there is ronaldo and messi, yes, who, who for whom, who for israel, who for palestine, who for ukraine, who for russia, that is, people vote, orientate themselves in the political space on the basis of such illogical things from the point of view of political science, perhaps indicators and triggers, but it is clear that political technologists have to... take this into account and most likely take it into account very well, we remember 2016, this whole history with the e-bike data and cambridge analytics, when they calculated, so to speak, the preferences of voters down to the color of cat fur and so on, in order to accurately convey a politician's message and appeal to her voter, i think that uh...taylor swift in

this row is such a very strong argument. whoever wins the presidential elections in the united states of america, obviously, the winner will have to deal with the victory plan that president zelensky is currently preparing. it was announced that the president of ukraine will meet with the president of the united states of america. today, however, such double information appeared, well, a double reading of what he said. uh, antony blinken, while in kyiv, since the secretary of state of the united states of america said that on friday, september 13, our leaders will meet in washington, then of course, ukrainian pravda, for example, submitted that on september 13, biden and zelensky will meet, and then it was clarified that it was about the british prime minister and the president of the united states of america, but there is a plan for victory, and today it is about a plan for re-election.

volodymyr zelenskyy spoke on the crimean platform, and he said that this plan envisages the strengthening of ukraine and will have psychological political influence on russia's decision to end the war. let's listen to what zelensky said. what is this plan for? this is a plan to strengthen, seriously strengthen ukraine. and in my opinion, there will be, by the way. and psychological, and political, and of a different nature, regarding the armed influence on russia's decision to end this war. this plan must have been presented before the second peace summit in order to force russia to... a diplomatic end to the war,

if the partners support it, it will make it easier for ukraine, it will definitely make it easier for ukraine to force of russia until the end of the war. mr. volodymyr, i don't know if you have seen the draft of this victory plan, maybe, maybe you participated in the discussion of what the victory plan should be, but is there in this victory plan a clause about the use of long-range weapons. of long-range weapons on the territory of the russian federation, because i understand that the russians, the russian federation, already today about kukarikala, that this decision was taken by the united states of america and great britain, and obviously, i do not rule it out , that september 13 is this decision will be it was announced after the meeting between the presidents of the united states of america and great britain, how this decision will affect this plan for victory, because... it is so fundamental and will have

consequences not only for the russian-ukrainian war, but also for the future of the russian federation, therefore that we are talking about 300 km deep into the russian federation and about infrastructural facilities, which russia will, of course, lose. well , first of all, i will note that i have not seen a single draft of this document, the degree of my proximity to the bank will be greatly exaggerated. yes, sometimes they turn to me, of course, but this is not the situation, i think that this plan, these proposals were worked on by, well , a group of people, i think there from the national security and defense council, special services, law enforcement agencies, definitely from the office of the president, and well, this plan is definitely now secret, but some points of this plan can.

to predict, well, in any case, certain directions, certain specific proposals, because the plan will be, i think, our proposals are not our plan of military actions, this is our proposal, what should be done with... our partners, first of all, the united states for to help us force russia to negotiate. the goal is precisely this, not just there, there, how to liberate all the occupied territories, i think that now, unfortunately, the situation is a little different, namely, what needs to be done in order to force russia to sit down at the negotiating table without ultimatums, without any there are demands on us, and well, to force gradually. until the end of the war against ukraine, although the question is under what conditions, this will be the biggest drama in the long run, so here is the clause on the authorization or lifting of restrictions on the use of western long-range weapons for strikes on russian

territory, on military facilities on this territory, infrastructure facilities, i think, one of the key, certainly not only this, i think there are other proposals, in particular, on economic pressure. russia, and this is not only about sanctions, we are talking about, in particular, about, i think, there are specific proposals regarding the russian tanker fleet, the shadow tanker fleet, in general, how to act in such a way as to reduce russia's income from oil, this is one of the key points, according to the nuclear energy is also an old topic, certainly coordination of diplomatic actions, pressure on russia. to force her to negotiate, and i think that tactics and possible specific proposals for cooperation with those countries that are at least partially russia's partners, in particular in brics, are important here. there will already

