as a means of making important geopolitical decisions. results of the representative meeting in kyiv. attacks on veterans. in various regions of ukraine, cases of beatings of servicemen have become more frequent. what do the incidents in smila, ivano-frankivsk and kyiv have in common? the russians are killing the gum. the source of the pollution of the ukrainian river was found on the territory. the ministry of environment is counting the damages and was there any reason to panic? we will talk about all this today with my colleagues, journalists. however, before starting our conversation, i suggest you friends, take part in our survey. today we ask you about whether the permission to strike deep into russia with western missiles will bring ukraine closer to victory. yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have a separate opinion about it, write. please in the comments

below this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up an expensive smartphone or phone, if you think that the permission to hit the depths of russia with western missiles will bring ukraine closer to victory, 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these rooms are free, vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote, i want to introduce my guests today, they are my colleagues larisa. journalist, political psychologist, larisa, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, congratulations, and kateryna nekrecha, journalist of radio svoboda, kateryna, i congratulate you, thank you for joining the broadcast. greetings, colleagues, glad to see you. well, since, colleagues, i am asking our people, or rather, we are asking our tv viewers, whether the permission to strike deep into russia with western missiles will bring ukraine closer to victory. let's also answer this in the format of a blitz poll question. let's start with larisa. obviously

, it will bring it closer, because, well, first of all, these are yet another, these chimerical red lines, which the world should still cross and cross them more briskly, because ukraine will need more than one decision from our partners in order to to move towards victory, that is why this permission, it is important first of all for our western partners. and secondly, it still moved the war to russian territory. because russian citizens must understand that this war causes damage and causes fear in first of all, we believe that if they want to stop the war, it is within their power, they should simply stop fighting with the ukrainians. thank you, larisa, kateryna, this is certainly one of the important steps, moments to bring victory closer, but it is also important that there will be more in the complex, because... it is obvious that

this step alone is not globally enough, ukrainian soldiers need a lot of resources, even more resources, as well as manpower, this is already an internal ukrainian issue, but also a significant amount of weapons, and whether the western world will become ukraine's partners further on these rails of war, also significantly affects whether ukraine will be able to win in the russo-ukrainian war. we... will wait for the decision of our partners, obviously, it will be discussed at the meeting of joseph biden and kyr starmer, because the talks between the leaders of the two countries of great britain and the united states of america are about to take place in washington, announced for friday the 13 th, we hope that friday the 13th will be happy for ukraine, so far there is no news from washington, but we are waiting for... good news, including regarding the permit

ukraine to beat on the territory of the russian federation with western weapons. however , a lot of international conferences and meetings took place in kyiv this week. our western partners participated in the crimean platform. today , the yalta european conference was held in kyiv, and at this yalta european conference, zelenskyy reprimanded his partners. that they do not want to help ukraine in repelling attacks, including terrorist attacks, from the russian federation, said that only one country is currently shooting down russian terrorists besides ukraine, that is belarus, such irony was on the part of zelensky, let's listen to what it was like when we hear that new missiles have arrived in russia for iran, this is...

the same evil that the allies had already shot down in the sky of the middle east. if allies shoot down missiles together and shoot down a drone in the sky of the middle east. so why is there still no similar decision on the joint shooting down of russian missiles and iranian shaheds in the sky of ukraine, and this is not done even when missiles and drones are heading literally to the territory of our neighbors, only belarus was noted for shooting down russian shaheds. well this is one of the elements of the kvartal-95 studio, not the european yalta conference, the joke seems to be a good political one, but it is not clear, colleagues, why president

zelensky is trying to do everything during this long period, it is clear why he is convincing western leaders to they gave permission to strike on russian territory. federation, it is not clear why our western partners are delaying this, which is the reason, in your opinion, that our western partners are restraining ukraine and trying to delay the decision on strikes on territory of the russian federation, larisa? well, i think that first of all, there are not many options left to show putin some red lines that the west is willing to cross after putin...commits another, another war crime, another murder, because now we we appeal to what, iranian missiles, here they have appeared, this is already something new, it is officially recognized, at least one of the officials of iran directly said about it, and therefore let's go, they say, cross some

red lines that you have set for yourselves, about that putin, uh, the west understands that there is, this is what they are talking about, they have a strategy of er... management, escalation, as it is called, and they say, when putin does something, we also take some step, for him to show his displeasure, and there are not many of these steps left, because sanctions have been introduced, secondary sanctions have also been introduced for six months, and they are getting stronger, all this is good, all this is really working for our victory, we see that ukraine is getting weapons, high-precision weapons, long-range weapons, airplanes, on, on, it all continues, but from a different point of view side is aware that the war... can last a long time, this is their illusion that putin can wage a war for a long time, it seems to them that it is possible, although in reality, as we see, in fact, neither the russian economy, nor the russian, russian the military, they are not capable of a long war, this

