really useful steps, as it is now really timely according to the announcement of energoatom that the iaea will expand the representation of its monitoring missions at ukrainian infrastructure facilities that have an impact on the safety of nuclear power plants. it seems to me that it will be good, especially when such mass attacks will, unfortunately, continue. well, for example, why such a proposal arose from the ukrainian side, because on the 26th. were on the verge of a radiation accident, why? when, for example, something hits the transformer near the as, the open switchgear near the as, then the emergency protection system stops the power units as scheduled, the chain reaction and safety stops, this time the russians hit the transformers not next to the as, but somewhere... the round line is like this, but they

are important for power output, they also hit, and fluctuations began in the network and reactors did not know how to do it, that is, on august 26, i will remind the audience that the attack was just at the exits from the nuclear power plants, and i think that the mission. that, in fact, will help to control the situation, if you do not put pressure on russia, as you do you say, at least record, record, well , yesterday the first such visit was in the town of magates, the nearest one is there, they are also in khmelnytskyi, in rivne, in southern ukraine, that is, they recorded the degree of destruction, there will be a technical inspection, it is clear that such there are many objects in ukraine. on which security depends, and at that time we

were also on the verge of a blackout, i.e. , the collapse of the power system in all its parts, and the first, third, and fourth rymnensky power units stopped irregularly, the khmelnytskyi power unit was working, the issue a powerful non-united power system, to poland through the khas zrzeszow line and... then the southern ukrainian one due to the fluctuation of changes in purity , non-regulatory and so on. such a sound as an explosion in the first circuit and the loss of the coolant of the first circuit is water that cools. directly

heat-releasing assemblies in the reactor core, fortunately for us these valves closed, but if they had not closed, it would have been like three my island in the usa, the accident, the meltdown of the core, when the loss of the coolant goes on, the meltdown of the core with the release of radioactivity, in 1979 the usa had such a thing, that is, it is very dangerous, and the fact that ukraine wrote a note... officially, this is correct, and only after that, when the note was in the public domain, our regulator deshat regulation wrote something, the minister is now actively promoting these dangers for the au, that is, on the one hand, the russians are allegedly complying with article 56 of the additional protocol to the geneva conventions conventions, where it is written that it is not possible to fire at a nuclear

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so, mrs. olya, we stopped with you on such a delicate but strategically important topic, the topic of sanctions against. atom they are being talked about in the european union, in the states, great britain, but here they dare to introduce restrictions against a large corporation, which in fact has unleashed its, well, claws on all continents, they don’t dare, they talked about the 10th and 11th, it seems like a package, but nothing happened there. in your opinion, how important is it to start after all, because... with something, in order to tighten the nuts for rosatom, well, this is very important, sanctions and personal sanctions against the management of the state corporation and against some companies connected, well, in the structure of rosatom, there are many companies there, both

engineering and manufacturing, and with a nuclear fuel cycle and so on, well, the usa, great britain and ukraine applied it, as for... european countries, because of the personal position of slovakia and hungary, which, for example, issued a license in the 22nd year for construction at aspk in russian. project for russian loans, but there will be no consolidated sanctions against rosat. moreover, on the one hand, france supports ukraine, even macron said that he does not mind if there are french troops on the territory of ukraine, but the state company fromatom created a joint venture with the russian company twel on the territory of germany to produce fvr reactors for the soviets 4,140 heat-dissipating assemblies under the license of the russian company tvel, well, this is double standards, it

first of all, that is why i believe that our diplomats should work with the representatives of the european states of the european union, so that they apply, starting with personal sanctions against the leadership. likhachev, there is the head of the corporation, he also goes to vienna there, meets magate, vienna. you understand, and so on, as for projects, the portfolio of orders totaling 140 billion dollars all over the world, all over the world, i see there bangladesh is building, turkey, india, china, egypt, now kazakhstan is being considered, i am already signing some memoranda, uzbekistan, kyrgyzstan , and not only build. for example, in kyrgyzstan they have a hydroelectric power station there, and

a small, small modular russian reactor there, yes, therefore, i believe that our partners who have authority, influence on the governments of, for example, egypt or bangladesh, they somehow have to negotiate behind the scenes , well , here it must be said that not only the construction of facilities is taking place, here... countries are opting for nuclear fuel from the russian tvel company, ukraine has already refused and is using americam westinhouse, it is possible to take the first step, these are really sanctions against tvel, and for those countries which , unfortunately, already have nuclear reactors built by russia, to switch to another nuclear fuel, well , this is also prodox, because the european commission issued a communication back in the 14th year. they were there devoted to the energy security of europe, and for the first time it was analyzed

what types of energy resources each state depends on imports, and it was recommended to the 14th year to look for another supplier, the second, to diversify the supply of nuclear fuel for soviet projects, such 19 reactors are now in there is, when full-scale invasion it first started in march 22 , finland refused the russian project, they were planning a new construction, and now finland has also already announced that they bought a batch of westinghouse fuel for vvr 440 reactors, you see, something can be done, that is, where 12 years lost were, well, 12, 10, and why only finland, maybe, well, now they were uniting. the czech republic is already moving along this path, but it is not very fast,

unlike gas, raw materials, this is a technological product, it is necessary to carry out research and exploitation there, that is, it takes four years, and now they have united and are using the ukrainian experience of introducing westinghouse fuel, we are also on 440v. previously vvr 1000 westinghouse fuel, and now last year the first batch for vvr 440 was loaded, the first second rivnesky on one of the blocks, but until this zone is fueled by one manufacturer, several fuel companies are needed, three or four years. well , if such specific examples already exist, i think that the european union does need it. make really some economic restrictions, some kind of sanctions, at least minor ones, against russia

