a small child, is completely unacceptable in behavior with a teenager, for example. we can't walk into a teenager's room without knocking, and we can't even walk into a bathroom when he's there. you can't rummage through his personal things without permission, you can't. read his correspondence, this

everything violates his privacy, violates boundaries, makes him feel vulnerable and prompts him to run away, prompts him to seek safe places somewhere outside the home, do we need that? so, building a healthy relationship between parents and child. the child should have his own space, where parents should not interfere without consent. and most importantly, respect in adolescence is extremely important. that 's the end of it, i ask you to go to the website of the children's search service. look carefully at the photo, maybe you recognize someone, or at least know some information about one of these boys and girls? you can call us on 11630. this is the magnolia child tracing hotline. calls are free.

olenka cherninka, a writer, is my guest today. the artist and mother of the hero. olenko, i congratulate you, today you are visiting us. and you know what i want to talk to you about today. the war changed us all. we will never be the same again . and we got this terrible, amazing experience, an experience that we might never want to have in our lives. "i talk to many people, about many things i ask, but today i will talk with you, probably about the most painful topic in your life, because i start every interview from february 24, and i want to start an interview with you from may 20,

2023, i remember this day and i know that you remember it very well and can tell me what that day was like?". it is usually said that a mother feels and knows, and in this way she has a connection, on this day, as i experienced all days from the beginning of the full-scale invasion, when mykhailo went to the great war, i experienced every day, for some reason i was on this day i was absolutely not worried, i was calm, and if you believe the words of my brothers, i was calm the whole moment when... "as they say, the child was already dead, i didn't feel anything, and even when i called my brothers and introduced myself , i oh, hello, because i knew him, i corresponded with his wife, and then i hear that something is wrong in his voice, and i

say that mykhailo is wounded, he says, no, unfortunately, unfortunately, he died , i remember exactly this conversation to the second." my emotions, my condition, i spoke to him quietly, but my mother and sister heard me from a completely different end apartment, they came running, i couldn't call my wife anymore, yulia called my wife, and i just heard a terrible scream on the phone, martha's cry of despair, that was the day of may 20 , 2023, a year has passed, almost, almost. and look, this is your experience, of course, i would like no one to go through it, but we understand that, for sure, during these more than two years of war, a lot of mothers, wives, sisters,

daughters went through the same experience as you, and we understand that the war is not over, and therefore many more will go through such an experience, that's why i wanted you to... share it today , that we should know where to turn, how to act in such situations, you remember those first minutes, hours, days, what you did, who supported you, and in general , i received the greatest support from my sister yulia cherninka, from my best friend marina savka, and from marta, mykhailo's wife. my sister-in-law, well, from my mother of course, it, it was such support, if it wasn't for them, i don't know if i'd be alive today, it was fantastic support, what do you have to do in times like this moments, to be honest, for me that period of time

was, i don't remember everything, it was like in a fog , i only remember that everywhere at all the institutions where we went, marta supported me. and just said: here you have to sign, here you have to, i didn't even read, because i couldn't understand anything at all, what happens if a person finds himself in a situation like me, i just remember that i have to file a police report with the sbu , to the red cross, to the united nations commissioner for missing persons, and to the coordination headquarters. this is the main thing, where you need to go submit everything all applications are according to their requirements, i just recently applied, there is this alexey yukov, he drives, i forgot the name of his ggo, bridgehead, bridgehead and

black tulip, we also filed an application there, all the data about mykhailo and the banana boy , who disappeared together with... this is his brother and close friend. how did i survive? well, actually, i really survived, because i still do. i can't call it life because it's survival. i turned first of all to qualified specialists, never turn to psychologists, they are not for you will help, this is not the situation where a psychologist helps. a psychologist means you broke up with your boyfriend, you're not doing well at work, well then, well, then you can go to a psychologist when such a situation occurs, a psychologist is like a poultice for a dead person, he won't help you, you'll take a step forward. two steps back, one step forward, two steps back, you need to see a psychiatrist, and a practicing, qualified one, with good

