said, i don't like energy pr, but there is energy pr, because i see these statements reassuring galushchenko, kotin, everything is there, everything, in fact, the gas turbine plant, which was presented by the us government in december 23, was installed only in june of this year , 24 mw, the minister instructed to install it. and this is a demonstrative example, that is, in the future , of course, you can count on the construction of new nuclear power plants, if there are chegeryn nuclear units, but if you are really talking about the fact that it is necessary quickly, qualitatively and already yesterday, how much to bet already solar, wind, hydro, biodiesel have long been needed, as far as these projects can provide the necessary generation. on ukrainians

during the heating season, in particular, well , now i hope for big ukrainian business, because when they saw what was happening with the loss of 9,000 megawatts and when enterprises stopped due to power outages, they began to ensure the energy security of their factories and build gas pistons themselves , gas turbine. not sunny, for example, next to me, with my house, the epicenter, they, these roofs are all sunny, but solar power plants in the climatic conditions of ukraine, they do not work almost in winter, there is a separate place where the snow needs to be cleared and so on, this is firstly, secondly, i believe that adopting, for example, adopting the energy strategy of ukraine until the 50th year . in april

23, this is madness, because we do not know, energy, it is calculated on the basis of economic forecasts, we do not know what the structure of the economy will be, we lost an energy-intensive metallurgical enterprise, there are some, we lost the population, large consumers, we lost a population of 7 million years ago this strategy should be adopted after such a big one. in my opinion, and now we have tactical, tactical goals, this autumn and winter period and the next will also be difficult, and without energy pr, i would like to separately pay attention to the magate mission and the head of magate, rafael grossi, who is criticized by many ukrainians on the one hand, they say, well, why does he go to...

the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, communicates with muscovites, he also went to kurdistan, but where are the results? why the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant still continues to exist under occupation, various sabotages continue, which, in fact, the people of nikopol, who see these sabotages in essence through a large meadow, so to speak, and the cooling tower burned recently, and well, some say that... if there was no magate mission, there would still be worse. please evaluate what work was done during the years of the great war, the full-scale invasion by the head of the magat and experts, analysts, representatives of the mission? well, first of all, i think that the presence of the magate mission in zas is useful because we have lost sources of information. well, maybe some special services have sources of information from the au. but, for example, i had a lot. personal contacts, and all these

personnel left for the controlled territory, this is, firstly, secondly, worse, they are as independent observers, it is clear that magateni's mandate provides, for example, some such requirements to the occupying administration, that they some technical solutions accepted, no, uh, but they, well... write messages that the international nuclear community trusts, because we blame the russians - russia, russia blames us, and when the mission appeared, and now for the last year, i was surprised that they began to write more such frank reports, for example, about the fact that they began to distinguish the exits of anti-aircraft missile barrel artillery next to as. or arrivals,

they previously figured it out, figured it out, although they are not military experts, they must be an inspector for accounting and control of nuclear materials there. because the iaea was created to control the implementation of the treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, and the accounting and control of nuclear materials is the main function, and from the employees of the magata, only people who are responsible for accounting and control of nuclear, they have such positions as inspectors, others are experts in nuclear safety, traditional safety, operational safety, and so on. he cannot say that this shelling was carried out by russia, because russia recently wrote in its notes, at the invitation of the russian side, the mission of the magathe, and that tat, that is, as soon as they

write the truth, they will no longer be invited to zas, second moment, e. now we do not have a head of permanent representation with international organizations in vienna since november 23rd, and when the kurdish military operation began, the russians, well, they started provocations, writing notes, for example, on august 9, a note was registered in which it is written that we found kurs on prommaydanchyk. .. rocket debris, then the phrase: facts of direct fire at kurchatov, kursk nuclear power plant, kurs energy structures, not recorded, then on august 11, a fire at the cooling tower with accusations

of ukraine that two drones hit, despite the fact that the cooling tower has means of radio-electronic warfare, there are means. observation of walls that needs power supply, and the fire was due to the fact that there is a reliable source from the zaporizhzhya as, they reported, a generator with a reserve of fuel, that is why such a powerful fire was spectacular, with smoke so black, that was it, there were no nuclear radioactive materials there, 2 km from power units, that is, there was no danger of nuclear radiation. but this is as part of the preparation of an informational statement to accuse ukraine that we intend to buy the kas course, and by the way, unfortunately, our ukrainian political scientists, political technologists who comment on all issues, they started there

