trump, we do not know at all what trump's position is, but we can guess whether this is the end of the war in 24 hours or in 48 hours, it can only be this way, but scholz, who spoke about supporting ukraine, about the fact that germany will there with ukraine to the end, and so on and the like, why did he suddenly come out with such initiatives, which to some extent contradict the interests of ukraine, and what do you see there, he says that... he will invite to the peace summit, talks about territorial concessions directly, but he doesn't directly said that there will be territorial concessions, well , he is saying that ukraine may have to, conditionally speaking, give up some, and by the way, the head of the faction, his political force, the social democratic party, if he proposes to create a committee to prepare, clarify and then he clarified a little, so i am now doo-doo-doo-doo-doo, create a contact group. and stated that the contact

group should include china, india, turkey and brazil, which are to play the role of mediator, we also say all the time that we want the country to be global, i do not see here nothing, no special coincidence with the ukrainian position of the case, this is some political position of scholz in order to act as such a chancellor of peace, maybe this is an internal political situation connected with the fact that there is an alternative for germany, there is the sarav alliance, they talk about the necessity. ugh, because it's all just what i'm getting at, that it all coincides after the election that you and i have talked about a lot, and the election that will take place, i think, next sunday, in brandenburg, so that there might be a part of that story, about jady vance, well you see, there's a certain logic to that too, again, i'm not discussing the issue of territory, i'm always reminding that if we...

can't liberate these territories by military means, no there is no possibility of a political return of these territories, well, you just have to tell yourself, that's how many years the turkish republic has controlled the so- called turkish republic of northern cyprus, in 1974, that's how many 50, 50 years, this year, 50 years is over. war drew a demarcation line and there is still no progress in the territorial unification of cyprus. moreover, now i read about such an amazing situation that netflix had to show the famagusta series about how the events related to the occupation by cypriot-turkish troops took place. well, again, it's hard to call it an occupation either, because turkey always says that it stood up to the greek radicals who might have caused it. serious

problems of the turkish population of cyprus, but russia also said the same about crimea, exactly the same, it was also the carbon footprint of this operation in 2014 in the year of the 74th year of the operation of the turkish army, they just messed it up, and netflix took this series off the air, well, it took it off, it took it off in turkey, everywhere, except greece, all over the world, all over the world, it will be in greece, it will be in greece yes. well , it’s just so that we understand how it is that turkey can even do more than russia, ugh, in this regard, but again, if we cannot politically and militarily liberate these territories, then we must prepare for ten years of their stay within the russian federation, not up to 5 years, but up to 55, we, or we win it back by force, or we enter into the process of hope that one day russia will change so much that the new russian.

several times beyond recognition, there were democratic, secular regimes, military regimes, then erdogan began, but the consensus in turkish society was always... very simple: this territory should not be given away. well , it is clear that a similar consensus regarding any territorial acquisitions has always been in russia, and will be, and will be, so, so, when we are told that we should give up control over the territories, i say again that we had no illusions, president zelenskyi is absolutely right when he says that we can use political tools to return these territories if we do not have military force. that is, if there is no military force, at this moment we agree on... a cease-fire, on ending

the war, and we do not recognize that these territories are the territories of the russian federation, and the russian federation does not recognize that these are the territories of ukraine, then it. such is the situation of cyprus or kashmir between india and pakistan, well, it exists. pakistan thinks it is pakistan, india believes that it is india, half of the territories are controlled. pakistan and half of the territory of india. it is like the dnipro of zaporizhzhya or the kherson region. well, that's all. well, that's what it's really about. is such an option possible in the context of the current discussions of the so-called peace initiatives. that such a desire will one day appear not in us, but in russia, so far president putin says that a prerequisite for the end of the war may be the withdrawal of ukrainian troops from all territories that russia has declared as its own, but i also do not think that this serious proposal, firstly,

it is humiliating, so why should we introduce troops from the territory that they cannot capture, and secondly, can a situation arise under which military actions will take place... along the line of demarcation, if they do not have enough strength to continue fighting, i.e. again, let's go back to the proposal of jay divens, jay devens says, on the frontline of the cease -fire, it is like the chinese, and not the entry of ukraine and not the entry, but together with the fact that ukraine must be armed so that russia can no longer attack it. and tell me, please, and if you are putin, you are interested in such a peace agreement, why are you on your line? clash where you know that russia and ukraine claim these territories, and you claim ukrainian territories? why are you armed with americans in ukraine? that is, even a proposal that is quite liberal in relation to putin, relatively speaking,

