"i would vote for mccain and romney, that's the trick, i would vote for reagan and not for carter, i'm sorry for reagan and not for whoever was the candidate then, well, carter, of course, for reagan, not for carter, i'd vote for ford over carter, despite the whole ottergate story, ford has always been more dominant to me." than carter, i would then vote for mccain, not for obama, for george bush sr., well and such, that is, it turns out, i look at it like this, that i am all the time, all the time, maybe there except for the white clinton, it must come to think of it, i would vote exclusively for republicans, and bush jr., zavusha jr., yes of course, ugh, ugh. i would

vote, there were times when i wouldn't vote, i would vote for lyndon johnson over bally goldor, but i would vote for richard nixon over jfk, you know? i would vote for dwight esenhower, he was also a republican, but not for him, who was there, i already forgot his democratic opponent, that is, there were some rare situations in the american history of the 20th century. if i would vote for democracy, for roosevelt, yes johnson, and probably for clinton, but it would be personal sympathy, it would be an emotion, i will say that we do not have such emotions for barack obama, and i believe that both mccain and romney are much more serious, thoughtful, strategically thinking politicians for me , than barack obama, although i recognize the personality of barack obama, he is a great personality from the point of view of political, what...

to say, and i understand why he was the president of the united states twice, i have no questions, i'm just talking about myself, so what, so why am i telling you about it like this in detail, something the republicans have done that makes my three me vote for candidates from another party three times in a row, and not for candidates that i would like to see for president, let's say i would not like to see hillary clinton for president of the united states , i would just vote for her if there was no trump. i'd... vote for biden, sure, but i don't know if i 'd vote for camelo harris if there was another republican candidate, like some sort of mitch mcconnell, or nikki haley, if if they asked me who kalukharic or nikki haley is, well, i consider nikki haley to be an absolutely acceptable candidate, so when they nominate trump, they show me that they have abandoned their values, i am a person of values, why do i have principles.. .

to agree with their rejection of values, why should i accept it and legitimize it, i don't want to, and i think that the way you explained your own emotions, they have them in a large number of americans, that's why the dickchains are also surprised, how is this so it happened like this big batch i was building turned into some kind of club of trump's children and his relatives, well, i couldn't be the same, well , here you are, that is, there is no legacy, there is no... continuity, trump has practically completely torn the legacy of bush, and the elders with the youth, and the legacy of reagan and the legacy barry goldwarter and nixon's legacy as a foreign policy strategist, that's all absolutely, although maybe i 'm talking too much about nixon, because nixon, by and large, was also more of a pragmatist than an official person. and

we still see the results of his pragmatism, they are negative, so basically it's such a complicated story for me and i think a complicated story for dekaney. here is the answer to your question. if we are still talking about the united states of america, here is the last topic: volodymyr zelensky announced his trip to the usa. when it will be, we don't know yet. i understand, to the session of the general. well , he probably said that it will be in september, that is, as far as i understand, it is the end of september, the dates need to be specified, but less so, on this trip, on this meeting with the leaders of the united states america and other countries, zelenskyy is going to present a victory plan, and he is also going to present this victory plan to kamala harris, trump, in this

context, how to build relations with ukraine now. including the same trump himself. we see that, in principle, the ukrainian leadership is trying to maneuver like this, not knowing who will win after all. and is it really correct to present that plan, which, in principle, will most likely not be implemented yet? well, first of all, i don't know what to do in this plan. president zelenskyi already said he would show it to biden first, then to ee. kamel harris and donald trump, and then they will show it to the people. if there is a document that can be shown to people, then it is not a plan, because plans of any kind only make sense when they are seen only for official use. so, this is just a certain set of proposals that should help ukraine preserve its sovereignty and restore

territorial integrity. intentions in principle, i believe that there is nothing wrong with maintaining contacts with... two candidates, i.e. zelensky foresees both the possibility of kamela harris’s victory and the possibility of donald trump’s victory, that is why he is very cautious about trump, he says that trump understands him, i think this is not true, i am sure that if trump is elected president of the united states, he will sneeze at zelenskyi, but this is so, it is also not necessarily so, because there may already be other forces that will put pressure on trump, not zelenskyi, the forces supporting ukraine, also among the republicans, trump was too big blame it on zelenskyi. poroshenko and when he was president, but he had to reckon with the forces of support for ukraine in the congress, in society, and i really hope that it will be so, but if we talk about the real plan, then i, if i were

