i would like to wish you good health, mr. oleksandr, thank you for finding time for us, thank you very much, congratulations, you know, i thought that during the war with russia, a journalist should be a psychologist, an anthropologist, and a linguist, as well as political scientists should be, that's when sullivan, the assistant to the president for national security issues of the american, says: biden will discuss with zelensky the strategy for success in the war. so i was interested in success in this formulation. do you think we now have the same understanding of the word success, because in 22-23 years success for ukraine was complete the victory over russia, the exit to the borders of 1991, and it was a success for the americans, not the defeat of ukraine, and these are two different successes. so what is success, do we now have a common understanding of success? mr. oleksandr, please, well, i would

n't start saying that, because there is that success that means the complete restoration of justice, the punishment of war criminals, the complete restoration of international order, and this is the maximum success we strive for. at the same time, many in the west also consider it a success. the very fact of ukraine's survival as an independent state, that that we can resist, the fact that most of ukraine is not, will not be occupied, that ukraine will continue to exist, enter into certain perspectives in the eu and nato, for them this is a success, and there are differences, they did not go anywhere, and this is many explanations, well, i want to tell you that i am me. the first option and

the second, because if the destruction of ukraine is considered a success of the russians, then this means that if ukraine is not destroyed, institutions will continue to exist in ukraine and so on and so on, we will not enumerate them, this means that the russians have not succeeded, that means we achieved it, i have such and such a logic, i generally said at the beginning of the war that if we hold at least some territory on which the words "made in ukraine" will be written in capital letters. of success, yes, where there is maximum success, where there is moderate success, yes, of course, the fact itself well, why, i actually talked about it, there is a scale of survival of ukraine is also success, one.

as we see and know that the majority of ukrainian citizens will not be satisfied with such success, yes, they want more and have every reason to do so, so actually we cannot to say that when different people say the same word, they have one common component of this success, yes, it is that russia will not achieve its goal. goals, and the main goal is the subjugation of ukraine, the destruction of ukrainian statehood, but also the transition of ukraine under the control of moscow, this is actually theirs, and they, if they do not achieve it, then yes, it is, it is at least some kind of success, but we want what's more, we have all the reasons for this, not only emotional, but also legal, so you have to be, you know, you have to be like that, well, not really...

for such maximum moments. i always remember east germany, and the baltic countries, and the proverb, the famous european business is not finished if it is finished incorrectly. and we can see this in examples, while the so-called baltic region was soviet, the case was not completed, because it was completed incorrectly as a result of the stalinist-hitler divisions, and it was not gdr. obviously, this is also not a finished matter, it was completed already in the 90th year, in the 89th year, when a united germany appeared in the center of europe. the second question is how much you you feel here, here just at the level of sensations, not here, here we cannot be rational, here we have, well, we are forced to be emotional, this is the attacks and stormshado, after all, this is at least half a solution. yes, because i

'm constantly confused, sometimes they will give, sometimes they won't give, then the british will give, the americans won't give, then the germans will climb in, say, no, we won't give anything at all, and you sit. still thinking, so what is happening, i already took an old compass there, looked at where it flies, i liked it so much, where it flies, especially it flies 500-60 km everywhere, there to moscow already remains, well , moscow is just around the corner, and i am also very , very happy about it, do you think they will give, not give, give, if they give, then well, someone says after the un general assembly, someone says after the american presidential election. that is, either in october or in november, and which version do you have? i have such a version that there is too much publicity and attention to the media side of this issue. i think we will know about this decision at the moment when

it becomes obvious that these missiles hit significant targets on russian territory, and not when any newspaper will write about it. i think that this is not a fantasy at all, i’m just saying that the media has harmed many issues of our military cooperation, and now politicians are under pressure, they are looking for certain transitional solutions, i believe that this decision has already been made, just as it , like him, how will we learn about him finally, i think that... we will learn about him from reports from the combat zone, in this, that is, in this case, we should believe the russians, because their minister of foreign affairs said that already they are these rockets, that's it we are preparing to give some kind of answer there,