recommendations, to give you the right medical support and to have a specialist psychotherapist work with you, victoria zabor has been working with me for a year, she works as a psychotherapist, with me every week on thursdays we spend an hour together, and medically... he prescribes and changes me, changes medications so that i don't get used to one or the other, lyudmila oleksiivna samsonova, that's two, two people, this, this the two pillars that made me survive as well, and that's why i have them on facebook, they read all my posts, it's like my medical history for them, how long did you turn in, how long has it been since... may 20, when you turned to specialists, i think, somewhere in the middle of june,

because yes, sometime in the middle of june, i called mariana savtka, yulichka's sister did not leave my side for three weeks, she was just with me 24/7, i called mariana, yulichka left sometime then, i called her and said, i will go to bed to the hospital, but please come with me. so that i don't give up at the last moment, because we, all children of the soviet union, are used to the fact that psychiatry is something very , very scary, you made this decision yourself, or your loved ones, no, i made the decision myself, because i realized that i i am jumping into the abyss, and i am still waiting for my son, and i do not want him to see me in some inadequate state, and i have actually already jumped to the point of being inadequate. it's probably worth telling our viewers that until today you don't know

if he's alive or what happened to him brothers, brothers all shout with one voice that he died and they're sure of it, there's no body , it's okay, i'm not sure and i'll never trust anyone to the end, i 'll wait, i'll wait if i have to it will be, i will wait all my life, but i will wait, here i am... i still got out of this state, i started writing posts, i started writing posts on the internet, talking to my son, i remembered our stories from his childhood, from the beginning, how small he was, how he was a teenager, what stories we had, what funny and tragic stories we had, here and there, and i wrote them under one hashtag lemberg two dots. mommy don't cry, lemberg, mommy don't cry, lemberg is my son's nickname. at first he had

the call sign lviv, but when he moved east, there was the position of lviv, and in order not to confuse the position with the call sign, it was renamed lemberg by the brothers, this is the ancient name of lviv, and i also wrote posts about myself, about my feelings, about how i was a mother before, since the beginning of a large-scale war . the invasion of the great war by the 20th of may 2023 what was i mom what did we do what did we get it was just if my son called me and said mom i need so-so-so-so but it's on marsi, and i would say: there is, and i would fly to mars, i bought him such things, who will read the book, he will understand that it was simply impossible to do it. and i said: i will do it, and when he wanted to transfer, he said, mom, they don’t want, well

, a fighter like him, of course, no one wanted to transfer, he is beautiful, he has proven himself, and all the recommendations that my brothers later wrote to me and the commanders wrote and spoke about him, and i understood that, of course , no one wanted to transfer him, he wanted, yes, he passed this height, he needs to go higher, he has already passed this, gained knowledge, he needs to go higher, and so he tore, tore at... in the end, he left from the first days of full-scale, from the first days alone, he came to the dressage committee three times, he was told, we will call you, and he left himself, and then he said, mother, guess what, i will come... stka, and i am already here, and he said to me once: "mom, they don't want to transfer me, you have a chance to be a slave, well damn, who am i and who is a slave, where do i have a chance to be a slave, but i know so much that he is in me believes as in god and that i am such an authority for him, i said, of course i will find it, i did not know how it

would happen, but in three days i already had phone, i wrote to valery fedorovych in the evening, and mykhailo was already there in the morning.' conducted, valery fedorovich sent me all the documents, these are the stories in this book, stories from him, how he became a man, how he became a boy, how he fought, our military stories, reviews of the draft, well, the book is non-fiction, but it reads like fiction , and of course my experience, how i got out of this situation, this book was called a primer for the military, for relatives of the military, for... relatives and for those who have nothing to do with the war, so that he could understand we have become closer to each other, and why for relatives, please explain, why for relatives, what, what is in the book, what is it, i wrote about my experience, this will be a primer for relatives, i wrote a full assessment, they are today ,

