you also lose what you had, i wish this to those who handed over the ballistic missiles that will be directed against ukraine. thank you for being with us until tomorrow, well, literally in a few minutes the verdict program with serhiy rudenko, stay with us and watch espresso. good evening, we are from ukraine. we are servicemen of the griga separate unit, named after volodymyr griga, of the unmanned aviation complexes of the 76th separate battalion of the 102nd separate brigade. in the zaporozhye direction , combat clashes occur daily due to constant assaults the enemy this is not a vyminaypil direction, which our battalion has been defending for almost two years. right now we need three times as many modifiers and fire damage from the sky. therefore, we are appealing to everyone who cares about fundraising. for 20 dj mavic

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peace plan to end russia's war against ukraine at the next global summit. is there a chance for olaf scholz to go down in history as the chancellor of peace? strategic communications instead of information policy. with the appointment of a new head of the ministry culture also received new functions. will the professional diplomat mykola be able to. chytsky to change the image of ukraine abroad. glory to ukraine. this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy ordenko. i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. in the next two hours, we will talk about the difficult situation surrounding the supply of iranian ballistic missiles to russia, as our western partners are beginning to implement. against iran and

at the end of the week a visit to ukraine by the secretary of state of the united states of america, anthony blinken, is expected. what will be talked about the secretary of state with ukrainian officials and whether this will lead to the fact that our western partners will give permission for the use of western weapons for strikes on the territory of the russian federation. we will talk about all this in the next two hours. oleksiy goncharenko, mykhailo samus, volodymyr tsibulko, as well as people's deputies of ukraine will be on our broadcast today , we will have a whole parliamentary studio starting at 21:15, they are yuliya kovaliv, iryna gerashchenko and elizaveta yasko, there are many topics for discussions and discussions , so tune in, dear tv viewers, the evening will be interesting and informative. however, before

starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch a video of how ukrainian drones attacked moscow, on the night of september 10, vnukov and damadedov airports were closed, in addition, drones attacked the airfield in zhukovsky, the shaykovka airfield in the kaluga region and the airfield hollino in the kursk region, the ministry of defense of the russian federation says that more than 140 ukrainian drones attacked the russian federation that night. let's see how it all turned out.

glory to the armed forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, throughout our broadcast we are conducting a survey, we are asking you today about this, do you think it is real. cessation of hostilities already this fall, yes, no, please vote on youtube with the appropriate buttons, if you have a separate opinion, vote, write it, or rather, under this video on youtube, if you are sitting in front of the tv and watch us in tv broadcasts, pick up your smartphone or

phone and call 0800 211 381, if you think that this fall , hostilities in ukraine may stop. if not, then 0800-211-382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. i would like to introduce today's first guest, oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine, president of the parye committee on migration and refugees. mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you. let's start our conversation with a situation that literally unfolds. on ours eyes, this is the supply of iranian ballistic missiles to russia, the reaction of the united states of america great britain, great britain has already announced sanctions against iran due to the transfer of missiles to russia. anthony blinken confirmed

the information that russia did receive ballistic missiles from iran. let's hear what the secretary of state of the united states of america had to say. warned tehran publicly, we warned tehran privately, that this step would be a dangerous escalation. dozens of russian servicemen have been trained in iran to use it the f-360 ballistic missile system, which has a maximum range of 75 miles. russia has now received deliveries of these ballistic missiles and has probably been using them against the ukrainians for several weeks. mr. oleksiy, immediately after this information was made public, it became known that biden is going to discuss with the prime minister of great britain, keir starmer, on friday, september 13, the permission for ukraine to use long-range weapons on the territory of the russian federation, and state

secretary antony blinken and the head of the british foreign ministry david lemmy will visit kyiv this week, and he announced this at a joint press conference with blin in lemmy today. in london, does this mean, mr. oleksiy, that iran and russia in the current situation have crossed the red lines drawn by the united states of america and great britain? i congratulate you, well , apparently, our western partners will not be able to ignore this story, and they will have to impose not only some sanctions against iran, iran is already under sanctions, but also new sanctions against russia, they too. could something is changed, but to respond with force, and the best response will be to provide ukraine with appropriate weapons and permits to use them. there were talks about the fact that at least the permission to use american and british weapons and missiles on russian territory and on

russian military facilities will be extended. well, let's really hope that this will finally happen and let's really hope that it will prompt them to provide ukraine with more weapons, but in principle the signal is obvious. this axis of chaos, iran, north korea, russia, their allies, the houthis, hezbollah, hamas, all the others, they are joining forces, while the civilized world seems to have united its efforts, but all the time, you know, somehow it does not press, it is afraid of these so-called escalations , draws some red lines for himself, which he is afraid to cross, and... there is a big problem, but i would like to say two more words here and about ukraine: we also need to react and we also need to answer, and in general, the best answer would be to strike iran, but how, in what way, is another story, but you and i know one secret: unfortunately, the ukrainians know him

