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half of the ministries received new heads. will the changes in the state management system not be limited to the renaming of two ministries. far-reaching justice for ukraine. in two weeks, zelensky plans to meet with biden on the sidelines of the un general assembly in new york. will it be possible to convince? america to remove restrictions on the west. defender of the russian world. lavrov cynically denies russia's territorial encroachments and talks about the protection of human rights. why is the kremlin looking for mediators for negotiations with ukraine among the arab countries. we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live there, please subscribe to our pages. and also

take part in our survey. today we are asking you about whether you consider the cessation of hostilities in ukraine to be real this fall, yes, no, please vote with the appropriate buttons on youtube, if you have an opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video. if you're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on 0800 211 381 if you think a real ceasefire should happen this autumn, no 0.800. 211 382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. i would like to introduce our guests today, this is iryna gerashchenko, people's deputy of ukraine, member of the parliamentary committee on foreign policy and interparliamentary cooperation. mrs. irina, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening espresso viewers, thank you for the invitation. people's deputy of ukraine from

the voice, first deputy of the parliamentary committee on transport and infrastructure, mrs. yulia, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. good evening, thank you for the invitation. and elizaveta yasko, people's deputy of ukraine from the servant of the people, member of the parliamentary committee on of foreign policy and interparliamentary cooperation, ms. elizaveta, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, thank you. well, since ladies, we... today we are asking our viewers and tv viewers what they think, whether it is real to stop hostilities in ukraine already this fall, i will ask you too, but i will explain why we actually formulated this question, because the spanish news agency efe reported that , according to the publication, in his plans for victory, zelensky relies on international pressure on russia and on... the situation in

kurshchyna and this, they say, will lead to the fact that the war may stop, or hostilities in ukraine will cease already in the fall. year, as far as this is the likely scenario, ms. irina, i do not see any, any preconditions from russia, namely russia and putin started this war 10 years ago, i do not see any grounds, preconditions, there are any signals that russia is ready to change, unfortunately, its aggressive policy and position, at the same time, today we met with the foreign affairs committee. with the newly elected minister of foreign affairs, mr. sybiga, asked that the ukrainian deputies hear the peace scenario that the authorities have, and mr. sybiga just said that forcing russia to peace through

international pressure is part of this scenario. thank you, mrs. yulia, do you understand what kind of victory plan zelenskyi has, and why... why do the spanish write about this plan and draw some conclusions and say about the possibility of ending hostilities, despite the fact that we in ukraine know about the plan of peace, which was presented by president zelenskyi's team, but the plan of victory it is only in the announcement of volodymyr zelenskyi, but it is not deciphered to the end. well, i think that... the problem we have is that every country has its own plan for peace, and unfortunately that plan itself is being eroded, and we've already heard about orbán's plans, we've already heard about plans, i don't know , fizo, and that many other countries as well, unfortunately we

need to have first of all, as you rightly said, our victory plan, does it refer to the fact that hostilities will end in 25% of the year, sorry, no, i am in i don't believe it, and we see how putin is aggressively buying weapons, how he creates alliances with countries like iran, north korea, china, and many others who have decided to join his, aggressive policy, and unfortunately, they supply him with weapons, they supply him with technology, so.. . to see that it will stop immediately, unfortunately, it will not work, i think that it will be delayed, but the fact that it is necessary to force him, at least before he considers such an idea, but for sure he

will not sit down at the negotiating table , because one individual country will ask there, it has big partners such as india, china. which really have something to talk about with him and what, let's say, to ask. thank you, ms. yulia, ms. elizaveta, is the cessation of hostilities in ukraine real this fall? you know, i 'm very careful with any kind of predictions where we put specific dates and things like that, so because we've already heard so many different about... predictions from so many people, experts and even those who are in positions in our country, and i think it's very dangerous, because we as a society are constantly expecting that tomorrow will be the day when it all ends, but i hope

that because of the difficult things that we go through, we get rid of the illusion, we understand that tomorrow it will not end, and these are very difficult processes for... in order for us to really have a peaceful tomorrow, we have to do our best every day, so that it has come, but it will not come tomorrow, but we hope that , after all, there is an interval of some kind of future that can be grasped, we are getting closer, together with international pressure on russia, to the moment when russia can sit down at the table. and the conversation will be together with the international position consolidated, will be very difficult, but we we will achieve some results that will be in the interests of ukraine. is putin ready