you know, you can give a few examples, just tell me what exactly... what exactly i wrote , and the feedback started to be very strong, after the publication of this book, they started writing to me, every day, i receive letters from people i don't know, they are written by mothers , sisters, wives write this, and literally this morning to me a letter arrived, thank you, some inna wrote me the last name, i don't remember, thank you for writing this book, reading it, i knew my husband when he told me how he was small, how he grew up, all these stories, he says, it seems that you wrote about my husband. ivan kadymyt, if you remember, reading my posts on the internet, said: "god, i see artemko, i see my artemko, these are children born in free ukraine." they are completely different, plus or minus there are several years. and this book is a primer. like, me

i once dreamed when i got to the clinic, er, my doctor. is treating me according to the method of viktor frankl, and i realized that my son often quoted various phrases, and when i now recognize that these are frankl's phrases, i understand that my son read frankl and was interested in him, and i was in very good hands, and i, when victor frankol wrote a book in search of true meaning, yes, it seems, that's what it's called, this is a man who lived through the constable, and he shared his experience, how he survived, what he reached. what did he operate, what were his senses, and people, when this war ended, the second world war, this book of his became a primer, because almost the whole world was wounded by this war, and people, reading this book, and it immediately became a bestseller, reading this book, they had such a primer for themselves, a survival primer, and i understood, while writing these posts, serhiy

rudenko and volodymyr vyatrovych wrote to me that this should be a book, just on... they wrote to me in personal messages, it should be a book, and i collected this book, these posts were collected into a book , under this hashtag, named this book, and i in i had the feeling that maybe it will be, well, i don't want to praise myself too much, but it might be with something similar to viktor frankl's book, only it was during the second world war and wounded... society read it, and now our wounded ukrainian society, reading this book, will find a lot in common, a lot of kinship, will see this experience, and maybe in this experience will find some necessary things for themselves, who are these people who are coming to you now at the presentation of this book, when you visit different cities of ukraine,

i did not even expect that the presentations would be so crowded and that the book would have... such great publicity, because the first edition was sold out in three weeks, i did not expect that it would be so necessary and so interesting for everyone, the people who come , first of all, they come to sign, buy a book at the presentation, come to sign, and everyone wants to hug me, and i want to hug this person, we hug, each person should spend a few minutes, talk, someone is a mother, someone is a neighbor... someone is a wife, someone is just a person who cares, and i also noticed that mostly at all my presentations people cry in the hall. some are afraid to read this book, thinking that it is very strong, dramatic, in fact, it is a drama

of light, who has already read it, they say, there is so much light and so much summer, reading it, they grow wings and want to fly, so you cry, sometimes over some chapters, but these tears are pure and bright, these tears of faith, hope and love. maybe those people who came to you for a presentation, maybe you remember, maybe someone told you a story that you were impressed, and maybe someone had a story similar to yours, and you can share it, there was, there was not one, there was not one, when a woman approaches, and her daughter-in-law, her husband's wife, wrote a book, he... the plaintiff was an eagle, the surname is orlov, and my mother came to the presentation, and my wife could not come to the presentation then, my mother came, and

we both cried, hugged each other, but she already knows for sure that he died, everyone who knows me does. , who writes to me, who cares, people believe that mykhailo will return, i also really want to believe and i really want him to write a sequel. of this book, it would probably be called lemberg's return, that's how i want it, well, god willing , god's will. olenko, well, getting back to what you know about your son today, and what you don't know about his fate today? what, what answers are they sending you, what are they saying, nothing, shut up, shut up, i communicate with... many of his brothers, i communicate with combrig pavel palisa, i communicate with his combatant, bravo,

i communicate with the financial department, because marta was processing there getting help as a wife she is afraid of the military, she has a terrible fear, so communicate. i used to get marta money for her, and we are very good friends with her, we were not so friendly before, and now we can go to the beauty salon together, go to the toilet, just keep silent even together, we are comfortable, and i think that mykhailo is happy, if he knew this, you are lucky, because you have such a... beautiful family that supports you, maybe you found out, and so when you traveled, traveled with this book, different cities of our country, maybe there is some

