it was ihor romanenko, lieutenant general, founder of the charity fund we will close the sky of ukraine. friends, in 15 minutes we will return to the studio, we will have volodymyr fesenko and maksym rozumny, stay with us. trump did not answer the question, does he want ukraine to win? haris pri... shamed him for his friendship with dictators and said that putin would eat him for lunch. it was the first debate of the us presidential candidates. we are talking about this on the bbc live from london. i am yevgenia shedlovska. well, this debate was different from the first debate presidential campaign in the united states, after which joe biden withdrew from the election and vice president kamala harris became trump's opponent. the american elections are two months away. there is a small gap between the candidates. garis. trump in

national polls, but this is not an indicator of future winners, since the us electoral system is quite complex and candidates will primarily compete for the support of undecided states, and the debate for them is one of the opportunities to do this. 90 minutes on abc tv channel garis and trump answered the questions of the moderators, could respond to each other's criticisms, there were no viewers in the studio: from the economy, illegal migration, the ban on abortion to international. during this time there were many topics and many mutual accusations, and what exactly garis was trying to do was to get trump, so to speak. that's all. world leaders mock donald trump. i talked to the military leaders who worked with you, and they told me that you are a disgrace. yes, garis commented without justification on trump's claims that he, they say, he did not lose in the last presidential elections. and you know that trump from... answered.

he quoted orbán, the hungarian prime minister. why is the world exploding because it is necessary for president trump to return, china, north korea, and russia were afraid of him. that's it. trump relayed the words of orbán, his friend who recently visited him. trump called him a respectable, strong politician. trump also repeated that if he were the president, russia would not start a war against ukraine and as soon as it wins, it will immediately end the war in it is in the best interests of the united states that this war... ends to agree on an agreement, this is trump's idea, but when asked directly whether he wants ukraine to win, which he was asked twice by the moderator, trump answered the same way, he wants to stop the war and save lives . we're flirting with world war iii and we have a president we don't even know. where is our president? trump previously spoke of...millions dead because of

russia's war against ukraine, which is inconsistent with available casualty figures, and kamala harris responded that if trump were president, then putin would already be sitting in kyiv, encroaching on the rest of europe, on poland, and that international military aid, support, helped ukraine to endure the struggle. the war was one of those topics that was discussed at the debate, it is important that we heard from them, and we are in touch with an expert of the council from outside. she was quite emotional, but on the topic of russia's war against ukraine, she became even more charged, why were there such arguments between them? that in fact, none of the candidates, as we saw, has a clear step-by-step strategy, we saw that each of them operates rather narratives, i.e. trump, he is a supporter of the fact that at any price, even obviously at the price of concessions on ukrainian territory. or

a certain part of the sovereignty to agree with putin, but what to do after such an agreement comes or is broken, obviously he does not know at the moment, and the same with harris, she is ready to continue the policies of the current administration, to provide weapons to ukraine, she perceives this war, this conflict, as indeed a threat to the entire european security, and, accordingly, a threat to the national interests of the usa, but how exactly to stop russia, which what to do on the second day of your own presidency? as american analysts say, she also clearly has no idea yet, so the key problem with both candidates was that they do not have a strategic vision, they actually only have ideological certain narratives. well, trump, he 's ready to stop the war even before he becomes president, if he wins the election, he says so, and here's his plan, which we heard again at the debate, it's this: talk to zelensky, talk to putin, make them agree on how much is it even in the interest of the united states?

in fact, it is in the interests of donald trump, first of all, from the point of view of the political psychology of this politician, it is necessary to rely on the fact that he has a clear belief in the unique. ness of his own talent as a negotiator, and therefore he is convinced that for his own image, for his own development as a politician and in order to further promote himself as a strong leader, he must and at the same time he can really stop such a big war with two calls the russian federation has decided whether it will respond similar scenario to the interests of the united states? in fact, no, because as we talked to you, trump is ready for negotiations with putin at the expense of concessions from ukraine. any concessions on the part of ukraine, territorial, political, economic, any, will be perceived not only by russia, but extremely importantly, as a loss not just for ukraine, but as a loss of a collective effort, as a manifestation of the weaknesses of this very collective effort, and therefore it is completely