better than anyone, they respect him only a lot in the world, and the fact that iran allows itself to help russia kill us, it has to pay for... the price, this is the only thing that could stop them . eh, does ukraine now have such opportunities to strike at iran. well, that should not be asked of me, but of the general staff of ukraine. i think that there are such opportunities if you wish, you don't need to look at the world map here, yes, it is far from ukraine to iran, but there are other ways to make it felt, do you remember the story about the wagner detachment that was destroyed there in mali, which is also very far from ukraine, but it did not happen without the help of ukrainians, judging by everything, that is why there is an opportunity. absolutely get both iran and ukraine, and ukraine has a full and absolute right to this, after everything that

is happening, we already have such a right for a long time, after the shakes they gave to russia, now iran has missiles with a longer range, and well, this is real it is dangerous for us, what is dangerous there, this iranian-russian cooperation, it definitely affects a certain number of ukrainians, no matter how painful it is to say it, it is simply a fact. and and we have both the right and the duty to respond to this, but so far the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine has informed that it summoned the temporary charge d'affaires of iran in ukraine and expressed deep concern to him in connection with the report on the possible supply of ballistic missiles to russia, i will quote the message of the ministry of foreign affairs . the relevant comment of the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine dated september 7 was handed over to the iranian diplomat and a stern warning was given that confirmation of the fact of delivery. iran-ballistic weapons to the aggressor state will have devastating and irreparable consequences for

ukrainian-iranian bilateral relations. mr. oleksiy, what kind of ukrainian-iranian bilateral relations can there be under the condition that iran has been supplying shaheds to russia for a long time, and why do these relations exist at all? i completely agree with you, once i submitted a decision to the verkhovna rada on the severance of diplomatic relations with iran, and on... recognition of this corps of these guardians of the islamic revolution, the terrorist organization that they definitely are, well, you cited the comment of the ministry of foreign affairs, i i agree with you here, the only thing that surprises me is if they are someone are calling, who else can come, you us, by the way, the iranian embassy is located 100 m from the office of the president of ukraine, right there on kruglouniversitetskyi street, so the fact that someone else is sitting in this building is already strange in itself, and this like that... we have an endless history with belarus, which we cannot do, i don't know that they

fly and kill us from there, and attacked us from there, and we still cannot make the right decisions regarding relation to the corresponding puppet regime established there russia, and the same thing is happening in our country with iran, we would have no one to call, because you understand all these words perfectly, they have absolutely no meaning and are of no interest to anyone, iran has absolutely made its choice. and and he will continue, and the only thing is just a forceful reaction to the world, it can stop them, everything else, all, all these words, they are worth absolutely nothing. against this background, president zelenskyy is going to present the plan for the victory of ukraine in washington, and it is not just about the presentation in front of president biden, he said that he would be in front of and the two candidates for the presidency of the united states of america , camila harris and donald trump, but

the spanish news agency efe writes that according to their data, since we did not have a widely presented plan for the victory of zelensky, so forgive me, i will read the spanish news agency, they they say that zelenskyi says that he... can be stopped in only two ways: the first is international pressure and the second is an operation of the armed forces of ukraine on the territory of the kurdish region, and as a result of this, and through international pressure and this operation, it is possible to achieve an end to the war already in the fall of this year, if it is accurate what the spaniards wrote, how do you assess such prospects, is it possible? no, i don’t believe it, from the word at all, it

reminds me a little of coffee on the yalta embankment in two or three weeks, what was there in the summer of last year, and the war will be over in two or three weeks, and something like that, ah , well, well, this, this is not serious, well, obviously, no war this fall, i really wish it wouldn't end this fall, the day before yesterday, but it won't end this fall, it's... i think it's obvious, so i don't really understand what this is about, what the secret plan might be, you know , since something happened there, eh, that's why... i have huge doubts about what it sounds like, it's more like some kind of news tapes, informational excuses, it absolutely does not mean, it's very good that president zelensky is flying to the usa, very good that he will be in the un assembly, very good that he will be to meet with biden and the candidates, if he has these meetings, well , sharis will definitely be there, if there is a meeting with trump, that’s also good, trump has a high chance of becoming the president of the united states, that’s all good, that’s all

