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change in the nature of the conflict. the kremlin will consider granting ukraine permission to use long-range strikes against russia as a western weapon, nato's direct participation in the war. what appropriate decisions is putin threatening western allies with. demilitarized zone and rejection of nato. trump's main ally voiced dubious conditions for the wars that his boss might launch if he wins the us election. will the two-party american system survive? support for ukraine? glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory.

let's talk today about the situation in kurshchyna. the russians have launched a counteroffensive, which will end this counteroffensive of putin's army. i hope we will learn today from our experts, who will analyze the situation, which is developing not only in kurshchyna, but also in the world in general, and is connected it is with the possibility or impossibility of ukraine to hit the territory of the russian federation with long-range western weapons. in... part of our program, we will have as guests general serhiy krivonos and my colleague, journalist roman tsimbalyuk, who has worked in moscow for quite some time and knows russian politics very well. in the second part of our program, which will start in an hour, we will have a traditional friday journalism club, and its guests will be larisa volushyna and kateryna nekrecha, and i hope that you will wait for the second part of our program.

dear friends, but before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch a video of how ukraine returned 49 military and civilian soldiers from russian captivity, among them for the first time in many, many years, 23 women, in particular, it was possible to free another part of the defenders azovstali, a tight video meeting of the heroes was put out by the coordination headquarters for the treatment of prisoners of war, let's see, son, can you hear me? mouse, i'm already home,

cat, hello, daughter, hello, i'm already home, mom, i'm already in ukraine, everything, everything. actually we realized that we were going home some hours ago, because we were attacked, we didn't even know where we were going. somewhere, about 3 hours ago, we get on the buses, we already understand that we are going home to our land. deed, we will lay down for our freedom and show that we are... brothers of the cossack race. this is really a very poignant video. glory to the armed forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, during this broadcast of ours, we are conducting

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give the most prompt information, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, i want to introduce today's first guest, this is serhiy kryvonos, major general for... pasa, former first deputy commander of special operations forces and former deputy secretary of the national security and defense council , mr. general, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. mr. general, let's start our conversation with the situation in kurshchyna. the pentagon confirms the beginning of a certain type of counteroffensive by the russians in the kursk region, but considers this offensive to be insignificant, the spokesman for the united states department of defense said. major general pat ryder. let's hear what ryder said. you know, we saw that russian units began to try to conduct a certain type of counteroffensive in

the kursk region. at this point i would call these actions are minor, but it is obvious that we are watching what is happening there. well, president zelenskyi said. that this counteroffensive of the russians in the kursk region follows the plan of ukraine, i am a literal quote, now let's listen to what he said. the russians have started counteroffensive actions, this is according to our ukrainian plan. as for belarus , we have seen the clustering, we have seen it for a long time, we are monitoring this process. mr. general, how do you rate now. the situation in kursk, after the americans and after the president, it is quite difficult to comment on certain words, but meanwhile, talking to those who are currently in the armed forces, i will say that the battles are going on at the tactical level, i also said

the day before yesterday that in certain areas the enemy is trying to advance, probing our weak points and wanting to use... these weak points places, this is his constant tactic, at the expense of such tactical-level battles, to feel where you can then increase your efforts. well, regarding these counteroffensive actions, to what extent can the russians develop these counteroffensive actions and approach the date of october 1, as putin once said that by october 1, kurshchyna should be dismissed from the armed forces. well, i'm more interested in the inability of the russians to attack. they have them, i am more interested in our capabilities to counter the offensive desires of the russians, first of all, what we have in terms of the number and quality of drones, in terms of the number of operators who control these drones of various levels in order to disrupt the enemy's intentions in time, plus artillery, which can

hit the enemy at long range, plus trained and motivated personnel in our military units, but in case... the armed forces of ukraine will have to withdraw from kursk region, probably sooner or later it will happen in some perspective, because it is clear that ukraine will not be on the territory of kurshchyna for a long time, and russia will always have more weapons, more people who will displace the armed forces of ukraine in the sumy region , that in this case, if we predict what will happen to the region from which ukrainians actually entered the territory of ukraine, the sumy region, will putin not want to turn this region into a sanitary zone, as they say, well, they have long had this in their wishes and they have clearly laid out plans to... destroy ours of the border strip from the russian federation into