from the trump camp, it does not suit putin either, well, of course, it is not liberal, it is an open mockery of putin, when jay divan says, we will arm ukraine so that it can to pour no, he says that what is needed is not just a withdrawal of troops and not just an introduction, but demilitarization, fixing the number of the armed forces of ukraine, how many there are 60 thousand according to the istanbul agreements, something up to 1000 there, well, with russian inspection all the time, no modern equipment, that is, it is as you like to explain, this is belarus, well, from the point of view. military belarus, well, actually belarus, yes, and at the same time, imagine the political processes in such a country, imagine that such an agreement has been reached, demilitarization, the war is over, and so on parliamentary elections, and here you are going to the parliamentary elections, andriy, we must have a strong state that will resist russian

aggression, prevent us from seizing more territory, who will vote for you when you , the citizens, know for sure that you have essentially lost war, the americans with... the yanam were allowed to exist, but you don't have an army, well, you're like in some vichy, it's not even belarus, it's like vyshi, just big, maybe for the territory, well, if you want to survive, then you have two ways of survival there in such a country, or you, well, not in such a country, in general, two ways of survival, either you leave here, uh, because you think that russia will definitely come again, or you think that she will not come, if you choose the kind of government that's going to definitely... mate with putin, no, well , in that case, what we're saying is a creeping occupation, it's a creeping political occupation, like, like like in georgia, or in south vietnam after, there, there, it was not only about limiting the army, there was talk about

the russian language, denazification, there was also a whole, well, in the appendices, there is also a language, the language was actually about political ones as well. the degradation of the ukrainian state and its slide into the conditional sphere of influence of this ruskavamir or russia, as you call it, yes, on a temporary basis, because if you do not have an army, you cannot defend even this, well, a fairly simple plan, now the question arises, if jay divens tells putin, you know, nothing will work, we give you these territories in fact, we agree that ukraine will not be a member of nato, although in fact putin does not care at all. not him it worries me too much, but if there was no ukraine, but ukraine, that part of ukraine that you did not succeed in conquering, you will not be able to conquer, because there will be such weapons that your army will simply be destroyed in 48 hours, there will be rockets, there will be planes , there will be tanks, but it will be, i don’t know, like sweden,

let’s say, before joining nato, but sweden has a very strong army, well, so will putin, but putin doesn’t know this now to sign when he has the strength, oh well. even if he agrees that such a situation is inevitable, well, here we are the kremlin is with you at a meeting of the security council of the russian federation, and i am talking to you like a patrosh. such a situation is inevitable, volodymyrovych, in the morning, we will not have enough resources, we will be forced with this option of trump and vance, but if trump becomes the president, in the end we will agree, well , let's fight, well, as much as we have resources, maybe we will capture something else, if we really have to come to terms with the fact of the existence of such a ukraine, then maybe we will capture it at least along the dnieper, well, at least the kharkiv region, well, even if we, well, whatever we can... capture let's capture everything we can destroy let's destroy and then we'll sign

this peace agreement ok but why now when we're on the move why now when we have a missile to destroy their energy even more why now , when we can still destabilize their situation, why should we act on it now, but i say that there are necessary conditions even for the implementation of this vance agreement, this is the exhaustion of russian potential from that point of view that they can't go further... where to go once, it's their understanding that their attacks infrastructural does not lead to sensitive results, two, and this is that they lose economic and demographic, three, they are not us, and if these three conditions are combined, there is a chance that they will say, well , you can definitely agree to some there conditions, even on the conditions of militarized ukraine, because if we lean against the wall, well, then it is already ours, well, taken away, if... we fire at them, they still exist there with light and water and they don't go anywhere

from there, well, well, but not even yet i do not see such prerequisites, even remotely, well, we will actually follow this, and here, of course, as they say, there are absolutely valid opinions about everything, a couple of minutes of pause, and we will come back with new topics, do not switch , saturday political club. long-acting cream relieves pain, reduces swelling and improves joint mobility. with cream doolgit. you can also walk. dolgit is the only yellow cream for joint pain. in september, there are discounts on relief. 10% in pharmacies plantain, memory and savings. in the hands of a specialist, the belladonna medicinal plant is like this. dangerous in nature, turns into belastesin, an ally in the fight against spasm. belastezin