that is, if all the rest have doubts, yes no, yes no, pro-con, but the minister of law no, there is already a solution, and the ukrainians already have everything. that is, in this case, you can believe, not everything at all, not everything at all, unfortunately, this whole path is carried out very, very slowly, step by step, we will have a solution by answering our requests. we will have to agree on specific goals, we will have to promise not, for example, not to hit certain objects that we would like to hit, but there will be a certain agreement. yes and but it's obvious that again, we pay too much attention to it, and while we understand that it's still not this magic weapon that will solve all the problems. okay, let's move on to such broad, as

the artists say, broad strokes of the master. the pope criticized both trump and harris after their verbal exchange. well, let's be careful with our thoughts, and he said a mysterious phrase: choose the lesser evil, but what is the lesser evil? well, i still did not understand what the lesser evil is, even more so, i would ask you even, even it is more directed that there is a lesser evil for the vatican, well, what for the pope, but i think ukrainian viewers are not interested in that there is a lesser evil for the vatican, but in principle, what was the pope alluding to when he said: choose the lesser evil between it’s trump and harris, and where is it less evil, or more, he himself, well, he himself doesn’t know, yes, it’s obvious that he doesn’t want to get into a fight, well , imagine that such an institution suddenly takes

someone’s side and supports someone in the american presidential elections, well, it’s it would be against the rules and he obviously won't go for it. he simply emphasizes that the world is not perfect, and from his point of view, both of these candidates have their flaws, so let the faithful decide for themselves who is better for them. he was quite, quite diplomatic about it , wasn't he? another international issue, too, i don’t know if you paid attention to it, we are all definitely ukrainian-centric, especially after february 24, 2022, but elections are coming in... in a people friendly to us and an unfriendly government, and the actual head of georgia bidzina ivannishvili, leader of the georgian dream party, said that georgia would apologize to by the occupation authorities of south ossetia for the

2008 war. well, listen, if i were a georgian and wanted to lose the election, i would do the same, i would say, we will apologize to... ossetia, and abkhazia, and to russia, and to putin, and and and we will hand him over this saakashvili so that he would eat his breakfast there. well , that is, all the actions of the georgian government give the impression that it wants to lose, but it seems to me that it does not want to lose, at least it does not want to lose, because putin wants georgia to be under the same government that currently exists in that georgia. please sir oleksandr, well, first of all, we don't know the public mood of georgia very well, and something seems to us, you know, from our own experience. there 10-20 years ago, yes, when we knew georgia as completely different, we transfer that

impression to the present, society there has changed somewhat and not for the better in the sense that it is frightened, frightened by the war, and more than anything does not want the war to come to them again, they uh actually thanks to certain propaganda, accents that are set by local propaganda, so what, what if they... will sit quietly, then this will reduce the risk of a repeat of 2008, and some part of society is counting on this, and the second, second factor is actually that there are some hopes of the executive power that putin, in contrast to his policy regarding ukraine, will agree to , well, for example, to allow georgia under some conditions... to regain control over the same south ossetia and possibly abkhazia, i

think that these are naive hopes, but they probably exist, and it is clear that such a result can only be achieved through very deep concessions , in particular those emotional concessions, about which, about which you say, yes, to apologize, yes, to make it so that, well, so that putin, this, well, this is to apologize to putin, obviously it is about this. that's why i believe that these are illusory hopes, but they are there, but really, well, a difficult situation, as i understand it, the main pressure of bidzina is that there will be no war, no war, if you vote for us, then no there will be a war, but simultaneously with the fact that there will be no war, there will be no nato and the european union, that is, you vote... for us, for the georgian dream, you get rid of both the war and the european

perspectives, if i understand correctly, well, actually , the fact that they sacrificed it, it is already obvious, that is, they went to an unprecedented escalation with the united states, and no other, well, if they did not receive benefits from this, they do not receive, this it means that there are some very, very... here something very much reminds us of the story with yanukovych in the 12th and 13th years, when he literally went for concession after concession, which deprived him of maneuver in the western direction, but nevertheless he it was going, so they picked up certain keys, that's what yes he will certainly criticize that the georgian people sympathize with the ukrainian people and

