well, of course, the younger generation changes in some way, integrates, but people who have been here for 30 years still do not change them, that is, they are what they are, and there are millions of such people, they influence the german political reality, they all have passports, they all vote , vote, i think, in a fairly organized manner, either for left-wing populists or reservists, rather reservists, and the fact that they will beat ours... in the sense of their influence, in the sense of their readiness, this is a big question. germany is not easy, poland is not easy in its own way, the austrians are there in their own way, one of my austrian friends once called me there, he says: you know, pavlo, i walk down the street of vienna and look at expensive cars with ukrainian license plates, it feels like every fourth one, that's for sure, that is. in principle, people

notice it very much, it is certainly not the same community and not the communities that you and i talked about today with mr. myroslav and mr. rostislav, but it is very noticeable, and look, well, purely refmetically, you and i are getting closer to the situation , if it is not already in it, when we have it here, well, in ukraine, in the ukrainian homeland there are about the same number of people in the nation as there are abroad, before the war we had there who... estimated 20, some 21 million there, now they have left there, we definitely cannot count, since many are not registered, and what is there in russia what is happening with ukrainians, we don't really know at all, but we are going into reality, when global ukrainianness, this and cohesion, this is a very big issue, we know how the irish work there or the armenians there, who has more communities, well, we well, we can't do copying there for...

copy-paste doesn't work here, so there must be some ukrainian approach to how we work, you can of course create state structures, ministries there, that's right, the ministry of unity, the right story, not to return ukrainians, but to understand who breathes what and how to work with whom, it will then work politically, since we can see on the example of romania or moldova that... communities abroad determine the results of elections there, that they influence, that there are state structures there, and what else ukrainian the politicians did not fully understand, they talked about the topic with you just with trolling, but i think that soon they will understand what will happen, and if the law on dual citizenship passes now and what will actually be in the law that will be adopted, because we have a project there, and this project definitely needs

to be completed there very coolly, but the story itself is also very correct, that is, we will be in a different reality from the point of view of the balance here and the balance of ukrainian communities abroad, how will we balance it, how will it affect ukrainian community, who will influence how we will reflect it, these are all the stories that, in my opinion, have not yet started systematically, thank you, so here is the conversation about what is happening with the world ukrainians from ukraine. with ukrainians in europe against the background of our foreign policy challenges, this is also a very important topic, we discussed it with pavlo klimkin, a diplomat, the former minister of foreign affairs of our country, thank you for being on our air, but this is not the end of our discussion, only i b said inside because after a pause we will talk about all these questions, let's ask these questions, which we have already touched on in the conversation with mr. pavel and in the conversation with the heads of the association of ukrainians in poland and in the eu. with the president of the world

congress of ukrainians pavlo grod, he was at the european initiative in yaltsiv, he met with the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine andrii sybigo and other representatives of the ukrainian state, how about all these problems that we discussed here and the law on citizenship and how to deploy this global ukrainian, we will ask all these questions now, so please stay with us, and we will continue this conversation already with... with pavel grod literally in a few minutes, so wait, please, thank you, friends, thank you, damn, stairs, my legs can't walk anymore, wait, i'm suffocating, what there is no health, but what kind of health is there in the sixth decade, and i thought so until i tried herovital, herovital plus, a phytovitamin complex that cares for the heart and strengthens the body, herovital plus, good health, active life, but herovital

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coming for new and real opportunities to support ukraine in these difficult times times when you see almost everyone. and kyiv and other ukrainian cities under missile and drone attacks by the russians, and i would like to start precisely with the topic of your stay, what, if we talk about your meetings, about your conclusions, which is the most important thing in this visit, well, first of all, we wanted the main thing brought with them an additional additional package of aid to the armed forces of ukraine, and at the beginning of a full-scale war... we actively participated in this, created our project, the unite with ukraine platform, and we aid packages, we are working with the guide, with the leadership of the armed forces of ukraine, with various departments, with gur and others, in order to understand what they need most next,

