the situation will be clarified, it happened in smila. well, thank you for being with us, it was a big broadcast on telekananaliso, i will say goodbye to you until tomorrow at 18:10, take care of yourself and literally in a few minutes the verdict program by serhiy morudenko. good evening, we are from ukraine. we, military personnel of a separate unit. gryga named after volodymyr gryga, a platoon of unmanned aviation complexes of the 76th separate battalion of the 102nd separate brigade. in the zaporozhye direction , combat clashes occur daily due to constant assaults the enemy this does not bypass the holipil direction, which our battalion has been defending for almost two years. right now we need three times as many modifiers and fire damage from the sky. therefore, we are appealing to everyone who cares to collect funds for 20 dji mavic classic drones and 10 mavics. 3t. yes, the amount is not small, but the life

of your siblings and relatives is much more expensive. we really hope for your support, thumbs up and sharing. let's not let the occupier take a step further together, and let's speed up the victory together. glory to ukraine. hero of words. today in the program. verdict with serhii rudenko. iranian missiles are already in russia. american intelligence predicts that the occupiers will begin using middle eastern weapons against ukraine in the coming weeks. how will it change the situation at the front and is there an effective countermeasure? quick response from the allies. the us and the eu impose sanctions on iran in response to its supply of missiles. for

russia, what other news did us secretary of state blinken and british foreign minister lemmy bring to kyiv. debates around ukraine. the topic of ending russian aggression became one of key in the pre-election debate between us presidential candidates kamala harris and donald trump. which of the applicants was more convincing? glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. of course, let's talk about the debate between the main candidates for the position of president of the united states of america, kamala harris and donald trump. well, of course, we are interested in another topic, an international topic, but it is... what a topic

directly affects ukraine, this is the consent of our western partners to the destruction of military facilities on the territory of the russian federation with long-range weapons, atakams missiles, because this decision should obviously be made by our partners, well, at least it seems that this is all there is to it, we will talk about all this in the next two hours, in the first part of our program we will have guests... volodymyr gryzko, former minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, politician and diplomat, oleksandr krayev, americanist and political expert and ihor romanenko, air defense lieutenant general, who will tell us about what is actually happening with the air defense system in ukraine, and what these iranian missiles and missiles that we will receive to impress objects on the territory of the russian federation in... part of our program, which will start

in an hour, we will have two political experts: volodymyr fesenko and maksym rozumny, and we will also discuss both domestic and international politics with them. however, before starting our conversation, i suggest watching a video of drones, dragons, which the armed forces of ukraine have been using for the past few weeks, quite actively, they are spraying incendiary. mixture over the landings, where the russians are hiding and not only cause direct damage, but also depress the morale of the occupiers. more and more such videos are appearing on the network, we have prepared a selection of impressive and exciting videos for you. let's see.

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youtube and facebook platforms. for those who now watch us on these platforms, please subscribe to our pages, take part in our survey. today we ask you about the following: have you watched tv? trump and harris, please vote yes, no, if you have a different opinion that you want to capture in the comments below this youtube video, please write this comment, if you are watching us on tv, please pick up your smartphone or phone and call the numbers if you watched the tv debate 0800 211 381 no 0800 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. i would like to introduce our first guest today, this is volodymyr ogrysko, diplomat, politician, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9, head of the russian research center. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. greetings , mr. serhiy, good evening, greetings to all our dear tv viewers. well, first of all,

today there is such a large and powerful delegation led by blinkin and lemney, the minister of foreign affairs of great britain. are in kyiv, they participate in the crimean platform, but obviously, obviously, this is more or less the same task before blinkin and lemmy, it is obviously about discussing with the ukrainian president the issue of granting permission to ukraine to destroy military facilities on the territory of the russian federation with long-range weapons, because... literally in a day, the secretary of state of the united states of america blinken admitted the possibility that ukraine would receive permission for such strikes. let's hear what blinkin said on the eve of the visit to kyiv in an interview with sky news. i can tell you that we have adapted and adjusted every step of the way, and we

