forces to continue the offensive on the eastern front with the same persistence. the moment has come: germany may offer its own peace plan to end russia's war against ukraine at the next global summit. is there a chance for olaf scholz to go down in history as the chancellor of peace. strategic communications instead of information policy. with the appointment of a new head, the ministry of culture received new functions. will professional diplomat mykola tuchytskyi be able to change the image of ukraine abroad . glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. my name is serhii ordenko. i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours we will talk about them.

the situation surrounding the supply of iranian ballistic missiles to russia, because our western partners are starting to introduce sanctions against iran, and at the end of the week the visit of the secretary of state of the united states of america, anthony blinken, to ukraine is expected. what will the secretary of state talk about with ukrainian officials and will this lead to the fact that our... partners will give permission for the use of western weapons for strikes on the territory of the russian federation. we will talk about all this in the next two hours. oleksiy goncharenko, mykhailo samus, volodymyr tsibulko, as well as people's deputies of ukraine will be on our air today. we will have a whole parliamentary studio starting at 9:15 p.m.: yuliya kovaliv, iryna gerashchenko and elizaveta. there

are many topics for discussions and discussions, so tune in, dear tv viewers, it will be an interesting and informative evening. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest watch a video of how ukrainian drones attacked moscow, on the night of september 10, vnukov and damodedov airports were closed, in addition, drones attacked the airfield in zhukovsky, the airfield... shaykovka in the kaluga region and the hollino airfield in the kursk region. the ministry of defense of the russian federation says that more than 140 ukrainian drones attacked the russian federation that night. let's see how it all turned out.

oh, glory to the armed forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, throughout everything we are conducting a survey on our airwaves, we are asking you today about the following: do you think that the cessation of hostilities already this fall is realistic? yes, no, please vote on youtube with the appropriate buttons, if you... you

have a separate opinion, vote, write it, or rather, under this video on youtube, if you are sitting in front of the tv and watch us on tv, take take your smartphone or phone and call 0800 211 381 if you think that hostilities in ukraine may stop this fall, if not, then 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free of charge, vote at the end of the program , we are... we are recording the results of this vote, i would like to introduce today's first guest, oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine, president of the parye committee on migration and refugees. mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you. let's start our conversation with the situation that is literally unfolding before our eyes, this is the supply of iranian ballistic missiles to russia, the reaction of the united states of america. great britain,

great britain has already announced sanctions against iran due to the transfer of missiles to russia. anthony blinken confirmed the information that russia did. received ballistic missiles from iran. let's hear what the secretary of state of the united states of america said. we warned tehran publicly. we warned tehran privately that this step would be a dangerous escalation. dozens of russian servicemen have been trained in iran to use the f-360 ballistic missile system, which has a maximum range of 75. now russia received deliveries of these ballistic missiles, has probably been using them against ukrainians for several weeks. mr. oleksiy, immediately after this information was made public, it became known that biden is going

to discuss with the prime minister of great britain, keir starmer, on friday, september 13, the permission for ukraine to use long-range weapons on the territory of the russian federation, and the secretary of state. blinken and the head of the british foreign ministry, david lammy, will visit kyiv this week, and lemmy announced this at a joint press conference with blinkin in london today. or does this mean, mr. oleksiy, that iran and russia in the current situation have crossed the red lines drawn by the united states of america and great britain. i congratulate you, but apparently our westerners have already ignored this story. will not succeed, and they will have to impose not only some sanctions against iran, iran is already under sanctions, but also new sanctions against russia, they too will not change anything, respond by force, and the best answer will be to provide ukraine with appropriate weapons and permits

to use it. there were conversations about what and how at least there will be an expanded permission to use american, british weapons, missiles on russian territory, on russian military facilities, well, let's go. very much hope that this will finally happen, and let's very much hope that it does push them to give more weapons to ukraine, but basically the signal is clear, this axis of chaos, iran, north korea, russia, their allies, the houthis, hezbollah, hamas , all others, they combine their efforts, while the civilized world seems to have combined its efforts, but all the time. you know, somehow not presses down, is afraid of these so-called escalations, draws some red lines for himself that he is afraid to cross, and of course this is a big problem, but i would like to say two more words here and about ukraine, we also need to react and we also need to respond, and in general