for this now, of course not, but we have to work as much as possible, at least the conversations we are having now, and the fact that it has begun to appear in the international media, that various leaders have begun to speak. uh, i think it's good for ukraine, but we have to do everything so that our ukrainian position suddenly, uh, someone doesn't forget about it, so we have to hold as much as possible, consultations, meetings, the second peace summit, and not only that, we need to do it very powerfully. i will remind ours viewers that volodymyr zelenskyi has already announced his upcoming meeting with joseph biden on the sidelines of the un general assembly, and not only with biden, as i understand it, but possibly also with the candidates for the presidency of the united states of america, kamala harris and donald trump, confirmation. not yet, but this victory plan, which zelensky will take to washington at the end of september,

will obviously be adjusted, and it seems to me that the events that are unfolding right before our eyes, and at this moment, when and great britain and the united states of america are talking about the threat from iran, which is already supplying ballistic missiles to the russian federation, they can change the plan for victory from... to the world, what iran has done is already a challenge, when ballistic missiles, albeit with a short range, are still there 80 km, but this is only the beginning and it is obviously an attempt by tehran to play and show in front of the united states of great britain that they are ready to seriously help russia in the war with ukraine and antony. blinken says that there is confirmed information that these ballistic missiles, which were in iran, were already on

the territory of the russian federation, let's listen to what the secretary of state of the united states of america, anthony blinken, said. we warned tehran publicly. we warned tehran privately that this step would be a dangerous escalation. dozens of russian servicemen were trained in iran on the use of ballistic missiles. f-360, which has a maximum range 75 miles. russia has now received deliveries of these ballistic missiles and has probably been using them against the ukrainians for several weeks. along with this information , there was a report that on friday, biden will discuss with the prime minister of great britain, keir starmer, the permission for ukraine to use long-range weapons on the territory of the russian federation, blinkin announced this, and it

also became known that blinkin and the head of the british foreign ministry, david lammy, will visit kyiv already this week. ms. irene, does this mean that the situation with the supply of iranian ballistic missiles to ukraine pushes both the united states of america and great britain to a decision, a decision to give the ukrainians the opportunity to strike on the territory of the russian federation. because this iranian ballistic missile program, that was obviously one of the red lines for our western partners? ah, you know, the world, unfortunately, including primarily the united states, and my colleagues and i can attest to this from our many discussions with very different american audiences, unfortunately, other the countries of the european union couldn't even there, you know, draw a scenario of a... victory of ukraine due to the defeat of russia, but they would like some such ephemeral victory

of ukraine, but somehow so that russia does not lose. unfortunately, the world and the united states are afraid of the victory of russia, they are afraid of the chaos that can be in this nuclear state , the collapse of russia and so on, and this fear is such and such a scenario, and what will happen next, it seems to me, very often determines the future the actions of our partners and... and that's why, you know, elizaveta and yulia are in different situations factions, and we often have very different positions on many issues, but not on the issue of protecting the territorial integrity and sovereignty of ukraine. it seems to me that we are working in the same team, and a lot of people have been raising the question during the last time, at many meetings, that the course of the war can really be changed only by the destruction of legitimate military targets on the territory of the russian federation. these legitimate military objectives include as well as airports from which planes with missiles and bombs take off, as well as military factories,

all this military industry, and it seems to me that now the world it should become a shame in the sense that, in front of their eyes, these two years, while ukraine fought so hard, intensified its evil, because we see that north korea allowed today, even there on russian territory, to create factories where these shahedis are already gathering , further iran, despite all sanctions policies, is already producing these ballistic missiles, which it is handing over to russia without hiding, and you know, a 100 km range is a terrible story. because now kharkiv, sumy, is in a huge danger zone, and my heart breaks when you are there, i visit sumy and kharkiv every month, and you see the scale of the destruction and destruction of these cities, and you realize the level of danger for them now, and actually our position should be the only one here, i think that the world should realize on the threshold of what a terrible crisis it stands, taking into account