continue to do so. therefore, at this stage, we do not rule it out. we have never ruled it out, but when we provide something, we want to make sure that it will... contribute to what the ukrainians are trying to achieve. mr. volodymyr, is the main partner, the united states of america, other western partners close to such a decision, considering iran's supply of ballistic missiles to russia? well, you can continue, mr. sergey, your opinion blinton that ukrainians really need such a thing. weapons in order to win, and i think that in america they finally understood this, and you know, you always have to look at what your enemy says in relation to issues and topics that are important to you, so

today all the moscow information filth, in a different way it is impossible to say, all these telegram channels and so on are howling in the literal sense of the word, because they understand that the decision has most likely already been made, and now the process of how it should be presented beautifully is just going on, and you see, it is not accidental blinkin started talking about it in such a diplomatic, but quite transparent way, the hints are clear, that is, it is about the fact that most likely the decision should be... it is about to be made, i don't know if it will be in a couple of days or in a couple of weeks , the question is when president zelenskyi and president biden will actually meet, different dates are called, well, from days to

to to weeks, we don't know it now, it's all a very complicated story that needs to be coordinated through many channels, but the question... it's been at this for two days or two weeks, basically nothing special it does not mean that if there is a solution, or it is almost there, then we will wait two weeks. waited much longer, and this will have a significant impact on the situation on the battlefield, look at what these z-channels and russian propaganda will say after the attack of our drones on moscow, well, something, something must be done, how we live, we are the nation of the winner, and now we are being beaten, that is, whether putin wants it or not, but the process is starting. the process of, well , at least some understanding of the fact that, after all, he is leading

russia in the wrong direction begins, and this is understood not only by those who are sitting in the kitchens, this understands his environment, and the environment, i think, will be that force, except of course the main and our heroic defense forces, which will make decisions very quickly, and here we are, it seems to me, now despite the pressure from the west . despite the fact that some peace plans are being imposed on us all the time in the name of sholtz or someone else with real losses for ukraine. we have to endure, we have to persevere and we have to prove that it is the combination of efforts on the battlefield and diplomacy at the highest level that will give ukraine the best result. you already mentioned that as they howl in the moscow swamps, i will only mention the reaction of the speaker of the state duma , vyacheslav volodin, who said that such a decision had already been taken by our

western partners, regarding the possible strikes of attacks on the territory of the russian federation, but warned about the fact that we still have quite serious weapons and will respond, while putin's press secretary piskov believes that the western partners have already. decided to authorize strikes deep into russian territory, and said that they too are thinking in the kremlin now about what to do in this situation, and hints at a more serious weapon, er, what do you think, the increase of rates by our western partners, because in this situation it is obviously going, it is about what our western partners decide. .. and move to another stage of the russian-ukrainian war and push

moscow to some answers, to what extent is this a game for the promotion of our western partners and moscow, to what extent are they commensurate, to what extent can moscow take the lead in these stakes or go to the mountain there. well, you know, mr. sergey, i paid attention to the performance today. lavova, where he started talking, well, not at all about the key tasks that putin set when starting their so-called svo. he began to say that, in fact, the main goal of russia in this svo is the protection of people's rights, it is about human rights in general. no more denazification, no more demilitarization, no more. of the kyiv regime and so on and so on, it is simply a question of human rights, well, you

see, you just need to give some specific people the right to read pushkin, as if they are not given this today, though, or something like that, that is, you know, in diplomacy very often signals give an understanding of what is happening with vashtunkas, i really wanted to... make no mistake, but here, this speech by lavov tells me for some reason that now the kremlin will really think, well, that it is possible to exchange your ee departure, departure for your military fiasco, because imagine that we receive the permission of ee western partners, well, in fact, speaking... it is not diplomatic, to destroy the infrastructure of russia for 300 km, well

minimum, and maybe further, maybe up to 500 km, from the ukrainian border, well, the question is in the problem, and then what is left, actually, of the russian infrastructure, and nothing, because in this way their, in fact , economic potential will be destroyed, well, you can extract oil in siberia. but if you cannot transport it to your novorossiysk and then take it abroad, then you automatically lose half of your opportunities. and over there , such a wonderful country called denmark can, well, prohibit the passage through its straits to vessels that do not perform elementary the rules of the international maritime organization, when