to develop conspiracy theories about what to buy in order to exchange for military equipment, or something else, but we, unlike russia, stick to it. international obligations and, for example, my native military, and i know how difficult it is to adhere to the geneva conventions for the treatment of prisoners of war, and it is a risk to life when you take them out of the front line, that is, the purpose of the kursk operation in my opinion is completely different, no one is not going to fire there, the russians are there again... all august , the head of the russian post-pretence met in person, ulyanov met with grossi, persuaded him to go to kursk, he came, they insisted that he admit that this was the result of the shelling of kursk by the ukrainian armed forces, but he also

did not say anything, that is, the work of magate is actually quite important, not just declarative, as many spoke at the beginning. and these are really useful steps, as it is now really timely according to the announcement of energoatom that the iaea will expand the representation of its monitoring missions at ukrainian infrastructure facilities that have an impact on the safety of nuclear power plants, i think it will be good, especially when such mass attacks will unfortunately continue, for example, why did such a proposal arise from the ukrainian side, because two... were on the verge of a radiation accident, why? when, for example, something hits a transformer near the power station, an open switchgear near the power station, the emergency protection system stops the regular

power units, the chain reaction and safety stop, this time the russians hit the transformers not near the power station, but... somewhere the second line such, but they are important for issuance power also jammed, hit and fluctuations began in the network and... the reactor did not know how to behave, that is, on august 26, i will also remind the viewers that the attack was just at the exits from the nuclear tanks, the output of power from the nuclear units, and i think , that the magate mission, well, in fact, will help to control the situation, if not to put pressure on russia, as you say, then at least fix, fix, well, yesterday was the first... such a visit was in place magates is the closest somehow there, they are also on khmelnytskyi,

rivneskyi, south ukrainian, i.e. they recorded the destruction, the degree, there will be a technical report, it is clear that there are many such objects in ukraine, on which security depends, and we were actually also on the verge of a blackout, that is, the breakdown of the unified parts of the power system. and the first, third and fourth rymna power units stopped irregularly, the khmelnytskyi power unit was working, the output of a powerful non-united power system, to poland through the khas zhyshov line and then the southern ukrainian one due to the fluctuation of purity changes, irregular and so on, what is this dangerous, there is such a thing as the engineer says, it is dangerous to open the safety valve, and it is like an explosion, there is such

a sound as an explosion in the first circuit, and the loss of the coolant of the first circuit, this is water that directly cools the heat-emitting assemblies in the reactor core, fortunately for us , the valves closed. but if they didn't... there would be like three my island in the us, a core meltdown accident where the coolant loss goes, a core meltdown with release radioactivity, in 1979 the usa had such a situation, that is, it is very dangerous, and the fact that ukraine wrote an official note is that's right, and only after that, when the note was in public access, something is there, our regulator where... the regulatory atom wrote something, the minister is now actively promoting these

dangers for the au, that is, on the one hand, the russians allegedly comply with article 56 of the additional protocol to the geneva conventions , where it is written that it is not possible to fire at nuclear plants or dams that contain dangerous villages for the population, but you see, they do not fire at the object in particular, but at the second line. well, they designed in soviet times, they know these vvr100, vvr 440 that we operate. well, i think that in the second part of our program with olga kosharna, we will talk about the sanctions that should be introduced in the opinion of ukrainians and the international community against rosatom, this is important, because rosatom knows the construction of ukrainian nuclear power plants, which is why such massive attacks continue. let's take a break and be back in the studio in a moment. an unusual

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on espresso. let's return to the espresso studio. olga kosharna, an independent expert on nuclear energy and safety, is a guest of espresso interview. so, mrs. olya, we are... with you on such a delicate but strategically important topic, these are sanctions against wolverines, they are being talked about in the european union, in the states, tanya, but here we dare to introduce restrictions against of a large corporation, which in fact spread its, well, claws on all continents, they don’t dare, they talked about the 10th and 11th, it seems like a package, but nothing happened there, in your opinion, how important is it now

to at least start with something , in order to tighten the nuts of rosatom, well, this is very... important are sanctions and personal sanctions against the management of the state corporation and against some companies connected, well, to rosatom, there are many companies there, and engineering, and production, with a nuclear fuel cycle and so on, well, the usa, great britain and ukraine used them, as for european countries, it is because of the personal position of slovakia. and hungary, which, for example, issued a license in the 22nd year for the construction of spaksh under a russian project for russian loans, but there will be no consolidated sanctions against rossat. moreover, on the one hand, france supports ukraine. even macron said that he does not mind if there are french troops on the territory of ukraine, but the state company

fromatom was created together with a russian company. on the territory of germany , a joint venture to produce for the soviets reactors fvr 440 heat-releasing assemblies under the license of the russian company tvl. well, these are double standards, first of all, that's why i believe that our diplomats should work with the representatives of the european states of the european union so that they apply, starting with personal sanctions against the leadership. likhachev, there is... the head of the corporation, he also goes to vienna there, he meets magate, vienna, you understand, and so on, as regards projects, a portfolio of orders from rosa of 140 billion dollars, all over the world, all over the world, here i see there bangladesh is being built,

turkey, india, china, egypt, eh, now kazakhstan is considering some memoranda and signing them, uzbekistan, kyrgyzstan, and they are building not only nuclear power plants, for example, in kyrgyzstan they have a hydroelectric power station there, but also a small, small modular russian reactor there, yes, that’s why , i believe that our partners, who have authority and influence, on the governments of, for example, egypt or bangladesh, they somehow... behind the scenes have to somehow negotiate, well, here it must be said that not only is the construction of facilities taking place, here countries are being fitted for russian nuclear fuel tvel company, ukraine has already refused and uses the american house, it is possible to take as a first step sanctions against tvel and for those countries which,

unfortunately, already have nuclear units built by russia, to switch to another fuel. well, this is also a paradox, because back in the 14th year, the european commission issued a communication, they were dedicated to the energy security of europe, and for the first time it was analyzed which types of energy resources each state depends on imports, and it was recommended in the 14th year to look for another supplier, second, to diversify the supply of nuclear ... fuel for soviet projects, 19 such reactors are now in the eu, when the full-scale second one began, first in march of the 22nd year, finland abandoned the russian project, they planned a new construction, and now finland has also already declared that they bought a batch

of westinghouse fuel for vvr 440 reactors, you see, you can do something, that is, where 12 years. it was lost, well, 12, 10, and why only finland, maybe, well, now they were uniting, the czech republic is also on this path, there movements, but it is not very fast, unlike gas, raw materials, this is a technological product, it is necessary to carry out research and exploitation there, that is, it takes four years, and now they have united and used it. that is the ukrainian experience of introducing westinghouse fuel, we also used westinghouse fuel on the 440s before, but now we use vvr 1000 fuel. last year , the first batch for vvr 440, the first , the second, rivne, was loaded on one of the blocks, but while this zone will be fueled by one manufacturer,

several fuel companies, three or four, are needed years, well, if such specific examples already exist, i think that the european union really needs to make some economic restrictions, some sanctions, at least minor pro... teros of the atom based on such real stories, as with finland, as with ukraine , which uses american fuel for nuclear reactors, well, if we talk further about atomic energy in the world, where ukraine is integrated, in particular in the european union, how much does the international community does on renewable sources of energy, or still a peaceful atom will remain one of the main electricity suppliers for many years? i... i think the best mix is ​​nuclear power recovery, because we have to fulfill the paris, the paris

climate change agreement, and there are a lot of projects right now, that's the trend right now for the development of small and medium modular reactors, more, more than 80 already different projects, and the pioneer is canada. they have such territories in the north, where, for example, as in russia, here is the northern sea route, so only there 30 days a year can you start diesel fuel, they adopted at the state level a program for the implementation of small and medium-sized modular reactors, and they selected three different technologies, three different suppliers, and the first... unit should be operational in the 28th year, we have time to monitor how the process is going, that is,

to select the best technology after the victory, i believe that the future of the nuclear power industry of ukraine the era of gigantism is over, that is , we are moving to modular reactors, to modular ones, for example, i know that the company dtek considered these technologies in order to build them, so what happened before the invasion. build them on sites of coal-fired thermal power plants, and now akhmetov is actually left without a business in thermal generation, because the russians damaged everything, and in this direction he has renewable sources, fathers battery batteries, and i think that there are early investors, here is an american company ukrainian, where andriy kobolev is also there, they studied the possibilities. industrial localization, the production of these reactors and so on here, and i think that this is the future nuclear power industry in ukraine together with the development of hydrogen generation and