is the same bluff, but nevertheless it is necessary to demonstrate that, as they say, if putin does something else, we will push some red line, i think that this is a distraction from this side, and to me, you know, i also... i just wanted to add that this is very symbolic, that the words about the next red lines that the west should dare to cross were said precisely on the yalta platform, because let's remember that ukraine, the ukrainians also had their own red lines, it happened precisely in crimea, we saw them when the russian army left from the barracks, when it began to block ukrainian parts, when this occupation, annexation, attempted annexation of crimea actually began, absolutely. absolutely demonstrative, then we faced the situation that many ukrainian military, ukrainian policemen on territories of crimea were not ready to use weapons, that is, this is a shock: russia is behaving defiantly, and codes, when you are faced with this defiantness, it is very difficult to raise arms, and therefore, when

volodymyr zelenskyy calls on our western partners, start shooting down these drones , these missiles, in fact, it is primarily in their favor, they do not understand this, but if putinko... someday dares to take more daring actions against nato countries, and it can be against the baltic countries, and against the airspace of the same sweden, like us this was seen recently, one must have strength, one must already be morally ready, to retaliate here and now, because otherwise the west may find itself in a situation where they will simply be morally unprepared to use weapons against the russian federation, so for me these are also the red lines that they are building there for themselves and... how we try to make them cross it, it's not only for our sake, it's for their sake. thank you larisa, kateryna, you have been following the entire series of information throughout the week and how you were accompanied one by one

the international forum, the second international forum, the statements of zelensky, the statements of blinken, who was in kyiv, and... obviously, obviously, starmer was also in kyiv, didn't you have the feeling that our partners would say, that's all, we give you permission to hit the territory. of the russian federation, because i personally had the feeling that this would happen, well, by the end of the week, and that we would have such a result, especially since the guardian wrote about the fact that, they say, well, the americans are still in doubt whether to grant us permission beat attacks on the territory of the russian federation, but stormshadov will definitely fly on the territory of the russian federation, and it is always expected, and we understand that the us secretary of state. and one does not come to such companies just like that, here i want to reflect on what mrs.

larisa said about, and reminded of this moment, russian troops were in crimea, the russian army had its bases on the territory of ukrainian crimea, and then began to occupy this ukrainian crimea, i wonder if talking to a 17-year-old person, already a child, no longer a child and a person, how explain this, and what is russian? generally did on the territory of sovereign ukraine there, it seems to me that if we also return to those, well , not fears, but perhaps arguments, why the measure does not work as the ukrainians would like, not so radically, not so promptly, not so boldly, it is putin's statement that was issued on thursday regarding the fact that this permission in ukraine to strike with western weapons on the territory of russia, what does this mean... already the direct participation of nato countries in this russian-ukrainian war, probably this very moment, direct participation in

the russian-ukrainian war, and were such a main issue of this red line that this would not happen, although, de facto , everyone who helps with a penny or a weapon takes part in this war, obviously, because of the fact that it seems to me that we have to see, well , so many meetings, visits... different statements this week that we should see some kind of result, this is all happening against the background of the presidential election in america, the beginning of the week was and you and i were watching the debate, the democrat harris and the republican, the republican trump, globally, if to talk about the context, the issue of peace came up again, and from trump's vice-presidential candidate, jaydee vance, it sounded clearer, but still blurry. version of what this end of the war with the gray zone on the territory of ukraine might look like, and

this, of course, cannot please ukrainians, on the contrary, it speaks of two points, or that these things sound in opposition, maybe the democratic candidates, or maybe it that's really what trump's team and trump himself think, but... he himself has yet to take the initiative to say such specific things in public, so that if this or the rating did not stop him or how to perceive it, but nevertheless these conversations are intensifying and the western media also wrote about the fact that biden already has a plan for the victory of ukraine, zelenskyi says that he will be ready to present a plan for the victory of ukraine before the end of the year, and the team of the democratic candidate. and the trump team, so something is going on, the issue of these really red

lines, they're being pushed all the time, but also we're seeing that russia, it's increasing its cooperation with its partners, and those iranian missiles, they're also a reminder that and here, by the way, about larisa's thesis, whether russia is ready for a long war, and sometimes it seems that with such a partnership, with such long-term homes. capabilities, with the kind of support that russia has, with such a pace, albeit slow, but advancing at the front, with huge sacrifices of its military, with huge losses of manpower and equipment, russia still wants to advance meter by meter, then everything is possible after all, russia is ready for a long war, the question here is how much the western partners will be ready to move their reds line, so that ukraine would not just stand, and i... somehow stood for years, but so that ukraine would win and as soon as possible. well