a diplomat there, of course , a document that would be submitted to the winner of the presidential elections, there would be logic in this, that is, the elections are taking place. the president of the united states, this or that candidate wins, and i, as the president of ukraine, to this candidate who takes over affairs from the new old administration, represents his plan for victory, you don't need to show it to everyone, you only need to show it to one person, the new president of the united states, well, president zelensky decided to go the other way, i don't... i think that from a political point of view, with from the point of view of this infatuation with presentation, you see that the president has a love for presentation, for speeches, for speeches, for public presence, this is connected with his real acting profession, and if he can

believe that if he goes to united states, then he has to do something so spectacular that he will make this trip unforgettable, this is cinematic logic, but imagine that we have a script, we ... live in the logic of this script, and you ask the producer, what will make my trip unforgettable , well, not the trip , my, my appearance in the frame, here i appear in the frame of the series at the 15th minute, i am the star of the series volodymyr zelenskyi, the double is called the arrival to new york, bang, let's go, what do you have to do to remember oh, i can't pass so easily, maybe i'll have a nice time, can i... hit some russian spy, well, it's all interesting when you're an actor, but you're the president, you can't do that, you know, because it doesn't matter if you're going to smoke or beat someone, you need something else, as the president, because you are acting as the president, well, that means a plan to win, i came to the united states with a new plan,

and then they discuss it, i offered it to the president, i offered it to trump, i talked to camela harris, we are discussing it, the very fact of my actions, well... this love for such i would say, public steps, it could lead to the presentation of such a document, it cannot be, it may not be anything concrete, if you analyze the anatomy of how the president works in general, how his entourage works, they work in the logic of the series, they they perceive politics, politics in particular, fortunately they do not perceive the war as a tv series, well, if you understand that you are not dealing with politicians, but with people who are filming this... a big tv series of president volodymyr zelenskyi on the bank, then then everything absolutely becomes clear and transparent and possible to calculate, by the way, it is dangerous, because it is not only me, if you work in the federal security service of the russian federation or in the foreign intelligence service , the principle does not need information, you can calculate every step, if you understand this

logic of the series, but the problem is that for no, it's not a problem, happiness is that vladimir putin also lives in logic, only a different series, as i already told someone, it seems to me in our previous broadcast. of a very old soviet series, and here is this one, which means cringe, one might say, old soviet series, and this, i would say, is a new post-soviet series. you see, i once said in the 19th year that this is a competition between the kvn and the kgbb, and now it is a struggle between the 17 localities of vesna and the servant of the people. it's just that these two films are playing at the same time, and in one film we are being shot and killed, in the other film we are living the rich life of people's favorites. and so these two, these studios make these two films. unfortunately, we are in a mass. in this situation, but on the other hand, it's better to have a movie like servant of the people

rather than a movie like this because a movie like this allows the society to fight for its interests, for its country, the interests of the head of state are inseparable from the interests of the country in which he is located, because if there is no country, there will be no place to shoot movies, we have another small topic, this is erdogan. brics and support for the return of crimea, but erdogan is once again trying to sit on two chairs, no, he is not trying, he is sitting, he has been sitting on these two chairs for a long time, in fact , we have already talked on previous broadcasts about the fact that turkey applied to join the brics, and on the other hand we saw that there is a statement by erdogan that he supports the territorial integrity of our country and that he... believes that crimea should return, de facto to ukraine, where yure, he is

ukrainian anyway. and one more piece of news, if we are talking about turkey, then we know very well that vladimir putin was going to fly somewhere in some perspective, and again did not fly to turkey, did not fly again, why, because turkey, erdogan did not fulfill his conditions, in particular, one of the conditions was that putin would be... escorted by fighters of the air force of the russian federation, this was refused, of course, the argument was that allegedly ukraine could shoot down putin’s plane or create some kind of sabotage, yes, and the argument of the turkish side was that the air and missile defense of this country could appreciate the presence of russian fighter jets, russian... strategic and tactical aviation in the sky as enemy equipment that can simply be shot down, well, also such cynicism, so that

one plane cannot be distinguished from another , here is the air defense, well, that is, you see how in reality everyone tries to sit on two chairs, and how do you evaluate these maneuvers of erdoğan and, after all, who is turkey supporting in this case, whether it is itself or they are supporting themselves. ukraine is a guarantee of the national rights of the crimean tatar people. the presence of crimea as part of russia is the absence of this guarantee, by the way, it is known since the time, relatively speaking, kychuk kazat nadjirsky peace. that russia is simply carrying out ethnocide in crimea, it didn't start in 2014, it started in 1700, well