be a brics summit in october, and it is very noticeable now that some brics participants, in particular india, to some extent china. stepped up in their peacekeeping plan, we'll see what happens next, so i think that this plan, well, no, you don't have to take it, you know, as something so magical that will allow us to end the war quickly, i fully believe that some ideas can be accepted, some not, but in what the meaning of these proposals is connected, first of all, with the fact that today the situation in the usa is very spicy. in the law on military aid to ukraine, which was passed in april, there was a clause, which was included by congressmen-republicans, that biden should present a strategy, a strategy for the victory of ukraine over russia, with american

help, and so far there is no such strategy, well the other day there was information that the white house allegedly presented some proposals, we don't know which ones. but one way or another, i think that this topic itself, it is now will be the subject, in particular, of the pre-election struggle between the democrats, republics, and ukraine, presenting their proposals, their vision of what the usa can do for ukraine. we, we indirectly and sufficiently, let's say so, delicately, evenly, are trying to influence these american debates, and accordingly, the question of how to decide, well... the further strategy of helping ukraine, i believe that this is the right step, one should not expect any specific results right away, but after the removal of restrictions on long-range weapons, i think that maybe there will be a result in the near future, but gradual, maybe step-by-step, in particular,

well, if there is a meeting with the british prime minister, then i do not rule out that first there may be permission to use british weapons, british missiles for strikes on russian... territory, and here is the issue of attacks, maybe it will be decided already when the meeting of our president with the president of the united states takes place, it is already the second half, the second half of september, so it is step by step, and maybe not to be used in full, but also with certain restrictions, but the main thing is that certain red lines will, if not canceled, move significantly and ukraine will have more opportunities to attack... military facilities on the territory of russia. thank you, mr. volodymyr , during the presentation of the new head of the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine, andrii sebighe, president zelenskyi said that ukraine needs a second peace summit this year. let's listen to what zelensky said. this means maximum involvement of the world in

the implementation of the peace formula and maximum strengthening of our positions to make it real the process of restoring peace is fair. team. the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine, the entire government team, the team of the president's office, our parliamentary diplomats, everyone who is involved in this... work at the public level, everyone must understand that peace for ukraine and a just end to the war is not just a historical mission, but a daily one and very painstaking work. mr. maksym, during the last year, zelenskyi's team created two plans: there was a peace plan and a victory plan, that is, the peace plan is 10 points out of three out of 10 that... were considered in switzerland on the first peace summit, seven points were

left out, maybe they will go to the second peace summit, but now the victory plan appears, what is the cardinal difference, in your opinion, between the peace plan and the victory plan? yes, this is just a very interesting question, and i also paid attention to the fact that there is such, you know, a certain juggling, and it is er in different contexts, where is the plan for peace, and where is the plan for victory, it is difficult to understand. if we talk, perhaps, about some such pragmatics of the process, then i would draw attention to the fact that the peace plan, which provided for 10 steps and which was the basis of the first peace summit, it obviously did not satisfy the russian side, which was not... ready to participate in its discussion at all, and since

the thesis that at the second summit the russian side should to be presented, it is obvious that there would have to be some other plan or agenda to which the russian side would not have such a categorical objection. but it is difficult to assume that such a basis can be the plan of ukrainian victory, so from this one, so to speak so to speak, it seems to me that there are two ways out of a difficult situation, the first, well, two guesses, i would rather say so, we have not yet seen what this plan consists of, either peace or victory, but these are possible. .. imagine two hypotheses, two versions: the first version is what

the ukrainian side has developed, well, let's call it that, a more realistic, or the most realistic uh-uh way of ending the war, which will be presented by our to western partners, as evidence, so to speak, of such a constructive configuration of ukraine, and we understand that coercion to... peace now goes both ways, i.e. they force russia and force ukraine by different methods, different parties, but they achieve, so to speak, certain concessions. so, if we are talking about such a plan, which would look realistic enough, which, uh , included certain steps, certain options for solutions, and so on, then this is one way, another way, which can be guessed with... according to this formula or predict, this is the plan for the victory of ukraine, that is

