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to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. over the next hour , we will talk about how russia is trying to form an axis of evil with the participation of iran, china, north korea and syria, and of course belarus, and moscow's efforts to accumulate... read ballistic missiles that tehran provided it, and this is the biggest problem now not only for ukraine, but for the whole world, of course, those missiles that have already arrived in russia, they threaten ukraine, but they threaten the whole world. how will the world react to this, in what way, well, and most importantly, do ukrainians get permission to use western weapons when attacking russia. federation, we will also talk about

what is happening in sumy oblast, and what is the situation there with the resettlement of people, the evacuation of people from the border with the russian federation. today we will have two experts as guests: politician and diplomat roman bezsmertny and viktor boberenko, a political expert who actually lives in sumy, and i hope that he will share his impressions of what is currently happening on the border. with russian the federation however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch a video of how the fighters of the special unit of the ministry of defense destroyed the russian su-30 sm combat aircraft in the black sea by hitting it with manpads. and it was hurivtsi who showed this video. the fighter that fell into the sea belonged to the 43rd separate marine.

of the space military regiment of the russian federation, which is based at the airfield of the city of saka in crimea. let's watch this enchanting video. glory to the armed forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, we work in live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live on these platforms, please subscribe to our pages and

also take part in our survey. today we ask you this: do you expect long-range approval from the united states of america by the end of september. yes, no... everything is quite simple, if you have a separate opinion, please leave it in the comments under the video. if you watch us on tv, bring your smartphone or phone and vote by numbers. if you are waiting for a decision in the united states of america, 0800 211 381, not 0800 211-382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. i want to introduce today's. our first guest is roman bezsmertny, politician, diplomat, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to belarus in 2010-11, former member of the tripartite contact group for peaceful settlement of the situation in eastern ukraine. mr. roman, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. good

evening, mr. sergey. let's start our conversation with the iranian ones, which were delivered to the russian federation through the caspian sea. we are talking about 200 ballistic missiles that are now in service with putin's army, and it is reported that deliveries of ballistic missiles from north korea took place in parallel. can this situation with the iranian missiles be considered to be a... red line for our western partners, the line that the russian federation has crossed with iran, and that the response to the crossing of that red line will be quite tough and understandable for both countries. well, i

would say yes, the reason being that this answer has already been formed technically, that is , if you take it at the level of the headquarters and ministries of defense. the reaction to two arguments, namely the supply of ballistic missiles from iran, especially from north korea, which is not the first time, as well as the successful results of the kurdish operation, they prompted both london and washington to the fact that both the intelligence services and ... the ministry of defense made a positive decision on increasing supplies arms to ukraine, lifting restrictions and supplying high-precision and long-range weapons. however, this decision must be finally approved at the military-political level, that is, by governments,

presidents, well, depending on this or that country and competence, because in fact the supply of such types of weapons depends. from the purpose of further operations and the strategy and tactical tools that will be used, the visit to ukraine by the minister of foreign affairs of great britain, david lamy, and the secretary of state of the united states of america, anthony blinken, was not accidental. because it was about arguments for making a decision at the highest military-political level. both in london and washington. it is obvious that the conversation on this topic is not finished, because i say once again, if the technological, technical parameters are clear and the arguments are sufficient, then the conclusion of this conversation, obviously,

will take place after the dialogue on the 13th, that is, tomorrow's dialogue of the prime minister british minister keir stormer and the president of the united states of america, joe biden, because it is very important to understand that the resources that both parties have, as well as others allies covered the needs, based on the goal that stands and the strategy that will be implemented by the military and political leadership of ukraine during the war. it is clear that ah, this work is not limited to the dialogue between london and paris, forgive washington too, because it is necessary to connect those parties involved in the production of such weapons, this is italy, this is france, this is also the netherlands, and therefore it is clear that the dialogue will continue for a certain period. from my

point of view, its high probability of completion and receiving a positive response, should fall somewhere at the end of the session of the general assembly of the united nations organization, the so-called high-level discussion, this is no less than september 20. 28, but then there will be formalities that will have to be fulfilled, this is the signing of contracts and so on, that is from my point of view, the full stop in this case can be set somewhere in the middle of october, as for supplies, respectively, then it already depends on which warehouses and where to take the weapons, respectively, because they are available in... the pei states and it is clear that there is a positive here decision, because for all these categories

of weapons, which relate to high-precision and long-range weapons, literally in recent months, the orders of the ministry of defense of all the states i mentioned in relation to manufacturers have increased for the next year, well , 20, 2025, 2026, that is, from... from my point of view, there is only a further procedure, which should work out all the necessary answers, so that it will not be said later, as remember where they have been circling the congress for almost a year, looking for an answer to the question, is there a mr. fix plan or not? plan mr. fix, and in as a result, only this week we received a certain report on the strategy, that is, there are still some ... issues that need to be closed, but from my point of view, already starting from

