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gennadiy kryvoshey, a member of the public anti-corruption council under the ministry of defense of ukraine, is back with us. mr. gennadiy glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes, good morning. last time we found out why baptisms, some instead of meat got to the table of the military, it seems that this issue has been closed, and now there is an opportunity to lower it in another place, it turns out that butter and eggs can also be somehow wrong, not in supply such, not such... quality, and this is what is happening, i ask you to tell us more about this story, and whether it will be possible to close this loophole of some low-quality supply and, accordingly, abuse, possibly higher prices? well, yes, last time we talked about meat and you remember, then in principle there were comments about how it is supplied there, what are the problems, and in principle, according to the results of such a public ...

actually discovered by the military , this problem was discovered in the ministry of defense together with the dot and the involvement of representatives of the public anti-corruption council, there were also military and veterinarians, was three commissions were created. these three commissions work in three different directions, the south and the east, at the moment these commissions are still working, they conduct a certain check on the presence and detection of those problems that exist during supply of food products to the armed forces of ukraine, in particular, we are talking about those regions where combat clashes are currently taking place or are close to the regions of combat clashes, so that the problem that was with meat no longer exists, under during one of these checks, we were in the south, and real problems with the eggs were just discovered, and what struck me more, i understand, that 's exactly what they are, these are the eggs, which, so you can understand, they were laid during the week, last week, well, on monday or so

tuesday, we checked them there on saturday, and we had the impression that they were somehow hidden, and the veterinarians immediately discovered it and... we had to show it, because there really is a problem with it, eh plus what, the supplier immediately reacted both to butter and to eggs, uh, i immediately started replacing the product, but i would like to focus on the following, somewhere about six months ago, we already talked about butter and the fact that there is a very low level of dairy of fats, that is, when you do the relevant research on oil. should be 100% cholesterol, and cholesterol is a confirmation that there are no vegetable fats there, and there are purely milk fats, that is , it is produced in this peasant butter, so that you can understand, in the lviv region, the village of nadechi, there is a producer there, for sure the same

manufacturer was discovered six months ago, on which research was conducted, on which criminal proceedings were even opened. however, the manufacturer or, well, the manufacturer, as i understand it, first of all, what he does is change the label, change the name of the company, make new there is an appearance and supplies this oil at low prices, but its quality, as they say, is quite dubious, and that's why i even, well , eggs are an understandable story, but oil is something that you can't actually check right away, and i was very impressed by this, because now we are deciding how... how this enterprise needs to be inspected in general about whether milk is supplied there at all, or whether there is any processing there at all, because the last time i personally did inspection together with veterinarians of the ministry of defense, there was only 4% of milk fat, the rest were all

vegetable, obscure palm oil and the like, well, that is, there was actually no oil, it was also due to a military complaint, the same story turned out to be the same here, so... well, it is quite strong for us impresses this is the first. second, how is the response currently proceeding in terms of the detected violations of dot. and i have to note here the positive side of the state operator tilu. yesterday, even i sent there to one of the military units, the problem was written on two pages for the supplier midprom. today there is already a reaction, it is immediately worked out for each of the positions directly with the supplier and until then. inserts a requirement that they immediately replace it, that is, a fine is good, but it does not solve the problem, there should be an operational inclusion in order to replace this poor quality product, a fine should be imposed unambiguously, but in the future on these

parts vets, together with the state operator tilu should carry out, and in principle, it is now in the plans for them to carry out repeated control of that products that will be supplied further, otherwise we will not deliver it... but for today, if i am not mistaken, on saturday there was a state operator tylu, they wrote about it, held a corresponding presentation, they want to change the system of supply in general for next year, they are trying to ensure that food products for military personnel are purchased directly from the manufacturer, and i constantly emphasize this, it is quite important, because when you buy from... the manufacturer does not have a gasket, you do not overpay, and the manufacturer , qualitative the producer, he bears a certain guarantee, responsibility for his food products, because this is his production, this is his business, this is his salary and this is his work, by the way, this is the meat that you show, in principle

there were no comments on it , that's why they checked the meat products in parallel, uh, well, apart from this check, let's go back to the previous stories, because just yesterday the pechersk court continued... in its various previous rulings and said for the head of the supreme court another 60 days in custody, and that was it a case with... how much is there? the defendants themselves will remain in custody until november 1 with the possibility of a bail of 360 million 302 and 250 and 160, as i understand it, each family was allocated a different amount that they must pay, and the prosecutor general's office does not disclose names, but it is clear from the materials that this concerns all those involved in hrynkevich, and what's next? well, then we understand that the case is in court, but the question... is that today they do not supply anything to the armed forces of ukraine, this is the first thing. second, upon detection

of any violations or any such situations, which are, then the state, to date , the state operator of the rear and the ministry of defense must respond in order to prevent unscrupulous suppliers from supplying food to the armed forces of ukraine. well, this is the second and third, we must understand that, well, the case must come to a logical conclusion, so that it does not turn out that he... is asking in the dark, something will not be proven, he will then be released, eh , or on the contrary, he is not guilty, you understand, that is, there is no need to drag out these stories, it should not go, it should not be delayed in long box, the judicial system must work quickly, together with the prosecutor's office, law enforcement agencies, in order to complete these criminal proceedings, criminal relevant cases, in particular, if it concerns the ministry of defense, mr. gennadiy, by the way, please, i would also like to say one accent, about which there is a big problem today, is

that the state consumer service, based on the fact that there is a state of war in the country, it cannot fully carry out, well, let's say this, it is forbidden to actually carry out unplanned inspections based on a complaint by the ministry of defense or some legal company, only on a complaint of physical intervention, they conduct appropriate inspections, and today we will raise the issue and discuss... with the state food service and the relevant ministry, so that when there is a complaint from veterinarians, it is precisely the relevant department of the ministry of defense, so that it is an inspection at the relevant enterprises, because, as i said, there is such a thing in the lviv region, so that unscheduled inspections can be carried out, because i believe that everything related to quality the supply of food to the armed forces, there cannot be any delay here, or there cannot be any ban on the inspection of these enterprises, because these are the people who protect ours. in principle, they allow us to live on our land and give the same

business the opportunity to work, so this is quite an important issue here, and we will raise it this week together with the ministry to hold relevant meetings in the form of round tables. mr. gennadiy, i know that there is such an option to simply contact you directly or through social networks or in some another way is to report those violations, violations related to the quality of supplies for the military. and we heard several high-profile stories, such as meat, eggs, butter, with clothes, there were many such stories, but are there any stories that do not fall into high-profile scandals, which then do not appear on the air, in fact, which ones do you are reported and it is possible to deal with it faster and to shorten them, well , of course there are, but tell me, well, they are, so we don’t always talk and write about them, well, what... a week i receive two or three complaints in average for this or that military unit

for the supply of some small unit there, i am not saying that this is global, a global problem, but we have a mechanism in place, when a complaint comes, we immediately notify the state operator tilu about it, and our agreement is as follows , well , i personally discussed the situation with them, that the problem should be solved within a day or two, if within a day or two, whether the military... says that the situation has not changed, then there is a problem with it, then we take it to a more public space, as, let's say, the situation, which came out with the meat, and you see, well, now we are talking about three groups working, together with the veterinarians, with everyone who conducts the appropriate checks in order to avoid this problem, in general, the number of complaints is, well, it is not is, let's say, whether it is greater or less, it is stable. that is, it is a stable problem, because the more suppliers, relatively speaking, yes, the

greater the number, in particular, now we have a period when we have fresh products, when we have the opportunity to bring well, let's put it this way, the goods that were collected there in the fields there a month ago are still being transported, they are still in the car, you know, they can be there, for example, with some kind of rot and the like, and quite often you even to notice you can't, but it is the responsibility of those who take this product, these food products, so today it is important that the system works in this way, there is a direct responsibility of supply. and he is responsible for where he buys this product, from which of the manufacturers he buys it, but also there is also the responsibility of the relevant employees, for example, who accept this product in military units, because if they do not even visually check the dates, expiration date, certificates of conformity,

the presence and compliance of the dstu there, or the presence of technical conditions for production. of its products, one way or another, then we may have a problem, including with meat, with eggs, with other products, by the way, there was no date on the eggs we were talking about, you understand, the date was broken production, so i do not rule out that these are the eggs that were just staying, they were just brought, again, so it needs to be detected at the time of delivery of this, and this is the responsibility of the military as well, that is, you have under control all these elements of the chain to understand on which e. ​​would like to understand today, so that sometimes the situation is like this, well , blame everything on the suppliers, even we come with you to the store and quite often you buy meat, come home, apologize, and it foams, and then you come to them and return it, well, you sold it to me, right , well, kind of homemade, you say that it is farm-made, but what kind is it, well, you understand, and then they show on the label that 15 or 10%

water content is allowed there, and what kind of water is it, what kind of liquid is it, listen, you understand, that’s why the same is supplied to the armed forces. thank you for the position and for keeping an eye on all this. hennadiy kryvoshey, a member of the public anti-corruption council under the ministry of defense of ukraine was with us, and now to international issues, but also very, very important, indologist, head of the new challenges department of nist and doctor of political sciences, olena bordilovska joins our conversation, mrs. elena, glory to ukraine. glory to the hero, thank you for the invitation. we have, not us, they have a guest from india today. two days tomorrow , the national security advisor of the prime minister of india flies to moscow and has to talk with putin, apparently some other peace plans of his own, and this after modi was in kyiv and supposedly supported ukraine, how ugh, how can that be to be, what

