ukraine may be allowed to use stormshadow missiles for strikes on russian territory. the american media write about it. there are no official confirmations. at the same time, putin intimidates the west, says it will mean war between russia and nato, draws another red line that can be crossed. we are talking about this on the bbc live from london. i am yevgenia shedlovska. british prime minister kirstarmer is in washington, where he is meeting with joe biden, and it is expected that at a meeting in the white house, they will discuss the permission for ukraine to strike on the territory of russia.

by western long-range missiles, but a white house spokesman said before the leaders' meeting that the united states' position on the use of long-range weapons remains the same and there will be no major announcements today, national security adviser john kirby said, but when asked whether britain's position will change, kirby said, that is britain's business. meanwhile, the new york times writes that biden is most likely inclined to allow ukraine to do this, but not the americans. rockets, i.e. not atakams, but we are talking about the british stormshadow missiles, since they have american components, the permission of the united states is accordingly required, and the politico edition also assumes that the united states will make a decision in favor of ukraine, while the british guardian wrote the day before that it is unlikely that permission to use staroshedom for such the strikes will be announced publicly, when starmer meets with biden, and what is russia doing when the usa and britain can do and...

another step in supporting ukraine, well, threatens again? putin scares the west again. he said it's one thing that ukraine is already striking russia with drones, and it's another to strike with western long-range weapons. according to him, the use of such missile systems will require the participation of the nato military, so that they, as they say, carry out missions, plus satellite information, and therefore, nato countries will directly fight with russia, which changes the essence of the conflict, according to putin, if this happens , then russia... will make decisions depending on the threats, putin has not resorted directly to nuclear threats as he has done in the past, and his latest statement is analyzed by the bbc's correspondent in moscow, steve rosenberg. it was a clear warning to the west: don't do this, don't let ukraine use your missiles to strike russian territory, but what we haven't heard from vladimir putin is what russia is going to do if they do give permission, he said about accepting answered

solutions, but without any details. so what might these solutions be? vladimir putin has said in the past that moscow could provide other countries with long-range weapons to strike western targets. in addition, he also stated about the ability to deploy missiles at a distance sufficient to strike the us and its european allies. russian officials have repeatedly accused the measure of fighting russia, as well as of waging war against russia. on the territory of ukraine, and putin has made it clear that if they continue to do this, if western missiles are used against targets on russian territory, it will lead to escalation, so western leaders in a sense will have to decide what is greater now, the risk of possible escalation or the need to help ukraine and allow ukrainians to be hit by these missiles on russian territory. british prime minister

keir starmer immediately reacted to putin's threats and reacted quite sharply: russia started this war and can stop it, he said so on the way to washington. britain fully supports ukraine's right to self-defense, providing opportunities for training, but i quote: we do not seek conflict with russia, it is not part of our intentions - this is what starmer said, the bbc's political correspondent chris mason was on the plane with the british prime minister when he made this statement and will tell how it was. the british prime minister arrived to. this is kiir starmer's second visit to the white house in the last two months. ukraine's allies are still very cautious in their public statements about a change in policy regarding the use of western weapons deep into russian territory. but the diplomatic breakthrough in making such a decision is obvious. and this turned out to be enough for president putin to make his warning statement. what

does the british prime minister think about all this? i flew with him to washington, and i have had the opportunity to ask him about it during the so-called approach, when all the journalists from... together around the prime minister and ask him questions, it was amazing how much starmer spoke about vladimir putin, repeating repeatedly that russia started the war, that moscow caused the conflict and it is capable of stopping it. as for the prospect of using the anglo-french storm shadow missiles on the territory of russia, he was somewhat more careful in his statements. he said that... the next few weeks and months could be really important events, and therefore it is necessary to make a number of tactical decisions. this is what real war looks like. these are the consequences of recent strikes by russian drones on konotop, in the sumy region. ukraine's allies seek

