that's how i bring it to this, poland, the czech republic, well , of course, that is, our part, this is our belt. but at the same time, we understand that there are quite powerful positions among eastern europeans who live in or are from eastern europe, the usa has a strong position, trump has a strong position among them, as in particular among some of our fellow citizens who live in the usa . in your opinion, after all, ours by nationality, maybe not by citizenship, but maybe someone by citizenship, ukrainians, poles, czechs, slovaks, well, relatively speaking, here is our bloc, eastern european, they, will there be a response to such things, to such statements, and will they still continue? to vote for trump and

, so to speak, like him? they will separate, by the way, we will talk about this in detail tomorrow in the politclubs program with the president of the world congress of ukrainians, pavlo grod, just as i think at 9 p.m., that is , in fact, in a day there will be this big conversation, i will also talk to him about it, so let's hear what he... will answer to this very question about the role of residents from the countries central europe and ukraine, because there is a coalition of eastern central european, eastern european diasporas, these in the united states, in canada, and it is influential, but think about it, you take a polish voter from pennsylvania, here he has trump, who is against abortion, but and against migrants. and there is karis, who is in favor of abortions,

but for migrants and for helping ukraine and against putin, he is a catholic, and he hears what the pope tells him, he chooses the least evil, and here, in fact, the same is true of the ukrainian issue, which is the least evil? haris, which is not specifies the support of ukraine, but trump is also ready to support it, as he says that he will come to an agreement with putin. here you take yourself. put this polish voter in his place , how would you vote? well , maybe trump is not against all migrants, but for some reason i have this, maybe this is a subjective point of view, but for some reason, i have the opinion that he is not against migrants there from poland, maybe from germany, but you can feel some kind of kinship with different migrants, for some reason i have this idea that what he is like, i don't know what does it look like if you are a native. you are not poland

, you can simply be a person who has different views on migration than trump, because you are a migrant yourself, of course, well, just again, you weigh it all, trump against a migrant against people like me, but on the other hand, i sympathize with these people, or maybe not, trump wants to negotiate with putin, it is dangerous for poland, but on the other hand , he is against abortionists, and i, as a zealous catholic, am also against abortionists, and maybe i am a young person and for. .. revolutions are not so important, but there are the important thing is that trump wants to negotiate with putin, that is, it depends on many circumstances, but it is a difficult choice, that is why we say that these are not determined voters, it is a difficult choice for both a native of ukraine and a native of poland, why so it is important for , say, ukrainian organizations in america to work with ukrainian organizations in poland, so that their cooperation is strengthened, i called for this even... before the beginning of the great

war, moreover, i met with the heads of ukrainian organizations, polish organizations in america and ukrainian organizations of america, when i was in chicago, telling them about this very thing, that you will understand that we have some difficult issues between ukraine and poland, in historical politics, in those things, in those things, but if putin ee.. . destabilizes ukraine, poland may also feel very unstable, and that i liked that all the heads of polish organizations in america, they did not even need an additional explanation of this problem, i was with them, i believed that i would be with them, i then was the co-chairman of the ukrainian-polish cooperation forum, and i thought that it would be much more difficult for me to talk with them than with polish politicians, it was much easier for me with them. to talk,

that is, it turned out that these people, of course, they are ethnic poles, but they are americans from the point of view of values, and here i look, i think about these people, who will they vote for in this situation in, well, in chicago? generally a traditional democratic state, but they have this organization, one of their organizations in pennsylvania, who they can speak for their fellow pennsylvanians, well faster than a camel, i think, because if that's how they view the world, it's faster than a camel, and with that, i understand that there may be people among them who have some kind of conservative political views who will say, you see, papa told us to choose the lesser evil, maybe... trump is the lesser evil, well, there's a problem, and again, with biden, there was no such problem, because he was catholic, the second catholic to be president of the united states, you know, biden it was not necessary