they do not hire pilots, because it is a gray fleet, when they actually create a... storm, because this fleet is forty years old, 50 years old and already poses a threat to all surrounding countries and so on, so what this is to cut off russia from oil, well, that means bringing it to its knees, well, i don’t think that putin’s entourage in moscow is so stupid that it cannot understand what it is all about, so i think that now in moscow, after how this decision will be made. like ukraine will begin to methodically destroy everything that is there at a distance of 300-500 km, i think that very quickly other arguments will be found in moscow, why this war should be stopped, because it is theoretically possible to use nuclear weapons, but after that russia will no longer be able to it is already clear to everyone. at first, you see,

they sent burns to naryshkin, to explain to him in the 22nd year that it is not possible to do so... well, now he will be called at a much higher level and will also explain that such a step would be suicidal for the russian federation, therefore it is better to get away and negotiate on normal international legal grounds. mr. volodymyr, we have already mentioned these iranian missiles, which, according to the americans, were delivered to the russian federation, they are ballistic missiles, they are flying there. 80 km, but fateh is called, and but it does not matter how many kilometers they fly, given the status of iran in the world and the sanctions that are in effect against this state, and the united states of america, great britain and france have introduced additional sanctions against

tehran, against the leaders iran, but for the world what iran includes. is more involved in the russian-ukrainian war, first with drones, and now with ballistic missiles, or is this the red line for our western partners, along which they will do everything to ensure that russia is defeated, defeated in this war? well, you see, mr. serhiy, from what we see and hear now, it hasn't become a red line yet, well, that's how sanctions were imposed on iran. air on the main campaign, so included in the sanctions list several ships that transport oil there and so on and so forth, well, this is not unprincipled, you understand, these are not the things that should be reacted to much more harshly, eh, i think that, unfortunately, eh, on

the iranian issue, the solution is yes not at all, uh, because i think that given iran's attempts to get a nuclear weapon, and these attempts are quite successful, and iran is really a few steps away from having such a bomb, i think that these sanctions are not very effective, it seems to me that important political decisions must be made here, such a development of events must be anticipated. need to physically destroy all the training centers of these nuclear developments of tehran, and in this way to put this iranian regime in its place, because if it announces that it already has nuclear bombs, it will be too late, and you understand

what can happen when and in apparently, israel and iran do not have nuclear weapons, but... somehow israel so delicately says that if necessary, we will use them, iran can also say the same, and imagine what will happen to the entire region of the middle and near east. by the way, while you and i were on the air, blinkin announced that that the meeting between zelenskyi and biden will take place this friday, september 13, in washington, and, as the secretary of state says. of the united states of america, he came to ukraine in order to find out what assistance ukraine still needs, in particular, regarding the issue of territorial defense in the near future, that is, a meeting. which was announced by zelensky and biden at the end of september, when the un general assembly will begin, was moved two

weeks earlier or a week, well, two weeks earlier, does this mean that on september 13 we will hear some important things from biden's mouth, and obviously, it will be about long-range missiles that can... ukraine against russia? well, you see, mr. sergey, i did not accidentally say about two days or two weeks, because this information has been circulating for some time, so to speak. well, thank god it's going to happen now in two days, that's very, i think, positive news. i think that today president zelensky will definitely talk about it in his evening address. and i really hope that this meeting will really make a difference. from this, well, not a dead point, but such a swampy point the question is also about long-range missiles, and most importantly

about the plan for our joint victory, because if we want to win this war, then we must explain one simple thing to the west: this is not a war of russia against ukraine, it is a war of ukraine against the west, so if we want to put ... you put this aggressor in place, then this is our joint task, and we are not asking the west for something, this west gives us something that will help him defend himself, but with ukrainian hands and ukrainian lives, and this, i think, should be very clear and clearly convey to consciousness the american president, as well as to the consciousness of other leaders... of the free world, if we turn the debate in such a way that this is not our request, give it to us, but this is our joint work and our joint task,