to counter this and help kyiv, while obtaining permission to use western missiles, on the other hand, may provoke russia. so this is a very responsible decision. and one more thing: russia revoked the accreditation of six british diplomats. they were accused of espionage. the british authorities called these accusations absolutely groundless and absurd as the bbc understands , we are talking about diplomats who left russia a few weeks ago. that is, the announcement of the withdrawal of accreditation was not news to the british foreign ministry. and the expulsion of british diplomats was moscow's reaction to what london expressed back in may. of the russian military atc and introduced a five-year limit on the stay of russian diplomats, how serious is the announcement of the expulsion of diplomats and suspicions of espionage, this is the opinion of former british diplomat adam thompson. i am not surprised to report about

that russia is expelling six british diplomats, not too shocked, except a little saddened by information from the british government , one can conclude that the diplomats were stripped of their accreditation in the past. month, it was more of an act of retaliation for the tensions that have been brewing between great britain and russia for quite some time now. and these reports were made public today most likely because of kier starmer's visit to washington. and it is also obvious that this is connected with the imminent decision to allow the ukrainians to use the british stormshadow missiles on the territory of russia, and not on the territory that russia seized. this is part of a coordinated effort by the russians with... to prevent the uk from taking this step, but more importantly for them it is to prevent other allies from following the us example or supporting it, and it is part of a long-term russian tactic against the west that it started from the moment of

the invasion of ukraine in february 2022. russian threats deterred nato countries to some extent. the west was very cautious, as was russia regarding nato, and now the russians are real problem, they do not know how to stop the growing support of ukraine from the west. i think, with his statement , putin actually said that nato countries will be at war with russia. he is quite cautious in his statements and does not say what his answer will be. he says he will respond based on the threat level. in a sense, yes, russia's red lines have been crossed many times, and i'm pretty sure it will from... happen again, but at the same time, russia is looking for ways to respond to hurt the west, but not escalate it. so, for example, richard moore, the head of britain's secret intelligence service, recently spoke of an increase in russian sabotage operations across europe, or that there could be more

russian cyberattacks, more attempts at disinformation and attempts at political influence. there is quite a long list of what can be called horizontal escalation that... russia is willing and able to increase. we may see more than just some kind of military vertical escalation. and returning to washington, for british prime minister keir starmer, this will be his second meeting with president biden since he headed the government, and it will happen when russia makes such a demarche, accuses british diplomats of espionage, as putin makes ambiguous statements that moscow will respond to threats that will come. what does this mean? here is the opinion of another former british. this is putin's attempt to show his great displeasure with the fact that the west is discussing how best to help ukraine, and this is quite characteristic of him. he signals very clearly, and this is obviously timed to the prime minister's visit to washington, that he

extremely confused by the possible authorization of the ukrainians to use stormshadov and other missiles to hit military targets in russia. and this is something that ukrainians have not been able to do until now, and he is in a certain sense. is trying to take a preemptive step, but of course the only reason he is alarmed is that if this authorization is granted, it will give ukraine a better chance of defending itself against this unprovoked aggression. it's an important decision, of course, but the only reason we're in this situation is because russia attacked ukraine, and ukraine, according to the norms of international law, has the right to defend itself, and for this the west supplies weapons to ukraine, but at the moment ukraine actually has one hand tied. the west supplied weapons to ukraine to defend itself, but said: are there strict limits on what you can do? we are in a situation where the russians can aim at ukraine, at schools, at hospitals, at... anything, and at the same time we have a situation where the ukrainians are very limited in what they

are allowed to do, in particular hitting russian military bases, so as the prime minister said, it can be stopped instantly, putin can stop this war, it is a war of aggression, and if he is worried about the ukrainians striking russia, he has a very simple way to avoid it, end the war the united states lifted the ban on strikes on the territory of russia with its weapons this year, when the russian ... went on the offensive in the kharkiv region. ukraine was allowed to hit targets on russian territory, but near the border. bbc correspondent james foote on the urgent needs of the ukrainian army. only in sumy oblast and during the summer, the russians released at least 2,000 aerial bombs in kharkiv oblast. this region is shelled almost every day. and this is the reason why ukraine so wants the lifting of restrictions on the use of missiles on the territory of russia. now russian fighters. launch winged aerial bombs from their territory, in some places this distance is more than 100 km, and