such a gray area, they will not stop and directly choose the most brutal methods of destruction, both for buildings, and directly for the entire infrastructure, and for people, this must be clearly understood, therefore, active actions on the territory of the kurdish region of the armed forces of ukraine, delayed this moment, and perhaps they will make this moment possible with regard to the impunity of the russians. another zelensky, forgive me for quoting so much zelensky, because he comments on the situation in korshchyna, oleksandr firsky is quite succinctly and has a limited presence in the mass media, zelensky says that the result of the operation in the kursk region was a decrease in the number of shelling in the donbass, quoting the supreme commander of the armed forces of ukraine. in the last week , the situation in the pokrovsk direction is leveling off a little bit, these are... things, regarding the situation in ukraine, or part of our operation in the territory of the kurdish region, these are related things, for example, we

can see that the use of the number of shells in donbas on the same pokrovsk to at the beginning of the kurdish operation it was one to 12, today it is one to two and a half, it has not evened out yet, we still need more weapons than the russians, or based on your data and what your ... brothers who are on pokrovsky direction, is this true? well, uh, i don’t know who writes reports to the president regarding military issues, you already understand, from the war, he is absolutely far from the education, experience, leadership, so he confidently reads the texts who write to him, this is the first , the second concerning directly to the activity of the enemy on the territory of the donetsk region, it also became more active in other areas, and telling that in our country... in the pokrovsk direction, the steppes were reduced in response to the offensive of the russians, it should be mentioned that in our

other areas the enemy became more active, plus the fact that what our guys complain about is the absence of almost zero or a very small number of shells for our artillery to counter the enemy, again, the question is that if we stopped there, then in other areas the russians are on fire. realizing that we have a difficult enough with with the right amount of reserves, and even more, it is more difficult with the right amount of firepower to attack the enemy, we need to understand that there are still many tasks ahead of us that we are still absolutely not trying to solve, and those methods and methods of applying the same and unmanned aerial vehicles, what the enemy is doing is what he learned from us and he does it quickly enough, and the problem is that we have a huge amount of firewood, which myko... is very often bought with public money at the expense of subsidies, then the enemy

this is based directly on training by the state, plus the number of pilots that the enemy uses in its units is much larger, in larger numbers , and in better quality than on our side, so we still have a lot to increase, first of all, that concerns training of operators, quality training of operators of unmanned aerial vehicles. of different levels and the skillful use of this tactic, plus the fact that we have a huge problem between the three forces, the three force structures, the sbu, gur and armed forces, everyone boils in their own, you know, cauldron and absolutely does not want to exchange information about weaknesses and strengths, pros and cons, this leads to the fact that every puffing man tells how cool he is, without talking about the problem, for a long time it would be necessary to summarize all this and work in a single direction, it would give. far better results than each going by trial, error, and loss,

while directly repeating the mistakes of their neighbors. mr. general, zelensky previously stated that the operation on territory of kurshchyna is one of the elements of ukraine's victory plan, they say that under those conditions, when the armed forces will be on the territory of the russian federation, it will allow ukraine to conduct preparatory. work on changes in russia, or to force russia to enter into negotiations and give way to ukraine, under what conditions, in your opinion, can kurshchyna become? the subject of negotiations with putin? now it is quite difficult to guess, first of all, no negotiations have started yet, and directly, how much we hold in the kurdish, in the kurdish region of the territory is it's one thing, how much territory we can lose due to russian offensive actions on the territory of donbas, it's quite another, so