based on such real stories as with finland, as well as with ukraine, which uses american fuel for nuclear reactors, well , if we talk further about atomic energy in the world, where ukraine is integrated, in particular in the european union, to what extent is the international community betting on renewable energy sources, or will the peaceful atom remain? one of the main suppliers of current for many years. i think the best mix is ​​source recovery with nuclear energy, because... we have to implement the paris agreement on climate change, and now there are a lot of projects, this is the trend now for the development of small and medium-sized modular reactors, more, more than 80 different projects, and the pioneer is canada, they have there are such

areas in the north, where, for example, as in russia, so ... yes, only there 30 days a year you can start diesel fuel, they adopted at the state level a program for the introduction of small and medium-sized modular reactors, they selected three different technologies, three different suppliers, and the first unit should be operational in the 28th year, we have time, a monitor. how the process is going, that is , to select the best technology after the victory, i believe that the future era of gigantism in the nuclear energy industry of ukraine is over, that is , we are moving to modular reactors, to modular ones, for example, i know that the dtek company considered these technologies in order to build them, well , which led to the invasion, to build them on

the sites of coal-fired thermal power plants, and now, in fact, akhmetov is left without... the business in thermal generation, because the russians damaged everything, and in this direction he has renewable sources, in these batteries, and i think that there are early investors, the company is american-ukrainian, where andriy kobolev is also there, they studied the possibilities of industrial localization, production these reactors and so on here, and i think that this is the future... and about the near future, this is a really difficult winter that awaits us distributed generation, which is announced by the authorities, how much solar, wind, water energy and really nuclear

power plants can balance in conditions... after all, the attacks on the russian federation, because i will remind you, well, it will not go anywhere, they will continue on the objects of the energy infrastructure, they will, i am sure, well, first of all, wind and solar, they must be balanced, because wind is even better than sunny, because the wind also happens at night, we had a skew in other countries of the world, 70% of wind generation and somewhere 30. sunny, and we had the opposite, because the tariff was included in the law, the law named after the klyuyev brothers, i call it, that is, they tied the cost of a kilowatt to the euro in laws, not decrees, so that it can be canceled, that is, and that is why the post office gave for development, but not proportional, not

balanced, and well, we have what we have. and we lost about 18 gw of various and wind power generation, in particular in the occupied territories, which are no longer in our power system, you understand, that is, for example, in the kherson region in the occupied clearing, there are many wind power plants that were useful now, but that’s why i see development for balancing gas turbine gas piston and power plants on... bigas, about biogas, one of such facilities saw a fairly fresh solution, it's true, it's a modern, small, compact complex, it's clear that a little, maybe the smell from it is not, unnatural leaves, but nevertheless, it's an investment , this locality is certain,

and it is a natural resource for providing electricity. even a small regional center, in your opinion, as far as possible, not at the state level, but at the level of a business company, such objects can become powerful and powerful for entrepreneurs, well, i hope for ukrainian business on private investment for self-sufficiency is a change, and the process has already begun, i believe that it is necessary to attract private business there on the basis of public-private partnership for... even a small and medium-sized nuclear reactor is also possible, that is, to provide for your company plus society so definitely and i believe that... partners or investors are foreign, they should cooperate with territorial communities, i believe that this is centralization, as minister

galushchenko wants to manage everything, no, it is impossible, it is impossible to coordinate, i i see that he poorly manages and coordinates, for example, the energy support fund, where are the donors, i recommend it to my colleagues abroad and in poland and so on. something else, communicate and communicate with territorial communities, and this will be very productive, are there certain successful cases of territorial communities that are as independent as possible, prepared for winter, installed perhaps small biodiesel plants or large generators that villages can, at least well to provide such social infrastructure with electricity, well, i took it. participation in the transmission khmelnytskyi regional television, and khmelnytskyi, as an example, they went for three years

to provide the most critical infrastructure, ternopil and zhytomyr, these are the mayors, actually the mayors who go there to international conferences, attract investments and so on, so i think that this is hope for preservation. here, the investor can specifically come to a certain location and see the object, know exactly where he invests money, in which installation, on which plot of land, and not just help for a general, general account, well, let's talk about the state, but where then these funds will be directed to which project they will be directed, well, it is quite difficult now, but in particular, i monitor international receipts and announce them. the government really has record sums for energy, and for social payments, for business support, but i would like to see a specific calculation that

society, the public does not see, where did that hryvnia, dollar or euro go? well, here are my colleagues, experts, independent public organizations, associations of energy efficiency of places there, and so on, they conduct trainings on how to draw up a business plan for specific project, and when the community comes with such a... business plan already, for example, well, i do not know of such cases where the territorial community allocated something from the energy support fund, which is managed by the ministry, for a specific project, unfortunately i do not have such examples i know, but if we talk about global financing by international partners for a minute, it’s still interesting what global projects are currently being implemented by the ministry, energoatom, well, energoatom of global projects, preparatory work... site x3 x4 without any regulatory, well they are restoring some kind of crane there for 260 million,

they are buying some construction wagons like battle tanks, and something else, but there is no law that allows us to develop a working project, and i do not like that russian reactors are being purchased in bulgaria, it is planned, uh, but the bulgarians again today's announcement... that they postponed for another 180 days the decision on the sale of the energy atom of these payments. indeed, there are still questions, but, unfortunately, there is no more time. olga kosharna, an independent expert on nuclear energy and safety, was a guest at espresso. i will say goodbye to you. stay with us and watch us. the new season is your pair, order a pair: super warm and very comfortable alaska style boots, perfect

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