ukraine can shoot them down only in its own airspace , and this situation demonstrates the whole essence of the problem. all the intimidation of the kremlin in ukraine is treated calmly. deputies, for example, all of them the so-called red lines are called artificial and said to have been crossed before vladimir putin began trying to blackmail the west. disagreement regarding the permission to strike deep into russia is perceived here as ... ukraine is trying to mobilize enough people to the front and improve its position on the battlefield in any possible way, despite a significant offensive on the territory of russia itself, despite the possible lifting of restrictions on the use western missiles. but what can be said for sure, this decision will not become silver bullet for ukraine. the west is trying to delicately calculate everything, weigh everything. russia will consider its own response options. and no doubt wants to improve his position. and that's

the end of how the united states comments on the possible permission to strike russia. this is the opinion of the former us attorney in britain, philip ricker. there is constant communication between the united states and great britain on almost all global issues. well, of course, regarding the support of ukraine. i was leading our mission in london when vladimir putin attacked the ukraine. of course, he denied everything until the day of the attack. but we, the united states and great britain, shared intelligence. we were ready, we knew it was going to happen, and since then we have been working hard with different prime ministers and now with another government in britain. this is a great opportunity for prime minister keir starmer to hold talks with president biden, who has more time for such meetings now that he is out of the election race. today they will meet, hold a teta-teta meeting in the oval office, and then they will go to blue. to know at the white house, where they will hold a more extended meeting with their senior staff and

ambassadors. regarding vladimir putin's statements, we've heard a lot of them since he launched this illegal, unprovoked attack on ukraine, not on its sovereignty, on its territorial integrity, it was really an attack on the west, and we've come together to support ukraine and to do everything to ensure they have what they need, although it is not always easy to do, and at today's meeting ... they will have starmer and joe biden's check opportunity to review recent strategy. of course, they will also take into account the latest information that they received from the foreign ministers of the united states and great britain. blinken and lammy first met in london, and then went to ukraine together. well , less than a week ago, the head of the cia, will burns, and the head of mi6, richard moore, met publicly on the ft forum and made a joint statement. this is an unprecedented step. well this concludes our broadcast, next time watch our broadcast at 9 pm on monday,

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for your support. donate and share. let's not let the occupier together. one step further and let's speed up the victory together, glory to ukraine, to the heroes, glory, congratulations, friends, this is the second part of the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, and for the next 4-5 minutes we will talk about the following. the cornerstone of the peace formula. the crimean platform became not only a forum about the situation on the peninsula, but also a platform for the adoption of important geopolitical issues solutions results of the representative meeting in kyiv. attacks on veterans. in various regions

of ukraine, cases of beatings of servicemen have become more frequent. what do the incidents in smila, ivano-frankivsk and kyiv have in common? the russians are killing the gum. the source of the pollution of the ukrainian river was found on the territory of the aggressor country. the ministry of environment is counting the damages, but was there reason to panic? we will talk about all this today with my colleagues, journalists. however, before starting our conversation about... i suggest you, friends, to take part in our survey, today we we ask about this, will the permission to strike deep into russia with western missiles bring the victory of ukraine closer? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have a different opinion about this, please write in the comments under this video, if you watch us on tv, take a smart phone or phone, if you think that the permission to hit the deep

western missiles will bring russia closer to the victory of ukraine. 0.800 211 381, no 0800. all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote, i want to present today's guests are my colleagues larisa voloshina, journalist, political psychologist, larisa, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, congratulations, and kateryna nekrecha, journalist of radio svoboda, kateryna, i congratulate you, thank you for joining on the air, i congratulate my colleagues, i am glad to see, well, since colleagues, i... i am asking our , or rather, we are asking our tv viewers , whether the permission to strike deep into russia with western missiles will bring the victory of ukraine closer, let's also answer this question in the format of a blitz poll, let's start with larisa. obviously will bring it closer, because, first of all, these are yet another of these whimsical red lines, which the world should