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and harris, and this debate, as you can see, turned things around... the opposite of those debate that was two months ago between trump and biden, yes, if then, de facto trump, again, according to the audience won by voting, now the result is completely reversed to what we had before, and what happened at this debate in general, of course, that both candidates talked... mainly about the domestic politics of the united states of america, but also talked about of course, they talked about ukraine and, i say it again, the us economy, about migrants, and, relatively speaking, about other social issues. mr. vitaly, how do you evaluate this debate, compared to what we

discussed with you, it's 2-2, well, first of all , i have to say that of course the tactics i chose donald trump then at the debate with donald joseph biden, she turned against him because the main meaning of what donald trump said then and during the debate and after the debate that played this role was, shall we say, the physical inability of biden, and trump insisted on this and talked about it. even those liberal publications that demanded that biden withdraw from the election, that he, due to his age, cannot lead america for the next four years, and now we see that kamela harris is much more energetic than donald trump, this is also an important part of this debate, but she can look at him as such a not

-so-young person who, for unknown reasons, rushes to lead the united states, this is one point. another important point is that ukraine became the topic of this debate, in previous debates, as you remember, it was not like that, it was not some such topic. i think that the things that happened during this time are related, first of all, to value adjustments, because again, at the trump-biden debate, everyone looked at biden's condition, not even at the content what biden said. in terms of content, biden did quite well in this debate, but everyone saw it. that he is not in the right physical condition, which means that there were questions as to how far this can be continued in the future, and ukraine, which is not a part of this election campaign at all, it is important, it suddenly became such a litmus test of the very attitude to values, because kamela harris, she was not specific about ukraine, it is true, but she talked about helping ukraine precisely from the point of view of traditional american values,

close to both democrats and republicans, she. by the way, they appealed to the polish population of pennsylvania, they said: think about it, if putin wins in ukraine, then he will not give poland a normal life. trump did not talk about all this at all, and he, by the way, continues to stubbornly insist on his position that he will force putin and zelensky to end the war. he said it again yesterday in his statement that he is well acquainted with them, that he will instruct them to meet and end the war. how, under what conditions, he also never explained. but this point of view let's just...let's just end this war regardless of who is the aggressor, who is the victim, who is guilty, who is innocent, there is none of that, kamel harris absolutely clearly has that dotted over and, donald trump doesn't have that, he has just the desire to end the war, which, which spends money from the american budget, period, that is, this is

such a pragmatism of worthlessness, and it is important that, in principle, if you characterize ... the position donald trump in this debate is the pragmatism of the worthless, but along with it he confused, but at the same time he allowed himself to be funny, because this meme with cats and dogs suddenly went viral on the internet so that everyone is talking not about the debate, but only about it, and it's bad for trump, because he looks like that a grandfather who watches tv and then repeats whatever nonsense he sees there is not very good. characteristic, well, imagine what it's like if you're a young person, and you're looking at trump, but you just want to look at some alien, some grandfather, something like that? verza how did you find out about this from tv not from tiktok from tv i was watching tv well i think trump

wasn't in the best shape that's why at this debate he's charismatic you could see he was energetic you can see, but in this, it is the energy of a person who is 78 years old, well, this is his positive characteristic, because at that age a person who... is so eccentric, so energetic, it is good, but but for what function, but we just see, indeed, you are right to say that those debates are previous, which were even before official election campaign, they showed a tired biden and an energetic trump, and an energetic trump, and now it's just trump in the role of the same and the same situation, and what's more interesting, when i watched the debate, then... in fact, trump all the time has this impression , who spoke with biden, he has the impression that it is not kamal haris who is standing in front of him, he has the impression that

biden is standing in front of him, that he entered, that he closed his eyes, he does not see that this harris, and what 's next before him is biden, and this was probably one of his mistakes, although it really was him tried to keep himself in his hands, he must have been tied up by his technologists there, he did not rush there, as it was then, and as he does it during his election tours, but less so, that is, he got into that the same, in the same trap, in the same trouble that he was preparing, basically for biden, right? i agree, i absolutely agree with that, of course it is, and he understands everything perfectly. the fact that he doesn't want to see harry anymore is a strong indicator that he realizes that he doesn't drag out such debates. and why did he go to them then? he is