important, but to believe that there there is some magical plan of victory, which they will meet now. they wink at each other and that's all, well, unfortunately, we are already very adults, i would like to live with these hopes, but, unfortunately, i believe in it very, very little, and i would like to say, if i may say two words, look, we want the world to react to iran, we have it victory plan, we want international pressure on russia, and today we all heard the news that the hungarian company will continue pumping, now the hungarian company will pump russian oil. ukrainian territory through the ukrainian pipeline, which means to hungary itself, it is obvious that russia needs it, because for them it is 6 billion dollars a year, just so that there is something to pay, including to iran, because iran does not give them these missiles, and in general keep killing us, orban needs it, because he needs cheap russian oil, i have a simple question, but why, why does ukraine need this, and why,

if, well, for example, orban can be found there, what might be some conditions so that orban does not block our movement in the eu, and something else, then... i have another question, and why do we not impose a duty, why at the same time ukraine will not earn a single cent more from the fact that russian oil continues to flow through our territory, and we do not even raise these duties on gas, oil, or anything, and the last question, what is this signal to the world, that is, we are shouting to the whole world: stop, stop cooperation with russia, don't buy its oil, don't transport its oil products, and we are doing it ourselves at this moment, well, i think it's obvious that... it won't work like that, but mr. oleksiy, it's obvious that putin is trying to avoid eu sanctions and they set up this hungarian-slovak company, as if in order for ukraine to have fewer opportunities to apply sanctions, well, we are going to

the european union, here a european company supplies russian oil and... ukraine seems to be unable to apply sanctions in relation to this campaign under the given conditions ? no, he, you are absolutely right, only sanctions, rather he is afraid of european sanctions, because not everyone in europe likes orban, to put it mildly, but of course, there are no sanctions for the campaign of the european union, well, it is unlikely that they will be imposed, but ukraine, listen, we don't need impose sanctions, this pipe is going through our territory, we can stop it in one second, it won't happen. or no sanctions, telling no stories. again, i'm not simplifying life, life isn't black and white, i 'm okay with that, i'm saying yes, maybe it's part of some kind of package deal with orban, orban, whom, unfortunately, we cannot avoid, like hungary, the member states of the european union and nato, and so on, and so on, but well, then, why, i repeat my question, why

are we making money from this russia, why do we let hungary earn from this, and why actually... we, who really need these funds, for whom every day our government submits some resolutions to the verkhovna rada, draft laws, increase taxes, fines, excise duties, everything that is possible to get rid of the ukrainians, but we don't want to get rid of the russian oil business, here i am, here i am already, well, there is no answer to this, you know, if you can find any answers, although they are also, in my opinion, weak, but to the question that i am asking now, why do we not increase customs duties for pumping this, and this, i, i, i don't know the answer, in principle, to him. one more question, quite short, mr. oleksiyu, about the peace initiatives of olaf scholz, because the italian newspaper la republicaa wrote about the fact that, they say, scholz has a peace plan, he wants to be the chancellor of peace, and one wanted to be president of peace, and this one wants to become chancellor

of peace, and they say that progress can be achieved at the expense of the territories that are in ukraine. territorial concessions to achieve this peace, the chancellor of germany is saying publicly, it is not public information that was vla republic, but chancellor scholz says that the time has come for peace talks with russia, and that country should take part in the global peace summit that will be in a few months, and he publicly stated this in an interview with the cdf, let's hear what scholz said. in my opinion. now is the time when it should be discussed and how we will move from this war situation to peace faster than it seems realistic now. it is important that... we had another peace conference, and president zelensky and i agree that russia should be represented at it. mr.

oleksiy, do our western partners still hope that putin can be defeated diplomatically and not militarily? this, look, well, first of all, i already know how many of these peace plans, you see, zelensky has a strategy for victory, sholts has some kind of peace plan, that’s all, well, i’m all for it skeptically see the first peace summit was three months ago, i have a question, what were its results? well, three months have already passed, you know, not in hot pursuit, but because, well, three months have passed, what, what, what has changed, where, where, where has peace approached, where has russia lost some allies, where has russia gone there for some, well, i don’t know, well, something, well , some kind of result, which is there, it is not, now they tell us, but we will conduct the second one, what will be the result of the second one, preparation for the third one, well, not me again, i... they have it there to talk is always good, but russia only understands one language, the language of power, and the best peace plan from scholz would be to give ukraine

taurus, missiles, give tanks, give howitzers to hit them, they only understand that, they don't understand any talk , they proved it to everyone, well, as for giving the territories, scholz says there, well, well, well, if he wants, he can give some german territories, russia recently occupied all of the eastern part. germany, well, if there is such a desire in the german government to give some territories, well, they can manage only our own territory, with all due respect to our ally, which is germany, and thank you for their help, but there must be a red line here, well, we in ukraine can discuss something, but if someone will discuss abroad, what territories do we have to whom to give, well, for me, it is unacceptable in principle, well, that is, it cannot be... in general , even talk about it. thank you, mr. oleksiy, for the conversation. it was oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine. next, we

