and what they will force ukraine to do, and this is very important, and in other countries, we conduct such polls before before the elections, and we call on political parties and leaders to decide how they stand, whether they will continue to actively support military and to provide the same, at least the same support, if not more, to ukraine and pledge them, so that then the voters would know for sure, without playing with words, that i will decide. that there will be peace in ukraine, but specifically how, and that is why we , in this way , can influence over the next two months to specify their their plans, or what they are ready to do, we always turn to the topic of ukrainians in the russian federation with you, and the question arises, do you see any new trends during this time, the possible strengthening of some repressions, on the contrary, the appearance of some people from there who could to talk about what is happening there with ukrainians, in general, whether it remained there...

people are able to declare their ukrainian identity, i am afraid that those who very much declare their ukrainian identity may not be the greatest friends of ukraine, and i think those who really feared for themselves, they there were real leaders, they either hid completely in russia, that is, they did not show it, or they left abroad, and many of our leaders of the ukrainian community in russia left abroad, we are just thinking with them how best to help this... situation, but frankly, any contact with the world congress of ukrainians and with the ukrainian community in russia can lead to very bad things, criminal cases for sure, well, that is, it is like an extremist organization, in fact, absolutely, well, we are recognized as extremists organization, that's why even criminal cases went up to a full-scale invasion against the leaders of our community, that's why i advise ukrainians in russia to live underground.

as, say, the ukrainian greek-catholic church lived under the soviet times, the same must be lived now, there will be, there will be a change of regime, i am convinced of this, as when it will happen, i don’t know, but be, stick to ukrainians, tell me, whatever please, by the way, about ukrainianness and citizenship, i cannot but ask you about this law plural citizenship, about some kind of discussion, but it is not under consideration, but it is not adopted, how much are you interested in the adoption of this law at all. as a representative of the ukrainian world community, what should this law look like? for many years, even before zelenskyi's presidency, we called for a formula of multiple or dual citizenship, because this simply reflects reality, the reality is that the majority of ukrainians living abroad, well, let's say, before a full-scale invasion, have the citizenship of another country, that is, this is reality today, but... they

they made it theoretically illegal, and the laws should adapt to people, to society, and not the other way around, and that is why we believe that multiple citizenships, especially today after a full-scale war, have become even more important, because this is one of the keys to the policy of return and with regard to politics and their involvement in the matter, because the child will be the mother will have a choice, the child will be born there in another country, has a choice whether to apply for ukrainian citizenship, because i want her to have another citizenship, or i take it upon myself citizenship, then i have to renounce ukrainian, we don't want that, we will lose a very, very important connection, for us, i will say what about this issue, i think that wars are real, we meet with many politicians, we just it was discussed, everyone was gathered. pro-ukrainian factions in the verkhovna

rada, in the week where many issues were discussed, including multiple citizenship, i would say that there is a consensus among all factions that in general we should have a law on multiple citizenship, but the question is which law, and it is very important for this law to be discussed, that there would be an opportunity for all political forces and the world congress of ukrainians to join the discussion of this law, because there is this law that... we saw it, we welcomed it, but it needs to be greatly refined, we need to put safety fuses there, let's say, we , we call for it to be specifically spelled out which countries can, we recognize that there can be dual citizenship, secondly, that in principle there must be one class of citizen, we cannot have two classes of citizens, and what does this mean, it means that as you have a double citizenship, you, for example, cannot run for the verkhovna rada, you cannot be the head of a department. you cannot be

a school director, because all this requires having one citizenship, we saw this in earlier laws, and this is harmful, because we want ukrainians abroad to join. to the reconstruction of ukraine, but as we have 25 million, maybe more, who live abroad today, we don't want them to have a voice, maybe in the verkhovna rada, and why can't a foreign ukrainian be a deputy in the verkhovna rada, and others just have limitations bills that we saw that those two classes created, but on the other side of the investigation, valda sadamka was going to be president of lithuania, being a citizen of the united states, he renounced his american citizenship, vair vic freiberg. was elected president of latvia, she renounced canadian citizenship, so they were ready to participate in the political development of their countries, i'm just mentioning the first people, because i remember it, to renounce the passport that they had from birth , in fact, and i know many that don't are ready to do it, well, there were even some

very professional ones, maybe there were even potential diplomats for ukraine, but none of them were ready to give up their own, that is, these are the cornerstones, obviously, when someone becomes president, i would... two citizenships, after all you check whether this person is worthy to have this access to secret information, maybe it’s just the experience of the post-soviet years, when people went to some positions there, they had russian passports in their pockets, all this was adapted, as if it should be , maybe now they are afraid