to turn to poles in pennsylvania, poles in pennsylvania they thought, listen, for the second time in the history of the united states, a catholic who meets the pope, just as a catholic, the president of the united states, and kamelik harris has to find an approach to them, that's the difference, that's why i said, you know, biden can win elections, because in states like pennsylvania, where everything is decided by a few dozen votes, how the catholic community, mostly polish, will vote, it can be, you already remember, there are 800,000 polish voters, relatively speaking, how many are there was divorced... in the 40s 50 votes, something like that, well, maybe 50,000, i don't remember, something there was very small, but here the question is actually, the question of which group of voters will come to the elections and which will not come, which will mobilize more ,

which is not mobilized, so even when it was still may, june, we even said then that in fact even then it was 50 to 50 and in fact. then even no one could say that everything would be 100% trump or 100% biden, but we have what we actually have according to the current schedule, when the incumbent vice president of the united states of america, kamala harris, is running for office. another phenomenon is taylor swift, by the way, yes, we've talked about it many times, that she 's going to have a moment when she supports camelo harris. in this election campaign, taylor swift, she is a phenomenon in general, she, even if we ignore the election campaign, she is basically a phenomenon in american society, because americans perceive her as a self-made woman, that is, a person who

made herself, which has influence, which has an impeccable reputation, supposedly, and in fact a person who... has a huge audience, it's, if you look at the number of followers, the number of listens on different platforms, it's millions, tens of millions of people, and she has an impact on the young audience, though, now the question always arises, how much is able to mobilize this young audience to not only say, oh, as she beautifully said there, subscribe to lady cat, as much as she can force. people to agree that they have to go to the elections, this is the number one question for me, there is no answer to this question, we let's see, well, she supported kamela harris, and in your opinion, will it affect the election anyway, if she really convinces young people and that vote will be affected, if not

, well, there will be, well there will be another representative such a creative elite that kamelo garis supports, more of the creative elite of america is supported by kamelo garis. you are absolutely right that taylor's support is worth a lot to the world, and donald trump has already said that she supported him, remember? he said that she supported him, he even did some photoshop, i think well, he generally likes to do all these photoshops, so to speak, which are on the border with fakes, collages, collages, and there are a lot of things that do not correspond to reality, so maybe it is important to just tell trump what the world is for him. .. here i am thinking about it, but i think that this is in any case an important moment, this is the moment that was waited for, remember, everyone said that the support of taylor the world would be such a hidden weapon of democracy, it seems to me that more what is unexpected is the fact that kamal garis supported dzikcheni, ex

the vice president of the united states, the vice president under george w. bush, a man who has always been the epitome of conservative. as the epitome of conservative republican values ​​that has been so demonized by these people. i would, like andriy yermak, you can draw such a parallel, i think, because in fact dikcheny never had even a tenth of the power attributed to him by journalists, and the real leader of the united states all the time remained george bush, jr., who passed all the fundamental decision, and everyone said, "oh, chen, ovie yes he influences, he influences this bush so much, oh, if only cheney wasn't there." well, that is, he is such a demon of american democracy, and when a person

from such a camp supports, supports kamela garis, then if andriy yarmak came out now and supported petro poroshenko, we all vote for poroshenko, and why, why did dick cheney take such a step, because i think that trump does not correspond to his value system, well , first of all... his daughter, as you know, she was simply destroyed politically by trump, but he has never been in a perfect relationship with his own daughter, and secondly, i think that he sees, it is also visible from these debates, that trump is not guided by values, that trump is guided solely by his own interest, that trump does not at all correspond to this vision of the republican party, which is in the head of oddi kechen , well, in principle, you will agree, even at this convention, in which donald trump. there were presidents of the united states, there was no former president of the united states, there were no vice presidents, neither mike