, the best answer would be to strike iran, and how, in what way, is another story, but you and i know one secret, unfortunately, the ukrainians know it better. above all , only the strong are respected in the world, and the fact that iran allows itself to help russia kill us, it has paying a price for it is the only thing that could stop them. does ukraine now have such opportunities to strike at iran? well, this should not be asked of me, but of the general staff of ukraine. i think that there are wishes for such possibilities. well, there's no need to look at the world map here, yes, it's far from ukraine to iran. but there are other ways to make it felt, do you remember the story about the wagner detachment destroyed there in mali, which is also very far from ukraine, but it happened, and not without the help of ukrainians, apparently

, that is why there is an opportunity to absolutely get both iran and ukraine have a full and absolute right to this, after everything that is happening, we... have had such a right for a long time after the rockets they gave to russia, the rockets in iran have more missiles with a longer range, and well, it is real it's dangerous for us, well, it's not that it's dangerous for us, this iranian-russian cooperation, it definitely hurts a certain number of ukrainians, no matter how painful it is to say it, it's just a fact and we have both the right and the duty to react to it, well and so far the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine has informed that it has called. temporary charge d'affaires of iran in ukraine and expressed deep concern to him in connection with the message about the possible supply of ballistic missiles to russia, i will quote the message of the ministry of foreign affairs. the relevant comment of the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine dated september 7 was handed over to the iranian diplomat and a stern

warning was expressed that confirmation of the fact of iran's supply of ballistic weapons to the state by the aggressor would have devastating and irreparable consequences for ukrainian-iranian bilateral relations. mr. oleksiy. what can be bilateral ukrainian-iranian relations under the condition when iran has long been supplying shaheds to russia, and why do these relations exist at all? i completely agree with you, i once submitted a decision to the verkhovna rada on the severing of diplomatic relations with iran and on the recognition of this body of these guardians of the islamic revolution, the terrorist organization that they definitely are. well, you mentioned the comment of the ministry of foreign affairs, i agree with you here, the only thing that surprises me is that if they call someone, someone else can come. in our country, by the way, the iranian embassy is located 100 meters from the office. the president of ukraine right there on kruglo-universitytskyi street, so the fact that someone is still sitting in this building is already

strange in itself, and it is like that endless story here in belarus, which we cannot in any way, i do not know what they are there, and they fly to us from there and kill us and attack us from there, and we still cannot make the right decisions regarding the relationship with the corresponding puppet regime established there by russia, and the same thing is happening in our country with iran. we wouldn't need anyone to summon at all, because you understand all these words very well, they have absolutely no meaning and are no longer interesting to anyone, iran has absolutely made its choice, and it will continue, and the only thing is just a forceful reaction of the world, it can stop them, everything else, all these words, they do not turn absolutely nothing, against this background president zelenskyy is going to present. in the tone of the plan for the victory of ukraine, and it is not only about the presentation to

president biden, he said that he will also present to the two candidates for the position of president of the united states of america, camille garis and donald trump, but the efe news agency, in spanish, writes that according to their data, since we did not have a presentation. but the broad plan of zelensky's victory, so forgive me, i will read the spanish news agency, they say that zelensky says that the war can be stopped only in two ways: the first is international pressure, and the second is an operation by the armed forces of ukraine on the territory kursk region, and as a result of this, and through international pressure and this operation, it is possible achieve an end to the war already. in the fall of this year, to be precise, what the spaniards wrote,