of any other citizenship, well, but we also want to become members of the european union, and as we want to become members of the european union, it then makes it automatic that there must be a permit to have dual citizenship. it should still be some kind of model, it seems to me, a legislative model, because on the one hand, i would really like ukrainians, immigrants from other countries, to take part in the development of ukraine, especially political ones, uh, well, many people with a good education, with understanding how real political processes develop, not post-soviet ones, that's all clear, but with on the other hand, this question is always what choice they make, well, you can't become an ambassador for 5 years, and then return to another country, any one, and continue working there, as if you didn't work here in the civil service, well, i think that's why. .. that's why it's necessary, vitaliy, we need to discuss it, because everyone understands the pros and cons of any law, we can't just present the law, everyone vote whether you like it or not, it is important that it be discussed in committees so that all political forces have

an opportunity to consult, to include civil society in this, so that we can have a discussion, so that all the issues that are there, and they are real issues, are they resolved in this law, and you? it was discussed with president zelenskyi in april in chernivtsi, when the meeting was held, they definitely discussed it, the president supports multiple citizenships, supports the concept that there should be one class of citizens, and we hope that it will be reflected in the law, in general, when was this meeting, which was the main thing at such moments, if we talk about it, it was the last meeting with the president, the truth is extensive, well, we see each other, for example, there was a short meeting in washington, when the president was at the nato summit. then had the opportunity to meet, but to have such a deep discussion, it was last april, and the president called on us to help in collecting military aid, in particular air defense, and called on all our communities to be active in their countries, to put political pressure on their

governments in order to provide maximum air defense and military aid, the second is the entrance membership in nato, and joining the eu, and third parties are very interesting. what the president presented to us, he called us to promote the ukrainian identity, and it was very good to hear it from the president, we obviously do it, but what the president calls and sees the importance of, so that we do not lose consciousness of those millions who left, and so that we keep this ukrainian identity, so that either they return or become our, our lawyers abroad, and by the way, about identity and generation, i wanted to ask you, because we now see... that there is a real generational change at the public and political level, there are more young people, to what extent this process is taking place in ukrainian communities, especially in the west, is there not aging, let's say communities, there are many people who

feel they are ukrainians, but are english-speaking in the united states and canada, they do not know the ukrainian language, they have a ukrainian identity, what to do with it, how to integrate these people into this general process, eh, i will start that i... i returned from a working visit of the scu to south america, where and worked widowed our communities, but also the main thing was to work with politicians, and i use them as an example, because these are already old communities, there are many of them, 400,000 in argentina, 600,000 in brazil, and this is already the fourth or fifth generation , they went there 135 years ago, the first immigrants, and we were the new wave krapolkli, there was a little bit of the third, a little bit of the fourth, but these are small groups, they lost their language, yes there they speak spanish, portuguese, spanish, portuguese, but they they cherish ukrainian culture very much. they, and therefore they consider themselves ukrainians, they have lost their language, but they love ukrainian dances, cuisine, church,

singing, i was surprised how wonderful they are, how beautifully they sing, but they do not know the ukrainian language, but they sing in the ukrainian language, yes, in the ukrainian language, yes, that’s it perhaps each one is a spectrum of this, as it should be, but it is important to be ukrainians, obviously we want them to speak ukrainians, we will cherish it, but we do not want us to have... a politically mature ukrainian community , who may not all know the ukrainian language, this is real, i look at the powerful organization of the congress of ukrainians of canada, there are many even heads of communities who do not speak ukrainian, but they are conducting ukrainian issues, and they are professionals, they are capable, and they can help a lot, we will nurture, we won't, but we can't reject them, and by the way, you talk about south america, that's an interesting point, because that might be the effort in the global south, where we see... governments are neutral on both participants in this war, prefer to maintain good relations with

russia, economic relations, to what extent communities there can change the society's point of view with with the elections brazil we may not we do not like lula's politics, i don't like it either, but still i didn't like the takinar anymore, well, but i think he understood, i met with his former ministers and they realized their mistake that... the minister of defense was recently in ukraine and i met with him, so i think they are ready to change their policies, but deputies, senators, brazil still democratic country, and that is why i called on my community to become politically active, to join politics, to become deputies, among other things, i met a very interesting member of the breniv... parliament , his name is pavlo bilinskyi, he is

already the second or third generation already in brazil, but he has three teeth drawn on his tattoo, he considers himself a patriot of ukraine and he really wants to work with us, he shows you the tattoo, the tattoo yes, well , take out the t-shirt, the t-shirt, i didn’t think about the climate, yes, the deputy, dad, as you saw, well yes, in brazil you can see everything, well, we also had dinner together, it was more informal, but we have to influence. through civil society, because i felt that both in brazil and argentina and in other countries, civil society supports us, they understand it, and we have to find different levers of influence to influence these governments, and it is possible, i think looking at the senate and looking at the parliament, how they feel about ukraine, i would say they are very positive, we will see, we call for them to pass laws by in november regarding the recognition of the holodomor genocide, they are discussing it right now, and it will be... a very breakthrough moment, when we can pass a law in brazil recognizing the holodomor

