45 collaborators program with olena kononenko on the espresso tv channel. let's return to our conversation, social issues of pensions and the living wage. we will talk about this in the next few minutes with andrii reva, minister of social policy of ukraine in 2016-19. mr. andriy, good afternoon, we welcome you to our air. good day do you believe that in... it will be possible to introduce this reform and how they plan to increase pensions by almost two times until they are more than half of the average such salary. tell me, please, that the end has come for us era of poverty, in my opinion, it should have come on april 21, 2019, if we have not forgotten, and since then the number of poor people in our country has increased by 10,800 people in the last year alone. and reached the figure of 9 million people,

9 million, a fantastic figure, more than 50% of ukrainian citizens, according to the world bank, are already poor, this is the end of the era of poverty, and today there is a promise: we will double pensions . tell me, please, how to double pensions, where will you get the money to increase payments to people, their are taken exclusively from the pension fund or at the expense of a single social contribution. which should double, that is, double, or the number of payers of this tax, this contribution should increase, or the wages on which this contribution is calculated should double, that is, the current amount that goes to pay pensioners should be doubled , or take 500 billion in the budget, if there is no 500 billion in the budget for the army, where will you take 500 billion for increasing pensions, or you? you think that no one will count,

well, the truth is there is a third option, to take over inflation, and then as a result you, we were all millionaires once too, and now we will receive a pension, relatively speaking, twice as much, but we will be able to buy less than with the current pension, there are no prerequisites today for the pension to double, so what you hear is a brazen, cynical lie, in general, when we talk about pension. reform, about the pension reform, we must remember one important thing, that the pension reform concerns every citizen of ukraine, and you who are working today, and those who are retired, and therefore, this issue cannot be kept a secret from society, it must be discussed with people, broad discussions and consultations must be held, and only after that it is possible to come up with some proposals.

do you remember how gipko once carried out a very difficult reform in our country, raising the retirement age for women, so there was a public discussion of this issue for eight months, it was an unpopular decision, but in 2011 under yanukovych it was adopted and by 2021 the retirement age of women increased today he is 60 years old, you remember how we carried out the pension reform, leading the discussion with the european union for six months, i was on all television programs, we met with public organizations, we met with political figures, with political parties, with people's deputies, with international experts, we explained every provision of our reform, after the first reading there were more than 2,500 amendments, 500 we publicly discussed and included in this draft law, and only after that we accepted, having received the support of 288 deputies, what we see today, you see the draft law proposed by the green government that we... hear, we will carry out a pension reform and

double pensions, great, show the draft bill, show yours, and can you explain to us one moment, you already mentioned an absolutely scandalous story with the , that in the fall there are actually no funds in the budget for the salaries of military personnel and front-line workers, the deputies seized on this. yesterday in the first reading they tried to save the situation, this is how the government and the ministry of finance wrote, i don’t know, they believed that in september it would no longer be necessary, i don’t know what the reasons are, but the deputies yesterday, ivan krulkovyn, the deputy of the budget committee, explained that they will try to cover this deficit by finding 500 million by reducing certain expenses, and we have such strange expenses, you saw for yourself, and in this way this resource will be found, or ? we have a miscalculation, how much

money we need to implement such a double pension idea and whether we have such resources where we could reduce them. and not, on the contrary, to take from the pension fund, which is already insufficient. i named this figure: in order to to increase pensions by two times, it is necessary for the pension fund to receive at least 500 billion hryvnias in addition. this is an official figure, i am responsible for it, that is, if there is not 500 billion uah for the military, and they are thinking about how to reduce expenses, and by the way, last year from the pension fund. they took uah 29 billion, well, without increasing pensions for the poorest by a single gram, so where are you going to take another 500 billion to double pensions. i started and i will say it again, this is a cynical, brazen lie, the same as their promise, the end of

the business era. let's see what happens in 5 years they did in pension legislation. they fundamentally did nothing in the pension legislation for 5 years. having a parliamentary majority, having support. the president, having the demands of the citizens, and in principle, we even told them what points should be extended in the reform of pensions. what did they do? one single thing: they started indexing special pensions, that is , what we stopped and said that pension provision for everyone should be provided according to a single law, according to a single order, they started indexing the pension of people's deputies, civil servants, officials of local self-government and other special pensioners, who needed help to a lesser extent than poor people, and at the same time they froze the living wage, they froze the minimum wage, that is, those who really had minimum pensions, they threw them away, and began to think about those who, in principle, could wait. this is