then this time we brought long-range drones, armored vehicles and other, other things that we cannot speak, but we are actively involved, that is why we call on all those who care, ukrainians and friends of ukraine, to actively participate in this collection of funds, because drones need to be constantly updated, because they are destroying the front, and this was the main direction, the second was the political direction, that is, one military, the other political, to communicate, get to know the new ministers, well, i won't say get to know them, we know many of them very well, but to discuss with them the strategy for the future, and how we can closely cooperate, because we know the most effective way. can the government carry out a foreign mission when they work closely with the world congress of ukrainians and with our constituent organizations everywhere in the world and to ensure that we cooperate closely, as well as the state, diplomacy and civil society, well, what are the conclusions of these meetings with

officials, as far as i know, you also met with the new minister of foreign affairs andrii sebygo and other such representatives of the ukrainian leadership, what are their moods, and if we talk about this plan for the victory of volodymyr zelenskyi, how do you ? saw the further development of events, well, their mood, like all of us, is very combative in understanding that we understand the goal, that there is little time, that we must get this... military aid as soon as possible, that there is a lack of what, that we needed, we heard the repetition that we definitely need air defense, and we need a lot more, we need additional financial assistance, so that it does not at least not decrease, because there is a risk in this, and therefore, and we heard specific questions about, let's say, the return of ukrainians, as we can join this strategy, and we asked, we are not joining, we are already doing it, we are doing it. all those things to facilitate this return, or if not a return, at least so that ukrainians remain

ukrainians abroad, so that they do not assimilate, so that they become our a huge potential lobby that will work in favor of ukraine. well, these are two, i would say two such parts of this question, by the way, this is the question of the return of ukrainians, to what extent can we even talk about a real return during the war, or are we talking about some kind of strategy after the end of hostilities, but at the same time it must be based on for some period of time, no one... i don't know when the war will end in 2020, relatively speaking, in the fourth or fifth year, or in 2030, the 31st year, well, there is a call today to return specifically to the men who are in the of age that can serve, and they just count that there are about a million men, citizens of ukraine, who are there to serve in the army, and they will call them and find various ways to encourage them to return to ukraine to fight. for its independence, so this is a real strategy that is being worked out by the government, and secondly, it is

to help in reconstruction today, because there are opportunities to come and help rebuild today, because there is a lot destroyed, it should not wait until the end of the war, so this is important today, and secondly, regarding return, it is necessary to prepare today and ensure the possibility of her return, i will give one very specifically. example, this is education, if we do not provide the right education, so that ukrainian children do not study in ukrainian schools, then it will be a whole generation of children that will be lost, because if a child loses his ukrainian language, then he will not return, they will not fight with his mother , that mother, i am not returning to ukraine, then what will happen, not only mother and children will not return, but the men who will return after the victory, they will also leave to join their families therefore, this is a big security risk, as the children will not know their language and will not

have a ukrainian education, so we are working with the ministry of education to ease the conditions, for example, there are now 600,000 school-age children of ukrainian citizens abroad, 600,000 who left, only 320,000 of them, half study in ukrainian schools, so we already know that half of the children do not do this, so this is one of the many preventive measures, we need to work with veterans so that they... feel at home here, so that they didn't want to leave after the victory, so we must do things today to facilitate the return someday, is it today or after the victory? well, here it is important to know the question, of course, to introduce it realistically, here it is true that ukrainian officials are talking about men of prime age who have died, or who are abroad in ukraine with ukrainian passports, you know that these are people who left ukraine at different times, but it is absolutely obvious to me, let's say, that if a person left ukraine for that. in order not to fight and die, then she definitely not going back to fight and die, and she's just going to look for opportunities

not to go back to the country, at least until these hostilities die down, she's not going to risk participating in an arms race, that's just the way it is, i'd say , this model of history that in all countries was, well you, i think that, that you are right to a certain extent, but i am also an optimist, and i will say that there are such people that at this time they can change their minds that maybe this moment... no matter how you want them, the russians there pay money to serve their army, we don't even have such a desire, but we also have the capabilities, well, i'm not saying that people can't be put in unequal conditions, those who serve here for free, and those who will return, relatively speaking from germany or poland, then let us pay them money, of course it will never happen, because this is an element of injustice, well, we ukrainians differ from russians, that we do not need to pay to be ukrainians, and therefore it is important that we call and create conditions for those that... wanting to make it easier the way, the way, for them to become mobilized

and to give them, let's say amnesty, when they would come back, that is, there are various things that i know that the government is preparing today to facilitate the opportunities to return, i am not saying that all , maybe the majority will not return, but there will be a few thousand, it will be very good, i think we should still encourage, and now regarding education, this is also such a moment, it seems to me, it is worth discussing more. talk seriously and realistically about children who, let's say, no longer study in ukrainian schools, because they don't either the parents have a desire to continue such an education, or they can... communicate with their parents not in ukrainian at all, but in russian, and when they come there to poland, to germany, they have a completely logical model, there they spoke in the family one language and learn another, here they spoke one language in the family and learn another, they did not feel any connection with the ukrainian

language, it is not felt here and there, that is , the same model is reproduced that was in ukraine, how to convince these people? that ukrainian education is possible for them when they saw certain difficulties here in the very fact of this education, that parents cannot help their children who study in schools, well , in a different language than the one they studied, this is a big challenge for us, frankly speaking, but i would try to convince those parents why it is important to teach the child ukrainian, because the opportunities in ukraine will be much greater than the opportunities in russia, the opportunities in russia are closing, but they are not in russia, they are in poland. learn no, i say, why should you learn ukrainian and not teach them russian, well they, i say, they will do not learn russian, polish or german, well , they may not be interested in russian, they learn the language of the country in which they live, so we urge them not to assimilate, why, because there will again be great opportunities for them, economic, in their development of our lives, when we rebuild ukraine, because just

then there will be huge opportunities, and as they will know their language, they will be more effective and more about it... capable, and therefore, and this, this is one way to convince the second way to convince is that ours, being ukrainian, it's cool to be ukrainian, to know one's language, to sing, to know one's culture, to know one's traditions, to know one's history, it is something that enriches a person, a person, er, these people who know where they are from, then well, they live in a different, different reality, but those people who think, are aware, they will want to learn their ukrainian language, why are my children studying ukrainian language abroad? ukrainian, because they like to be ukrainian, because it's cool, they know what, what, they may not think that they will ever return to rebuild ukraine, but they they do it because it is part of their identity, it is part of their identity, but there is an important point here, you know, which is related to how these people really want to preserve this ukrainian identity, this is already something that directly relates to the scu, so that most of the people who left ukraine

these past 2.5 years, for them the issue of identity is simple. did not stand, they were citizens, lived in this country, now moved to another country, well, it is simply a change of location, due to the fact that this location, which was, became uncomfortable and dangerous, there are such people, uh, there are people who want to preserve this identity, there are people who did not have it, and do not want to preserve it, because there is nothing to preserve, the question arises, what to do with this situation, that is, as people, so to speak, to convert to this ukrainian identity, even if living in ukraine itself did not become for them... no reason for such an identity, in this way they should be encouraged that they will have privileges when they are part of this community, i.e. there is some benefit for them, whether it is social assistance or educational assistance help, whether it is ukrainian sports organizations, clubs, as we have already said more than once, is to create communities that will raise children from the cradle to the grave, that is

, the whole ukrainian life cycle, since the jewish community is very skillful in giving birth to children. to a ukrainian family, is baptized in a ukrainian church, goes to a ukrainian kindergarten, a ukrainian school, a ukrainian youth organization, student, ukrainian sports organizations, cultural organizations, professional organizations, lawyers, entrepreneurs, up to homes for the elderly, ukrainian and ukrainian winterers, i apologize, mr. pavle, from my so-called family experience, there are relatives and so on, i remember that the jewish communities of the united states, canada and other countries spent a lot of money on such preservation of jews in... their identity a lot of money, and we, too, they were even ready to compete with the state of israel, just so that people would preserve their identity in america, from where to take this money at the same time for helping ukraine, for keeping these people in the community, this is the budget, this is the budget, this is the budget of every father and every mother so that they provide education for their child, this is an elementary thing that any family or

parents will do, so why not spend it on ukrainian sports clubs. why not spend it on ukrainian education, on ukrainian classes, on ukrainian dances, because after all, the child will have something to do, and why not do it in the ukrainian community, and therefore, well, the bigger projects that we want to create one day are such, as the jewish community has a birthright program where every child has right, well, at this age, to go to israel and work there for three or four weeks with the funds of the fund, we would like something like that. always lived, and here are the people, we are jews of ethnic origin, we have come to terms with it, there is a national state, there is a large diaspora in the world, it lives, functions, spends money to preserve

identity in the countries of residence, and there is israel, in which people there made a choice at the expense of their own state and its protection, you are drawing such a model for ukraine right in front of my eyes, i am not saying that it is not unrealistic model, i just don't like it internally, i don't draw, i show specifically what works today, how it works today. this is not a new concept, it already works like this, we have been doing it since ukraine regained its independence for the past 32 years, we have been living like this, and that is why there were fewer people, well less, now it has become much more, and we know that that the resources of the state are impossible to do all this, so i tell our communities that do not expect that someone will organize it for you, that someone will build a cultural center for you or organize a church or a school, this is not money will come from kyiv, from lviv, on the contrary, you will give money for kyiv absolutely like this, but that is why we must teach all ukrainians, whether they live in ukraine or abroad, to be self-sacrificing, to understand that the way, how, how, how to

organize a ukrainian school, no one will do it, get together with your friends, and form a ukrainian school, contact the world congress of ukrainians, we will give you a package on how to do it, how to organize it, help with all the materials, we are preparing together with the ministry of education and with other scientific... institutions, we will give you everything, you you just organize, and we call our communities that way, and that's how communities are built, they are stronger then, when someone gives money, it's a bit of a knock, and when the ukrainian community gathers and says, let's collect funds, build youth, buy and build youth an organization and some kind of housing where our children can live, these organizations will be successful and they will be positive and they will be creative, and if someone will give you money, you will do according to the order. well, we often talk about the fact that there is a certain fatigue from russian-ukrainian war in the west, but ukrainian communities are tired of war? i think it is not fatigue, but that,

unfortunately, life is going back to business as usual, that is, people feel, well, let's not go to the sea there once, they said, let's maybe this year we will transfer this money to ukraine, they are already a little used to coming back to it. normal everyday life, well, maybe i won't go to this demonstration, because we, we 're going somewhere to the country, for example, you know, we have to, it's my responsibility, my role is to constantly encourage, encourage and tell them, this is what i see on the front lines, in pokrovsk, in dobropyll, that i, what ukraine needs, and we cannot give up , we must actively act as we acted 2, 5 years ago, well, it is important to understand right away. also how ukrainian communities can work here with western governments, to what extent they are able to overcome this general fatigue from war, and this, i would say,

is the mood of the western elites that this is such a long conflict, it is necessary again- still live with this conflict, agree with it as reality and work further. it is our responsibility, vitaly, to represent the interests of ukraine every day. we are every ukrainian living abroad, whether born in ukraine or having a drop of ukrainian. there must be a lawyer, a diplomat, for the interests of ukraine every day, and we call for it, someday, i say this very often to my own, i say, in the diaspora, i say, someday your granddaughter will ask her grandmother, grandfather, what they would have done during a great war for independence to help ukraine win, and everyone had to think about it today, how they felt about it will respond, and how they should help, and advocacy work is crucial, so i urge even. those who are stateless, the fact that they are stateless does not prevent them from joining any political process, whether it is in the states or in germany, that they join some political party,

start working there, to find, to know how, how, how these processes work, and then, and even those who have citizenship, so that they go into politics, and so that they go to the very top of society, in business, that they could to help finance our community and ukraine, in science, literature, art, that is, we have to stay out of everything and just live, we have a responsibility to protect ukraine, and only we can do it, we cannot hope that one ambassador in this the country can do all this, and by the way, about working with other communities, people, perhaps, who are really not ukrainians, but who in one way or another may be connected with this war, i was very interested in how kamela haris during a debate with donald trump, she rather unexpectedly, speaking about the war in ukraine, turned to... the polish community of pennsylvania, not to the ukrainian, but to the polish, you see, mr. president, that if all these recipes of yours are carried out,

then... poland, that is their homeland may be the next in putin's war, and i have always been interested to what extent it is possible to generalize ukrainian efforts, say, with the efforts of polish communities, with the efforts of jewish communities, communities that are interested in ensuring that there is no war at all in central europe, so that this war thus did not inflame this crisis situation in the near east as well, how is this dialogue possible at all, because we know that this dialogue was not always normalized. quite often communities exist in an isolated world, although offices may not be located in neighboring streets, as between ukrainian and polish communities, there is no communication between them for years. i will say that this cooperation has been going on for many years, we were very involved in the issue when poland and the baltic countries and other eastern european states demanded whether wanted membership in nato, we helped them

a lot, and they are helping us today, that's why... there is such coordination, i head the global coordination group of the central and eastern european coalition, and such similar coalitions exist in canada and america, and we we closely cooperate with the communities, because i will give the example of canada, there are, well, more than 1.8 million ukrainians, well , 1.4 before the full headquarters, officially according to statistics, but together with other central and eastern european countries, we read closer. another 6-7 million, so as we said, as one coalition, it is more a powerful voice, and we encourage our communities that are still developing in other countries to find a coalition with others. the jewish community in america, specifically, but also in canada, is very supportive. i very often, when i was the president of the congress of ukrainians of canada, signed joint odes published in newspapers, where, for example, i will never forget, during the revolution of dignity.

i and the head of the jewish congress of canada wrote a letter or an article that ukraine has many problems, but anti-semitism is not one of them, because at that time there was a lot of misinformation that the people of maidan were all nazis, the like, and these are examples, i can give a lot of them, how we work with other ethnic groups, it is very important that they support us , and there is an example even of the iranian community, where we... enter a common enemy in iran, where we together organize demonstrations on various issues, and this should be repeated and deepened. well , it is interesting here how much, let's say, politicians themselves in the same united states realize the weight of such communities, kamela hardys there addressed the poles in pennsylvania, and here is donald trump, he would probably also like to cooperate with these communities for when it comes to every vote worth its weight in gold in these

states, as far as they reach such . contacts of different teams of different politicians of this level, i cannot say exactly about both teams, how they work with all ethnic groups, but i will say that work with the ukrainian community works, but at the level of congressmen, that is, unfortunately, frankly speaking, unfortunately is it team trump or is it kamlya herres' team does not actively work with ukraine. community, then this is problematic, and we have to fix it, well, to what extent can we now influence this situation in the remaining two months, do you have some kind of victory plan, so to speak, yes, first of all, we must call on them, that they specify how they will help ukraine, specifically, how they will behave and what they will force ukraine to do, and this is very important, and in other countries we conduct such inquiries.

before the elections and we urge you to be political parties and leaders have decided how they stand, whether they will continue to actively support militarily and provide the same, at least the same support, if not more, to ukraine, pledge them so that then the voters know for sure, not playing with words, that i i will decide and there will be peace in ukraine, but specifically how, and that is why we can influence this way in the next two months. to specify their, their plans, or what they are ready to do? we always turn to the topic of ukrainians in the russian federation with you, and the question arises, you see some new trends during this time , possibly an intensification of some repressions, on the contrary, the appearance of some people from there who could talk about what is happening there with ukrainians, in general, whether she stayed there...