last week, when they talked about something in their speeches, the head of the mi-6 richard moore and cia director william burns, speaking to reporters in london, made it clear that these decisions are at the final stage of the process. by the way, before the meeting between the president of the united states of america and the prime minister of great britain, which will take place on september 13, the guardian is already writing about that london has decided to allow ukraine to use stormshadow cruise missiles against targets on the territory of russia, but in the near future, as the publication writes, it will not be officially announced in order to avoid unnecessary provocations. citing its sources in the british government, the guardian. writes: the joint visit of blinkin and lemy to kyiv on wednesday to meet with zelensky would not have taken place if

a positive decision on stormshadow had not been made, but the british called the overly provocative and public statement about long-range missiles in kyiv, and therefore the statement was not was, the publication writes about this and adds that restrictions on strikes with a range of more than 300 km will continue to apply. anthony blinken, secretary of state of the united states of america, who was in kyiv on september 11 following negotiations with the ukrainian leadership, also did not directly announce the permission to use american weapons for strikes on the territory of the russian federation, but hinted that such permission may be provided soon. let's hear what blinkin said. we discussed range as well, and as i said at the beginning, i'll pass to the president in washington, i'll convey that... i've heard the president here, and david, he's going to do the same with his leaders, the leader, and

our presidents, they're going to meet later on friday, and at the united nations, and from the first day, as i already said, in our country we have adjusted, and in relation to the need it changes, it changes according to the situation, and i am not, i am sure that it will continue, the interesting thing is that today putin... publicly said that in the event that such permission is given to the armed forces of ukraine, it will mean that nato and ukraine's western partners entered the war on the side of ukraine, although... although, mr. roman, putin has been telling everyone in russia for the past 2.5 years that the russian army is not fighting against ukraine, but against the nato bloc and against the west, against the united states of america, but on ukrainian territory state, that's what he says and what his accomplices, volodin, piskov, say about the fact that we

will get another wunderwaffe superweapon there , which will allow us to win. ukraine, this is due to the fact that they do not know what the further actions of our partners and ukraine may be, and the fact that the 300-kilometer zone around ukraine, towards the eastern border, and abroad, beyond the eastern border of ukraine, will simply turn into the ruins of most of the factories, warehouses that have a military purpose, they are afraid that this will have... total consequences for russia, well, the first thing you need to understand is that they are able to get balalaika at this level, at the moment, and this was already clear about a year ago from the point of view of further development and the arguments that they can use military-technically, regarding the impression zone , then it is not only about

about the distance that you mentioned. we are talking about the impression of those positions and those objects that are infinitely capable of militarizing the economy and providing the russian army with the necessary weapons, especially missiles, especially airplanes, because actually in the current situation it is a violation of all the laws of war and humanitarian law. and the führer of moscow is talking about the social sphere, and in fact this, especially after the actions we have already discussed, became clear for the west, and therefore the process of finalizing a decision related to the lifting of restrictions and supplies to ukraine, certain equipment and

certain weapons, but that's not all, there at... this press conference, which was given by the three foreign ministers of ukraine, great britain and the united states of america, in the introductory speech , secretary of state anthony blinken said that it is not only about solving current problems, it is about the ability of the ukrainian economy to increase its potential and produce the necessary weapons itself, not only in the current one. situation, but also in the future in order to strengthen its defense capability and provide them after the current problems are removed, that is, in fact, during these conversations, it was not only about solving the current problems, but also about the prospects related to economic

growth, the formation of the defense-industrial complex. please note that at... in this briefing , both ministers had to answer this question several times, and they divided their answer into three parts: this is the answer to the current problem, that is, the withdrawal of the permission to supply the relevant weapons, missile systems, as well as the joint production, because it is not by chance that both sides mentioned the numbers that have already been invested, pay attention to how minister lemy argued his... position that we are not just helping, but we are carrying out joint production in several directions, the same was said for the first time and the secretary of state of the united states of america, here in this regard it is possible to talk not only about isolated and piecemeal solutions, which concern the fear and words that sound from

the mouths of the führer and his clique, one can also add shoigu there. and many, however, as you see, in this situation we have to listen to the führer of this moscow scumbag, it's worse for us to do it, let it blurt out what he considers necessary. our task is to discuss all the details with our partners, and to win this war as quickly as possible, so that this baldness does not spoil humanity and does not create problems for humanity, i am not saying, only ukrainian... military and civilian citizens were lost. another plush is russian foreign minister sergey lavrov cynically speaking during a conference in saudi arabia stated that russia with its invasion of ukraine. ostensibly protects human rights, and that is exactly what the peace talks should be about, if there are to be one. let's listen to what lavrov said. if you discuss calls for a ceasefire and

think about territorial exchanges, it is not serious. because the problem is not in the territories, the problem is in people's rights, which have been trampled under the law and which none of the initiatives floating in the political space mention. this is when we will see a serious willingness... to defend the same human rights that the west does raises its flags on any issue, but not on this one. when we see such readiness, i am sure we will easily agree on a place and time of meeting. mr. roman, lavrov is already negotiating, what should be agreed upon, or is he trying to say, no, why don't they want to talk with ukraine? well, the other day in... riyadh, a big forum was held at the summit of the persian gulf countries. and on