how do you assess such prospects, is it possible? no, i don’t believe it, from the word at all, it reminds me a little of coffee on the yalta embankment in two or three weeks, which was still there in the summer of last year, and the war will end in two or three weeks, something else, well, well, that , it's not serious, well, obviously. no war this autumn, i would very much like it to end not this autumn, but the day before yesterday, but it will not end this autumn, that seems to me to be obvious, that's why i don't really understand what it's about, what a secret plan could be, which, you know, once something happened there, well, that's why i have huge doubts about what it sounds like, it's more like some kind of news tapes, informational excuses, and that's absolutely. does not mean, it is very good that president zelenskyy is flying to the usa, it is very good that he will be in the un assembly, it is very good that he will

meet with biden and the candidates, if he has these meetings, well, i am sure he will, if there will be a meeting with trump - this is also good, trump has a high chance of becoming one the president of the united states, that's all good, that's all important, but to believe that there is some magical plan for victory, which now only they will meet, wink at each other and that 's it, well, unfortunately, we are too old, i would like live, hope. but, unfortunately, i believe in this very, very little, and i would like to say, if i may say two words, look, we want the world to react to iran, we have a plan for victory, we want international pressure on russia, and today we all heard the news that the hungarian company will continue pumping, now already a hungarian company will pump russian oil, ukrainian territory through a ukrainian pipeline, that means to hungary itself, it is obvious that russia needs this, because for them it is 6 billion dollars a year. just to have something to pay, including to iran, because iran does not give them these missiles, and in general to continue killing us,

orban needs it, because he needs cheap russian oil. i have a simple question, why, what does ukraine need it for? and why, if, well, for example, orban can be found there, what might be some conditions so that orban does not block our movement in the eu, and something else, then i have another question is why we will not impose a customs duty, why at the same time ukraine will not earn a single cent more from that. that russian oil continues to flow through our territory, and we do not even raise these duties on gas, oil, or anything, and the last question is what kind of signal is this to the world, that is, we are shouting to the whole world, stop, stop... cooperation with russia, do not buy its oil, do not transport its oil products, and we are doing it ourselves at this moment, well, i think it is obvious that it will not work like that, but mr. oleksiy, this it is obvious that putin is trying to avoid the sanctions of the european union and sets up this hungarian-slovak company so that

ukraine has less... ukraine, as if under these conditions, cannot apply sanctions against this company? no, he, you are absolutely right, only sanctions, rather he is afraid of european sanctions, because not everyone in europe likes orben, to put it mildly, but of course, that the company is legal in the european union no one there... well, it is unlikely that they will introduce, but ukraine, listen, we don't need to introduce sanctions, this pipe is going through our territory, we can stop it in one second, without introducing any sanctions, without telling any stories. again, i am not simplifying life, life is not black and white, i agree with that, i say that yes, maybe this is part of some package deal with orbán, orbán, which unfortunately we

cannot avoid, hungary, countries members of the european union and nato, and so on and so forth, but... but then why, i repeat my question, why we we let russia earn from this, why do we let hungary earn from this, and why exactly us, who really needs these funds, for whom every day our government submits some resolutions to the verkhovna rada, draft laws, to increase taxes, fines, excise duties, everything that you can find out about the ukrainians, but we don't want to find out about the russian oil business, but i'm here i'm already, well, there's no answer to this, you see, to the fact that you can find some answers, although they too, in my opinion , are weak, but on the question i ask now, why don't we increase the toll for pumping that, and that's me, i i don't know the answer in principle to it. one more question, short enough, mr. oleksiyu, about the peace initiatives of olaf scholz, because the italian newspaper la republicaa wrote about the fact that they say that

scholz has a peace plan, he wants to be the chancellor of peace, and... one wanted to be the president of peace, and this one wants to become the chancellor of peace, and they say, at the expense of the territories that are in ukraine, it is possible to achieve concessions, territorial concessions to achieve this peace. chancellor of germany is speaking publicly, it's not public information that the republic has been, but chancellor scholz says that the moment has come for peace talks with russia, and that country is to participate in the global peace summit that will be... in a few months, and about that he publicly stated in an interview with cdf. let's hear what scholz said. in my opinion, now is the time to discuss how we will move from this military situation to peace faster than it seems realistic now. it is important that we have another peace conference, and we

president zelensky, we agree that russia should be... represented on it, mr. oleksiy, do our western partners still hope that putin can be defeated diplomatically, not militarily? well, look, well, first of all, i already know how many peace plans there are, you see, zelensky has a strategy for victory, sholts has some kind of peace plan, this, well, i am skeptical about all this, look, the first peace summit was 3 months ago , i have a question, and what are his results, well, three months have already passed, well , you know, not because of hot ... roofs, but because, but well, three months have passed, what has changed, where, where, where peace has come, where maybe russia has lost some allies, where russia has gone to some, well, i don't know, well, something, well, some result, which is there, it is not, now we are told, but we will conduct the second one, what will be the result of the second one, preparation for the third one, well, i won't do it again, they have to say it there, it's

always good, but russia understands only one language, the language of power, and the best... another peace plan from sholtz would be to give ukraine taurus, missiles, tanks, howitzers, to beat them, that's all they understand, they don't understand any conversations, they proved it to everyone, well, what about giving territories, scholz says there, well, well, well, if he wants, he can give some german territories , russia recently occupied all of eastern germany, well, if there is such a desire in the german government to give some territories, well, they can dispose of some. territories with all due respect to our ally, which is germany , and thank you for their help, but there must be a red line here, well, we in ukraine can to discuss something, but if someone... someone will discuss abroad what territories to give to whom, well, for me, this is unacceptable in principle, well, that is, it cannot

even be talked about at all. thank you, mr. oleksiy, for the conversation, it was oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy of ukraine, we are moving forward according to our plan and according to our schedule, dear friends, but before that i would like to remind you that we... work live on the espresso tv channel and we are conducting a survey, today we are asking you about this, do you think? you a real cessation of hostilities already this fall, yes, no, please vote on youtube with the appropriate buttons, if you have a personal opinion, please leave it in the comments under this video. if you're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on 0800 211-381 if you think an end to hostilities is real today. and no: 0800-211-382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we have

mykhailo samus, a military expert, on the air. deputy director of the army research center conversion and disarmament, director of the new geopolitics research network. mr. mykhailo, i congratulate you and thank you for joining the broadcast. greetings, glad to see you. on loan, mr. mykhailo, today. already great britain has announced that it is introducing sanctions against iran, and not only great britain, but also a number of countries are suspending air traffic with iran, france, germany, referring to the fact that iran supplies ballistic missiles to the russian federation. anthony blinkin publicly also confirmed this information, which actually these... of the russian federation. the chief editor of defense express, oleg katkov , said on spresso that iran probably handed russia

about 200 missiles with a range of more than 80 km. let's hear what he said. when there was the last interaction regarding the transfer of iranian missiles, it was about such parameters as 200 units. but again, these rockets are not like that. missiles with a range of 300 km, which are currently on the screen, are smaller, that is, for example, armanovo bel has a range of 800 km, it is actually more similar to the jemelera missile in with their own, let's say, capabilities. mr. mykhailo, how does iran's supply of ballistic missiles to the russian federation change the nature of the russian-ukrainian war and does it change the nature of the russian-ukrainian war? well, in fact, here i would say more about the geopolitical consequences, since the first deliveries of iranian missiles are a test, it is a test of the international reaction, how

will the united states, the european union, great britain, the un, other organizations react, sanctions are nothing for iran means, it is clear, and therefore after deliveries of fatih 360, which really has a range of 80% there. 100-120 km may be followed by the delivery of other missiles, which will already have more operational significance, that is, these missiles are still of more tactical operational significance, and they will affect the combat zone and border front-line zones, where russia will be able to strike on ukrainian territory, on ukrainian troops, on critical infrastructure facilities and so on, but these will be limited strikes, limited effect, what will they convey... in the future, the world community will not be able to influence iran and russia, then this will mean that russia will receive, in addition to north korean missiles, ballistic missiles,