at odds with the geopolitical strategy the united states is currently demonstrating force, they must demonstrate determination in opposing both russia and china, and concessions to the russians. the issue of ukraine will clearly not demonstrate strength. and kamala harris, she talked about russia's threat to nato countries, but still, did we learn anything new about kamala harris' views on the war in ukraine during this debate, or will she continue biden's policies? it will indeed in its main features continue what joseph biden started, but it is necessary to focus attention on several features. she immediately said that the issue of ukraine, like me said, this is a question of american geopolitics. it's not just helping one particular ally resist one particular aggression, it's a matter of european security, it's a matter of democracy that stops dictatorship, freedom that fights against slavery, so it's essentially not just part of american strategy, it's part of american image, it's part of

american ideology, as the key state that protects democracy around the world, that is , it is very much in line with what kamala hari said about taiwan, it absolutely is. late because she spoke about israel, that is, conditionally speaking, we see that haris , unlike biden, is ready to combine these three topics into a single ideological group, as a democracy that fights against the dictatorship that is advancing on it. well, even during the conversation about russia's war against ukraine, trump mentioned that russia has nuclear weapons, which he said could be used, so why did he mention nuclear weapons, what was his argument, and what was his key? the idea was just voiced in the last sentence during this passage, he said that russia will use it if biden remains president, or if kamala harris becomes president, if i am donald trump, i can avoid this disaster, this is again a reference to his own psycho-emotional somewhat narcissistic

portrait that defines him as the only , who can solve such a global international problem. also, it should be noted that this is a rather dangerous passage because he is now... the first american president to publicly tell the russian authorities that your nuclear blackmail works, i am afraid of this nuclear blackmail, and therefore now moscow understands that in the event of trump's victory, the threat of nuclear war will be the best tool they can use to force trump to negotiate, or at least to force trump to support ukraine. thank you oleksandr, we were contacted by the expert of the council of foreign policy ukrainian prism, oleksandr kraev. but... nevertheless, the main discussions at these debates were about domestic american politics and one of the key topics was an urgent request among voters - illegal migration, and here it seemed that trump had trump cards in his hands, but one of his statements about illegal immigrants in the city of springfield, ohio, turned the topic

against him. in springfield they eat dogs, people who came to us, they eat cats, they eat. pets, local residents, and kamalagaris couldn't hold back her smiles, but to make matters worse, the moderator of the discussion actually refuted trump's claim. abc news reached out to a government official and he said there are no credible reports of cases of abuse of domestic animals by emigrants. this is such a moment that can become a meme, the debate lasted one and a half hours, but in the memory of the voters can only remain... these are such moments, in fact, this is the opinion of the american sociologist frank luntz about these debates regarding the candidates' performance. it's not that harris won, it's that donald trump lost. in places he spoke in such a language and expressed such ideas that the people who

watched it were simply shocked. his thesis is that in some communities dogs eat cats because they don't have food, or his opinion about who controls the media, or the thesis about corruption that... according to trump , took place in the 2020 election, and he is still pushing the idea that he was robbed of the victory in the previous elections. this evening did not seem successful for him. he didn't seem informed, his strongest topic is inflation, he was constantly given opportunities to talk about it, but for some reason he chose to talk about something else, to be honest i was shocked, the last time this happened was in 2008, when sarah palin became the last national a candidate who personified the following saying: the longer he talks, the more votes he loses. although trump himself confidently declared that he won the debate, the fact that trump came to the room with journalists after the broadcast to prove this victory indicated the exact

opposite. in general, during the debate, trump mostly responded to the attacks of harris, and kamala harris, notably, very often directly addressed the voters, this will be my policy, this will be, this will be the policy of my administration, and it is not surprising, after all, one of the main tasks of kameligaris was to introduce herself to the voters, to become recognizable, to tell them who she is, because harry became a candidate from the... democratic party just three months before the elections, did she cope with this task? polls will show, what can definitely help harris in the fight for the white house is that immediately after the debate, she was supported by the singer taylor swift, who has millions of fans. she posted a photo with a cat and captioned it as a cat lover without children. do you remember trump ally and vice-presidential candidate jaydy vance has called democrats childless cats with miserable lives, and the support of such a star can help. for democrats to reach those young voters who are not interested