, the plan according to which russia will be finally defeated and putin's regime will be overthrown and so on so on. and in the event that such a plan exists, if it is sufficiently realistic, then the russian side will see this plan, understand that it is necessary to surrender, you know, like masters, when they sit down and calculate each other's steps, each other's moves, and each other of them, he understands that one way or another, but he doesn't care, and then he gives up and already, so to speak, agrees to the conditions that are offered to him, well, i understand, there is not much time left to wait, the second one will soon be summit, not even sooner, even closer in time, this meeting of representatives of ukraine with our west. partners who have to present this plan, and we will find out which version is closer to the truth.

well, today the crimean platform took place , and on the crimean platform, zelensky called on the participants to work more actively on the implementation of the peace formula, the victory plan, and this is the peace formula, in order to prevent the war in ukraine from freezing. let's listen to what the president of ukraine said: thousands of crimean tatars were forcibly evicted from their homes, thousands died somewhere on this terrible long road, somewhere in foreign lands, and they were torn from originally from the native land. but this root grew in the hearts of their descendants, in each of us. and we stand here today to emphasize to the world: "crimea is ukraine, crimea is our home, and we must go forward until the foreigners leave our home. your voices are very much needed,

in particular, to stand up to the evil that is perpetrated by russia against". crimean tatar people. and we call on the countries that are working on the implementation of the peace formula, which is already about a hundred countries from all parts of the world. convince your partners who are still holding back common work with us, convince them that real peace must have no alternatives, no frozen occupations, no people left in captivity, no forgotten and because of that no. repressions forgiven by the world. mr. volodymyr, volodymyr zelenskyy spoke to our western partners, and it is clear that what he said was perceived by the audience, correctly, and obviously meaningfully, also, it was close to our partners, but we are constantly talking, and

the head of state is saying about the fact that it is obvious that the russians should come to the second summit... of peace, representatives of the russian federation and participate in the second peace summit, and this is also what our western partners want, and not only western partners, taking into account the fact that putin, shaigu, and lavrov say ultimatum that they are not ready for any what options, apart from putin's capitulation plan, because this plan... of putin's capitulation actually exists, it was announced by him in july 2024, under what conditions russia can accept the transition table or the meeting table regarding the future of the russian-ukrainian war. well, i'll start with the fact that here i will say that

said a colleague, i am far from sure that the peace summit will take place already this year. yes, president zelenskyy wants and sets such a task, in particular to the new head of the ministry of foreign affairs, that the peace summit be held in the near future, but a similar task was during the preparation of the first peace summit, it was planned for the fall of last year, then by the end of the year, in the end after all, it was held only in june of this year, we still do not even know the country where this summit will take place, firstly, secondly, the summit is not a peace negotiation, i just no... i imagine what it is, for these are negotiations, when there are dozens of world leaders speaking publicly, these are not negotiations, at best a peace summit, if it takes place, a second peace summit, this is pressure, diplomatic pressure on russia, pressure from a large part of the international community, well, maybe the people before the negotiations, i had

faith, in general i consider it extremely unlikely that russia will take part in this summit, invitation. it may be heard publicly, but for russia this is an unacceptable format, by the way, peace formulas are not a plan, they are a set of principles, i believe that this is our strategic position, it is not about negotiations with russia, half of the points there are completely unacceptable for russia, and russia will not discuss it with us, and we will implement it on other platforms and in other forms, with other tools, and not through peace negotiations. peace negotiations are about... other things, and russia must be forced to join them, that's the main thing, russia will not go to the negotiations just like that, that's why i said that this is the plan, well, i think, the victory plan is a journalistic name, i'm sorry, i'm going to say an unpopular thing, i don't see any amazing plan right now, where it will be checkmate putin, and he will say: that's it, i lost, i agree to peace, no, that won't

