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espresso tv information day continues. well, now we will focus on ecology, but not on abstract ecology, but very specifically ecology. we understand that the enemy dumped several thousand tons of poisonous substances into the seim river, both from the territory of the russian federation and from the territory of the kursk region, de facto poisoning the seim river, and the seim river flows into the destu river, so to speak. our respective ecologists sounded the alarm, the poisonous water was moving to the dnipro, and we understand that the kyiv water intake is largely dependent on the water in the gums. well, now we will include in our discussion an ecologist, a representative of the relevant authorized bodies, we will talk about the situation with diet of chernihiv oblast. serhii zhuk, head of the state environmental inspection in chernihiv region, is in touch with us. mr. serhiy, thank you for joining us and we would like to... ask you what the current situation is in

chernihiv oblast, because this poisonous water has started to move from sumy oblast towards chernihiv oblast, and we would like to understand what the current situation is with the desna river. or it continues to be dangerous for people, and it should not be used by people in the context of bathing, collecting water, and so on. greetings from the studio, greetings from the audience, i can report that as of today , the pollution has stopped, there is a significant improvement, well, we can assume that polluting substances into the river seym have stopped, the river is gradually being cleaned, oxygen levels have returned to normal, there is still dark sediment at the bottom, but that's all.. water indicators

are in relation to the desna river, the pollution is moving along the desna river, and currently it has passed through the territory of the city of chernihiv and is descending towards the city of kyiv. at the moment, we can say that the peak pollution is around shestovytsia settlement, it is 15-20 kilometers from chernihiv. and kyiv is moving, the first, the first signs of the removal of substances can already be observed in the settlement of oster, it is behind a stream somewhere 20-20 km from the kyiv region. look, we would like to ask you specifically about the situation in chernihiv, yes, well, there are news that local residents are actively trying to stock up on bottled water, which stinks.

water from taps, well, we are not currently in chernihiv oblast, but we would like to ask you to describe the situation with drinking water from cranes in the city of cherni. to repeat again, neither the sumy region nor the chernihiv region has any drinking water intake from the seim and desna rivers, the city of chernihiv consumes artesian water from artesian wells, which are in no way connected with the desna river, in the city of chernihiv. chernihiv vodokanal is such that we consume water conditionally from the tap, now i can show, i drink water, well, from our tap, yes, it is not even modeled,

this is a bold step, we believe you, thank god, if it is so yes, i didn't prepare, i have i always have this water, in this, in the jug, it will not be. the best advertisement for chernihiv water, yes, well, let's hope that everything will be fine and calm with chernihiv, and if we take, for example, the restoration of the seim river, yes, at one time we could not understand what poisoning by organic substances means, well, later came to the point that it was most likely either russian pig farms or one or another sugar factory that were dropped, as there are more than five of them. 5,600 tons of pollution and so on, maybe it was sugar, or maybe they also mixed something in there, it's hard to say, the key story is the restoration of water resources, we understand that water for the chernihiv region is not only, so to speak, water intake, it is also livestock grazing,

fishing and so on and so on so on, well, the sejm is a legendary ukrainian river, the beauty of the north of ukraine, when it will recover approximately. i agree with you, but that the desna river is not a closed body of water, and it is the rivers that have the greatest capacity for recovery, i will tell you this if you come to the river now seim or the upper reaches of the desna river, and if we didn't know what a catastrophic situation there was two sundays ago, then maybe we wouldn't have been able to understand that something was there, well , because we can't see if it's there. fish or not, the mallards are walking now, the frogs are croaking, the ducks are swimming, but with regard to the usually large number of fish that have died, there are nuances here, and accordingly, yes, fish will come from the upper reaches, fish will rise from the bottom, fish will come in

cleverly, but certain individuals, which usually had an age there of 3, 5, 10 years, for their restoration, so that they went to the period spawning, accordingly, we need... for the amount of time, scientists are talking about two to three years for full recovery, and partial recovery for us to see that there is biodiversity, for us to understand that the river is alive, it takes much less time as for the restrictions for the time being, of course they must be followed, because the river still has a little time to clear itself, and the ban on swimming, fishing, watering cattle, watering vegetables will continue until we ... can clearly and clearly to say that this the ban should be lifted, but i would also like to note that the seym river flows through the territory of the russian federation, where active hostilities are currently taking place, and therefore to say that pollution will stop there at this very

second, well, we cannot say that, this is a key story , not because there are hostilities there, because this is the territory of the russian federation, we understand what the enemy is thinking. if it is possible, if it succeeds, if it works, then it can be repeated, unfortunately, we cannot rule out that they may go for a repeat of the ecocide. our task, how of ukraine, ukrainian society, the ukrainian authorities, to think of certain steps that could minimize the damage they can cause to our ecology and the psyche of our citizens, if they really wanted to pour into the seim river again, the sources of some... really on the territory of the russian federation another batch of all this, i don't know whether it's pig shit or something, i don't know how clever you are all those effluents from the sugar factory, but, that is, they can do it with a certain regularity, maybe some additional state program launch in order to prevent the poisoning

of rivers, uh, look, uh, there was already more than one meeting in, let's say, in the state commission on emergency situations, as well as in the ministry of environmental protection, regarding the development of just the scenario of a possible... repetition there and the prevention of such ecocidal phenomena, as far as i know the situation, instructions were given to the state emergency service and the corresponding profile state water agency, the state fisheries agency , regarding the development and installation of aeration plants, of course they will work out their purpose in the current situation, but they will be in reserve for possible, let's say , use. they can be used both on the seym desna river and on other

reservoirs, because we understand that this is the first time, no one has encountered this before, and everything is done, as they say, from wheels, so everyone the state bodies are ready for this, preparing for the future, and i believe that they worked quite, quite, quite effectively, thank you very much to the communities that connected and very... it was important to choose this dead fish just at the time when it began to die en masse, since it, upon repeated, let's say, decomposition, gives the same poisonous substances, it was very important to choose it as quickly as possible, so that it did not decompose and did not carry pollution towards the city of kyiv , towards the drinking water intake. mr. serhiy, i understand that you are responsible for the chernihiv region, but you, as a specialist , can give the people of kyiv an understanding of how quickly or in... how long this water from the desna river can reach the capital, so that people

could prepare for this in advance. well, look, you can prepare for this ahead of time in such a way as not to create panic. the responsibility for water supply lies with the public utility kyiv vodokanal, which monitors water daily and, well , yesterday there was a speech by the manager, who assured that in principle they are ready for the most pessimistic consequences, that is, for the most pessimistic scenario. this is the biggest pollution. currently, we are observing a decrease in pollution, an increase in the dilution of polluted water with clean water, an increase in the level of oxygen, well, for the reasons that there was a little cooling, a little. it rained and all these factors plus fishing, plus coordinated work, let

's say, of communal services and local self-government bodies, gives hope that the water will reach the water intake with the least amount of pollution, even if it is polluted, the water utility has developed programs there , bought certain substances that will allow for further cleaning and the water utility says that they will stop water intake, well, they will not be concerned. fishing, of course, there are regional solutions of civil administrations regarding the ban on swimming and fishing, this must be followed, stay there for 2 3 4 5 days, as long as it takes, and do not endanger yourself and other people, do not set a bad example, in the chernihiv region at least you can orient yourself when will it be safe to do it and swim and take water from those rivers, is it difficult to make forecasts now, it is difficult to make forecasts now, i explained to you... why, because the seim river does not flow only through the territory of ukraine, and yes, we

understand, but if there will be no repetition of repetitions acts of ecocide, then how long will this river be conditionally safe for human use? i will tell you, according to all the indicators that we measure, it is now close to what it was before it was said, but you said that the restrictions are still going on now that they are going to be lifted? and hostilities and water with certain pollution still comes from the territory of russia, it is absolutely not so intense, it has a different composition, but it is partially there and needs to be monitored, so lifting all bans now is not rational, you understand, got it, thank you for your work, and just one last thing, if we talk, well , compared to the global catastrophe, the danger, this is a smaller story, but the restoration of the fauna. of the seim river, in particular stocking, we understand that there was a rather

specific fish fauna, yes, and the key story is that, somehow, it is now being stocked in an accelerated mode, with the corresponding endemics that lived in the seim, and not that some bulls were manured there or something else there, well, look, the question is that the seim is quite a river long, it is only on the territory of ukraine. there are still about 400 km, and it will be filled with different breeds that were there before, well , we understand, there are red books and so on, it's simple. there are no such capacities in relation to reproduction, well, there are no conventional farms where pike perch are grown, yes, some such fish there , bighead or something else like that, you can throw in a little, but the river is not closed , the reservoir is not closed, tributaries go to it, tributaries go from above, go from below, the fish is like that it's such

a thing that she will find a food base for herself will quickly go upstream. it will come from the tributaries, it will grow a little, it will come from the gums, it is not so catastrophic, we calmed down, mr. serhiy, thank you, serhiy zhuk, the head of the state environmental inspection in the chernihiv region was in touch with us, take into account all the information, some just now literally heard, but now we move on to the next topic: volodymyr omelchenko, director of energy and infrastructure programs of the razumkov center, is already in touch with us, mr. volodymyr, congratulations, congratulations, glory to ukraine, heroes glory, what is the enemy? regularly hits the objects of our power system, so unfortunately there is nothing new in this, we do not have information about the extent of the destruction, yes, but we were once again warned that there will be another shutdown in the regions and regions of ukraine, here this night, russia fired at energy facilities in six regions of ukraine, including

ivano-frankivsk, zaporizhzhia, odesa, sumy, kharkiv and donetsk regions, well , we understand, last night the russian... drones flew over or tried to attack the khmelnytsky nuclear power plants, well re-introduced blackout schedules and now we would ask you to analyze the current growth, that is we, well really, it may be some kind of state or energy secret, we do not have information about the destruction of this night, yes, but the enemy has made it his goal to strike and strike and hit our facilities with the power system, which was already seriously injured. your word, mr. volodymyr, well, not only the word significantly, is probably not very suitable, since the destruction or damage was initially full of large-scale aggression, 70% of the entire existing generation, including the generation that was already occupied, yes, that is, you know that much is

still under occupation, so today we only have about a third of that... or what was before the large-scale aggression, or about 9 gigawatts of power, as for today's strikes, well, according to my data, that is , there is indeed serious damage at the level of regions, this primarily concerns the city of konotop, other regions there, but to say that it is somehow critical was reflected on the whole on the whole energy system, i wouldn't say that, in principle, according to ukroenergo's notification, today we do not expect any schedules of hourly outages, but this does not mean that everything is fine with us in the system, no, we just need to understand that now we have entered enough a favorable climate period, when on the one

hand we have a lot of sun and the temperature is favorable, that is... solar power plants produce a lot of electricity, there is no need to turn on air conditioners, and it helps our energy system, but on konotop, mr. volodymyr, you mentioned konotop, so we understand that it is the district center, the sumy region, well, a powerful heroic city and so on, where and where the enemy was hitting there, and how problematic it can be, well, you know, we can’t with you... i just don’t know if there is some kind of power station there, some kind of heat there, whether it is local or regional, even local distribution networks are like in every area, yes, but it does not affect the general situation, it affects only the local situation is very bad so well, yesterday the mayor of konotop was on the air, had

the opportunity to communicate with us, there is already light in konotop, thank god everything is fine , young man of energy, they tried to do it. everything is possible to restore the light to people, but look, i would also like to ask you about the information that appeared in bloomberg, the strikes of the russian federation on the substations of ukraine, a serious threat, and they say, even that can provoke an emergency situation nuclear power plants, it is said that there are thousands of power substations in ukraine, but under the threat is 10 key nodes connected with nuclear power plants, the destruction of these nodes can plunge ukraine into darkness and provoke a radiation on... normal situation, that is, we correctly understand that some kind of total blackout is not a scarecrow, if the russians will further to continue shelling the cl... nodes, it is quite likely that ukraine may be in a blackout. well, this is not some kind of news, i am talking about this , what bloomberg wrote, he also published his

post on facebook on august 27, when immediately after the hybrid attack on nuclear power plants in ukraine, i said about it for the first time, that it was a hybrid attack specifically on nuclear power plants, then all this was supported and there was news at the level of the mht. voices in other editions, i also gave an interview on this matter, and what will it be, to be more specific, well , if they continue to beat on these nodes, what consequences will this have? we have to stop nuclear power plants, what should we do? well, the consequences can be different, you understand, for example, well, for example, the consequences, first of all, if you hit someone substations located near nuclear transmission system operators. stations working to supply power from nuclear plants, then nuclear plants go into off-design mode of operation, this means that not only can the supply

of electricity to the network be reduced, but also a nuclear incident can occur, you understand, that is the danger of such strikes , and therefore it is very necessary for the magathe to take this into account, deploy its... deploy its inspectors at its given substations and investigate, investigate the situation, as well additional protection of the air defense of these substations is needed, er, because this is really, really, really they found a weak spot, and these are essentially strikes not on the energy system as a whole, but specifically a hybrid strike on the nuclear plants of ukraine, and our energy workers coped with it only and only for two reasons. the first reason is that , after all, we had first- and second-level engineering protection in the ukrenergo system, and

the second reason was that we had trained personnel and appropriate equipment at nuclear power plants prepared for these situations, which was able to largely neutralize these nuclear threats. look, mr. volodymyr, i still wanted you. ask, god forbid, about the so-called bad scenario, yes, if the enemy can achieve certain successes in destroying our distribution facilities, and at the same time clarify, so what about our shelter system, yes, that is, first we throw billions there, all for shelter , let's build a shelter, let's cover everything, i don't know, with reinforcement, concrete and so on, then they say, but no, well, in general, it doesn't justify itself, well, i as i heard... you know, this is some kind of opening, neural connections are happening, you are still in shock, but we don't have much time, a minute of time, well, you know that

the ministry of reconstruction was engaged in the construction of third -level engineering facilities, seven facilities they built, none were built, they spent more than uah 140 billion, then they stopped, everyone in the government understood that there was no money for it. and in my opinion , a more effective strategy was used by the ukrenergo company when they built the first-second level protection, it is much cheaper, than the third level and made a reserve reserve, reserve, reserves of reserve equipment, which could be quickly changed after shelling, it seems to me that the second strategy is much cheaper, much more dynamic and... should be used than building huge structures for huge money state, and it is not known when they will end. ugh, well, but in any case, so to speak,

for some reason the head of ukrenergo kudrytskyi was fired, yes, but herman galushchenko remained in his position. well, but, so to speak, we will figure it out a little different time. unfortunately, ethereal discipline forces us to say goodbye. thank you. volodymyr omelchenko, director of energy and ins. structural programs of the razumkov center. we are going to a break, after which there will be news, wait, we will continue in the next hour. tired of the mess in the kitchen, constantly having to sort through a bunch of pans to find the right one. you need the savory pro kit. unpack the tv. savory pro pans fold into each other and take up so little space. and the price is only from uah 999. set. pro is a five pan from one to 9 liters with lids for any occasion, use them on the stove and even in the oven, the pots are made of damage-resistant stainless

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