special unions that unite such women, maybe there are some organizations that help, because we understand that not everyone is really lucky sometimes with family, with friends, and not everyone can get such colossal support, there are, of course, unions, there are organizations. i have been invited several times, i am not yet ready for unions and organizations, i communicate with ivanka dymyt, this communication is enough for me, she supports me a lot, it is not ready, why tell me, do you think that there we are all different, we are all different, and me, honestly speaking, i am a little afraid of this communication, i think that it will harm me. well, this is my inner intuition so far for today , maybe i will change my mind later, so far yes, you are afraid, because there can be

a lot of grief, i perceive each grief as my own, and listening to each story, it is another trigger for me , i even recently stopped reading the news, because i cry every time, every time a photo of a hero who died flies on facebook, i cry over every... photo, i thought that while that i'm not ready, i'm not ready, that's how i made up my mind, and i got a lot of advice, and i made up my mind to adopt or adopt a child, but my doctor says that until you adopt yourself, you're not ready, when you'll be well on your own legs, it can be a very strong help and change you, or maybe on the contrary you will not be able to give this child anything. whatever you can, find your resource, love yourself, hug yourself, there are such, even psychotherapeutic classes, you hug yourself, feel sorry for yourself. or

you look in the mirror at yourself and talk to with myself, with my self, to feel myself, to feel sorry for myself and to understand that life was given to you by god, and you have no right to waste it, it happens, people leave, people come, people leave again, and my psychotherapist also said: take it like this , as madonna held her cubs and imagine that this is your cub, do you have the right to harm her? you don't have to, you have to treat your life the same way, i'm trying to understand it now and live with it, feel it and be, be like that, maybe you can advise our viewers who have experienced grief

and... and maybe you know some other practices or things that have helped you, movies, books you read, write posts on facebook, write, don't be ashamed, don't be ashamed to do a moral striptease, don't be ashamed, don't be ashamed to show your vulnerability, your pain, don't be ashamed to show your despair, don't hold it in, choose a hashtag and write a post every day, write about your... husband, write about your child, write about your brother, tell stories, share, let the whole world knows and hears, and is proud of it just how proud you are. tell me, please, look, what are the next steps, someone told you, maybe some government agencies, maybe the military, told you what your

next steps should be, that... don't worry, wait, wait, i passed the dna, my ex- husband also passed a dna test, we did everything we could, now we just have to wait, the area where mykhailo and bananchyk disappeared is under occupation, no one will go there, if suddenly they, the wounded, are taken in captivity, that... side never gives any lists, although it is supposed to give lists according to all the rules of the un, they must give lists, they don’t give them, unless you can use some special telegram channels to hunt them down, look for them, which i do from time to time, but to no avail, so what else can be done , i would have gone there, i would have crawled there

and kissed it... bakhmut and i would have waited for my son and looked for him, i don't know what can be done, i did everything that was possible. by the way, i remember this idea of ​​yours, when you talked about the fact that you wanted to go there, i drove, but i came as close as possible, through druzhkivka to kostyantynivka from kramatorsk, i heard that every morning in kramatorsk you wake up and hear only bang, bang, bang, bang. you hear how the war is going on, and the closest to me is my brother, mykhailo's classmate, who also serves there, felix, he took me as close as possible so that i could launch helium balloons with a letter to mykhailo and bananchik. i wrote them a letter that i was waiting for them, and we laughed a lot that there would be an incomprehensible obje in the sky.

well, nothing, he flew, and when i looked at him, he disappeared right out of my sight. i brought these jelly balls from lviv, we traveled in a bus with volunteers and shook all our belongings, and these balls traveled with us all the way. the war continues, and my next question to you will surely be difficult. very difficult, because it seems to me that i am no longer afraid of anything in this world, i am not even afraid of death anymore, look, women and mothers are looking at you now, whose sons, thank god, are alive, but would you let your son go , knowing that...