pence, nor dick chain, this is also an interesting moment, because trump has largely changed the political values ​​of the republican party, that's what i think about when we talk about the debates, i look at these debates, as a debate person who is based on values ​​is kamala harris and as a person who is not based on values ​​is donald trump, all we talk about him is charisma. economic achievements, energy is not energy, it's all about something else, when we talk about haris, we say that she adheres to one or another values, somewhere she balances, somewhere she tries to please someone from the traditional the electorate of democracy, get some and get others, but these are views, here it is completely different, this is ego, but i would certainly vote for kamelo harris in... those elections, if i were an american, the way i would normally vote in 2016 in the 20th year for

biden, in the 16th for clinton, but i don’t think that in the previous elections it would be different and even the same, i would vote for mccain and romani, that’s the trick, i would vote for reagan and not for carter, i'm sorry for reagan and not for who was the candidate alter? well , yes, carter, of course, is for reagan and not for carter, i would vote for ford, not for carter, despite the whole story with ottergate, ford always dominated me more than carter, i would then vote for mccain, not for obama, for george bush sr., and that is, it turns out, i look at it like this, that i am all the time, all the time, maybe there with the exception of ... bill clinton, you have to think about it, i would vote exclusively for republicans,

and bush jr., for lice jr., of course, ugh , uh, i would vote, there were times when i wouldn't have voted, i would have voted for lyndon johnson, not barley gold orter, but i would have voted for richard nixon, not john kennedy, you know, i would have voted for dwight isenhower, he was too. a republican, but not for him, who was there, i already forgot his democratic, that is, there were some rare situations in the american history of the 20th century, when i would vote for democracy, for roosevelt, for johnson, and probably for clinton , but it would be personal sympathy, it would be an emotion, i don't have such emotions for barack obama, let's say, and... i think that both mccain and romney are much more serious, thoughtful for me

strategic thinking politicians than barack obama, although i recognize the personality of barack obama, he is a great personality from a political point of view, what can i say, that's why i understand why he was the president of the united states twice, i have no questions, i'm just talking about myself, so what, so why am i telling you about this in such detail, something the republicans have done that forces my three me three times in a row to vote for candidates from another party, and not for the candidates that i would like to see in the position of president, i would say, i would not want to to see hilary clinton as president of the united states, i would just vote for her without trump. i would vote for biden, sure, but i don't know if i would vote for kamelo harris if there was another republican candidate, like some conventional mitch mcconnell, or nikki haley, if you asked me, who is kame luharis or nikki haley, well nikki haley i think is absolutely also

an acceptable candidate, so when they nominate trump, they show me that they have given up on values, i'm a person of values, why... i basically have to agree with their rejection of values, why should i accept and legitimize it, i don't want to, and i think that the way you have laid out your own emotions, they are in a large number of americans, that's why digchainy also wonders how it is it happened, how did this big party that i was building turn into some kind of club of trump's children and his relatives, well, i couldn't be the same, well , here you are, that is, there is no... legacy, there is no continuity, trump has practically completely torn up the legacy of bush and the older and the younger by the legacy of reagan and the legacy of bari goldwarter, and nixon's legacy as a foreign policy strategist there. this is all absolutely, although perhaps i

am speaking too much about nixon, because nixon, by and large, was also more of a pragmatist than a methodist. man, and we still see the results of his pragmatism, they are negative, so by and large it's such a complicated story for me, and i think it's a complicated story for dikachenya, that's the answer to your question, if we're still talking about the united states states of america, here is the last topic, volodymyr zelensky announced his trip to the usa, when it will be, we do not know yet. well, he probably said that it will be in september, that is, as far as i understand, it is the end of september, the dates need to be specified, but less so, on this trip, at this meeting with the leaders of the united states of america and other countries, zelensky is going to present a winning plan, and

he is also going to present this winning plan to kamala harris. to joseph biden and trump, in this context, how can ukraine now build its relations with trump himself. we see that in in principle, the ukrainian leadership is trying to maneuver like this, not knowing who will win after all. and does it really represent correctly. to have a plan that, in principle, will most likely not be implemented yet, well , first of all, i do not know what this plan will be, president zelensky has already said that he will first show it to biden, then to kamel harris and donald trump, and then it will be shown to people, if there are any documents that can be shown to people, then it is not a plan, because plans of any kind make sense only when