, we remember the actual genocide of the crimean tatar people, their resettlement in the 40s, that's right, but this the katerna times began, not from stalin's, not from putin's, this happens all the time, so they believe that ukraine is a democratic state with a different demographic, well, think about it, well, that's how it is in ukraine after all. otherwise, there are 30 million people living in russia, 130 in russia. russia can replace the population in crimea, increase it, which is what it is doing, they have been doing it for a long time. yes, blurring the role of the crimean tatar people. ukraine cannot do this objectively and it is not interested in doing it consciously. russia in is interested in this and does it consciously. if you put yourself in erdogan's place, you will understand that it is beneficial for you to have crimea as ukrainian. even without any emotions. just pure cold calculation. at the same time, you want to maintain a relationship with russia, because it's economically profitable for you, tourists, profit from helping russia circumvent

sanctions, and at the same time you have to balance here not to fall out with the west, so you explain these relations with russia because you want to be a mediator, and brics me in this situation does not bother me at all, andrei, i have already said that i believe that brics is not a russian club, but a chinese one, and it will be very important for erdogan to be a part of the global south. if russia were not in brics, he would also go there, even i said, he would more likely go to brics than if russia were not there, because the very presence of russia in brics, it erodes. the concept of the global south. russia is not the global north. this is global north. but this is global north, absolutely. ot. and all other countries that are there are countries of the global south. and in this situation, of course, erdogan continues to balance. and we could assume that if he submits an application to brics, then he will not

speak so harshly on the crimean platform. the very fact of its appearance on the crimean platform is already the second time, i think it was last year. made a similar statement, he is already infuriating the russians quite a lot, because i remind you that when the crimean platform began in 2000 20 the first year, it was probably the 55th anniversary of independence, how long has ukraine been independent of ukraine, 20 years, 30 years in 2021, so 2021 is 30 years, but he wasn't there, the then foreign minister was there. of turkey's affairs, an inhuman shoglu, came, but he did not speak in front of the participants of the summit, and now he is speaking for the second time, and of course, this pisses off putin and company, because he talks about the territorial integrity of ukraine, precisely when talking about crimea, which is always the most painful a place for the russians, well, as we can see, erdogan will certainly continue to sit on

these two chairs, and of course, we will also observe... various kinds and russia's help from turkey and, conditionally speaking, the support of ukraine at certain moments, this is the position of this state. a short pause, literally a few minutes, and we will come back to you with one more interesting topic, wait. tingle. tingling or crawling of ants in the limbs occur spontaneously and worry you. a special complex of active substances of dolgit antinevro helps to normalize the functioning of the nervous system. dolgit antineuro helps to return to usual activities without tingling and numbness in the limbs. capsules are long antineuro - help to your nervous system. september discounts on zzilor 20% in

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front with taras berezovets every saturday at 21:30 at espresso. saturday political club live ether. we continue, and we have another interesting topic, interesting - because it is about russian propaganda and about the promotion of russian culture in the world, as they say, it would seem that russia came from where they did not expect, russians at war, a documentary film of russian- by the canadian director anastasia trofimova, actually filmed with the support of the canadian state, was to be shown at the festival in toronto. in addition, it was announced and at other festivals of a global scale. fortunately, after the publicity , after the ukrainian state officially

appealed, and journalists, ukrainian citizens all together began to apply, pressure, talk about it, after it appeared in the information space, in fact one of the key tv channels in canada postponed or even canceled the showing of this tape, and... the festival in toronto was also canceled, but there for slightly different reasons, speaking, speaking about the fact that in fact it can be a certain danger for the participants of this very festival, mr. vitaly, we see that the russians are trying to enter from different directions, as they say, with their propaganda, with their russian peace, and it would seem... even in those states that support us one hundred percent, and we see that the russians they try to mimic, they try