which they use to hit ukrainian territory, and in terms of range, they are approximately there, and in terms of power they are approximately there, iskander answers, and iran is the same can significantly strengthen russia's missile potential even in conditions when russian resources cannot allow the mass release of missiles, that is... they cannot build up to the volume when they could actually strike massively with ballistic missiles, such a development of events, it means that the world community is again failing the exam to control the situation, well, this is the same as when putin went to mongolia and demonstrated that in fact the international criminal court cannot do anything, the un cannot do anything, and international law has now actually been destroyed. the same and iran and russia are now demonstrating that no regimes have restrictions on the supply of missile technology, in

principle hints at nuclear ones as well. technologies that i'm sure are being transferred to iran and north korea, now, by the way, iran, many times already it was reported, is on the verge of obtaining nuclear weapons, i do not rule out that iran already has these nuclear weapons, and such an increase in military-technical cooperation between russia and iran can have truly global consequences, i am not talking about the consequences for ukraine, which will forced to feel all these shortcomings, let's say. yes, of the international system, mr. mykhailo, could this situation encourage our western partners to adopt a long-awaited decision in ukraine, a decision to allow strikes by western weapons on the territory of the russian federation? we would like to believe, we know that it all depends on the opinion or position of the united states, in the united states, in fact, on one person, this is president biden, who...

is actually already at the final stage of his political career, but he, again, like the entire biden administration, in fact , kamal and haris are now hostages of the election campaign, which obviously, i don't even mean kamal herself, but her political technologists, obviously would like to push the ukrainian topic away, push it into the profile state, to him, to generally this topic somewhere didn't mention it, because they somehow think that president...presidential candidate trump can somehow use it against kamala and lower her rating, so i think that the only chance actually remains is the emotional decision of president biden, this last decision is already strong , which may go against the political technologists of kamela harris, maybe it will theoretically cause some damage, although in reality

i do not understand how this decision can harm harris's rating, this decision can be made during a personal, maybe the last one during biden's presidency, the meeting between presidents zelensky and biden in the united states, which may take place during the un general assembly session, and here it can be so emotional, biden can at the expense of, for example, what zelensky will bring. relevant arguments, to allow ukraine to strike on russian territory, and if there is the permission of biden of the united states, then of course all others will follow, that is, there are no such outspoken opponents who would not allow to strike with their weapons on russian territory territory, except for the united states, which sets the tone here, and in fact, the united states does not dare to allow it by

our other allies. it is possible that this issue will be discussed already at the end of this week in kyiv, because the secretary of state of the united states of america, anthony blinken, and the head of the british foreign ministry, david lammy, are going to kyiv. the purpose of the visit has not yet been announced, but it will obviously be about expanding the capabilities of the armed forces of ukraine in the event of strikes on the territory of the russian federation. let's wait and see what the solutions will be. and what will be the statements, at that time, we see how the russians are trying to put pressure on donetsk region, mr. mykhailo, and we see how we are trying to put pressure on the russians in the kurdish direction, how would you characterize the situation in these two directions now, and can we in this situation , to use as an argument... the kurdish

operation of the armed forces of ukraine, or can it help us in putting pressure on moscow, er, regarding the future negotiation process between ukraine and russia? well, theoretically yes, in fact, really, if we say that ukraine controls a certain russian territory, russia occupied a certain ukrainian territory, that is , theoretically it could be talked about, but i do not think that it is possible, in principle, under... the current leadership of the kremlin, that is, i do not think that putin is ready for such shameful for him, negotiations, i.e. to imagine that putin will agree to trade russian land publicly, well, what a great emperor he is, i.e. he is talking about the fact that ukraine has no right to exist in general and there are some negotiations regarding the kurdish region, of course, i think that putin will not go for it, and now the situation in principle on the entire front

is such that... russia is trying to break ukraine.