the only change they made in the pension legislation. the second thing: for five years, five years, they promised to reform the subsistence myth. i remember my first... discussions with trytyakova, trityakova told me that you did not touch the living wage there, as a result , the poor suffered there, despite the fact that when i became a minister, the living wage for the disabled was uah 949, and the people who received such a pension when i left was 1,564. to date, in 5 years they managed to increase this figure to 2,391 hryvnias, count, in 5 years, hundreds of billions of hryvnias were thrown on the roads for... theft, for everything , but not for the poor, even the pension fund was taken money when he could do it as it was last year. trytyakova promised, and it was spelled out in the 2020 law, that the living wage for pensioners will be 4,251

hryvnias. then, during the first revision of the budget, they took it away and then kept quiet, and then they said, you know, we cannot raise the living wage, because it must be untied from other laws. and now they have been untying for 5 years and as a result, zholnovych speaks up and says: the living wage must be abolished, and this indicates that she does not understand what it is at all? subsistence minimum is not a payment, it's not what people are paid, it's a ro, it's a state social standard, relatively speaking, when you're asked, please count the distance from your house to a store or a pharmacy, and they give you a ten-centimeter ruler, how much will you count, you will be very good. so instead of saying give us a normal measure, a meter, for example, and we will count the steps there, it will be faster, they say, no, the ruler is bad, let's throw it away and forget about it, let's say that the pharmacy is far away, that is a person does not understand the essence of the issue he is dealing with, now they are in

the budget for three years, here i have a resolution in front of me, for three years they plan to freeze social standards altogether, please tell me why you are lying, that you will retire ? twice the second argument that i hear from them, you know, in our country, depending on the number of years when a person retired, the pension is different if the indicators of his seniority and earnings are the same. this is true. but this is not decided by law. when we came, we had 10 different indicators, and pensions differed by two or three times. how is it done? this is done by modernizing the pension. that is, this basic salary indicator. you need to take the current one, this is done by a decree of the cabinet of ministers, and in this way pensions are equalized for people, but they did not do it even this year, shmygal promised to increase pensions by 13%, they increased it by less than eight, they stole 5% from pensioners, and today they are told that we

will double your pensions, they are just arrogant cynical liars, now they say that we will change the formula for calculating pensions, instead of calculate the coefficient... we will have points there, well, i understand that they have problems with mathematics, but i do not understand how points differ from the coefficient, nothing, so instead of engaging in this imitation of... leftist activity, they would do better to, firstly, modernize pensions, secondly, raise the living wage, thirdly, begin to fight the shadow economy by increasing the number of payers of the single social contribution, and fourthly, introduce a law on indicative wages so that we have managers of private enterprises and their principals the accountants did not show the minimum wage, they did not show, but that they have... five or six minimum wages in the wage was indicative: ukraine, and from it take a single social

contribution. next, we need to cancel the restriction on the payment of a single social contribution, today it is limited to 15 minimum salaries, the esu is no longer taken from the amount of uah 120,000, and at the same time, some of our managers receive million-dollar salaries, and they do not pay a penny more than uah 120,000 uah salary, i will not pay a penny. to pension fund, you can give a bunch more examples of how to increase the income of the pension fund, but they are not interested in it, they want to reduce pensions, this is the first thing, they have already talked, because they said that if a person works for 35 years, then he has will be 30% of earnings, this is already a decrease compared to the present time, why? because today with 35 years of experience, you get 35 years of earnings, 35% of wages, and you already have them today. not realizing that they had already chatted, and the second, i suspect, i have such an assumption,

that they want to cancel the annual pension indexation, this is the real goal they are trying to hide behind the talk of pension reform and doubling pensions, this is a lie, in fact they want to cut social standards, reduce spending on our pensioners, mr. andriy, i also ask you to sum up, this is the freezing of social standards, the minimum... living wage, what it can lead to in the long term, but please be brief, we have literally two minutes more time, i'm just an example i will tell my wife that in the past two years, in the 14th and 15th years, social standards were frozen, the minimum wage and the minimum wage and the subsistence minimum, so here is her wage, i now take it in the dollar equivalent, as at the teacher's, shortened. this

is what it led to, yes, she is a teacher, but imagine what will happen to her pension, which today is 2391 hryvnias, what is it like to reduce her purchasing power by 2.5 times, these people will simply die, this is the real social face of this green authorities, ugh, thank you, no everything sounded too optimistic, but at least... andrii reva, the minister of social policy of ukraine in the past , told us about social standards and whether it is possible to increase the pension, what it will lead to and where to get the money for it, and we will finish it further today the topic of energy, but we remind you and urge you that we have not yet collected half of the required amount for drones and rebs, 1004. we lack 610 hryvnias, and then we will say that we have half of everything, please, who can, who has such

opportunity, who is watching, listening, please and we will have such a good amount already as of today, about energy, which has not been turned off for the third day in the country, which is quite unexpected, we will talk with the head of the board of the ukrainian association for the restoration of energy, an expert in energy stanislav ignatiiv, on contact us, mr. stanislav. congratulations, good day, glory to ukraine, to the heroes, glory, so, we understand that this is a temporary lull, when after massive combined strikes, the enemy is again, probably, there, as they say, finishing production, missiles and will prepare until the next strikes on the critical energy infrastructure, in the meantime , the president has already held several nsdc and meetings, we say, including about the protection of energy facilities. and here we also take into account the huge sums allocated by the government for the protection of the first, second and third

level protection of energy facilities, and no matter who we ask, everyone talks about a catastrophic situation with non-development, non-building, by 80%, on some objects only the primary protection system, as they say, the anti-drone system is done, everything else is frozen, and sums billions, well, on this... a picture of where we are now, and you tell us more what will happen to all this, you, i mean, in particular, with the protection of energy on... cenzyme, first of all we currently have an anomalous phenomenon, for example, for our nervous system, it is the absence of a shortage of electrical energy, that is, we completely cover our needs due to our own generation, this is connected , first of all, with the fact that we have power units that are out of planned repair, one only on south ukrainian nuclear power plant

is temporarily under repair after difficult situation there with the cooling system, all others are working, secondly i leave... it is sunny weather, solar generation is doing well, today it is 14% and a half in our total energy balance of electricity production, it is also quite a good figure. thirdly, it is of course the fact that there is no longer such a heat, therefore cooling and air conditioning devices are not used in full volume, as it was in the summer, so now the balance converges to zero, that is , as much as we generate, as much as we consume, and this good enough but we do not forget, and the president of ukraine and other officials have already announced this, that the enemy has again accumulated means of destruction, and it is likely that there will be shelling of the objects of our energy system, regarding the protection of the energy system, we heard, of course, regarding the protection of the energy system ,

it is true that those objects where the protection was carried out by the forces of ukrenergo. in most cases, these works have been partially completed there, and shelling of those very objects showed that there is a sufficiently low level of impression, especially of expensive transformer equipment, which was closed there, or those sarcophagi, or there was anti-drone protection and so on, some of the objects were usually carried out by another structure in ukraine, so all the work has not been fully completed there, what the presenter said, because eh... there are several reasons, the first the reason is that the tenders were not fully carried out, secondly, the reason is that there is not enough manpower, because manpower, because people are now either by their own will or for other reasons at the front, protect our sky, make us calm sleep and protect them all lord, unfortunately, some of them left for europe and it is

unlikely that they will return, since they are in the working class. there is a higher level of wages than in ukraine, well, and thirdly, it is again a lack of equipment, where the enemy has struck and replacement is necessary, not all european equipment is suitable, so the situation is quite difficult, for now the situation is stable, but we do not forget, that the repair campaign, which began in 22-23 after the shelling of our country, has not yet ended. system, these were the first shellings, unfortunately, not all the equipment has yet arrived in ukraine, as it is artificial, there are no ukrainian manufacturers in full volume that can meet our needs, and the main thing is that there is a logistical component, that is, from three to four months each transformer travels through ukraine to reach the object

of our energy system, and there is another clarification , but look, as of the end of the summer, we saw. at least that's how they told us the problem with the third level of protection, which is anti-missile, it consisted in the fact that the government on the one hand slowed down, for example, funding, so it was that in general, in three months, they did not approve the payment, for example, 150 million euros, which went according to the program involved from the european commission, support for the rapid recovery of ukraine, and it was the government that slowed it down, and on the other hand, the government gave an order, let 's ... they did everything there with contractors. in a word, this was tsutswang with the third level just in time for the end of summer. is there any change now? that is, because it is the most critical, the third level of protection of a very large number of objects has failed, that is, they are standing. there are any chance it's unlocked, something has changed before,

as they say, something will be done by late fall? unfortunately, what i... with my own eyes, at various substations, these works are not carried out everywhere, there are only point implementations of these projects of the third level of anti-missile defense, unfortunately, and i think that the enemy is not only thinking, i am sure , that the enemy knows this, since a large intelligence network is working, well, plus , everything is visible from space, so here the enemy knows exactly where to aim, well, and the most important thing is the protection of... electrical transmission facilities of energy located at nuclear power plants, many experts are now saying that there are no protection works completed there, and that... therefore the enemy will probably not hit the nuclear generation facilities, that is , it is difficult to predict that the monkeys and in the head

is located, but there will be shelling, and this is already said by intelligence, and experts say that there will be shelling just at the open sites where the transformer equipment is located, and unfortunately, the protection work has not been completed there for a number of reasons, one for reasons, and this is precisely the inhibition on payments. about which you spoke, mr. stanislav, even if there is no shelling, of course we all hope for that, although we understand that, well, not in that case and not with that neighbor, many experts claim that even without shelling, even without attacks on energy facilities, the winter will be difficult and there will not be enough electricity, and this is even on the condition that the temperature will not be super low, but there will be some kind of average winter and... a minus or near zero, do you agree with this statement, because well now we have all been sitting with the light for three calm days, as we said at the beginning of the conversation, and

there is a feeling that, well, everything is fine, we have calmed down, calmed down, what is there to be afraid of in winter, well, the first factor, which we will immediately reject, because it is not predicted, as mr. mykola veresen said in one of the broadcasts, his name is putin and... i will not repeat this bad word again to your broadcasts, the second factor is, of course, there will be a natural shortage of electrical energy, this is due to the fact that green our generation will be at a minimum of electricity production, i.e. somewhere at the level of 20% of its efficiency, so we will not have so much solar energy, thirdly, we understand that the basis of the energy system now consists of nuclear generation and because we have lost almost all the heat. generation, it is in certain stages of repair there, but not everywhere, and almost all hydro generation is in the repair stage, so there will be a shortage of electric energy,

we supply everything possible from european countries, that is, it is at the level of 1.2 gigawatt hours in peak hours of electrical energy, more, unfortunately, the europeans will technically not be able to produce for us, this is all due to the fact that the countries that generate the most electrical energy are, first of all, france. and germany do not have borders with us, so the transit goes through the networks of our other neighboring countries, so they are doing everything technically possible, and we will not get more electricity, let's not forget that even the zaporizhia nuclear power plant is temporarily occupied, it is 6 megawatt hours of generation, and nine, sorry gigawatts and 9 gigawatts of capacity, we have irrevocably lost, so this deficit will be there again... we have less than a minute left, even half a minute, but tell me, this is the idea of ​​the deputy minister of energy, the charioteer , to move the overhead power lines underground,

for how long will the work last? this should be done and how much does it cost, or is it possible? mr. kolisnyk, i respect him enough as a specialist, but the point here is that this is a long-term project for tens of years, it is quite expensive, because... just to transfer everything in the cable line from the wires, to switch to a system of cable lines for thousands of kilometers across the country, it is difficult enough, expensive enough, and it will take a long time, so it is not right now, it must be done, but in the long run it will not save this winter, thank you mr. stanislav, stanislav ignativ, chairman of the council of the ukrainian association of renewable energy and an energy expert was with us, we inform you that 10 and 110 hryvnias remain to collect half of the amount for drones. it is necessary, we hope that in a few more minutes these funds will arrive. with this , we say goodbye, take care of yourself, peaceful and we wish you a safe day, and in a few minutes the news will be on

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