still cross and cross them more briskly, because ukraine will need more than one solution. from our partners in order to move towards victory, that's why this permission, it is important first of all for our western partners, and secondly, it still transferred the wars to russian territory, because russian citizens of russia should understand that this war causes damage and causes fear in the first place, what if they want to stop the war, it is in their power, they just have to stop fighting with ukraine. thank you, larisa, kateryna, this is certainly one of the important steps, moments to bring victory closer, but it is also important that there will be more in the complex, because it is obvious that this step alone is not enough globally, ukrainian soldiers need a lot of resources,

more more resources, as well as manpower, this is already an internal ukrainian issue, but so is a significant amount of weapons. and whether ukraine's partners in the western world will continue to stand on these rails of war also significantly affects whether ukraine will be able to win the russo-ukrainian war. we will wait for the decision of our partners, obviously it will be discussed at the meeting between joseph biden and keir starmer, because the talks are about to take place in washington. of the two countries of great britain and the united states of america, announced for friday the 13th, we hope that friday the 13th will be a happy one for ukraine, so far there is no news from washington. but we are waiting for comforting news, including regarding ukraine's permission to strike on the territory of the russian federation with a western weapons however, a lot of international conferences and meetings took place in

kyiv this week. our western partners participated in the crimean platform. today , the yalta european conference was held in kyiv, and zelenskyi rebuked his partners about it at this yalta european conference. by the fact that they do not want to help ukraine in repelling attacks, including shahedis, from the russian federation, said that only one country is now defeating russian shahedis, apart from ukraine, it is belarus, such irony was on the part of zelensky, let's listen to how it was when we heard that new missiles arrived in russia for irano. this is the same evil that the allies have already had to shoot down in the sky of the middle east, if the allies together shoot down missiles, shoot down a drone in

the sky of the middle east, then why is there still no similar decision on the joint shooting down of russian missiles, iranian shaheds in the sky of ukraine, and this is not it is also done when... and the drones are heading literally to the territory of our neighbors, only belarus was distinguished by the downing of russian shaheds, well , this is one of the elements of the studio quarter 95 the yalta european conference, the joke seems to be a good political one, but it’s not... it’s clear, colleagues, why president zelenskyi is trying to do everything during this long period, it’s clear why, he convinces western leaders to give permission for strikes

on the territory of russia federation, it is not clear why our western partners are delaying this, which is, in your opinion, the reason why our western partners are restraining ukraine and trying to postpone the decision regarding. on the territory of the russian federation, larisa? well, i think so first, there aren't many options left to show putin some red lines that the west is willing to cross after putin commits another, another war crime, another murder, because now we're appealing to what, iranian missiles , they have appeared, this is already something new, it is officially recognized, at least one of the officials of eran said about... directly, and so let's , they say, cross some red lines that you have set for yourself, regarding that putin, the west understands what is, this is what they are about

they say, they have an escalation management strategy, what is it called, and they say that when putin does something, we also take some step to show him our displeasure, and there are not many of these steps left, because sanctions have been introduced, secondary sanctions have also been introduced for six months , as well as they posy'. all this is good, all this is really working for our victory, we see that ukraine is getting weapons, high-precision weapons, long-range weapons, planes, on and on, it all continues, but on the other hand, there is an awareness that the war can to last a long time, this is their illusion that putin can wage war for a long time, they think that it is possible, although in fact, as we see in fact, neither the russian economy, nor the russian, the russian military, they are not capable. for a long war, this is the same bluff, but nevertheless, it is necessary to demonstrate that, as they say, if putin does something else, then we will move some red line, i think that this is a distraction from

