who spoke at the beginning, and these are really useful steps, as far as the notification of energoatom is concerned, that magate will expand the representation of its monitoring missions on ukrainian infrastructure facilities that have an impact on the safety of nuclear power plants. i think it will be good, especially when such mass attacks will unfortunately continue. well, for example, why such a proposal from ukraine. parties arose because on the 26th they were on the verge of a radiation accident, why? when, for example, something hits the transformer near the ac, in the open switchgear near the as, then the emergency protection system shuts down the power units as scheduled, the chain reaction and safety stops, this time the russians hit the transformers not... next to the as, but somewhere

the second line is like that, but they are important for the output of power also zas, they also hit fluctuations began in the network, and the reactor did not know how to protect itself, that is, on august 26, i will remind the audience that the attack was just at the exits from the nuclear power plants. and i think that the magate mission will, well, actually help, well, control the situation, if not put pressure on russia, as you say, at least record, record, well, yesterday the first such visit was in the town of magates, the nearest one is there, they are also in khmelnytskyi, rivneskyi, in southern ukraine, that is , they recorded the destruction, the degree, there is a technical report will be it is clear that

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directly cools the heat-releasing assemblies in the reactor core. luckily for us the valves did close but if they hadn't it would have been like three myland in the usa an accident from the melting of the active zone, when the loss of the coolant goes on, the melting of the active zone with the release of radioactivity, in 1979 , the usa had this, that is, it is very dangerous. and the fact that ukraine wrote an official note is correct, and only after that, when the note was in public access, something was written by our state regulatory regulator, something was written by the minister, who is now actively promoting dangers for the au, that is, on the one hand, the russians are allegedly complying article 56 of the additional protocol to the geneva protocol. where it is written that it is not possible

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olga kosharna, an independent expert on nuclear energy and safety, is a guest of espress-interview. so, ms. olya, we stopped with you on such a delicate but strategically important topic, the topic is sanctions against rosatom, they are being talked about in the european union, in the states, great britain, but here we dare to introduce restrictions against a large corporation, which in essence spread her, well, claws on all continents, they don't dare, they said. on the 10th and 11th, a package was delivered, but nothing happened there. in your opinion, how important is it to start now? at least with something, in order to tighten the nuts of the dewy one? well, this is very important, sanctions and personal sanctions against the management of the state corporation

and against some companies related to the related, well, there are many companies in rosatam, both engineering and production. or with a nuclear fuel cycle and so on, the usa, great britain and ukraine used it. as for european countries, because of the personal position of slovakia, and hungary, which, for example, issued a license in the 22nd year for the construction of spaksh according to the russian project for russian loans, well there will be no consolidated sanctions against rosat. moreover, on the one hand, france supports ukraine. even macron said that he did not mind if there were french troops on the territory of ukraine, but the state company fromatom created, together with... the russian company tvel on the territory of germany, a joint venture to produce

heat-releasing assemblies for the soviet fvr 440 reactors under the license of the russian tv company. well, these are double standards, first of all, that is why i believe that our diplomats should work with the representatives of the european states of the european union, yes, that they apply, starting with personal sanctions against the management. likhachev is the head of the corporation there, he goes to vienna and meets there with the magathe, wars, you know, and so on, as for the projects, the portfolio of orders from rosatam is 140 billion dollars all over the world, all over the world, i see bangladesh being built there, turkey , india, china, egypt, etc. kazakhstan is currently considering

signing some memoranda, uzbekistan, kyrgyzstan, and they are building not only nuclear power plants, for example, in kyrgyzstan they have a hydroelectric power station there, but also a small small modular there is some kind of russian reactor yes, so i believe that our partners who have authority and influence on the governments of, for example, egypt or bangladesh. they have to negotiate somehow behind the scenes, well, here it must be said that not only the construction of facilities is taking place, here countries are being forced to buy nuclear fuel from the russian tvel company, ukraine has already refused and is using the american wastehouse, it is possible to take the first step, it really is sanctions against tvel, and that those countries which, unfortunately, already have nuclear blocks built by russia, passes do we need another nuclear fuel? well, this is also a paradox, because back in the 14th year, the european

commission issued a communique, which was devoted to the energy security of europe, and for the first time it was analyzed which types of energy resources each state depends on imports, and it was recommended in the 14th year to look for another supplier, the second... to supply nuclear fuel for soviet projects, 19 such reactors are now in the eu, when the full-scale invasion began, the first in march 22, finland gave up of the russian project, they were planning a new construction, and now finland has also already announced that they bought a batch of westinghouse fuel for vvr 440 reactors, so you see, something can be done, that is. 12 years were lost, well, 12, 10, and why only finland,

maybe, well, now they were uniting, the czech republic is also on this path, there are movements, but it is not very fast, unlike gas, raw materials, it is a technological product such, it is necessary to carry out research and exploitation there, that is, it takes four years, and now they have united. and use ukrainian experience in the introduction of westinghouse fuel, we also used westinghouse fuel for the 440s, previously vvr 1000 fuel, and now last year we loaded the first batch for vvr 440, the first second rivne on one of the blocks, but while this zone will be fueled by one manufacturer, several fuel tanks are needed companies three or four years, well, if such specific examples already exist, i think that the european union really needs