, kateryna, you mentioned what putin said in response to the announced, possible announced decision regarding our western partners, regarding weapons, the use of weapons on the territory of the russian federation, but these weapons are used, well, not long-range, but generally the weapons of our western partners are already on the territory. that is, the armed forces of ukraine did not enter there with soviet equipment or post-soviet equipment, it entered including those tanks and those. armored vehicles, which were produced by our partners, and uses weapons there, including on the territory of the russian federation, and putin during these 2.5 years constantly talked about the fact that russia is at war with nato, and their propaganda machine constantly spun this mantra about the fact that russia is not at war with ukrainians, they are fighting on the territory

of ukraine, but with nato countries, so this is some such thesis. why, and now nato goes to war against russia, well, it is not so convincing, well, maybe it can be convincing only in one case, if russia will use nuclear weapons and say: well, nato has already attacked us, but larisa, in the current situation, can putin use this on the highest card, the ace, get the nuclear ace and say, well, now i will beat everyone maps and actually on... we will put an end to this, the fact is that he talks about it for so long and a lot for various reasons, i will remind you that nuclear blackmail sounded very clearly, in relation to just dare to hit the crimea, that's it, radioactive ash , and what, that's it, when he puts forward his demands, he says: now nato has entered the war, if you

give such a permission in kurshchyna, and what they wrote in their constitution is zaporizhia. kherson, donetsk, luhansk oblasts, crimea, that is not russia, it is not the same weapon that is used there, well, from the point of view of putin himself, and what then, at this moment, the west had the opportunity to actually show honor, and what and what, i think , that for putin, for him, he is blackmailing with nuclear weapons, this is him, you are right, sergey, this is the last argument, and when it is the last argument, he cannot use it, because, after that, in he has nothing. absolutely nothing, moreover, experts have big questions about the combat capability of this nuclear arsenal, to use it against whom, well, against the united states, but i just want to understand that he plans to fight with nato, that is, he will withdraw the troops near pokrovsky, go take washington and london, well, this is all madness, these

nuclear weapons of his, well, we see the quality of his latest weapons in all these analogues. no, again, we know that in the 14th year, by the way, just after the occupation of crimea and the start of the war in donbas, this war putin's company, ukraine stopped servicing the russian nuclear arsenals, and that satan's missile, which they called the sarmatians, they cannot repeat it in any way, it does not fly in them, they have not been able to repeat a single missile carrier in them during this entire period, which at the time, ukraine supplied them, more... ukraine served precisely their nuclear potential, all this is fuel, all this is different, it is not a fact that the russians know how to do it at all, so it is a big question of what he can, but he can blackmail, and if he if he just tries to use the nuclear potential, well, it won't have an effect, it's suicide, it's just open

suicide, well, yes, maybe he will take a certain number of people with him, a large number of people, but for him personally it's the end. and as a result, what is the profit from all this, because after that, even if it is not a strike on nuclear countries, such as nato countries, but on a country like ukraine, or on a neutral country, on which neutral territory, after that putin will not be able to use this scarecrow, it is the only one and the last one he has, i very much doubt that he is capable of somehow having that many nuclear weapons. and really start a nuclear war, he is not in a position to end it, it will be his end, not the end of humanity, and zelensky at today's yalta european conference, or the yalta european strategy, as it is called, also outlined fair, just ways to end the russian - the ukrainian war,

let's listen to what the president of ukraine said, such wars of aggression as russia's war against... ukraine can end with just a few ways, or the army of the occupier is pushed out by force or diplomacy, which guarantees the preservation of the real independence of the country and its purification from occupation. in both the first and second cases, ukraine needs strong positions, and the united states can help with this. kateryna, apparently, zelensky is now setting a meeting, the upcoming meeting with president biden, and obviously, it will be somewhere between september 25-30, when it will take place again. of the un general assembly, our president is flying to the united states of america and will meet with biden there, and obviously this the victory plan, which he is talking about and

this plan, is obviously known to zelenskyi's closest circle and, well, ukrainian society has not yet been informed about the details of this victory plan, but the president clearly says that the united states of america can help with all of this, or in time now for yours... who wants to implement zelensky's victory plan, well, ukraine. colleagues, you know, i'm watching the news right now. gromadsky reports to reuters that washington has already said that the us does not plan to announce any changes in policy the use of western weapons, long-range missiles for strikes on the territory, this was said by john kirby, an adviser to belyagodom on communications. in the field of national security, he said that the us took seriously the statement of volodymyr putin, that the west would then mean participating in this war without direct participation,

while we see that the news in this sense is not comforting for ukraine, indeed the period with the us elections it's just a 50/50 roulette game, none of the pundits who have a deep understanding of american politics are ready to say what to expect and... kamela garis is not fully understood, although it is clear that in most cases she will continue the politics of joseph biden if he is elected president of the united states, and on the other hand, trump and the trump team are revealed, as if even more, but all the same and it is not clear where the roulette can go back there, how it can play out, that what is probably a significant factor is how americans... american society will treat and support certain statements or plans from american candidates, well, we understand , that the elections will be just around the corner, already