solar wind, and about the near future, this is a really difficult winter that awaits us, distributed generation, which has been announced by the authorities, how much energy from the sun... wind, water and indeed nuclear power plants can balance in the conditions of the shelling of the russian federation, because i will remind you, well, nowhere don't worry, they will continue on energy infrastructure objects, i 'm sure they will, well, first of all, wind and solar, they need to be balanced, because wind is better even if it's sunny, because the wind happens even at night, and we had... black hair in other countries of the world 70% wind generation and about 30 solar, and we

had the opposite, because the tariff was included in the law, the law named after the klyuyev brothers, i call it, that is, they tied the cost of a kilowatt to the euro in the law, not a decree so that it could be canceled, that is, and therefore, it gave an impetus to... development, but not proportional, no, not balanced, and well, we have what we have, and we lost every 18 gw of electricity generation of various kinds, and wind, in particular in the occupied territories, which are no longer in our energy system, you understand, that is, for example, in the kherson region, on the clearing is occupied, there are many wind power plants, which were useful now, but yes, that's why i see... development for balancing gas turbine gas piston and biogas power plants, but

i saw about biogas... one of such objects is quite recent solution, it is true, it is a modern small compact complex, it is clear that a little, maybe the smell from it is not so unnatural, but nevertheless, it is an investment, it is a certain locality, and it is a natural resource for providing electricity, in fact, even a small one paradise center, in your opinion, as far as possible... mm, not at the state level, but at the level of companies, businesses, such objects can become powerful and powerful for entrepreneurs, well, i hope for ukrainian business, for private investments , for self-sufficiency, first of all, and this process has already begun, i believe that it is necessary to attract private business there on the basis of a public-private partnership, even for a small and medium-sized nuclear reactor, it is also possible, i.e.

to provide. yes, definitely, and i believe that, for example, our partners or investors foreign, they should cooperate with territorial communities, i believe that this is centralization, how minister galushchenko wants to manage everything, no, it is impossible, it is impossible to coordinate, i see that he does not manage well and coordinates, for example, the energy support fund where ...donors, i recommend to my colleagues abroad and in poland to communicate and communicate with territorial communities, and this will be very effective . are there any specific cases? successful territorial communities that are as independent as possible were preparing for the winter, perhaps such small biodiesel plants or large ones were installed.

generators, which villages can, at least , provide such social infrastructure with electricity, well, i participated in the transmission of khmelnytskyi regional television, and here is khmelnytskyi, as an example, they went for three years to provide the most critical infrastructure, ternopil and zhytomyr, these are the mayors , in fact, the mayors who go there for the international... attract investments and so on, so i think that this is the hope for preserving the normal conditions of which, here and an investor can specifically come to a certain location and see the object, know exactly where he invests money, in which installation, on which plot of land, and not just help for the general general account, let's say the state, and then where these funds will go to... which

project will be directed, well , it is quite difficult now, in particular, i am following international receipts, the authorities are announcing record sums for energy and social payments, for business support, but i would like to see specific calculation, what kind of society, the public does not see, where did that hryvnia, dollar or euro go? well, here are my colleagues, experts, independent public organizations, the association of energy efficiency of cities, and so on, they conduct trainings on how to draw up a business plan for a specific project, and when the community comes with such a business plan, for example, well i do not know of such cases where the energy support fund, which is managed by the ministry, allocated something to territorial communities for a specific project, unfortunately i do not know of such examples, well, if we talk about one a minute about global financing by international partners, but it’s still interesting

what kind of global... projects are being implemented now by the ministry, energoatom, well, energoatom of global projects, preparatory work at the site x3, kha4 without any regulations, well, they are restoring some crane there for 260 million, they buy some construction wagons like battle tanks and something else, but there is no law that allows to already develop a working project and... i don't like that russian reactors are being bought in bulgaria is planned, uh, but the bulgarians again announced today that they have postponed for another 180 days, the decision on the sale of the energy atom of these payments. indeed, there are still questions, but, unfortunately, there is no more time. olga kosharna, an independent expert on nuclear energy and safety, was a guest at espresso. i will be with you about...