move according to our plan and according to our own graphics, dear friends, but before that i will remind you that we are working live on the espresso tv channel and we are conducting a survey, today we are asking you about whether you think the cessation of hostilities this fall is realistic, yes, no. please vote on youtube with the appropriate buttons, if you have a personal opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video. if you are watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on 0800 211 381 if you think a ceasefire is realistic this autumn and no, 0800 211 382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will summarize it. voting, next we have mykhailo samus on the air, military expert, deputy director of the army, conversion and disarmament research center, director of the new geopolitics research network,

mr. mykhailo, i congratulate you and thank you for joining the broadcast. greetings, glad to see you. each other mr. mykhailo, today great britain has already announced that it is imposing sanctions against iran, and not only great britain, but also a number of countries. suspend air connections with iran, france, germany, referring to the fact that iran supplies ballistic missiles to the russian federation. anthony blinken publicly also confirmed this information that these missiles are actually located on the territory of the russian federation. the chief editor of defense express, oleg katkov, said on the espresso broadcast that... he probably handed russia about 200 missiles with a range of more than 80 km. let's hear what he said. when there was this last interaction

regarding the transfer of iranian missiles, it was about such parameters as 200 units. but again, these missiles are not the same missiles with a range of 300 km that are currently on the screen, they are smaller, that is, for example, the armanovo white has a range of 800 km, it is. in fact, it is more similar to the jemelers rocket in terms of its, let's say , capabilities. mr. mykhailo, how does iran's supply of ballistic missiles to the russian federation change the nature of the russian-ukrainian war and does it change the nature of the russian-ukrainian war? well, actually, here i would call more geopolitical consequences, since the first deliveries of iranian missiles are sample. this is a test of the international reaction, how will the united states, the european union, great britain, the un, other organizations,

sanctions on tyran react. this does not mean anything unequivocally, and therefore, after the delivery of the fatih 360, which really has a range of 80, 100-120 km there, the delivery of other missiles may follow, which will already have a more operational value, that is, these missiles are still of more tactical operational value, and they will affect the combat zone and the border near-front zone, where russia will be able to strike ukrainian territory, by ukrainian troops. on critical infrastructure facilities and so on, but these will be limited strikes, limited effect, if they continue to transmit, the world community will not be able to influence iran and russia in any way, then this will mean that russia will receive, in addition to the northern korean ballistic missiles, with which they hit ukrainian territory, and in terms of range, they are approximately equal to iskander in terms of power, and iran

can also significantly strengthen... the missile potential of russia, and in conditions when russian resources cannot allow mass release of missiles, that is, they cannot build up to the volume, when really they could strike massively with ballistic missiles, such a development of events, it means that the world community is again failing the exam to control the situation, well, this is the same as putin went to mongolia and demonstrated that, in fact , the international criminal court cannot do anything, the un cannot do anything, and international law is now effectively destroyed, the same is true with iran and russia , who are now demonstrating that no regimes have restrictions with regard to the supply of missile technologies, in principle, there are hints of nuclear technologies, which i am sure are being transferred to iran and north korea, now, by the way, iran has been reported many times, is on the verge of receiving it.

nuclear weapons, i do not rule out that iran already has these nuclear weapons, and such an increase in military-technical cooperation between russia and iran can have truly global consequences, i am not talking about the consequences for ukraine, which will be forced to feel all these shortcomings, let's say, of the international system. is it possible, mr. mykhailo, that this situation will encourage our western partners to make a decision that yes... they are waiting in ukraine for a decision to allow strikes by western weapons on the territory of the russian federation? we would like to believe, we know that it all depends on the opinion or position of the united states, in the united states actually on one person, this is president biden, who is actually already at the final stage of his political career, but he, again , like the entire biden administration, are effectively

hostages now. election campaign kamal and haris, who obviously, i mean, not even kamala herself, but her political technologists, obviously , would like to push the ukrainian topic so far away, to push it to the point that it would not be mentioned anywhere at all, because for some reason they think that the president , the presidential candidate trump can somehow use against just kamala and lower her rating, so i think the only chance... actually remains, it is emotionally of the united states, then, of course, everyone else will follow, that is, there are no such outspoken opponents now , who would not allow to beat their own weapons on russian territory, except for the united states, which sets the tone here, and in fact, the united states does not dare to allow this by our other allies. it is possible that this question will be...