well, i had one, and by the way, before this debate took place, there were actually quite a lot of reports that his staff, his party, his party members, his technologists, that they were very worried about this debate. and that , as they say, they are trying to restrain him as much as possible so that he does not aggress, does not throw insults and so on, that is, in fact , his environment knew in advance, and you and i knew in advance that it would be this way, that it would not be otherwise, he had the option to refuse altogether, he can refuse the second debate, and if he refused altogether from the debate with kamela. it meant that he already believed he had lost them. ugh, he went to the biden debate because he knew he would win it, to the kamela harris debate, he doesn't go because he knows he's going to lose, he couldn't

afford that, because it was an obvious indicator of weakness. now he can say: listen, she said everything they wanted, i said that i wanted to talk with her there, this is a position that can be accepted, but simply refusing to debate, it was impossible, and by the way, you have to to understand that this is a self-confident person. such people, especially those who have been presidents, they are sure that they will come out and everything will work out for them. you can't tell trump: listen, you 're going to lose the debate to kamela harris, who am i? no way. i will go out and see everyone. well, i have to tell you, andrii, that by and large , no big tragedy happened. we haven't seen a person in a debate where we can say, "oh, this person can't win the presidency." maybe may win the presidential election. well, that's actually my next question, because remember the clinton debate and trump and trump, in 2016, i actually

remember this, exactly the same debate, i remember it, and there actually also the audience after this debate and the experts, and the audience thought that trump lost it, i didn't i remember there were already percentage points, but they were there. already identical to those that we have there something 60 to 40 was in favor of clinton, that is , can we now really consider that this debate did not particularly affect anything, that even despite the gap that is allegedly, and by the way, and by the way, after this debate nationwide sociological survey in the 16th year, he clearly spoke about the fact that in...

trump is just a spoiler for hillary clinton, that he is participating in the election, just so that hillary clinton will become a comfortable president of the united states without any serious effort. and only one clinton, as an experienced politician said: "trump can win the election." understand, don't relax, he's going to win the election if you relax, everyone relaxed, including what seems to have been during the campaign in these crucial states, and now i hope that the team kamela harris, she will learn this lesson, not the election, not the debate, i'm sorry, that decides this election cycle, but only the election in these states, if you lose these states, you

lose the presidency of the united states, even if you have a majority of the electoral votes , well, then they will say again, the majority of americans are in favor of kameloharis, so what, but this is the system, so you have to win in the system, not in the number of votes. trump has never in his life won an election by the number of votes in the united states of america, which did not hurt him. win the 2016 election and be very close to winning in 2020, so what is there to say, that is, as of now , the chances of the candidates remain like 50/50, of course, 50/50, i would even say, well , maybe from our point of view 51 to 49, but if you and i were supporters of dono for trump, we told you that 51 to 49 in favor of trump, which way to look at

it? process, if we return to the very content of this debate, trump twice avoided answering the presenters' questions about whether he wants the victory of ukraine, well, he says that he wants the end of the war, the end of the war, why does he not talk about ukraine from the point of view of victory, but only from the point of view of the end of the war, because he believes that he has good relations with putin and does not want. screw it up, he doesn't need ukraine to win, he needs putin and zelensky to agree on peace, and for both to be satisfied, if someone wins, then someone loses, he has a position, i say again, if you look at this plan of vance, inseparable from the chinese position, this is the chinese position, we should not make vladimir putin feel that he has lost or been humiliated, because he is our friend, even if the war ends, it should end on terms that will not give putin the opportunity

to feel aggrieved no way the war should be a triumph for putin, so let it be a triumph for zelensky, but in no way a defeat for russia, therefore you will not hear the question of the victory of ukraine from trump, it destroys the very structure with which he hopes to end this war, it is unrealistic , but he thinks like that, and here is another interesting piece of information that concerns the post-debate. the headquarters of kamala harris actually launched commercials de facto in support of ukraine. to be honest , for all this time i do not remember that there was such a direct, so to speak, campaign. and in particular, according to analysts, this advertisement is designed to attract voters who are natives, firstly from ukraine, secondly from eastern europe in general.

as far as i understand, the first, the first from poland. that's what i'm talking about, poland, the czech republic, well it is clear, that is, a part, our, our belt, this is it. but at the same time, we understand that there are quite powerful positions among eastern europeans who live in or are from eastern europe in the usa, and trump has a strong position among them, as well as among some of our compatriots. who live in the usa, in your opinion, but still ours by nationality, maybe not by citizenship, but maybe someone by citizenship, ukrainians, poles, czechs, slovaks, well, relatively speaking, here is our bloc, eastern european, they , will there be a response to on such things, on such statements. and will

they continue anyway?