the strengthening of this axis of evil and the fact that time is actually on russia's side, because... russia has put the ukrainian economy, our humanitarian resource, our military resource at risk of exhaustion, and unfortunately, as a person who is at the front every month, i can testify that, on unfortunately, the russian federation in recent months, including when we had a pause in arms deliveries from the united states, moscow not only increased the number of its missiles, drones, unfortunately, it modernized its... topic of drones, drones, and this must also be taken into account by the civilized world, which essentially gives the opportunity for this terrorist country to strengthen its military industry today. and lastly, you know, in all the meetings, we don't know what kind of signals our american and british counterparts will actually come with, but somehow it seems to me that it might not only be about the decisions you're talking about, but in

first of all, there will be another signal, which we also hear at all meetings, that we should strengthen... our own military industry, that we should, you know, not invest now in the marathon, in roads in the combat zone, in some crazy salaries and bonuses for supervisory boards, and we should invest now in our own developments so that ukrainian missiles hit legitimate military targets, but i think that ukraine will also hear such a signal, and i completely agree with him, we have today a serious strengthen our military industry. thank you, ms. irina, ms. elizaveta, you, who are waiting for the arrival of two ministers, heads of the foreign affairs departments of the united states of america and great britain, does this mean that our partners are already inclined to give permission to ukraine to strike with their weapons on the territory of the russian federation, since the axis of

evil is expanding its capabilities, it is absolutely obvious, and... it is absolutely obvious that western countries should react to the fact that iran is already openly participating in this war, and accordingly, i would like to hear from you why ukraine still maintains diplomatic relations with iran, by the way, their office there is not far from the president's office, if i'm not mistaken, on the university campus, and they have long been fellow students of the war in ukraine. russia against ukraine? i'll start with your question about what i expect, i think that we, we all expect from all of our partners, especially those that have had a change of government because there's been an election, like

in the u.k., and for me it is important that eh... this visit confirmed all the need for our strategic partnership, military and not only, so that it was not in words, in action britain was one of the most active at the beginning of the full-scale aggression, which helped ukraine a lot, and we know what is happening in the country, there are many different processes inside. there is polarization in several european countries, including britain, and it is important for us that ukraine is not played as a topic of internal political struggle only, we need to receive very clear help, i really do, i expect

that this visit should bring us new agreements in our military cooperation. fighting, including what concerns weapons that can be used to fight on the territory of russia. i want to tell you something quite interesting, i 'm currently on a business trip to the committees in paris, it's a political monitoring committee, and yesterday we discussed the issue of the russian opposition, and what are the views of... the russian opposition, and how are the different views generally perceived regarding the future of russia , conditional collective action. so here it is. for us, ukrainians, it is important that russia be decolonized and that russia be in a completely different form. we believe that and do everything in

our resolutions in order to provide more support to the various ethnic peoples of russia who want to get freedom, but not all countries like it, such approaches, and if we talk about ee... representatives of the so-called russian opposition, and we know from you, that they are very different, their statements are not always pro-ukrainian, then, for example, kasparov, a harrier, who openly says that russia should disintegrate, then at the highest level, when he says this in different countries, he is told, no- no, no, yes you can't say, that's why the west is really afraid of what will happen to... russia and that's bad, and we need it, we have a historical mission in various areas, including in explaining to the west

what possible scenarios for the future of russia ? well, the question is, what are the possible scenarios for the future of russia? it seems to me that the answer is kind of obvious, and it lies on the surface, just will it be russia with putin, or will it? russia as it is, and so far no one has answers to these questions, russian foreign minister sergey lavrov during of the conference in saudi arabia cynically stated that russia allegedly protects human rights with its invasion of ukraine, and this is exactly what the peace talks should be about, which everyone is constantly talking about and that these should be negotiations at the end of the year in one of the countries , i understand, the middle east, let's listen to what lavrov says. if you discuss calls for a ceasefire and think about territorial exchanges, it is not serious. because the problem is not in the territories,

the problem is in the rights of the people, which have been trampled under the law and about which none of the initiatives that floating in the political space does not mention. this is when we will see a serious readiness to defend the same human rights that the west upholds on its flags on any issue, but not on this one. when we see such willingness, i am sure we will easily agree on a place and time of meeting. mrs. yulia, do the russians want any negotiations at all, because they are constantly changing their position, they say that if the armed forces of ukraine are not in kurshchyna, then maybe we will come to negotiations, and this is what shaigu says. putin speaks in general about some of these agreements in istanbul, which do not have any legal effect. forces, he constantly shakes these pieces of paper that someone from the servants of the people signed there, arkhamia or someone there signed, in their