they are seen only for official use, so it's just a certain set of proposals that... should help ukraine preserve its sovereignty and restore territorial integrity, intentions. in principle, i believe that there is nothing wrong with maintaining contacts with both candidates, that is , zelensky foresees both the possibility of kamela garis's victory and the possibility of donald trump's victory, therefore, his very cautious statements about trump show that trump understands him. i think it is not. i am sure that if trump is elected president of the united states states, he won't be able to... trump had a great deal to sneeze at zelensky, as he did at poroshenko when he was president, but he had to reckon with the forces of support for ukraine in congress, in society, and i really hope that it will be so , but if

we talk about the real plan. then i, if i were a diplomat there, of course, a document that would be presented to the winner of the presidential elections, there would be logic in this, that is, there are elections for the president of the united states, one or another candidate wins them, and i, as the president of ukraine, this candidate, who takes over from the new old administration, represents his plan for victory. you don't need to show it to everyone, you only need to show it to one person, the new president of the united states, well, president zelensky decided to go the other way. by the way, i don't think that from a political point of view, from the point of view of this infatuation with presentation, you see that the president has a love for presentations, for speeches, for speeches, for

public presence, this is connected with his real profession acting, and if he can to believe that if he goes to the united states, then he has to do something so spectacular that he will make this trip unforgettable, this is cinematic logic, but imagine that we have a script. we live in the logic of this scenario, and you ask the producer, what will make my trip unforgettable, well, not the trip, my appearance in the frame, here i appear in the frame of the series at the 15th minute, i am the star of the series, volodymyr zelenskyi, the double is called arrival to new york, bang, let's go, what should i do to remember, i can't do it so easily pass, maybe i'll get a nice headshot, maybe... i'll hit some russian spy, well, it's all interesting when you're an actor, but you're the president, you can't do that, you know, because it doesn't matter if you're going to smoke or

you're going to have someone beat, you have something else than the president, because you are performing the role of the president, so a plan to win, i came to the united states with a new plan, and then they discuss it, i offered it to the president, i pitched it to trump, i pitched it to camila harris, we discuss it, the fact itself my actions well, this love for such, i would say, public steps, it could lead to the presentation of such a document, it cannot be, there may not be anything concrete, if you analyze the anatomy of how the president works in general, how he works environment, they work in the logic of the series, they perceive politics, politics in particular, fortunately they do not perceive the war in the same way as the series, well, if you understand that you are not dealing with politicians, but with people who... filming this big series president volodymyr zelenskyi on the bank, then that's it it becomes completely clear and transparent and you can calculate, by the way, it is dangerous, because

it is not only for me, if you work in the federal security service of the russian federation or in the foreign intelligence service, in principle, you do not need information, you can calculate every step, if you you understand this logic of the series, but the problem is that for no, it is not a problem, the happiness is that vladimir putin also lives in the logic of the series, only a different one, as i have already told someone, it seems to me about... our previous broadcast is very old of the soviet series, and this one means cringe , so to speak, of the old soviet series , and this one, i would say, is a new post-soviet series , you see, i once said in the 19th year that it was a competition between the kvn and the kgbb, and now it is a struggle between the 17 localities of the spring and the servant of the people. it's just that these two films are going. at the same time and from one film we are shot at, killed, in another film we live a rich life of people's favorites, and so these two, these studios shoot these two films, we, unfortunately, are in

the mass in this situation, but on the other hand, it is better that there should be a film like servant of the people, and not a film like 178, because such a film allows society to fight for its interests for its country, the interests of the head of state are inseparable from the interests of the country in which he is located, because if not there will be countries, there will be nowhere to film. we have another small topic, it is erdogan, brics and support for the return of crimea, but erdogan is once again trying to sit on two chairs, no, he is not trying, he is sitting, he is sitting, and for a long time on these two chairs, actually we already talked about last broadcasts about... that turkey applied to join brics, and on the other hand , we saw that there is a statement by erdogan that