in the new year, a new president will fill everything in the usa, that is, we are waiting, of course, to see what kind of plan biden will present for the victory of ukraine, but it can only be implemented if such a malagaris obviously becomes the president there, and. and now those statements and all the statements that come from the candidates, they can be aimed, among other things, to check the reaction of american voters, to look at how the ukrainian issue, including, will affect the rating of this or that candidate, and here, on the one hand, there is a shaky foundation for on the ukrainian issue, on the other hand, public opinion in america can play a different role, in general. a fair end to the war, this war is fundamentally unfair, and of course, the victory of ukraine and the preservation

of territorial integrity, the return of ukrainian territories, this can be called a fair end to the war, nevertheless, those losses, both human and territorial, and destroyed cities, and cities to which some of our fellow citizens will never be able to return , because they are simply not there, and relatives who are simply... who are not there because of this war, that is, no matter how fair the end of the war was on paper, it still resulted in great, huge losses . is in the white house, today, it is interesting, but all the previous statements tell us somewhere that... that what is for ukraine, for ukrainians is fair, in particular the return of all ukrainian territories under the control of kyiv, and

that victory there must be ukraine, which means the defeat of russia, this all begs the question of which you and i have heard the answer to this, well, as if in the west they are not ready for the defeat of russia, although they are ready to support ukraine to the end, as western leaders have stated more than once. thank you katerina. well, to finish this topic already, larisa, do you think we will hear comforting news from washington, and this delay with this decision regarding giving ukraine the right to be a long-range weapon on the territory of the russian federation, how does this threaten the russian-ukrainian war, well development russian-ukrainian war specifically for ukraine? well, look, in my opinion, after the beginning of the kursk operation, it is obvious that ukraine did not have permission to use it. leopards and heimers, which, by the way, are also american weapons on the territory of kurshchyna, but when we went there and started doing what we were doing, well, everyone was forced to agree, moreover, then for... and

the same kirby talked about that they don't see any violations of the american red lines regarding the use of american weapons, he said this in response to madame zakharova's hysteria about the fact that look, look, these are already american weapons, my god, my god, and here he then he said, no, no, we don’t see it, but immediately an idea arose that no, no, here we don’t see, but there are some attacks that are so terrible that no, here here we have yes, here we have red lines, that is, then the united states could ... just pretend that everything is fine, and not start bringing out certain nomenclatures of its own weapons, when other weapons are already being used in what the russians call canonical american territories, i i think they will continue these negotiations with putin, this is all they are trying to do curtseys, again, are they ready there for the defeat of russia, are they not ready there for the defeat of russia, this is a very strange story, because i will remind you that during the first world war

, germany ... lost, it was advancing, its army was less than 100 km from paris, not a single foreign soldier, not a single one was, was not on the territory of germany, but germany lost this war when its soldiers were on another territory, why, because it lost an army, and now russia risks precisely this loss, but the question is different, that when germany then had the opportunity to increase its military potential for several decades after that. including at the expense of such allies as stalin's russia, in general , the continuation of the first world war began, that is, the second, in this case, the loss or not the loss of russia is not the result of the desire of the united states, so that they do not think about themselves there, this is the result of the madness of vladimir putin, who destroys in idiotic, absolutely, excuse me for my french, attacks, well, well, absolutely not groundless, in order to pass

two or three meters. it destroys dozens of units equipment, he destroys entire platoons and companies and battalions of his own people, well , that is, well, you can’t do that, he behaves like a gambler who puts everything he has on the line, including his wife, horse and last pieces of clothing, that is, he the player, and he does it, he, he burns his army, he's the one who burns it, and at some point he's going to... he's going to get to a point where he's just not going to be able to continue the war, so it's not the united states, it's that , who said, these are not my words, these are timenti snyder, who said that the event is not can keep russia from defeat no matter what he does, but there is another story, very important: the west can keep ukraine from winning, which actually happens from time to time, in this case, when we see this plan of the united states to win ukraine, well it's

not really global. the plan for our victory, this is actually the document that was promised to the congress, when they voted on the 60 billion, there was a more connected question that the administration should provide a plan within a few months, and here they have provided a plan for the 61 billion, six of which are already burning, because the congress has to shuffle them somewhere, this is the whole issue of redistributing the 60 billion that they allocated to help ukraine, of which real aid is not 60, but less than 20 million. and which still need to be used in due time, so we should not create illusions that the united states knows how to defeat putin and force him to surrender, no, they are not busy with everything right now, but the question is that we should be busy with , what should we be busy with, i.e. standing, because we have nothing of another choice, thank you, thank you larisa, friends, i would like to remind you that we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, we conduct surveys throughout our broadcast and ask you about this,

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