understanding, peace with ukraine is still war, that is, i am almost behind the eagle, well, that is, no matter what they say , all the same it comes down to the fact that they want to fight, that they will fight and they will destroy ukraine, that's right. well, if you listen to what lavrov says, it is a set of, you know, such delusional people words if you try to find meaning in these words about human rights, you will never find it, that is, it is just a list of words that he repeats, since he is the main diplomat of the country, he already has to somehow fight back against the whole world, which says that you are aggressors, you must leave ukraine, you must leave ukraine and so on. what can he say we understand very well that neither lavrov, nor shoigu, nor all this slob, actually, decides anything, they have one master, putin, so what putin says, so

it will be, so let's talk about who will decide negotiations, i think, it will be exclusively putin, under what conditions, no one knows, since , as far as i understand, almost no one has access to him except five or six people, so let's see. there is a brics meeting going on at the same time, which includes china, india, and russia, and it is obvious that our ukrainian issue will also be discussed there between these countries, so i believe that it is possible to start building some peace plans or peace negotiations in in the event that the other party, russia, at least roughly intends to have peace with us, so if? that they do not want this at the moment and are constantly increasing their demands, then, unfortunately, we can count on some peace plans that will be accepted by russia, and

even if they are accepted, the measure will be taken. then you understand, the west no longer has any de facto influence on russia and de facto cannot even convey these peace plans to putin, so they are looking for mediators such as india, such as arab countries and other countries, because putin simply does not talks to neither european nor american leaders, so let's go let's see how it goes, i believe that giving ranged hits will change things. i think we will get this permission, and not because they feel sorry for the ukrainians or ukraine, not the heads that will be hit by ballistic missiles, no, they have another big problem, iran, iran is developing a nuclear program, iran in exchange for ballistic missiles received modern su-35 aircraft, iran received the entire air defense line for. with which

they can, let's say, cover themselves and fully participate in the war in the middle east, so the calculation and decision will be accepted not because iran transferred ballistic missiles to russia, but because what it received in exchange and what threat it will pose to the middle east and the whole world. thank you, ms. yulia, ms. iryna, over the last few. in the past few days we have heard about several peace plans, there are no more of them, olaf scholz seems to have his own peace plan, and it, as the italian newspaper larrica claims, is similar to what, or rather, lies at the basis of the fact that territorial tensions have frozen , he wants to be the chancellor of peace, he wants to keep his position, well, that's how the italians, the chinese write together

with brazil also prepared their peace plan, why do you think everyone is talking about peace and what this peace should be like, how these two sides, how they consider war, russia and ukraine to sit at the negotiating table so that they sign peace , and why is no one talking about the fact that it is necessary... to remove putin altogether from the management of russia or from all processes, why, why are they not talking about the defeat of russia by removing putin from power? it seems to me that, first of all, we already talked about this topic at the beginning of the program, the world is not yet ripe, yes for defeat of russia, no matter how cynical it sounds, but for some, russia remains a global partner, and note that countries

such as india... others have only increased, for example, economic cooperation with russia during these two tragic years for ukraine. please note that only the g7 countries, the european union, joined the sanctions regime, but the global south and some countries there, which are closer, africa there, yes, they did not join any sanctions, and on the contrary they continue, russia is very ... successfully for these two years, she spent there replacing imports , replacing and finding new markets, and in fact it is very important, if the civilized world wants to end the war, to think not only about the fate of putin, because i am of the position that putin is not the only one to blame for this war, russia, every russian who cemented this authoritarian regime, voted for putin, did not go out with protests, sends these

men and sons to war. and actually calmly treats the murder of ukrainians for nothing, they are responsible for all this, therefore, with the change of putin , nothing will change in russia itself, we also have to understand this very clearly there, and look, well, colleagues have already raised the issue of the so-called russian opposition, well, it is a nightmare what people are carrying, who are now being accepted by the leaders of the civilized world, because they got out of a russian prison, and in fact he is also such a velikor chauvinist. who would dream of simply coming to power in the kremlin with ukrainian hands, and therefore the question is not only in putin, in russia, this is the first of the world, you still need to come to the opinion that russia is for them, not for ukraine, but for them, for the world makes up problem and evil, that it strengthens this message of evil, that then the countries that are in this collaboration with it, the military industry, begin to grow and create new weapons that can tomorrow...