then, i think, - our western partners will look at it differently. this meeting will take place a few days after the first televised debate, which took place between the two candidates for the position of president of the united states of america, kamala harris and donald. trump, and the ukrainian issue was one of the issues at these tv debates, usually trump used rhetoric about how he could quickly end the war in ukraine through negotiations, while kamala harris accused trump of his desire to surrender ukraine and promised ukrainians further support. let's listen to a fragment of this debate on abc news. i want this war to stop, i want people not to die by the millions, we

gave a lot of money to ukraine, more than europe, if you look, the figure is huge, i have good relations with both putin and zelensky, they respect they do not respect biden and do not even communicate with him him, we are now playing with fire in relation to the world. trump talks about ending the war, but he just wants to leave ukraine. i met with zelensky a few days before the full-scale war. i gave him intelligence on how they can protect themselves. and yes, we united 50 countries to help ukraine, and if trump became president again, putin would already be sitting in kyiv and looking towards the rest of europe, starting with poland. there was another interesting phrase, mr. volodymyra, about the fact that if trump were president, putin would eat him for lunch, friend putin would eat him for lunch. have you

watched these televised debates, what are your impressions of these televised debates, who was more convincing? you know, mr. serhiy, i was waiting for this question from you, and i will tell you this way, we have no right to say, er,... who do we like more? well, honestly, i think that it should not be done either at the highest level, or at the average level, or at the expert level. preparations are underway for the election of the president of the united states, and this choice is the president, the choice of the american people, whether it will be trump or harris, it their choice, and we must build our work, both with ... trump and with harris, on a normal, civilized basis. yes, each of us has, of course, our

likes and dislikes, so to speak. and i'm just going to go with the quick estimates that the americans did, they said that harris was more convincing and that she, well , won the debate, that 65% of those who watched the debate, the americans, i mean, preferred harris, and that is why she has already proposed. hold another debate in october, because it was previously presented as that she only knows how to smile nicely and gently, but is not too reactive, that is , she does not respond quickly to certain questions, does not know a lot, and so on. today, as american observers write, she has shown that she is well versed in all issues, both domestic and foreign policy, knows how to hold a blow and knows how to attack. so i

think that... we just have to watch it, have a great relationship with the democratic party, have a great relationship with the republican party, work with both the harris and trump teams, and wait and see what the choice will be made by the american people and then we won't have any problems, believe me, when we have bipartisan and bicameral support, that means we are doing the right policy. in relation to our main strategic partner, god forbid someone from the official somewhere should say that i like this or that better, this will be something that i think we need to avoid under any circumstances, because then we, then we actually , will destroy the chances of having normal, general american support. in

our affairs, because a large part republicans and a large part of democrats are our friends, and we need to make sure that these friends, regardless of which party they are in, help ukraine, and this will be our main victory. mr. volodymyr, last week there was a rotation at the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine. i know that you also know dmytro kuleba well. and andrii sybigu, zelensky, commenting on the latest changes in the ministry of foreign affairs, said that we need to strengthen and understand the countries with which we work, and in particular from latin america, from countries of africa and asia. let's listen to what zelensky said. what is this plan for? this is a plan to strengthen, seriously strengthen ukraine. and in

my opinion, it will have, by the way, both psychological and political and different types of influence on russia's decision to end this war. this plan was absolutely necessary, and presented to the second peace summit in order to... in order to force russia to end the war diplomatically, if the partners support it, it will make it easier for ukraine, it will definitely make it easier for ukraine to force russia to end the wars. this is us listened to the president's position regarding the victory plan, and yet i suggest listening to what he said about personnel changes in the ministry of foreign affairs.

they have ukraine completely. understand that in all partner countries, in particular in europe, ukraine needs much more meaningful relations and cooperation than it currently has with the countries of latin america, with the countries of africa, asia. we must realize the full potential of strategic relations with the united states and with all countries that are key to their regions, but which do not yet have strategic relations. with ukraine, we need a really strategic level of cooperation. mr. volodymyr, this strategicness that president zelensky is talking about did not exist before, was it not enough, was it connected with the minister, or was it in general, well, in this situation, this rocker does not change anything in particular, because it is under during the war, one foreign policy leader.