in politics at all. the fact that the garis team is satisfied with the result is shown by the fact that, immediately after the debate, they proposed to hold the next one until november, when the elections will take place. the bbc's neda tufik analyzes the implications of this debate for the election campaign. looks like trump feels he underperformed in the debate compared to kamala harris. jd vance suggested that kamala was spouting unsubstantiated platitudes and slogans, and that, as a joe biden follower, she was saying things she should have done but didn't. instead, we saw kamala harris take control of the debate, setting the tone for the debate before the first word was spoken, walking up to trump's half to shake his hand and introduce herself. then we watched how she one by one one involved trump's well-known weaknesses, and he swallowed knives each time. how she gloated about the size of the rallies in his support, his refusal to admit defeat in

the 20th election, his court cases that are still pending, including the one for which he was found guilty in new york. donald trump really took the bait and tried more to make excuses for his past than to talk about his policies for the future. but again, trump tried to say that kamala harris is no different from joe biden, while addressing his voters and only nomala harris became an official nominee after joe biden left the race, polls showed a significant jump and revived interest in her person. we are now seeing its slow decline after the so-called garis honeymoon and it is expected that the kamalagari team is hoping for another jump after this debate. let's see if it comes true. everyone understands that until polling day, and let's also not forget that early voting starts next week in some states, then... these will be incredibly tight races and no one can predict how they will go, so

there is always debate about moderate independent voters in key undecided states. it is important to add that kamalagari appealed to such voters more than donald trump. she said she was proud that she and her companion owned guns, responding to trump's accusations that he would take away her right to bear arms and his attempts to paint her as far-left. politician she also defended her position on application permits fracking technologies for shale gas production in the us, and support for a bipartisan tougher immigration law. this is something that worries many americans. so it was a real attempt to present myself as a moderate politician to one of the largest audiences. and read more about the first debate between kamala harris and donald trump on our website bbc.ua. and also subscribe to our pages in social networks so as not to miss the most important news. i'll say goodbye to you until tomorrow,

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to the president of the united states. awaiting long-range approval. iran's missile deal with russia could free the hands of the united states. what kind of reaction should we expect from the kremlin to airstrike attacks deep into russian territory? the crimean platform is gathering friends. the president of lithuania, the prime minister of kalatvia, the speaker of the czech senate and other foreign guests arrived in kyiv for the summit. what solutions can be expected regarding the crimean issue? friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are watching us now live on these platforms, please subscribe to our pages and also take part in our survey. today we ask you about this: did you watch the televised debate between trump and harris. so, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no.

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televised debates, it is unnecessary to ask you, since you obviously followed these televised debates. and it is clear that from these tv debates it is clear with what positions and in what condition the candidates for the presidency of the united states of america enter the pre-election, active pre-election campaign, how do you perceive these tv debates, who won them, who lost, or whether it was a draw, or someone who did you like more, or did you not like someone more, let's start with mr. maksym. thank you, i think that actually these are two different two different opinions can be, who liked more and who won this debate, in terms of who won the debate, i'm still more inclined to be guided by the opinion of the american expert environment,

the media environment, and if they say that i won... then i guess that's the way it is there is, and there are probably certain reasons for this, although in this case i was more disappointed by donald trump than i liked him, compared to previous speeches, well, it can be seen that he has, so to speak, run out of ideas, and the stock of rhetorical techniques as well . er, energy faded a little, well, in this sense, he is not very convincing, as he looked to me at these debates, and maybe that's why haris got it. advantage, she didn't say anything extraordinary either, in my opinion, she doesn't look like the leader of the nation, who leads the nation in some understandable and acceptable and

desirable direction for everyone, but, well, like in a boxing match by points, she most likely won. thank you, mr. maksym, mr. volodymyr, it is clear that the next president will be chosen by the americans, and it is clear that... obviously, sociology, which is already there, carried out by television companies, in particular cnn says, it is in favor of kamala harris, but it must be admitted that she behaved decently in the debate with trump, and looks, looked more prepared, trump may have wanted to play more on skill and on the fact that he was once the president of the united states of america, and apparently he didn't expect it either. such questions, double questions, when she simply drove him into a corner, how do you assess

the preparation, firstly, for the tv debates, and secondly, the possibility of further debates, even in absentia between trump and harris, well they will have to debate in absentia, there are still almost two months of the election campaign ahead and the fight is... approaching the climax, but it is telling that already after this debate, trump said that he does not see the point in further debates, direct debates, but this is indirectly shows that he himself admits, he lost this debate, although he said that he looked brilliant and so on, but in fact it is an admission that he lost. this is what interests these debates, not even political theses and programs. in particular, not the position on ukraine, because well, we saw both of them and heard what they knew, nothing fundamentally

