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diplomat, politician, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9, head of the russian research center. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. congratulations mr. serhiy, good evening, i greet all our dear tv viewers. well, first of all, today such a large and powerful delegation headed by blinkin and lemmy, the minister of foreign affairs of great britain, are in kyiv, they are participating in the crimean platform. form, but obviously, obviously, this is more or less the same task facing blinken and lemmy, we are obviously talking about discussing with the ukrainian president the issue of granting permission to ukraine to strike military facilities on the territory of the russian federation, with long-range weapons, because literally in a day the secretary of state of the united states of america. allowed

the possibility that ukraine would receive permission for such strikes. let's listen to what blinkin said on the eve of his visit to kyiv in an interview with sky news. i can tell you that we've adapted and tweaked every step of the way, and we continue to do so, so at this point we 're not ruling it out, we've never ruled it out, but when we provide something, we want to make sure that it contributes to , which ukrainians are trying to achieve. mr. volodymyr, is our main partner close? the united states of america and other western partners to such a decision, considering iran's supply of ballistic missiles to russia? well, you can continue, mr. sergey, mr. blinken's opinion that the ukrainians really need such weapons in order to win, and i think that... in america

they finally understood this, and you know, you always have to look at what is said your enemy is relative to issues and topics that are important to you. so today, all the moscow information filth, there is no other way to say it, all these telegram channels and so on, howl in direct understanding of this word, because... they understand that the decision has most likely already been made, and now the process of how to present it beautifully is just going on, and you see, it was not by chance that blinkin started talking about it in such a diplomatic, but quite transparent way , the hints are clear, that is, it is about the fact that most likely the decision should be made soon, i don’t know if it will be in a couple of days or in a couple of

weeks, the question is when will president zelenskyi and president biden, different dates are called. eh, well, from days until weeks, we don't know that now, it's all a very complicated story that needs to be coordinated, through many channels, but that's not the question, it's been two days or two weeks now, in principle, nothing special so, if there is a decision, or it is almost there, then we will wait for two weeks, we waited much longer, and this will significantly affect the situation on the battlefield, see what the same, what these zchannels will decide about the same and russian propaganda after the attack of our drones on moscow, something, something must be done, how we live, we are the nation of the winner, and now

we are being beaten, that is, whether putin wants it or not, but the process begins, the process of at least some understanding begins. the fact that, after all, he is leading russia to the wrong place, and not only those sitting in the kitchens understand this, his entourage also understands this, and the entourage, i think, will be that force, apart from, of course, our main heroic defense forces , who will make decisions very quickly, and now, it seems to me, despite the pressure from the west, despite the fact that some peaceful ones are imposed on us all the time. plans in the name of sholtz or someone else with real losses for ukraine, we have to endure, we have to persevere and we have to prove that it is the combination of efforts on the battlefield and diplomacy at the highest level that will give ukraine

the best result. you have already mentioned the howling in the moscow swamps, i will only mention the reaction of the speaker of the state duma, vyacheslav volodin, who said. that such a decision was already made by our western partners regarding possible airstrikes on the territory of the russian federation, but he warned that we, they say, still have quite serious weapons and will respond, while putin's press secretary piskov believes that the western partners have also already decided on permission. struck deep into the territory of russia, and said that they are also thinking in the kremlin now about what to do in this situation and hints at a more serious weapon, do you think, that is, raising rates, by our western partners, because in this situation it is obviously going,

it is about our western partners deciding and moving to another stage of russian ukraine. war and push moscow to some answers, to what extent is this a game for the promotion of our western partners and moscow, how commensurate are they, how far can moscow take the lead in these stakes or go to the top? well, you know, mr. sergey, today i paid attention to lavrov's speech, where he started speaking. well, not at all about the key tasks that putin set when starting their so-called svo. he began to say that, in fact, the main goal of russia in this svo is the protection of people's rights. this is in general

about human rights. there is no more denazification, no more demilitarization, no more, the kyiv regime and so on and so forth. it's easy. it's about human rights, well, you see, you just need to give some, some specific people the right to read pushkin, as if they are not given this today, is it true, or something like that, that is, you know, in diplomacy very often signals give an understanding of what is happening with vashtunkas , i would very much like not to make a mistake, but this performance... lavova tells me for some reason that now the kremlin will really think, eh, what can be exchanged for uh-uh, your uh-uh departure, departure, your military

fiasco, because imagine that we get the permission of its western partners, well, actually, to put it bluntly, not diplomatically, to destroy the infrastructure. 300 km from russia, well at least, and maybe even further, maybe up to 500 km, from the ukrainian border, well, the question is in the problem, and then what... remains of the russian infrastructure itself, and nothing, because it will be destroyed in this way their actual economic potential, well, you can extract oil in siberia, but if you can't transport it to your novorossiysk and then take it abroad, then you lose half of your opportunities immediately and automatically, and there can still be such a wonderful country. to destroy everything that is there at a distance of

300-500 km, i think that moscow will very quickly find other arguments why it is necessary to stop this war, because it is theoretically possible to use nuclear weapons, but after that russia will no longer be able to, it is already it is clear to everyone, at first you see, they sent burns to naryshkin, to explain to him in the 22nd year that it is impossible to do that, well now he will be called at a much higher level and will also explain that such a step will be suicidal for the russian federation, so it is better to get away and negotiate on the basis of normal international law. mr. volodymyr, we have already mentioned these iranian missiles, which according to the americans were delivered to the russian federation, they are ballistic missiles, they fly there at a distance of 80 km, but they are called fatih. and, but it does not matter how many kilometers they fly, given the status of iran in the world, and

the sanctions that are in effect against this state, and the united states of america, great britain, and france introduced additional sanctions against tehran, against the leaders of iran, but for the world , the fact that iran is included, is more included in the russian-ukrainian war, than at first. drones, and now ballistic missiles, is this the red line for our western partners, beyond which they will do everything in order for russia to be defeated, defeated in this war. well, you see, from what we see and hear now, it hasn't become a red line yet. well ok yeah imposed sanctions on iran, on the main campaign, so included. on the sanctions list are several ships that transport oil and so on

and so on, well, this is not unprincipled, you understand, these are not the things that should be reacted to much more harshly, i think that, unfortunately , on the iranian issue, there is no solution either, because it seems to me that given iran's attempts to get... nuclear weapons, and these attempts are quite successful, and iran is really a few steps away from having such a bomb, then i i think that such sanctions are not very effective, it seems to me that important political decisions must be made here, such a development must be preempted, all the centers for the preparation... of these nuclear developments in tehran must be physically destroyed, and this is exactly

how to put this iranian regime in its place, because if it will announce that he already has nuclear bombs, it will be too late, and you understand what can happen when both israel and iran apparently do not have nuclear weapons, but somehow israel so delicately says that if necessary. then we will apply it, he can also say the same thing iran, and imagine what will happen to the entire region of the middle and near east. by the way, while you and i were on the air, blinkin announced that the meeting between zelenskyi and biden will take place this friday, september 13, in washington, and, as the secretary of state of the united states of america says, he came to ukraine. in order to find out what assistance is still needed for ukraine, in particular, regarding the issue of territorial defense in the near

future, that is, the meeting announced by zelenskyi with biden at the end of september, when the un general assembly starts, moved two weeks earlier, or a week, well two weeks earlier, does that mean that on september 13th we will hear some... important things from biden's mouth, and obviously it will be about long-range missiles that ukraine can use against russia, well , you see, vo said about two days or two weeks, because this information has been circulating for some time, so to speak, well, thank god that it will happen now in two days, it’s very me it seems to be positive news, i think that today president zelensky is in evening clothes the address will definitely talk about it, and i really hope that this meeting will really

move from this, well, not a dead end, but... not such a bogged down issue of long-range missiles, and most importantly, about the plan for our joint victory, because if we if we want to win this war, we must explain one simple thing to the west: this is not russia's war against ukraine, this is ukraine's war against the west, so if we want to put this aggressor in his place, then this is our joint task. and we do not ask the west for something, the west gives us something that will help him defend himself, but with ukrainian hands and ukrainian lives, and this, it seems to me, should be conveyed very clearly and clearly to the consciousness of the american president, as well as to the consciousness of other

leaders of the free world, if we are to... . give us a discussion that this is not our request, but our joint work and our joint task, then, i think, our western partners will look at it differently. this meeting will take place a few days after the first tv debates, which took place between two candidates for the presidency of the united states of america, kamala harris and donald trump, and the ukrainian issue was one of the... issues in these televised debates, usually trump used rhetoric about how he can quickly end the war in ukraine through negotiations, and kamala harris accused trump of his desire to surrender ukraine and promised ukrainians further support. let's listen to a fragment of this debate

on abc news. "i want this war to stop, i want people not to die by the millions, we gave a lot of money ukraine, more than europe, if you look, the number is huge, i have good relations with both putin and zelensky, they respect me and do not respect biden, and do not even communicate with him, we are now playing with vodnem regarding the third world. trump talks about ending the war, but he just wants to leave ukraine. i met with zelensky a few days before the full-scale war, i gave him intelligence on how they can defend themselves. and yes, we united 50 countries to help ukraine. and if trump became president again, then putin would already be sitting in kyiv and looking towards the rest of europe, starting

with poland. there was another interesting phrase, mr. volodymyr. about the fact that if trump were president, putin would eat him for lunch, friend putin would eat him for lunch, eh, did you watch these tv debates, what are your impressions of these tv debates, who was more convincing? you know, mr. sergey, i was waiting for this question from you, and i will tell you this way, we have no right to say who we like more, well, honestly, i think that it is not it should be done neither at the highest level, nor at the middle level, nor at the expert level, eh, preparations are underway for the election of the president of the united states, and this choice is the president, the choice of the american people, whether it will be trump or whether it will be harris, it is their choice, and we should

build their work, both with trump and with harris, on a normal basis. on a civilized basis, of course each of us has our likes or dislikes, so to speak, and i'll just refer to the quick assessments that the americans made, they said that harris was more convincing and that she, well, this debate won that 65% of those who watched this debate were americans... i mean, preferred harris, and that's why she already proposed to hold another debate in october, because... she was presented as what she can only smile nicely and gently, but is not too reactive, that is, does not respond quickly to certain questions, does not

know a lot, and so on. today, as american observers write, she has shown that she is well versed in all issues, both domestic and foreign policy, knows how hold a punch and can attack. so i think we just have to watch it. have a great relationship with the democrat party, have a great relationship with the republican party, work with the harris team and the trump team and wait for the choice the american people will make and then we won't have any problems believe me when we have a bipartisan and bicameral support, it will mean that we are conducting the right policy towards our main strategic partner, don't prove it... god, tell someone from the official somewhere that i prefer one or the other, that would be something

that we need, i think, to avoid at all costs, because then we, then we, well , in fact, will destroy the chances of having normal, general american support, in our affairs, because and uh... most of the republicans and most of the democrats are our friends, and we need to make sure that these friends, regardless of which party they are in, help ukraine, and this will be our main victory. mr. volodymyr, there was a rotation last week in the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine, i know that you know dmytro kuleba and andriy sebigu well, zelensky, commenting. recent changes in the ministry of foreign affairs said that we need to strengthen and understand the countries with which we work, in particular from latin america, with

the countries of africa and asia. let's listen to what zelensky said. what is this plan for? this is a plan to strengthen, seriously strengthen ukraine. and in my opinion, there will be. by the way, both psychological and political, and of a different nature, regarding the armed influence on the decision of russia to end this war, this plan must have been presented to the second peace summit, in order to force russia... to end the war diplomatically, if the partners support him, he will make it easier for ukraine, it will definitely make it easier for ukraine to force

russia to end the war. we listened to the president's position regarding the victory plan, and yet, i suggest listening to what he said about personnel changes in the ministry of foreign affairs. ukraine should be fully understood in all partner countries, in particular. in europe, ukraine needs much more meaningful relations and cooperation than there is now with the countries of latin america, with the countries of africa, asia. we must realize the full potential of strategic relations with the united states and with all countries that are key to their regions, but which do not yet have strategic relations with ukraine. we really need... a strategic level of cooperation, mr. volodymyr, this strategicness that president zelenskyi talks about was not there before, was it not enough, was it related to the minister, and

was it in general, well, in this situation, this decision actually does not change anything, because it is during the war, one leader of the foreign policy of foreign policy, this is volodymyr zelenskyi, well, you are right, mr. serhiy, in the constitution of ukraine it is written in black and white that the president implements the foreign policy strategy of ukraine. well, all the others are the people who help him in this. and the ministry of foreign affairs, and the minister of foreign affairs, and the cabinet of ministers, as a collective body, and the verkhovna rada, as a legislative body , and so on and so forth, that is, it is a clearly built structure that... ensures this single foreign policy course. of course, the ministry of foreign affairs plays an extremely important role, because it is that tool. through

which the main ideas and messages that the president spoke about are directly conveyed to the world, but it is also necessary to understand that there are floors, so to speak, of this job, there is a working ministerial level, there is a political level of the president, a political level of the head of the parliament, a political level of the head of the government , that is , here... in my opinion, there should be a single really approach to all questions, or do i want to go back to the first video, about which you asked about the peace plan, whether synergy of all these structures and elements of our foreign policy strategy is necessary here, yes, of course, because without it we will not be able to provide a general approach and general approach.

general implementation of these processes, are we talking about the fact that the ministry of foreign affairs can build a nuclear power plant somewhere in africa, no, he will never build one in his life, but we are talking about the fact that due to the involvement of diplomats at the first stage, for studying possibilities of everything else and so on, you can really come up with some necessary, interesting for ukraine's things, both political, economic, and military. and on down the list, so i think we should really be talking about this overall approach to dealing with all the things that we have on the agenda, including our push south, that is, into africa, asia, latin america, but for all that, let's still not forget that the largest and, i would say 90.9%

of the aid to ukraine for defeating our enemy is given to us by the countries of north america and western europe, that is, we should also understand that without their help all our beautiful political plans will not be implemented, that is why i think that this next zelensky summit will be so important. biden, zelenskyi's meetings during the work of the un general assembly, where he will meet with many leaders of western countries, so will others, but these negotiations will have a decisive influence on what is happening in ukraine today, and political framing and involvement in this of the process of the countries of asia, africa, latin america, well, this is, of course, this is only a plus, and here we can say that

interaction. one with the other and will give us the best result. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for the conversation, it was volodymyr ogryzko, politician, diplomat, former minister of foreign affairs of ukraine. friends, i remind you that we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching live there, please subscribe to our pages, be sure to like this video, participate in our survey, which today sounds like this: whether did you watch trump's televised debate and? garris, so it's pretty simple on youtube, yes, no, if you have a different opinion, or you want to write something about this debate, do it in the comments under the youtube broadcast, if you 're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or e-phones, vote on 0800 211 381 if you...