does he communicate with muscovites at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, he also went to kursk, and where is the result, why does the zaporizhia nuclear power plant continue to be under occupation, and various sabotages continue, which, in fact, the people of nikopol who see these sabotages, in fact, because of a big meadow, so to speak, and the cooling tower was on fire recently, well... who says that if there was no magate mission it would be even worse. please evaluate what work was done during these years of the great war, the full-scale invasion the head of the ministry of defense and experts, analysts, representatives of the mission? well, first of all, i think that the presence of the magate mission at the zas is useful, because we lost sources of information, well, maybe some special services have sources of information from the as, but for example in... there were not

many personal contacts, and all these personnel left for the controlled territory, this is, firstly, secondly, worse, they are there as independent observers, it is clear that magateni's mandate provides, for example, what kind of demands to the occupying administration, for them to make any technical decisions, no, but they... well, they write messages that are trusted by the international nuclear community, because we blame russia, russia blames us, and when the mission appeared, and now for the last year, i was i am surprised that they began to write more such frank and such reports, for example, that they began to distinguish the exits of anti-aircraft missile barrel artillery... next to anti-aircraft missiles, or arrivals,

they had figured it out before, figured it out, although they are not military experts, they must be an accounting inspector there control of nuclear materials, because the iaea was created to monitor the implementation of the treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, and accounting and control of nuclear materials is the main function, and among the employees of the iaea are only people who... with accounting and control of nuclear, they have the following positions: inspector, others are experts, from nuclear safety, from traditional safety, from operational safety, and so on, he cannot say that this shelling was carried out by russia, because russia has recently been writing its notes, according to at the invitation of the russian side, the magathe mission.

that is, as soon as they write the truth, they will not be invited to zas anymore. the second point, now we have not had a head of permanent representation at international organizations in vienna since november 23rd, and when the kursk military operation began, the russians, well, they started... provocations, writing notes, for example, on august 9, a note was registered , in which it is written that on prommaydanchik kurs, we found fragments of rockets, followed by the phrase: facts of direct shelling of chickens, kurskas, energy structures the course is not recorded, then on august 11, a fire at a cooling tower with

accusations from ukraine that two drones hit , despite the fact that the cooling tower has radio electronic warfare equipment, there are wall observation devices that need power supply, and the fire was because there these sources are reliable from the zaporizhzhya as, they said, a generator with fuel reserves, so such a powerful fire was spectacular with smoke. that's all black there, there were no nuclear radioactive materials 2 km from the power units, i.e. there was no danger of nuclear radiation, but this is as part of the preparation of an informational statement to accuse ukraine, that we intend to buy the kas course, and by the way, unfortunately, our ukrainian political scientists, political technologists, who... comment on all

the issues, they started conspiracy theories there to develop, which must be occupied in order to exchange for zas, or something else, but we are unlike russia. we comply with international obligations, and for example, my own military, and i know how difficult it is to comply with the geneva conventions for the treatment of prisoners of war, and it is a risk to life, when you take them out of the front line, that is, the purpose of the kursk operation is completely different in my opinion, no one is going to fire there, the russians are there again... well, they met in person all august, the head of the post-revolutionary russia, ulyanov, met with grossi, persuaded him to go to kursk , he arrived, they insisted that he admit that this was the result of the shelling of kurs

by the ukrainian armed forces, but he also did not say anything, that is, the work of magate is actually quite important, not just declarative, as many people said at the beginning , and this really useful steps, as it is now really timely according to energoatom's announcement that magate will expand the representation of its monitoring missions on ukrainian infrastructure facilities that have an impact on the safety of nuclear power plants. i think it will be good, especially when such mass attacks will unfortunately continue. well, for example, why did such a proposal arise from the ukrainian side? because on the 26th they were on the verge of a radiation accident, why? when, for example, something gets into the transformer near the as, the distribution device near the as is open, then a the emergency protection system stops

the power units as scheduled, the chain reaction and safety stops, this time the russians hit the transformers not next to the as. but somewhere the second line is like this, but they are important for power output, they also hit, and fluctuations began in the network and the reactors did not know how to behave, that is, on august 26, i will also remind the audience that the attack was just at the exits from the nuclear yes, power output from atomic blocks and i think that the magate mission will, well, in fact, help to control the situation, if not to put pressure on russia, as you say, then at least record, record, well, yesterday the first such visit was in the city of magatec, the nearest one is somewhere there, they are also in khmelnytskyi, in

rivne, in south ukrainian, that is , they recorded the destruction, the degree, there will be a technical report, it is clear that such... . there are many facilities in ukraine on which security depends, and we were actually on the verge of a blackout, that is, the breakdown of the power system of the union in part, and the first, third, and fourth power units of rymna stopped according to regulations, and the power unit of khmelnytskyi worked, issuing a powerful non-united power system to poland through the line. i liked it and then the south ukrainian one because of fluctuation or changes in cleanliness , non-regulatory and so on. what else is dangerous is this, as an engineer says, opening a safety valve is dangerous, and it sounds like an explosion, and it