happen, let's not pass off wishful thinking , it won't happen, in any case. in the near future, i simply don’t see any prerequisites for this, but it is possible to negotiate first of all by military means, when the price of war for russia will increase, but the prerequisite is that real negotiations will take place when russia agrees to sit down at the table without prior ultimatums and demands, there will be ultimatums, negotiations will not be realistic, but if russia refuses the ultimatums there under pressure china, not under pressure, but at the request of its partners, in particular for brics, under economic, military pressure, most importantly, military pressure, then, then, yes, negotiations can become a reality, but... i also want a quick result i don't expect it, and let's face it, it will be very difficult to agree on anything, except maybe just a ceasefire. that's my position, it's

unpopular, but i don't see any other way to end this war in the near foreseeable future. it's such a difficult situation, that's why i'm far from an optimist, what kind of maximalism the president shows in his proposals, it is correct. this is a form of pressure no longer on russia, on our partners to move faster and to help us more, and to have a more coordinated strategy of pressure on russia, which is the problem now, for example, in our relations with the united states, and the problem of the biden administration that the united states does not have a strategy to end the war, and if we propose specific things that should be done, then i think it is right. it is necessary to put pressure not only on russia, but sometimes it is necessary to put pressure on ours as well partners, and the entire experience of the current war, well , this proves that it works, and now we must

work in this direction, not wait for them to offer us something, but propose what they should do in order for the war to end and not on russian conditions mr. maxim, it is obvious that the war could end in different ways, but since our western partners ... constantly avoid the definition of russia's defeat or putin's defeat, this means that they do not allow this war to end in a total defeat in russia, or removing putin from power, why are they not as categorical in their wishes as the ukrainians, yes. you know, i would mention clausovitsa here, who said that war is a continuation of politics by other methods, but in the opposite direction, i would say that peace

or a situation of cessation of hostilities is a continuation of war, but by other means, and here i am with my colleague , would completely agree, if we leave the rhetoric and formulas behind the brackets, so to speak. images, metaphors, so to speak, the most realistic, so to speak, the finale of this, this series, and in this series, the actual end of active hostilities between russia and ukraine, is a cease -fire, and there is actually one step left to it, compared to the statement that putin made in july. which was mentioned today, putin then said that a ceasefire is possible under certain conditions, well, these conditions are unacceptable to us, and we put forward certain demands that

are unacceptable to putin, so there is one logical step, which is called a ceasefire without preconditions, and actually this pressure, which is exerted from different sides, well, above all, us interested in the pressure on russia. since putin said the terms of the cease-fire, in order to force him to take this step towards a cease-fire, an unconditional cease-fire, there are appropriate tools, well, they have already been talked about today, and they are being talked about a lot, of course, that this is the threat of military defeat and the threat of economic collapse and the threat, most importantly, the threat of lowering putin's rating and his popularity within russia. these are three, so to speak, levers that can force putin to take this step and go on a ceasefire, of course, but it is clear that this

is not the end of the war, this is the beginning of its new stage, a new stage of the struggle for priorities for us, for our ukrainian priorities, for our territorial integrity, for our sovereignty, and for putin for his priority . for the victory, for, so to speak, our authority in russia and so on, that is, we have, so to speak, a near-term plan by which, in which we must evaluate this situation, this is this situation, it is meant at the front and prospective freezing of the conflict, on conditions acceptable to us, because now there are only conditions unacceptable to us, but we must prepare for the next one. a stage when you will have to fight, perhaps no less than hell. thank you, mr. volodymyr, in one minute, if you can formulate why the west does not want to end putin, i am simpler.

i will formulate, but because i am not psychologically ready, and unfortunately, today i am not resourcefully ready, here are the calculations of the kiel institute of economics, which monitors the help of the west, i do not want now, well, you can find it on the internet, now the states and germany are less produce more types of weapons together than russia, and we will also count north korea, iran, this is the situation, unfortunately. they are not ready now for a large-scale military confrontation, even helping us, and so now the challenge is not only for us, the challenge for the united states and europe, if they want to play the long game and want to confront not only russia but also china, they have to restore their defense capability, economic capacity to confront and not be afraid to start a new cold war against our opponents, and in this war we must be. thank you

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