new, in particular about ukraine, where they didn't say anything about most other issues, but it was interesting to see who dominates, who took the initiative, kamala garis took the initiative, you showed that, yes, she is the first came up to trump, during the debate, in an offensive way. so you asked about preparation, well, it is very noticeable that both kamala garis and her team prepared better for this debate. i agree with my colleague that it is possible that trump, you know, as it often happens in sports, in particular, a more experienced participant, he may think that he wins in the classroom, on experience, the situation is different here, here... self-motivation, concentration, initiative, confidence, not self-confidence and arrogance, as is often the case with trump, although now i also agree that

energy may have been lacking for trump , but kamala harris had exactly this energy, and for me, in fact, kamala harris won not from the point of view of rational argumentation or her program theses, because there are two camps here, which, let's say, support specific political positions, even personalities, but the competition for those who waver is taking place in these debates, and here kamala harist demonstrated, she is energetic, powerful, she knows how to come forward, she knows how to drive an opponent like trump, an aggressive opponent into a corner, and besides, you know, one of the immediate reactions on social networks is facial expressions. kamale harris, when she hears trump, when she speaks, here is the face language of kamale harris,

let's say, won, defeated kamale harris in this component of her opponent, how is it not it's strange, from the point of view of emotions, from the point of view of offensive initiative, kamala garis played on trump's field and won on this field, the initiative behind her, in particular in this debate, well, today i consider kamala garis to be successful not only from the point of view of the formal, the formal results of this debate, here you quoted the cnn poll, but in addition to that, another news, taylor swift, the most popular singer in the united states right now, has publicly endorsed kamala harris, which is another victory for her, and that means, what about in august, when from...

well, this is precisely the initiative of kamala garis, and this is her advantage at the moment. let's see how it will affect the electoral ratings, in particular in those states that are swinging, here i think the fight will go until the last day, but from the point of view of the logic of the campaign, today kamala harris demonstrated that the initiative is behind her , you mentioned taylor. i will explain to our viewers that taylor swift is a popular american singer and she has always supported the democrats, just today she came out in support of kamala harris, because it happened, well, literally a few hours after the televised duel between kamala and donald, which taylor swift wrote on instagram, i believe we

can achieve much more. that in this country, if we are ruled by peace and not chaos, the singer noted, her post was signed by a childless cat woman, so trump's vice president jaydee vance called women who do not have children and who , according to him, usually vote for democrats , well, that is, she trolled vance, but it must be said that she has an audience in instagram has 283 million followers, of course these are not all americans, well, i mean followers. followers are from all over the world, but a lot of americans follow taylor swift. mr. maxim, what do you think about this public support of a popular american singer, can it influence the behavior, the electoral behavior of americans and help kamala harris and add to her in the election campaign? i think that...

will definitely help, because today , the actual content of the debate and the content of the american political discourse and not only american, shows that the political struggle, it runs not so much between some clear ideologies, clear programs, all of this changes, all of this mixes. in different proportions and, so to speak, ratios, we remember that before the republicans were such hawks of american politics, they were most aggressively set against the enemies of america, against the axis of evil, so to speak, and today they actually play there in the person of trump, they will play with russia, well, with

china. less, but, they admit, it would be so so to speak, coexistence with their traditional enemies. why am i talking about this, because in fact today the main confrontation lies in the plane of uh, worldview, culture, uh, lifestyle, if you like, and these are such criteria and such indicators that are very important for people who at.. . go to, will come to vote, in america to say that they will come to the ballot box, this metaphor will not be very accurate, so people vote, feeling who is theirs, who is a stranger, and these public people are like taylor swift or others there , i saw, for example, very often they use memes, there's ronaldo and messi, yes.

who, who for whom, who is for israel, who is for palestine, who is for ukraine, who is for russia, that is, people vote, orient themselves in the political space on the basis of such illogical from the point of view of political science, maybe indicators and triggers, but it is clear, that political technologists should take this into account and most likely very well... we remember the year 2016, this whole story with big data and cambridge analytics, when we calculated, so to speak, the preferences of voters down to the color of the cat's fur and so on, in order to in order to accurately convey the message of the politician and win over the voter, i think that...