many of the people there really help us, but really the fear of a repeat of the war is something that is very effectively exploited now by ivanishvili and his party, and they actually make it the core of their election campaign , and let's see how successful it will be, we... independent surveys do not give them a majority so far, that's right, but this is their strategy, so okay, we thank oleksandr sushka, the executive director of the international revival fund, we had a fruitful conversation, and now we will communicate even more fruitfully, because it will be our home affairs and the affairs of our prospects, you can already see behind my back, something that gives us energy, energy and warmth. and in front of us now you will see ivan plachkov, the former minister of energy of ukraine in 1999, in the fifth and

sixth years, the chairman of the all-ukrainian energy assembly union council, and all our views on energy today, because it is coming to the end of september, not me, but the month, i hope, i am still far from the end, but then it will be october, then it will be november, ah then december itself, january and... and february and it will be cold there, good health, mr. wang, good health, mr. minister, thank you for joining us, thank you very much, congratulations, congratulations, good health i, everyone, look, there are two points of view, there is a catastrophic one, i would call it that, and it sounds energetically enough, that we will have such a cold that we will freeze, that we will have a general disaster, disaster, disaster, and such, it's such a wave, it's not a difficult wave, it's not a small one, it's, as they say, it's already

more than fifty points, and there's a small wave more about what will it look like, what will the home of an average ukrainian look like, if there will be no heat and electricity for 5 hours a day , or 10, or 24? look, well, first of all, everyone has a different understanding of disasters. secondly, everything depends on two factors: the first factor is what kind of winter it will be, we have no influence on it, it can be warm, and it can be cold, even very cold, we must prepare for a cold winter, secondly, everything depends on the future, will there be shelling, will there be destruction

of the energy infrastructure or not? we we will make such protection, especially air defense, that our facilities will not be affected and will work in the amount that is available today, that is why today the energy system is working, it is working stably, we can see that in recent days there have been no reductions in consumption, emergency shutdowns , stabilization shutdowns, but today, today is september. the heating season begins in october, as a rule, somewhere before the 15th, well, between the 10th and the 20th of october, it also depends on what the temperature will be, there is such and such positive information that the ukrainian energy companies are negotiating with the european ones to

increase the power of the crossing, if we can get somewhere today... 1700 mw of power is the maximum, then there are negotiations to increase it to 2.2 gigawatts, it has already been agreed, so it is 500 mw enough serious power and it will help us, the equipment that is traditional, which is left, unfortunately, is working. construction of a gigawatt of additional capacity, well, as far as is known, i think that the former head of ukrenergo, he said that it was built 60 megawatts only, but i think that

the equipment at the destroyed power plants is also currently being repaired, i think that there can be more... 500-600 mw e-e distribution networks and distribution substations have suffered a lot, but ukrenergo and, according to kudrytskyi, there is a large the amount of destroyed equipment, but there are enough spare transformers that were brought in, bought, which our european partners helped us with, that 's why the situation is. complicated, what is a disaster? a disaster in my opinion, this is a complete blackout in the country, not regional outages, but a complete blackout, it means when all generating equipment stops to ensure its integrity, all networks and

all consumers, they are disconnected from electricity, and then gradually... well, let's see what concerns the situation directly at the power plants, well very little information, how much they repaired and so on, i think that this semi... closed information is in order not to show the enemy where we have working equipment, but the situation is very, very difficult and alarming you. used twice the last name is kudrytskyi, and i will also use it directly now, he resigned, a lot of people said why the resignation, how the resignation, and as

usual ukrainian journalists said, it is because someone is someone's best man, brother, acquaintance, back and forth , and i am asking you absolutely, excuse me for the words, as a western journalist, excuse me, but something will change in the energy system of ukraine, it seems to me that this worries ukrainians to the most... extent, if there will even be thefts on the mountain, but the ukrainian energy system will work, warmth, light in my apartments will be, then for some reason all ukrainians are like that, they tell me that, let him steal, but we have a normal life, the question is not that you stole or did not steal, the question is how the system works, the change of kudrytskyi to not kudrytskyi, system. will somehow start to work worse, work better, or work the same, that is my question, well , it was very strange that kudrytsky was fired, kudrytsky did not resign, he