sounds like an explosion in the first circuit and the loss of the coolant of the first circuit, this is water. which directly cools the heat-releasing assemblies in the reactor core. fortunately for us these valves closed, but if they had not closed, it would have been like three island in the usa, an accident from the melting of the core, when the loss of coolant goes on, the melting of the core with the release of radioactivity, in 1979 , the usa had such a thing, that is, it is very dangerous, and the fact that... i wrote an official note, it is correct, and only after this already, when the note was in public access, our regulator, the regulatory state, wrote something, the minister is now actively promoting these

dangers for the au, that is, on the one hand, the russians allegedly comply with article 56 of the additional protocol to the geneva conventions, which says: what not you can fire nuclear weapons stations or dams, which contain dangerous forces for the population, well, you see, they do not specifically fire at the object. but the second generation line, well, they designed it, soviet times, they know these vvr 1000, vvr 440 that we operate. well, i think that in the second part of our program with olga kosharna, we will talk about the sanctions that, according to the ukrainians of the international community, should be introduced against rosatom, this is important, because rosatom knows about the construction of ukrainian nuclear power plants, which is why such massive sanctions continue. still. let's take a break and we'll be back in the studio in a moment. laughter, physical

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energy and safety. espresso-interview guest. so, ms. olya, we stopped with you on such a delicate but strategically important topic, namely sanctions against rosatom. they are talked about in the european union, in the states, great britain, but here dare to implement restrictions against a large. corporations, which in fact unleashed their, well , claws on all continents, don't dare, they talked about the 10th and 11th, it seems, a package, but there... nothing happened. in your opinion, how important is it now to at least start with something to tighten the nuts and bolts of the dewy one? well, this is very important, sanctions and personal sanctions against the management of the state corporation and against some companies connected, well, in

rosatom, there are many companies, both engineering, and production, and with nuclear fuel cycle and so on, the usa, great britain and ukraine used them. as for european countries, because of the personal position of slovakia and hungary, which, for example, issued a license in the 22nd year for the construction of aspak according to a russian project for russian loans, but there will be no consolidated sanctions against rosat. moreover, on the part of france, it supports ukraine, even macron said that he does not mind if there are french troops on the territory of ukraine, but the state company fromatom created together with the russian company twel on territory of germany, a joint venture to produce heat generating assemblies for the soviet fvr 440 reactors under the license of the russian

tv company. well, it's double standards, first of all, that's why i believe that we should work with the colleagues of the european states of the european union so that they apply, starting with personal sanctions against the leadership. likhachev, there is the head of the corporation, he goes to vienna there, meets magate, wars, you know, and so on. as for the projects, rosatam's portfolio of orders is 140 billion dollars to the whole world all over the world, i see that bangladesh is building there, turkey, india, china, egypt, now kazakhstan is considering already some memoranda are being signed, uzbekistan, kyrgyzstan, and they are building not only nuclear power plants, for example, in kyrgyzstan they have a hydroelectric power station, but also

a small, small there is a modular russian reactor, that's why. i believe that our partners, who have authority and influence on the governments of, for example, egypt or bangladesh, somehow behind the scenes, they have to negotiate somehow, well , here we must say what is not only happening construction of objects, here countries are being forced to use nuclear fuel, russian, tv companies, ukraine has already refused and uses american house, it is possible to take the first step. these are really sanctions against twela and for those countries that , unfortunately, already have nuclear power plants built by russia, to switch to another nuclear fuel, well , this is also a paradox, because back in the 14th year , the european commission issued a communication, which was devoted to energy security of europe,

and for the first time it was analyzed what types of energy resources it depends on. each state from imports, and it was recommended in 14 to look for another supplier, the second, to diversify the supply of nuclear fuel for soviet projects, there are 19 such reactors now, when the full-scale invasion began, first in march 22 , finland abandoned the russian project, they planned new construction, and now finland has also already... announced that they bought a batch of westinghouse fuel for vvr 440 reactors, you see, something can be done, that is, where 12 years were lost, well 12, 10, and why only finland perhaps, well, now they were united, the czech republic is also on this path, there are movements, but it is not very fast,

unlike gas, raw materials, this is a technological product. it is necessary to carry out research and operation there, that is , it takes four years, and now they have united and are using the ukrainian experience of introducing westinghouse fuel, we are also on 440s, previously vvr 1000 westinghouse fuel, and now last year we loaded the first batch for vvr 440, the first rivnesky on one of the blocks, but while this zone will be fueled by one manufacturer, several fuel stations are needed companies, three or four years, well, if there are such... specific examples already exist, i think that the european union really needs to make some economic restrictions, some sanctions, at least insignificant, against rosatom

based on such real stories as with finland, as and with ukraine, which uses american fuel for nuclear reactors, well , if we talk further about atomic energy in the world, where ukraine is integrated, in particular in the european union, how much is the rate between. people's community does on renewable energy sources, or after all will the peaceful atom remain one of the main suppliers of electricity for many years? i think the best mix is ​​renewables with nuclear power, because we have to fulfill the paris, the paris agreement on climate change, and now there are a lot of projects like that. the trend now is towards the development of small and medium-sized modular reactors, there are already more than 80 different projects, and the pioneer is canada, they have such territories,