kind of indian politics is this, is it similar to chinese, shuttle type. well, blueberry diplomacy is here, but it looks a little different, this is actually the case when, me i don't know, of course, the laws of journalism, i'm not a journalist, but it seems to me that there is such an attempt to create a sensation where there really isn't one, which i say because this news was very actively reposted by all the agencies of the world, including the ukrainian media , the news came from indiaa today, but it looked a bit... or otherwise, so because doval is really, he's a very iconic figure in indian politics, he's the national security adviser, who's an adviser to prime minister narendra modi, who decides strategically important issues for your country, he is indeed going to russia, indeed to st. petersburg, as it turned out, but he is flying there for a meeting of national

security advisors of brics member countries, because russia is chairing brics this year. and such consultation mechanisms are held constantly, and besides the fact that he flies there for these consultations, he will also talk there with his partner, that is, it is shoigu in this case, maybe he will also have talks with putin, also with his chinese colleague, that is, it will all be within the limits of this summit, er, there is no sensation here, also because deval there is no moscow or st. petersburg. meaning, rides during this war constantly, last year alone he was there at least five times, this is what we know, maybe we don't know everything, and this mechanism of consultation is permanent, that is, here on rendermod, he is not sent, because someone printed there that there is a special envoy,

no, he is not a special envoy, but it is obvious that the issue of peace in ukraine, he does discuss... well, the sensation is a little different, not a sensation, but there is really something to talk about here to talk at the same time with him about little who even remembers, the tour is also made by the minister of foreign affairs of india, jay shankar, who is flying to the gulf countries for the first, to the first meeting in riyadh in saudi arabia, the minister of foreign affairs of india and the member countries of the organization, or rather the council of the commonwealth. the gulf countries, yes, that is, six states, after which he also flies to switzerland and to germany, and now, if you put it all into a picture of what we get there... yesterday or the day before yesterday, some news about peace initiatives scholz, we know that switzerland, which held the first the peace summit, actively involved in various

negotiations, here we can really assert, as you said, that some sensitive diplomacy is taking place, and not only ajit doval is involved in it, and that indeed the negotiations on a possible end to the war in ukraine, on the achievement peace, they are still going. and one more detail, which we also already know, but i will just remind you that recently , at a summit in his economic forum in the far east, putin, so to speak, approved india as a country that can also be next to brazil and china. a participant, or rather a mediator, a mediator between russia and ukraine. all this is already put together in such a picture, but the way the news is presented in itself. india, the way they are presented in russia, they are a little different, let's say so, in russia it is now profitable to present it in this way, that there is india, there are many efforts that it makes, and

russia, so to speak, to them trusts, mrs. elena, we literally have two minutes there, but we just want to understand, it happened at the same time, about the unfinished peace plan, said a great friend putin from nato. i'm talking about orbán and his siyarta, you already mentioned olaf scholz with a peace plan and willingness to sacrifice ukrainian territories for a ceasefire. it is as if the second plan then comes out, the indian plan, which is being discussed now within the framework of these multilateral talks, this is another plan, and it also involves the loss of ukrainian territories, don't you know that? no, it's just known, none. there is no indian plan, it does not exist, there is only an effort and a desire to help where possible, but again yes, one more detail, yesterday the spokeswoman of the chinese ministry of foreign

affairs said that they support any efforts of india to achieve peace in ukraine, so put together a picture from all this, yes, this is what we know and what we do not know, we we can only think about it, but there is no special india, and india is always supportive. the territorial integrity of ukraine is very important in this regard, actually, yes, but within the framework of brics, there is one chinese plan, or are there several different options? well, there is also a plan for brazil, which generally agrees to it the chinese plan and everything, all the rest of the countries did not provide any clear plan of their own, that 's why we really see negotiations at very different levels, at very different levels. mrs. elena, thank you. for clarification and for encouraging not to look for treason, but also pointing out those places that are important. olena bordilovska, indologist and head of the department of new challenges in nice and doctor

of political sciences was with us. in the meantime, we add up the interim total in our collection, we have 2, and 750 hryvnias left to half the required amount. i am convinced that it is very much now soon these funds will be deposited into the account, because every time we make such reminders and remind that it is necessary to collect, the amount is currently small, insufficient, then you become very active and it is immediately visible that both larger and smaller donations are coming to the account, so please be more active this time as well, because we need to collect a total of 3.5 million uah for drones and rebs so that our defenders... it would be a little easier for them to have more resources and be calmer for their own safety, a short pause after which we immediately look at news from the espresso team and we'll be back.

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