to adapt, they try to pass themselves off even to a certain extent as victims, as, for example, in this film, what is happening and how should we resist it, well , react, of course, because here you look, the director of this film, she says that she did such a... ordinary human work, that she did not sympathize with these people, that she simply showed what they were like, and that she, along with her , saw no evidence of war crimes, as if they were to do these things before her eyes war crimes, killing, raping, robbing someone in front of the camera, then she speaks, and this is also a very important point about the fact that if you are for war from any side, then you are. a criminal, and i am for peace, well, this is also an absolutely obvious position that russian propaganda needs, it is an attempt to equalize

the victim of the aggressor, it equates the victim with the aggressor, but in ukraine they want to restore their territorial integrity, protect their sovereignty through war, because no one is going to negotiate with us on peace, so this is all bad. both from the ukrainian and from the russian point of view, they are bad, they are waging war, who is good, the one who stands for peace, and you know this, in the equation of the position of the wolf with the lamb, the lamb tries to resist, and does not want to be ate a wolf, and then someone appears and says: listen, why are you beating the wolf, he too, animals, he also wants to eat, and you hit him hard. and i'm for peace to come to an agreement with the wolf quickly, this is exactly such a position, and then here we are, so we wanted the lamb to come to an agreement with

the wolf, but we'd better eat this lamb for lunch together, it's delicious, because this is what we see, and that's why this movie doesn't have much value for me, because i understand very well what we can hear from people... who are in the russian army, that there are different people, for me it's not necessary to watch the movie, i i don't think we are at war with bio robots there are different people there, some with views, others without, some went there specifically ideologically, others went there for money, others got there by accident, but they make up one single war machine, a machine of destruction, by the way, in the wehrmacht, which was here in the 40s of the 20th century, there were also people with completely different views. recently, you know, this film about the family of the commandant of auschwitz was released on the screen, a feature film, i can't remember

what it's called now, but i'll try to remember. give, here, a film that shows how people live next to auswied, with auschwitz, er, how do they live their lives there, a child, that 's the main character of this, er, film, that's the zone, the zone of interest, that's the name of this movie, by the way, that's exactly it, this he got five oscar nominations, yes this year, well , by and large, that's also, a completely real thing, he won, by the way, an oscar, but again, how much is this movie about happy, idyllic, now i'm watching it, there simply shown there is a fountain, a shower, children, against the background of auschwitz its tower, as far as the fact that these are ordinary people with their desires. and their own

passions, someone reads good books, someone can recite poetry, does it change the fact that they are aggressors, that they kill there, burn people in ovens like in auschwitz, or kill people like in bush? well, what does it change, just as we can make a film and show some negative characters from the ukrainian side, who are corrupt. here are people who use military service for enrichment, we can make such a film, this director can probably make it, there will also be living people who use war, to what extent it changes the essence of the situation, the essence of the situation is very simple: the russian federation attacked ukraine, it is not that russia attacked ukraine, ukraine attacked russia, we do not understand who is right and who is guilty, this is the kind of war, no, there is a clear, clear aggressor here, murderer, rapist. violator

of international law, these people are part of the war machine of this aggressor, those people who are resisting are part of the war machine that is trying to protect this country from destruction, and among these and among these people there are very good people and there may be bad people, it doesn't matter because some people let the good be on the side of evil, and there is no... when he came to a foreign land to kill, and that he loves his wife and children there, others protect their country and it is not of great importance that these people could and may in the future to commit some unworthy deeds in this life, this is life in general, people are different, that is the meaning of our civilization, that people are very different, the question is whose side they are on at the decisive moment, on the side of good and on the side of evil, russians.

"the russian people, the russian army, the russian state, and the russian director are on on the side of unspeakable, terrible, vile evil, and again i will definitely hear that you can't paint with black and white colors, that there are no other colors in my palette, but why do i need other colors when i know who came to my land with weapons , why?" i have to call it evil, well, not quite evil, you know, this is a russian narrative, not everything is so clear-cut, everything, everything is absolutely clear-cut: pokies, murderers, scoundrels, scoundrels, cowards, that's what is on that side of the russian-ukrainian border, well, you can make a million films about it, the essence it won't change, and we always need

to dot those dots. alas, when we talk about the fact that this kind of blackmail, using the humanity of western society, these people will carry their bags of anthems, calling them artistic creations, that's all i want to say , mr. vitaly, thank you , thank you, thank you to our viewers who watched, who watched our conversation saturday politics club, and let's hang in there, see you in a week. victory and peace. greetings to all viewers of the espresso tv channel. it results of the week and iryna koval works for you in the studio. today in the issue. let's start.