he supports the territorial integrity of our country, and that he believes that crimea should return, where - facto ukraine, where is yura, he is ukrainian anyway, and one more news, if we are talking about turkey, then we know very well that vladimir putin was going. somewhere in some perspective to fly to turkey again did not make it, why? because turkey, erdogan, did not fulfill his conditions, in particular, one of the conditions was that putin would be accompanied by fighter jets of the air force of the russian federation, this was refused, of course, the argument was that ukraine could shoot down putin's plane or create some kind of sabotage, so the argument. the position of the turkish side was that the anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense of this country can appreciate the presence of russian fighters.

of russian strategic and tactical aviation in the sky as enemy equipment that can simply be shot down, well, such cynicism, so that one plane cannot be distinguished from another air defense, well, that is, you see how in reality everyone is trying to sit on two chairs, so how will you evaluate these maneuvers of erdoğan and, after all, who does turkey support in this case, himself or them. support themselves and they are not interested in the fate of russia or the fate of ukraine, no, i think they are interested in the fate of ukraine, because they are interested in what will happen to crimea, not only from a foreign political point of view, but from an internal political point of view, so that there is greatness, and they would like it to be real, for crimea to still be ukraine, of course, for crimea to be in crimea belonging to ukraine is a guarantee of the national rights of the crimean tatar people, the presence of crimea as part of russia is the absence of this guarantee, by the way, it is known from the time, relatively

speaking, that kychuk said the peace of nadjir. that russia is simply carrying out ethnocide in crimea, it didn't start in 2014, it started in 1700, well , we remember the actual genocide of the crimean tatar people, their resettlement in the 40s, that's right, but it started from the time of catherine , not from stalin's, not from putin's, it happens all the time, so they think that ukraine, according to the norms of a democratic state there, with a different demographic, well, think about it, well... in ukraine, one way or another, 30 million people live now, in russia 130. russia can replace the population in crimea, increase it by she does. yes, blurring the role of the crimean tatar people. ukraine cannot do this objectively, and it is not interested in doing it consciously. russia is interested in this and is doing it consciously. if you put yourself in erdogan's place, you will understand that it is beneficial for you to crimea was ukrainian. even without any emotions. just pure cold calculation.

at the same time, you want to preserve the relationship. with russia, because it's economically beneficial for you, tourists, profit from helping russia circumvent sanctions, and with that you have to balance here not to fall out with the west, so you explain this relationship with russia as what you want to be mediators, brics does not bother me much in this situation at all, andriy, i already said that i believe that brics is not a russian club, but a chinese club, and for erdogan it is very important to be part of the global. in the south, if russia were not in brics, he would also go there, even i would say, he would be more likely to go to brics than if russia were not there, because the very presence of russia in brics, it dilutes the concept of the global south. russia is not the global north, well, it is the global north, but it is the global north, absolutely. so, all the other countries that are there are countries of the global south. and in this situation, of course, erdogan continues to balance. and we

could believe that if he applies to brics, then he will not speak so harshly on the crimean platform, the very fact of his appearance on the crimean platform, this is already the second time, it seems to me that he made a similar statement last year, he already very much infuriates russians, because i remind you that when the crimean platform began in 2000 20 the first year, probably it was the anniversary of independence 55, yes. 20 how long is the independence of ukraine ukraine 20 years 30 years in 2021 30 2021 30 years and he was not there, the then minister of foreign affairs of turkey, mivlyutcheva shaglu, came there, but erdogan did not speak before the participants of the summit, and now he is speaking for the second time, and of course it pisses off putin and company, because he is talking about the territorial integrity of ukraine, specifically talking about crimea, which is always

the most horo. a place for the russians, well, as we can see, erdogan will, of course, continue to sit on these two chairs, and of course, we will also observe various kinds of assistance to russia from turkey, and conditionally speaking, support in certain moments of ukraine, such the position of this state after all.