to impose some economic restrictions, some sanctions, even if they are minor, against rosatom based on such real stories as with finland, as well as with ukraine, which uses american fuel for nuclear reactors, well , if we talk further about atomic energy in the world, where is ukraine integrated, in particular in the european union, to what extent... after all, the international community is betting on renewable energy sources , whether the peaceful atom will remain one of the main suppliers of current for a long time. years, i think the best mix is ​​renewables with nuclear power, because we have to comply with paris, the paris agreement regarding climate change, and now there are a lot of projects, this is the current trend for the development

of small and medium-sized modular reactors, more, more than 80 different projects and pioneers. there is canada, they have such northern territories, where, well, for example, as in russia, here is the northern sea route, yes, only there 30 days a year you can start diesel fuel, they adopted a program at the state level, implementation, small and medium-sized modular reactors, they selected three different technologies, three different supplies. and the first unit should be operational in the 28th year, in we have time to monitor how the process is going, that is , to select the best technology after the victory, i believe that the future of nuclear energy in ukraine, the era of gigantism is over, that is, we are moving to modular reactors, to

modular ones, for example, i know that the dtek company considered these technologies , to build them, well what... before the invasion, they were built on the sites of coal-fired thermal power plants, and now akhmetov is actually left without a business in thermal generation, because the russians damaged everything, and this is the direction of his renewable sources, accumulator batteries, and i think that there are early investors, here is an american-ukrainian company, where andriy kobolev is also there, they ... studied the possibilities of industrial localization of the production of these reactors and so on here, and i think that this is the future of nuclear energy in ukraine along with the development of hydro generation and solar wind. and about the near future, this is a really difficult winter, which awaits us distributed generation, which

is announced by the authorities, how much energy. sun, wind, water and indeed nuclear power plants can balance in the conditions of shelling of the russian federation, because i will remind you, well , it will not go anywhere, they will continue on the objects of the energy infrastructure, they will, i am sure, well, first of all, wind and solar, they must be balanced, because wind even better than sunny, because the wind also happens at night, and... we had a skew in other countries of the world , 70% of wind generation and about 30 solar, and we had the opposite, because the tariff was included in the law, the law named after the klyuyev brothers , i call, that is, they tied the cost of a kilowatt to euros in the law, not the resolutions of the ncre so that it

can be canceled, that is, that is why it... gave an impetus to development, but it was not proportional, not balanced, and well, we have what we have, but we lost that 18 gw of electricity generation different, and wind, in particular in the occupied territories that are no longer in our power system, you understand, that is, for example, in the kherson region, in the occupied clearing, there are many wind power plants that were useful now, but that's it. so i see development for balancing gas turbine gas piston and power plants on biogas, but one of such objects saw a rather fresh solution about biogas, it's true, it's a modern small compact complex, it's clear that a little bit

is possible and the smell from it is not so unnatural, but nevertheless it is. investment, this locality is certain, and this is a natural resource for providing electricity, in fact, even a small regional center, in your opinion, as far as possible, not at the state level, but at the level of companies, businesses, such objects can become powerful and messengers for entrepreneurs, well here i hope for ukrainian business for private investments for self-sufficiency, first of all, and in this... the process has already begun, i believe that it is necessary to attract private business there on the basis of public-private partnership, even for small and medium-sized nuclear reactors also. that is, to provide for your company plus society, yes, of course, and i believe that , for example, our partners or investors

are foreign, they should cooperate with territorial communities, i believe that this is centralization, as minister galushchenko wants everything manage everything, no, it is impossible, it is impossible to coordinate, i see that he does not manage and coordinate well, for example, the fund. energy support, where the donors are, i recommend to my colleagues abroad, and in poland and so on, to communicate and communicate with territorial communities, and this will be very effective, but are there certain successful cases of territorial communities that are as independent as possible, prepared by winter , such small biodiesel plants may have been installed. or large generators, which villages can, at least, well, such to provide electricity to the social infrastructure, well, i took part in the transmission

of khmelnytskyi regional television, and here is khmelnytskyi, as an example, they went for three years to provide the most critical infrastructure, ternopil and zhytomyr, these are mayors, actually mayors who go... there at international conferences, you attract investments and so on, so i think that this is the hope for maintaining normal conditions, where the investor can specifically come to a certain location and see the object, know exactly where he is investing , in which installation, on which land plot, and not just help for the general general account, well, let's talk about the state, but where? then these funds will be directed to which project, well, it is quite difficult now, in particular, i monitor international receipts, the authorities announce

really record amounts for energy, and for social payments, for business support, but i would like to see a specific calculation that society , the public does not see where the hryvnia, dollar or euro went? well, here are my colleagues, experts, independent non-governmental organizations, the energy efficiency association bridge. there, and so on, they conduct trainings on how to draw up a business plan for a specific project, and when the community comes with such a business plan already, for example, well, i don’t know of such cases when the energy support fund, which is managed by the ministry, receives something allocated a territorial community for a specific project, unfortunately i do not know such examples, but if you talk about us for one minute, about global financing by international partners, everything is interesting? what global projects are currently being implemented by the ministry, energoatom, well, energoatom global projects, preparatory work at the x3 x4 site without any regulations, well

, they are restoring some crane there for 260 million, they are buying some construction wagons like battle tanks and something else, but there is no law that allows the development of working ones. project, and i don't like that russian reactors are being purchased in bulgaria, it is planned, uh, but the bulgarians again today the message was that they postponed for another 180 days, the decision on the sale of the energy atom of these fertilizations. indeed, there are still questions, but, unfortunately, time is running out there is no olga kosharna, an independent expert on nuclear energy and safety, was a guest at espresso. i will say goodbye to you. stay with us and watch us, the new

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