was fired, and he was fired without any explanation, for what reason he was fired, there is no reason, no one did not say that he there for corruption or, did not cope and so on, and we know that the supervisory board... it was not in full composition, for some reason the seventh member of the supervisory board was not appointed for one and a half or two years, well, it happened, his supervisory board voted , he was fired, but we know that the next day the chairman of the supervisory board and another member of the supervisory board, they resigned, these are the ones that are independent from foreign companies. what, what, what, what are the threats, from the point of view of the operation of the power system, the technical operation of the organization, i think that

there won't be any big changes, because now they have appointed brecht alexei, he is such a skilled energy engineer, he is experienced, i know him, and he argues with the organization of the current work, even in such a complex one. period, but there are other problems, kudrytsky worked a lot on attracting investments, worked with banks, european, global, he worked with nsoe, this is the european energy association, regarding connection, regarding increasing capacity, and so on, that's in these directions, i think that will be, well, me i think that there will be a failure, especially in the first days there... two months, maybe three, why? because this work with international partners is not so difficult, here they will

see what kind of manager, there will be some initial negotiations, introductions and so on, and that is why we will have problems here, and it is not clear, why isn't such a supervisory board formed. of such a spine-chilling campaign in the country, now there are three members of the family left, and we know that there was an appeal from all the ambassadors of the european union ж7 ee in order that as soon as possible to form a supervisory board, there was an appeal to the office of the president, the prime minister, the minister of energy, economy, finance, and... to form a supervisory board and appoint not acting duties, but appoint the head

of ukrenergo on a permanent basis under the contract, and if the diplomats send a letter as a statement, it is already, if translated, it is already such, well, i don’t know, it is already so strong so strong for... so powerful, so simple statements diplomats, especially the whole seven , do not make to address the office of the president , so there, the situation there is quite complicated, i hope that in the near future a valuable supervisory board will be formed, and they will appoint brecht, brecht, another, another, but a person must work while not performing duties, because while performing duties, he has no authority. what and so on, and we are entering winter, and what was the point of doing it on the eve of winter, i think that for us there is a question, and well, it is not clear, i am. i

can't do puzzles based on the information i have today. mr. ivan, i have an even more philosophical question for you such, let's move on to such, smaller questions, but to imagine some, some ideal picture of peace, the world during the war, or if we take the best ones. tsiv, but with the same money that ukraine has, with the same money that ukraine is counting on from europeans, americans, and so on, it would be possible to achieve much better results in the energy sector of ukraine, that is, for the lights to work, the heating to work, hot water, so that everything will be fine, but i just always try to understand this moment when they criticize, when they praise, i say to us, ukrainians, that it is possible

imagine that a war has started, shelling, rockets are flying at energy facilities, and it is working, everything is fine, the lights are not turned off, this is possible, in principle, no, it is impossible in principle, with such massive shelling, destruction and so on further, but we must remember that we have an energy system, it is calculated, it is designed and mounted on powerful. you can imagine what margin of safety we had, this is the first thing, secondly, if there was a professional team, if everyone were specialists of the highest quality and so on, i am sure that such things would not have been allowed, firstly...

protection of energy facilities, we remember somewhere we financed tens of billions, uh, it was ineffective and had to be reduced, we need money to restore the heat supply system of kharkiv, it is already destroyed there, how will kharkiv winter in kyiv there is damaged equipment for the heat supply system, they have no money for that, and we are losing. tens of billions, that 's what the question is, and regarding the release of kudrytsky, if we return, there is one such factor, i cannot say whether it is positive or negative, but today we know that the whole responsibility, the entire management of the energy complex, it is concentrated in the minister of energy herman galushchenko, everything, he alone is responsible for everything now. i think

that what happened was that the president demanded responsibility from herman galushchenko, such as managing , providing and so on, he said, yes, i will be responsible, i will provide everything, only let me appoint people, those who i consider necessary, and so it will be, i will answer, and apparently, here is such and such a situation, it is in my opinion, it may not be so, well, as a rule, it is so, and thank you very much, chairman on behalf of the union of the all-ukrainian energy assembly, how can i tell you about the secrets, i would say this and i would talk to the gentleman, because he is so well versed in all this, he explained so well what is bad, what is good, what could have been better, this is very important, i think now i have to say the following: