and we carry out joint production in several directions, the same was said for the first time by the secretary of state of the united states of america, here in this regard it is possible to talk not just about isolated piecemeal solutions, regarding the fear and words that sound from the mouths of the führer and his clique, it is possible to add shoigu and many others to it, but, as you understand... in this situation, we have to listen to the führer of this moscow scumbag, it is worse for us to do, let it blurt out what he considers necessary. our task is to discuss all the details with partners and how can we win this war as soon as possible, so that this bald man does not spoil humanity and create problems for humanity. i'm not saying that so many ukrainian soldiers and civilians were killed. one more thing. lyshiv, this is

the minister of foreign affairs of russia, sergey lavrov, during a conference in saudi arabia, cynically stated that russia allegedly protects human rights with its invasion of ukraine, and this is exactly what the peace talks should be about, if they are to be held, let's listen to what lavrov said. if discussing calls for a ceasefire and think about territorial exchanges, this is not serious, because the problem is not in the territories, the problem is in the rights of people who were... trampled under the law and about which none of the initiatives floating in the political space mentions. this is when we will see a serious readiness to defend the same human rights that the west upholds on its flags on any issue, but not on this one. when we see such willingness, i am sure we will easily agree on a place and time of meeting. mr. roman, lavrov is already negotiating, about what? it is necessary to agree whether he

trying to say no, why don't they want to talk to ukraine? well, the other day a big forum took place in erriyad, during the summit of the persian gulf countries. and at this forum, it went in the format of the countries of the persian gulf plus russia, lavrov was also there. he had several... meetings with the crown prince bin salman, with the minister of foreign affairs binfarhat, and where they discussed, including ukrainian initiatives, which were voiced by the german side and others, including technical issues were discussed with regard to the probability, the possibility of the russian side participating in... and peace, which is evident from

these meetings, because the meetings were with the leadership of saudi arabia, the meeting took place with the minister of foreign affairs of india, dr. jaishen kar, and if you take these two separate meetings, then what comes out of them, lavrov, while there, continued to implement the russian doctrine, that is to impose... on asia and the world the russian security model, which does not provide for the existence of nato, or the okus, or other military-political and military-defense associations, states, democracy and freedom. first, it means that russia continues to tour the path of strengthening such torpedoes for...

however, in a meeting with the indian minister of foreign affairs jaishenkar, and it was already taking place in the understanding that narendra modi can in this process, how the prime minister of india plays role, including that of a mediator, and possibly a person who will play in... in principle, a key role in the activity of such a unit as the summit, the answers were so evasive, that is , lavrov did not give an exact answer to these questions, instead, this speech to the press shows that moscow is trying in every possible way to form an anti-ukrainian, anti-american, and...

anti-european position in the current situation from a certain number of countries that would not accept the ideology of a diplomatic solution to the situation. in principle, those formats offered by ukraine, europeans, the united states of america or other democratic countries. from this it becomes obvious that at this stage it is important for ukraine to initiate and talk about diplomatic and international efforts, but more more important is to create a mace of cat peas by force and drive it away. moskovsky into a corner so that he has no way out, under the pressure of force, but to force him to accept the conditions of a democratic world, and actually the first part of our conversation was devoted to this, and this position of mace and gingerbread,

it has now, how can we go more closely in parallel in order to, once again, focus on this . to force ratsyuk to accept the conditions of a democratic world, well, as for the minister horse head, you understand very well, that he will say what he will be told from the kremlin. mr. roman, obviously, at the end of the year, and perhaps at the beginning of the next , a second peace summit is already planned, and zelenskyi also spoke about this peace summit, and during anthony blin's visit. and david lamy also discussed this format and the format that will allow ukraine to formulate this, this, this plan of victory, which the president of ukraine is talking about now. zelenskyy says that all

key issues have been discussed with our western partners, it is important that ukrainian arguments are heard, he wrote about this on his page in telegram. and this also applies to long-range weapons, the provision of combat brigades at the front and the general strategy of approaching a just peace. at the same time , zelensky emphasizes that the peace plan, which should be prepared and presented before the second peace summit, should influence the russian federation to stop the war. let's hear what zelensky has to say. regarding the victory plan, i will be consistent, and i will first discuss it with president biden, because he, in more. depends on the support of the united states, this plan must by had to be presented to the second peace summit in order to force russia to end the war diplomatically. if

the partners support him, he will make it easier for ukraine, it will definitely make it easier for ukraine to force russia to end the war. as in the situation, mr. norman. when in fact there is an ultimatum of putin, and this, this ultimatum is called the surrender plan of ukraine, in this situation, how can i force russia to go to negotiations or to discuss the plan to end the war, whether it is necessary to discuss it with them, or whether it is necessary to make efforts to for him i wanted to sit down at the table myself. if not with zelensky, then at least with mediators, as in this whole story that is happening, to force russia to some, to some kind of compliance in this situation, mr. serhiy, you will not be satisfied with words here,

only force will work here, and actually, about what now we are talking about the need to supply ukraine with high-precision... long-range weapons, their number is necessary, the security of the armed forces of ukraine is necessary, the actions of the allies in this regard are necessary, this is the mace of the cat that i am talking about, which will not only strike, but and will actually create pressure that will force the moscow führer to ask for a dialogue, because if we consider... diplomatic language over table dialogues, whether directly or through intermediaries, they will not take any action against the moscow führer. the power factor, which is recognized by everyone from the genius creator of the number of plans

donald trump, to the current official heads of most states, only the power factor can force the moscow rat, being. cornered into a corner is not to conduct negotiations, but to ask for these negotiations, and from my point of view, precisely on this and attention is emphasized. in the current situation, carrying out appropriate point strikes, the presence of such weapons, is a very serious and strong argument, and in this case, it is also important to paralyze such antics of the axis of evil, such as north korea, such as iran, such as belarus, in order to they did not hang around between the legs when the rat was going to be cornered. in the current situation, this is actually what is being discussed, because words in such

a situation, well, they can look like this gingerbread, but the key function of the majesty should be played by bulova cat peas, and then you can to say that it is possible to talk about the summit, it is true that there are several things that have been voiced here that are very difficult to combine, well, first of all, we knew a month... ago that the summit should take place before the elections in the united states of america, they will november 5. to be honest, if you look at the global political calendar, there is no room for it. as for the plan of presentation to president biden, it is obviously possible during this period, in particular, on the sidelines of the un general assembly. at the end of the current month, however it must be understood that at that moment it will already be

clear and obvious who will lead the parade and who will claim the crown in washington, from this it becomes clear that the topic of presentation and development of a joint plan will most likely pass several readings, and one of them will take place at the next ramstein, because the current... the fourth ramstein has only resulted in certain conceptual signals that relate to this plan. it is obvious that further joint work on it will be conducted. therefore, it can be said that the book is easy to understand that in relation to the führer, it is necessary to work in two directions, these are proposals that relate to dialogue, on the one hand, and on the other hand, with... the power to drive him and force him to take certain actions, what you

call, the ability to conduct a dialogue and to be compliant, i would formulate it harshly, the ability of the current rashistan to comply with the charter of the united nations organization and the world order and international law. against this background, mr. roman, many peace initiatives have appeared, already... scholz talks about his own plan and the italian newspaper la republica wrote this week that scholz wants to be the chancellor of peace, something reminds me, he is the president of peace, now the chancellor of peace, and scholz does not want to lose his position, the plans of china, brazil, india, that is, very, very many plans, but about of olaf scholz's plan, he... outlined his vision very briefly, it does not give a complete idea of ​​what scholz wants,

but it is more or less clear, because in an interview with the cdf television company he stated that the moment had come for peace talks with russia, which, in his opinion, should take part in the next one global peace summit, let's hear what scholz has to say. in my opinion, now is the time to discuss how we will move from this military situation to peace faster than it seems realistic now. it is important that we have another peace conference, and president zelensky and i agree that russia should be represented at it. zelensky says he knows nothing about sholtz's peace plan and doubts its existence at all. let's listen to what the president of ukraine said. regarding... scholz's peace plan to me nothing is known, there can be no plans

without ukraine about us, and i am not sure that such a plan even exists, therefore, taking into account all these peaceful, so-called peaceful efforts of various parties, what do you say, mr. roman, what is zelensky's victory plan will be different from all these endless... plans that are being prepared outside of ukraine. it is clear that this will be a ukrainian plan, and that it will be made by ukraine with our western partners. all other plans are, well, that kind of diplomatic papier-mâché that was prepared for the second summit peace? first, this is a bit of a broken phone, mr. serhiy, in this interview, tagi shau and tsdf, scholz says: supporting the plans of the president of ukraine zelensky,

zelensky's word is heard there. i think it's time to have a discussion about. the possibility of taking this road to a diplomatic solution of the issues, therefore the thesis about the so-called scholz plan is completely far-fetched, because there really is no plan, but why did olaf scholz come out with this interview on the 10th, because on the sixth, after meeting with the president of ukraine , he was told a phrase that flew around the world like a wild horse about the so-called scholz plan. so in order to capture all these conversations, discussions, this interview was made, but it is actually a response to the current situation in germany, because after the very good results of the thuringian elections in saxony, on the 26th, if i

'm not mistaken or 28, somewhere in these numbers, the land of brandenburg about will hold the next election, that is... the land around berlin, and although in all these lands the influence of the number of voters is small on the general german situation, however this is important from the point of view of the party situation of the social democratic party, that is why scholz took and saddled this horse of peace, but it goes in the fairway of the position of president zelensky, and therefore we... it is better, let's say, better and more productive to discuss the plan that is currently being prepared by the team of president zelensky, than to divert efforts to the phrases that were, and these include the chinese proposals, because they are called the proposal on the chinese plan, if you look at the title, and the joint proposals of china and brazil, which are made

out of six points, but there are actually two key ones, they can be reduced to one, i am not talking about the position of the african union, the proposals, because now viktor orbán is also excited, from those 12 points of the letter to the president of the european commission and so on, all this at the level of, let's say, informational messages, which are far from becoming commodities, or let's call them the menu on the negotiation table, now it is urgent, you can talk about it, but the first thing that is urgent, i will emphasize once again, is the formation of the power of the fist, which will drive the moscow führer in a state of necessity for him to accept the conditions of the democratic world, the rules by which the world lives today. well, by the way, you mentioned the china brazil

plan or china brazil peace settlement initiatives. the war of the russian federation against ukraine, zelensky said in an interview with brazilian television about these proposals, let's listen to the chinese-brazilian proposal - it is also destructive, it is just a political statement, i told lula, we handed over to the chinese side, let's sit together, let's sit together to talk, you, you are not our enemies and... we are not your enemies, why did you suddenly decide that you should take the side of russia, or be somewhere in the middle, how can you propose, we propose, this is our initiative, you did not ask us anything , and russia gets involved here and says, we support the brazilian-chinese initiative, we are not fools, what is this

theater for, that is, you talked about some initiative with russia. put forward this initiative and you say: let's take such an initiative, but president zelenskyy said in a completely undiplomatic way, we are not fools and there is nothing to make fools of us, and well, this also showed, among other things, that it is already visible that these peace initiatives have already pissed him off, but in this situation, mr. roman, another figure appeared, this is india and the ambassador of ukraine to india oleksandr polishchuk, he... in one of interview said that president zelenskyy is proposing that india join the peace process on the way to the second peace summit and play a much bigger role than being a courier between the leaders, well... meaning, i guess, that the second peace summit has to take place in india, is this an accidental interview, or is ukraine starting now to bet on india in this story, well, let's

do it for the first part, from my point of view , i am still convinced that the president should use a different rhetoric, i will not reveal these things further, at least it was enough to say that these are proposals and stop at that all. other epithets, they are not suitable for this, because in this process ukraine also needs brazil, i am not saying there in some role, including china, as for india, this is an interview of oleksandr polishchuk, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to of india, was given on september 9, to the indo news agency, a major news agency, one of the largest, that. the interview is given only as a result of receiving the circular, and the theses that must be voiced were written in the circular, it's just that i know this practice, i see the handwriting

of the ministry of foreign affairs, so this thing is agreed, this is not the ambassador's own position, this position was obviously developed on the bank, as for this role on the rendremod, it is not accidental after the return. from ukraine on july 27 there was a conversation between mods the prime minister of india and the fuhrer of moscow, where in his message on the social network x, and modi said that he shared his thoughts on the diplomatic solution of the situation, it was. a very soft, correct formula used by the indian prime minister, but after that the very serious work of the ministry of external affairs began, and today in matters

of preparation, working matters of preparation , qatar is working, saudi arabia is working and the ministry of external affairs of india has started to work , in this interview there is one beautiful passage. that from the point of view of ukraine, from the point of view of the president of ukraine, and india is too big a country to be given the status of its prime minister, just a postman, he deserves more, and this is read from the point of view of diplomatic language, as what kyiv is so unobtrusively proposing... the prime minister of india has the role of a mediator, he has started to work in this regard, as i said, the ministry of foreign

affairs of india is working, but you need to know this experienced man, who grew up and was educated by the rss system, this is the paramilitary youth organization of india where narend was brought up. from the age of eight, this organization was founded by the still famous tilak, the freedom fighter of india, and he has gone through a very serious school, he is brought up on such military, hindu rules, and so if he feels that it gives india a suitable pace, and there is a possibility form answers, he played'. plays, can play a key role in this process, but here you have to be very careful, because this man is not simple. thank you, mr. roman, for the conversation, it was a politician and

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will sum up the results of this vote. next, we will be in touch with viktor boberenko, an expert of the bureau of policy analysis from sumy. mr. viktor, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. sir, mr. victor, good evening, can you hear me? now we will redial mr. victor. today, sumyshchyna was once again subjected to a massive airstrike on konotop, a night attack. heads of the civil infrastructure of the city was purposeful, the spokesman of the main department of the state emergency service in the sumy region, oleg strilka, said on the air of our channel. let's listen to what oleg strilka said about what happened that night in konotop. they hit the infrastructure objects, realizing that they were hitting the infrastructure objects. a five-story and a four-story apartment

building were hit. realizing that withdrawal will be right there, and it will be exactly at night time, when people are resting, sleeping and are at home with their children, the removal to the educational institution, the medical institution and their damage, also in my opinion it was clear that it would be like that. the city, unfortunately, was left without electricity, there are problems with the water supply in the konotop, well, in general , the intensity of the attacks of the russian army on the... on the border with the kursk region, the enemy tries to attack both civilians and industrial facilities in the city of sumy. i hope that we will reconnect with viktor boberenko and he will tell us about

what is happening. now in sumy itself, and of course, of course, this is all connected with the fact that the enemy is trying to attack sumy oblast, sumy oblast is located on the border with the kurdistan region, there is a large contingent of the armed forces of ukraine in kursh oblast, are they conducting a counteroffensive or the attack on kurtshchyna, putin and his fellow students of war... crimes are commented on, they say that they will do everything to free kurshchyna from the armed forces of ukraine, what does president zelensky say? zelenskyi says that he confirms the russians' counteroffensive in the kurt region and the concentration of the military near the border in belarus, he stated this at a joint press conference with

his lithuanian colleague gitan. let's listen to what the president of ukraine said. the russians have started counteroffensive actions, this is according to our ukrainian plan. as for belarus , we have seen the clustering, we have seen it for a long time, we are monitoring this process. so, i will emphasize once again what i said president zelenskyi, that the russians have started counteroffensive actions, and this is according to our ukrainian plan. obviously , there will be some details of this plan, but later we will obviously see the actual results of this operation in kurshchyna, and we have victor boberenko in touch again, now the phone shows problems in sumy with the internet and with the light, as i understand it, mr. viktor, i congratulate you, you can hear us, i can hear you, good health to you, thank you for joining.