you can plan, think and dream about something only when you have four powerful factors within the state, that is economy. which fully provides for the needs of the armed forces, the economy is transferred to functioning under martial law, we are actively preparing mobilization resources in the required quantity and high quality, namely people who know how to fight and are well trained and well provided for. next, we have fortification structures on the territory of ukraine and not just the formations themselves were worked out in a normal number and in the required quality, because as the experience of the last battles in the... pokrovsky direction shows, there were also structures, but there was no one in the structures, so the enemy advanced quite calmly, because the number of people who defended these buildings was not that minimal, it was practically zero, therefore the fourth is directly active interaction with our partners, who will criticize , understanding that at certain moments we have big problems due to not quite

professional activity, i say so mildly, certain leaders of the middle state provide us with military and technical assistance. here are four things that could say something about confident behavior during the negotiations with russia, and taking into account the fact that we have not yet worked out all the elements to the full extent, and so far i do not see such a steep growth for in these directions, the negotiations may not be in favor of ukraine, and i would not really like for us to lose the protection of pokrovsk and other cities, because as they will these negotiations were held. and how certain ukrainians will clearly not like it, but all this will be covered by the phrases: well, we still stopped the war, and then one day we will return our lands, this is how it can be presented to us, therefore any negotiations with the enemy at this stage with that inactivity that we have seen in previous years, let every ukrainian explain it

to himself, and why did we pay such a terrible price with the number of dead ukrainians? ukrainians fought bravely, but at certain moments, as far as the top management was concerned, for some reason these factors were not present taken into account and properly organized, among those reasons, or among those conditions that may exist, regarding the future resolution of the russian -ukrainian war, zelensky calls the decisions of our western partners, regarding the strikes of western weapons on the territory. of the russian federation, this week was practically spent in discussions or in the announcement that great britain will or has already made a decision regarding its stormshadow missiles, they are talking about atakams, which can be provided to ukraine for strikes on the territory of the russian federation. president zelenskyi

during a joint press conference with his lithuanian colleague gitanes. at usedo said that the lifting of restrictions on the use of western weapons against russia should be part of a victory strategy, and not a purely political decision. let's listen to what zelensky said: to remove restrictions means to remove restrictions, and if it is proposed or will be proposed, we will look at the removal of restrictions at the appropriate range to which the enemy has already applied theirs. military goals, as i said, then this is an exclusively political decision to remove that pressure from partners other countries, and from ukraine and from journalists to countries that have to make this decision.

mr. general, in your opinion, under what conditions can our western partners give such... permission to use their weapons with strikes on the territory of the russian federation? well, the question lies in the timeliness and expediency of striking these blows while we are discussing, deciding, persuading. during this time, the russians absolutely calmly and purposefully moved the objects that can be directly hit by these missiles, let me remind you, attacks, this is up to 300 km... in the best options, and storm shadow under the best options is 560 km, under the best option, and during this time the planes have been moved, and the necessary objects have been moved, then... the question is that while we are talking, we have a huge number of tasks, which is to defeat the russian factories, enterprises that produce weapons, that

process, transport oil to a much greater depth, then it will be much more effective, because to rely on the number of missiles that our partners provide us, firstly, it is not such a large number of missiles, secondly the second, unfortunately, facilities on the territory the russian federation is more than enough. and while we're talking about them, the enemy is doing their best to protect these objects or move them to distances where we can't get them, so with our own strong uav capabilities, our job is to build up while our partners accept what decisions, we hope for help, and in the meantime we are acting ourselves, already in the kremlin they are talking about the fact that any decision that will be made in... a positive decision regarding the strikes of western long-range weapons on the territory of the russian federation, they have will answer and say that it is already a war between

nato and the western world with russia, although putin has always said that in ukraine he is fighting against nato, although he fought against ukraine, but he constantly repeated that we are fighting against nato, and that he spoke to his audience, a russian audience. what is in the arsenal of the russian federation, apart from nuclear weapons, that could be a threat to ukraine? the problem is that putin mobilized a certain number of enterprises powerfully enough, and europe and other countries did not press russia, which refers to powerful counter-sanctions, and russia has learned to circumvent them, and now europe is faced with the fact that the number of weapons that they have accumulated. at such a pace of hostilities, germany reckons that they have enough ammunition there for two weeks, the netherlands reckons that they