northern ones, where, for example, like in russia, here is the northern sea route, yes, there only there 30 days a year you can start diesel fuel, they adopted at the state level the program, implementation. small and medium-sized modular reactors, they selected three different technologies, three different suppliers, and the first unit should be operational in the 28th year, we have time to monitor how the process is going, that is , to select the best technology after the victory, and i believe that the future of nuclear energy in ukraine, the era of giantism... is over, that is, we are moving to modular reactors, to modular ones, for example, i know that the dtek company considered these technologies in order to build them, and what about the invasion, to build them on

sites of coal-fired thermal power plants, and now, in fact, akhmetov is left without a business in thermal generation, because the russians damaged everything, and this is the direction of his renewable sources, such as batteries. and i think that there are early investors, the company is american-ukrainian, where andriy kobolev is also there, they studied the possibilities of industrial localization, production of these reactors and so on here, and i think that this is the future of nuclear energy in ukraine together with the development of hydrogen generation and solar wind, but that's about it here is the near future? this is a really difficult winter, which is waiting for us distributed generation, which was announced by the authorities, to what extent the energy of the sun, wind, water and indeed nuclear

power plants can balance in the conditions of the shelling of the russian federation, because i will remind you, well, don't go anywhere, they will continue in terms of energy infrastructure facilities, they will be, i'm sure, well, first of all... wind and solar, they need to be balanced, because wind is even better than solar, because the wind also happens at night, we had a skew in in other countries of the world, 70% wind generation and about 30% solar, but we had the opposite, because the tariff was included in the law, the law named after the klyuyev brothers, i call it, that is, they tied it. the value of a kilowatt to the euro is in the law, not the resolution of the national energy regulatory commission, so that it can be canceled, that is, and that is why it gave an impetus to

development, but it is not proportional, it is not balanced, and well, we have what we have, but we lost that 18 gw electricity generation of various types, including wind power generation, in particular in the occupied territories, which are no longer in our power system, you understand, that is... for example in kherson part of the region is occupied, there are many wind power plants there, which were useful now, but yes, that's why i see the development for balancing gas turbines on gas pistons and power plants on biogas, but about biogas , one of such objects saw a fairly recent solution, it's true , this is a modern small... compact complex, it is clear that a little, maybe the smell is not so unnatural from it, but nevertheless, it is an investment, it is local. certain, and this is

a natural resource for providing electricity, in fact, even a small one paradise center. in your opinion, as far as possible, not at the state level, but at the level of companies, businesses, such objects can become powerful and powerful for entrepreneurs, well, i hope for ukrainian business, for private investments for self-sufficiency , and that's already the process has begun , i believe that it is necessary... to attract private business there on the basis of public -private partnership, even for a small and medium-sized nuclear reactor, it is also possible, that is , to provide for your company, plus society, so definitely, and i believe that , for example our partners or investors are foreign, they should cooperate with territorial communities, i believe that this is centralization, as

minister hlushchenko wants everything. to manage everything, no, it is impossible, it is impossible to coordinate, i see that he manages poorly, i coordinate, for example, the energy support fund, where the donors are, i recommend to my colleagues there , abroad, and in poland and so on, to communicate and to communicate with territorial communities, and this will be very productive, but are there certain cases of successful territorial ones? which is possible the most independent prepared for the winter , installed perhaps such small biodiesel plants or large generators, which villages can at least socially provide such infrastructure with electricity, well, i took part in the transmission of khmelnytskyi regional television, and khmelnytskyi, as an example, they went

to the maximum for three years. to provide technical infrastructure, ternopil and zhytomyr, these are the mayors, in fact, the mayors who go there to international conferences, attract investments and so on, so i think that this is the hope for preserving the normal conditions of which, here the investor can specifically come to a certain location and see the object, know exactly where he invests money, in which institution. in particular, i monitor international revenues . the government announces record amounts for energy and social payments to support business, but i would like to see a specific calculation that society,

public. don't you see where that hryvnia, dollar or euro went? well, here are my colleagues, experts, independent public organizations, associations of energy efficiency of cities there, and so on, they conduct trainings on how to draw up a business plan for a specific project, and when the community comes with such a business plan already, for example, well, i don't know of such cases where the territorial community allocated something from the energy support fund managed by the ministry for specific projects , i'm like that... unfortunately, i don't know, well, if we talk about global financing by international partners for a minute, it's still interesting what global projects are currently being implemented by the ministry of energoatom, well, energoatom, global projects, preparatory work at the x3 x4 site without any regulations, well , they are restoring some crane there for 260 million.

they are buying some construction wagons like battle tanks and something else, but there is no law that allows already to develop a working project, and i do not like that russian reactors are being purchased in bulgaria, it is planned, ugh, but the bulgarians were informed again today that they have postponed for another 180 days the decision on the sale of the energy atom of this equipment, indeed there are still questions, but... time, unfortunately, no more olga kosharna, an independent expert on nuclear energy and safety, was a guest at espresso. i will say goodbye to you, stay with us and watch us.