this side, and to me, you know , also, but i just wanted to add that it is very symbolic, that the words about the next red lines, which must dare to cross, they were said right on the yalta platform, because let's remember that ukraine, ukrainians also had their red lines, it happened... just in crimea, we saw them when the russian army came out of the barracks, when it started to block ukrainian parts, when this occupation, annexation, attempted annexation of crimea actually began, absolutely defiant, absolutely demonstrative, then we faced the situation that many ukrainian military, ukrainian policemen on the territory of crimea were not ready to use weapons, that is, this shock, russia is behaving defiantly, and the codes, when you are faced with this defiantness, it's very va... to take up arms, and so when volodymyr zelenskyy calls on our western partners, start shooting down these drones, these missiles, in fact, it's the first turn in their

favor, they don't understand it. but if putin ever dares to act more brazenly against the nato countries, and it can be against the baltic countries and against the airspace of the same sweden, as we saw it recently. we must have strength, we must already be morally ready, fight back here and now, because otherwise, the west may find itself in a situation where they will simply be morally not ready to use weapons against the russian federation, so for me those red lines are also there. they build for themselves and the way we try to force them to cross them is not only for our sake, it is for their sake. thank you, larisa, kateryna, throughout the whole week, you also followed this whole series of information and how one, one international forum, the second international forum, statements of zelenskyi, statements of blinken, who

was in... kyiv, and obviously, obviously, and starmer was also in kyiv, didn't you have the feeling that our partners would say, well, that's it, we give you permission to strike on the territory of the russian federation, because i personally, because i had the feeling that this would happen by the end of the week and that we will have such a result, especially since gardiyan wrote about the fact that they say, well, the americans still doubt whether to give us permission to launch attacks specifically on... the territory of the russian federation, but stormshedov will definitely fly over the territory of the russian federation. oh waiting it is always there, and we understand that the us secretary of state does not come to such companies just like that. here i want to reflect on what mrs. larisa said about, and reminded of this moment, russian troops were in crimea, the russian army had

its bases on the territory. ukrainian crimea, and then began to occupy this ukrainian crimea. i am interested in talking to a 17-year-old person, a child, no longer a child, and a person, how to explain this, and what the russian army was doing in the territory of sovereign ukraine there. i think if also to return to those, well, not fears, but perhaps arguments, why the west does not work as the ukrainians would like, not so radically, not so... cooperatively, not so, boldly, this is putin's statement, which was issued on thursday regarding that this permission in ukraine to strike with western weapons on the territory of russia, that this would mean the direct participation of nato countries, about this russian-ukrainian war, that is probably precisely this moment, direct participation in the russian-ukrainian war, was the main issue of this red line so that

this does not happen, although... uh, de facto everyone who helps with a penny or e-e weapon takes part in this war, obviously. uh, about what i think we need to see, well, there's been so many meetings, visits, different statements this week that we need to see some kind of outcome. all this is happening against the background of the presidential elections in america, the beginning of the week was and you and i watched the debates, democrat harris and republican. republican trump, globally, if you're talking about the context, the issue of peace came up again, and from the vice presidential candidate, from trump, jaydee vance, sounded a clearer, but still blurred version of what the end of the war with the gray zone on the territory of ukraine might look like, and this, of course, cannot please ukrainians,

on the contrary, it speaks of two things. moments or that these things sound against the enemy, maybe the candidacy of democracy, and maybe this is really what the trump team and trump himself think, but he himself does not yet undertake to express such specific things in public, so that if anything, or his rating interfered or how to perceive it, but nevertheless these conversations are intensifying, and here are also the... the media wrote that biden already has a plan for the victory of ukraine, zelensky says that he will be ready to present a plan for the victory of ukraine by the end of the year, and to the team of the democratic candidate and the trump team, that is , something is happening, the question of these really red lines , they are constantly advancing, but we also see that russia, it is strengthening

its cooperation with its partners. and those iranian missiles.