have enough there for two days, and europe is now, excuse me, in shock, i am not talking about france was the production of gunpowder has been frozen since 2007, and now in order to increase the issue of projectile production, it is necessary to start many processes, and europe is not ready, and they now they will look for certain ways to er... stop this war and directly they are not concerned about the price of ukraine at all, they are interested in their own political interests. for us, it is necessary to understand that we still have enough resources and reserves, the government does not use all our capabilities, does not work directly on the preparation of our reserves, does not work to the full extent, as far as our economic capabilities are concerned, so regardless of what nato countries will do , we need to build up. capabilities, and then it will have an effect, we can strike with drones, yes let's increase the number of drones and increase their quality, because any drone that we release, after 3 months, if

it cannot be modernized, the russians find countermeasures with these drones, and it must also be understood that the issue here is not only in the number of drones, and their capacity for deep modernization, but you say, mr. general, that our western partners... in this situation think about their interests, it is clear that they also need to build up the military industrial complex and the production of weapons, but putin builds up no only its own military-industrial complex, but also used by the military-industrial complex of iran, north korea, iran provided russia with 220 ballistic missiles that fly up to 120 km away, but apparently they have others. missiles, today sheigu went to north korea, apparently also agreed that north korean missiles should also enter russia and be, and can be used in

the war against ukraine, that is, this axis of evil, which includes russia, belarus, iran, syria, china and north korea, in this situation, show more flexibility and more opportunities to... shape this defense order for putin, in the event that the war in ukraine is suspended or frozen until a certain moment, or the evil viz will refuse this cooperation and use all its powers to fight against, well, against conventional civilization, anti-civilization, against civilization, they will definitely not stop, exactly, even freezing. war can lead to the fact that they, in their own eyes and in the hands of their own propaganda, will earn bonuses for themselves and this will be presented as a super cool victory,

so you need to understand that... negotiations, ceasefire, capitulation, all this is absolutely not in favor of ukraine, because it simply prolongs the time, let's say, the ability of the enemy to attack ukraine more powerfully. why, mr. generals, are our western partners so procrastinating, procrastinating all issues, they are pushing ukraine towards negotiations with russia. well, it's hard to say now, because now the politicians are there. on this, especially with regard to western politicians, are in such a state that they are afraid to make any decisions, well, i will not say that more active in decision-making, will acquire our strategic partners, primarily great britain, and i am grateful to them for their clear position in the war on the side of ukraine against russia, as for the americans, they are more busy with their own problems and it is not very popular

to raise the issue at all during the presidential race. .. and neither the existing administration nor the future administration will now make any decisions in order not to lose, not to lose certain bonuses in favor of their own, let's say, that person who can be a competitor in this race, which as for europe, well, i say once again that europe , due to russia's constant pressure in the information space, is a powerful fifth column that russia has formed over the past 20 years. in europe, in political society, er, achieves certain priority goals that play in favor of russia. we, mo-, absolutely, being deaf and dumb in the information field, do not raise this issue, do not highlight who and how acts in favor of the russian federation, western politicians, because we think that this is not very correct, but from my side, during the war any rules, when the enemy brazenly attacks, destroys our children, our wives. our

fathers and mothers, there can no longer be any principles here, the principle is the same: any russians must be killed, any factory in russia must be destroyed, any city and village must be burned, only the destruction of the russian federation as a state will lead to the fact that our children and grandchildren can grow up calmly and ukraine can calmly recover. mr. serhiy, thank you for participating in the program, this was serhiy kryvonos, major general of the reserve. friends, we continue work. live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live on these platforms, please subscribe to our pages, on the screen you can now see the entire list of social networks where we are present, and take part in our survey, today we ask you whether the permission to strike deep into russia with western missiles will bring the victory of ukraine closer, yes, no, everything is quite on youtube, yes or no, if you have a separate

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