this forum, it went in the format of the persian gulf countries plus russia. lavrov was also there. he had several meetings with crown prince binsalman and the minister of foreign affairs by binfarkhat. and where ukrainian initiatives were discussed, which were voiced by the german side and others, including technical issues regarding the probability and possibility of the participation of the russian side in the peace summit, as can be seen from these meetings, because the meetings were with the leadership of the saudi arabia, a meeting from... with the indian foreign minister, dr. jaishen kar, and if you take those two separate meetings, what comes out of them, lavrov,

while there, continued the doctrine to implement the russian one, is to impose on asia and the world the russian security model, which does not provide for the existence of either... nato, or okus, or other military-political and military-defense associations, states, democracy and freedom. first, this means that russia continues to tour the path of strengthening such torpedoes for democracy as sco, brics, eurases, and others like them. however, in a meeting with... the indian foreign minister jai shankar, and it was already happening in the understanding that narendra modi can in this process, as the prime minister

india to play a role, including a mediator, and perhaps a person who will in principle play a key role in the process of the activity of such a unit as the summit, then the answers were: such evasive, that is , lavrov did not give an exact answer to these questions. instead, this speech to the press shows that moscow is trying in every way to form an anti-ukrainian, anti-american, anti-european position in the current situation from a certain number of countries that would not accept the fact that ideologues... a diplomatic solution situations, in principle those formats offered by ukraine, europeans, the united states of america or other

democratic countries. from this it becomes obvious that at this stage it is important for ukraine to initiate and talk about diplomatic and international efforts, but more important is to create a bulwark of categories. horn by force and drive this rat of moscow into a corner so that he has no way out, under the pressure of force, and force him, driven into a corner, to accept the conditions of a democratic world, and actually the first part of our conversation was devoted to this, and so this position of the mace and the gingerbread, it must now be as tight as possible, parallel. in order to, i emphasize this once again, force patsyuk to accept the conditions of a democratic world, well, as for the minister, the horse's

head, that's great. that he will say what he will be told from the kremlin. mr. roman, obviously, at the end of the year, maybe at the beginning of the next, the second peace summit is planned, and zelenskyi also talked about this peace summit, and during the visit of anthony blinken and david lamy , this format and the format that would allow it were also discussed. formulate this plan for victory, which the president of ukraine is talking about now. zelensky says that all key issues have been discussed with our western partners, it is important that ukrainian arguments are heard, he wrote about this on his telegram page, and this also applies to long-range weapons, the provision of combat brigades at the front and the general strategy of approaching a just peace. at the same time, zelensky

emphasizes that... the plan, which should be prepared and presented before the second peace summit, should affect the russian federation to end the war. let's listen to what zelensky says. as for the victory plan, i will be consistent and first discuss it with president biden, because it depends mostly on the support of the united states. this plan must have been presented to the friend. peace summit in order to force russia to end the war diplomatically, if the partners support it, it will make it easier for ukraine, it will definitely make it easier for ukraine to force russia to end the war. as in a situation, mr. armand, when there is actually an ultimatum putin, and this ultimatum is called the

capitulation plan of ukraine, how am i? in this situation, to force russia to go to negotiations or to discuss the plan to end the war, whether it is necessary to discuss it with them, or whether it is necessary to make efforts so that he himself wants to sit down at the negotiating table, if not with zelensky, then at least with mediators, as in this whole story that is happening, to force russia... to some, to some kind of concession in this situation? mr. serhiy, you can't help matters here with words, only force will work here, and in fact, what we are talking about now is the need to supply ukraine with high-precision, long-range weapons, the necessary number of them, the necessary provision of the armed forces of ukraine, the necessary actions of the allies in this regard.

in the plan, this is the very mace i am talking about, which will not only deal a blow, but also create, in fact, pressure, which will force the führer of moscow to ask for a dialogue, because if we consider here the diplomatic language, the table dialogues, whether directly or through intermediaries, they will not take any action against the moscow fuehrer. power factor, that everyone admits, from the genius creator of the number of plans donald trump, to the current official heads of most states, only the power factor can force the muscovy rat, being driven into a corner, into a corner, not to negotiate, but to ask for these negotiations, and from my point of view actually,

this is the focus of attention in the current situation. delivering appropriate point strikes, the presence of such weapons is a very serious and strong argument, and in this case, including, it is important to paralyze such antics of the axis of evil as north korea, like iran, like belarus, so that they don't hang around between their legs when they... will be driven into a corner, but in the current situation, this is exactly what we are talking about, because words in such a situation, well, they can only look like this gingerbread, but the key function should be played by the bulova kotyrozhka, and then we can say that we can also talk about ourselves, there are actually several of them here...