genocide, then we will, through the parliament and through other political forces, try to influence politics , and politics, as we know in a democracy, changes, that is, lula will not be around forever, and we hope that the next power that will be may be pro-ukrainian, but still we can even influence him, as i met with his foreign minister affairs, i called, i said, how can you be neutral when there is clearly an aggressor and... clearly there is a victim, that is, there is a country that is at war, and they are playing big politics, like big politics, but brazil frankly, it is in the pocket of china, as you have mentioned more than once, and i see this all over brazil, how many chinese banks are everywhere, everywhere everywhere on the street, so it is a difficult situation, there is a difficult situation. that brics is expanding and we have to think about how we can counter this

brics, i want to end this our conversation, maybe you would like to address ukrainians here and ukrainians outside of ukraine, at the end of our program today, maybe you want to say something that i didn't ask you about, well, thank you very much, vitaliy, as always, it's nice to talk, but dear ukrainians, i strongly urge you... that today, as ever, you should help ukraine in every direction, and donate, and volunteer, and go out into the streets, and actively participate in politics. and think to yourself what you will do every day to help ukraine, because each of us 25 million ukrainians abroad will do something every day to help ukraine, whether materially or politically, we can soon win this war, but only with joint efforts, we cannot hope that only the government or the state of america will save ukraine, it depends on all of us, so

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ukraine will take first place in the world in terms of population mortality, first place in terms of people leaving the country, and last in terms of birth rate. this is fresh data provided by the cia. the world reacts to the demographic crisis in ukraine, which was the result of russian aggression. what is the ukrainian government instead? she is mainly engaged in pr, announced the creation of a ministry

the return of ukrainians, and it seems that they did it only for the sake of a tick, to utter the right slogans. two weeks have passed, but there is neither a concept of a new department nor a strategy of state policy in this area. what can i say, they are still negotiating who will become the minister. meanwhile, as i warned earlier, the situation with demographics is only getting worse. the authorities multiply incompetent decisions, and instead of returning, ukrainians leave even more. we have minus 400 thousand since the beginning of this year. but the situation can be stabilized. we must prevent turning a demographic crisis into a demographic catastrophe. i have a set of specific proposals, ideas, and tools that i wrote in the draft law on the foundations of state demographic policy. it is registered in the parliament, but the authorities are in no hurry to adopt it or even consider it. a little later, i will talk about the details of this document, but for now i encourage you to subscribe to my channel so that together in dialogue we can determine our common future.

a depopulated ukraine is putin's strategic goal. he fails to beat us at front and moscow hopes to make our nation weak, our state weak, our economy impoverished in the future. in the summer, i published two films about the problems of refugees abroad and internally displaced persons in ukraine. most of the mistakes could be... disappeared if the government had a strategy to overcome the demographic crisis. i predict that this will be the main challenge of post-war ukraine. instead, the recent decisions have only made the situation worse, and i will tell you about them now. to those hundreds of thousands of children who are already there abroad, new ones joined this summer. mostly these are teenagers aged 16-17. these are the first consequences of reckless and chaotic mobilization, very often with flagrant violations of the law and rules. yes, mobilization is definitely necessary, i support it, but the way in which the state did it still annoys society. the bbc edition devoted extensive material to this problem.

in particular, the journalists told the story of 17-year-old jan touret from kyiv. he has a congenital neuropsychiatric disease, but the vlk medical commission recognized ian as limited fit. have did not agree with this conclusion and took the boy to slovakia before he was 18 years old. and this... is not some excess, a systemic problem, about which the authorities are cowardly silent, but our western neighbors are already paying attention to it and talking about it. thus, according to the data of the polish ministry of education, since the beginning of the 24th year, there have been 10,000 more ukrainian children in poland, and almost all of them are aged 16-17. i have the impression that their parents are afraid of being drafted into the army, so they decided to leave ukraine. yoanna mucha, deputy minister of education of the republic of poland. russians know about such fears of parents and actively use them in their ipsos. not so long ago, a letter appeared, allegedly from the ministry of education, demanding that schools provide

all information about boys born in 2008. it turned out very quickly that this is an ordinary fake, no one is going to mobilize teenagers. but just imagine, in the conditions of mistrust that exists in society towards the actions of the government, which has more than once neglected the interests of its citizens, many people believed in this lie and... quickly began to take children away border. the profile ministry that i propose to create will also deal with strategic communications with vulnerable demographic groups. today, each department invents something of its own. ukrainians are confused and do not know who to believe. in the future, all decisions that are even slightly related to the demographic crisis must be examined by the relevant ministry. it cannot be the case that the government makes a decision on the construction of gabions, this is such additional protection around schools, and the government makes a special resolution. accepted a job, but there are no funds for it predicted, that is, de facto the government forces communities to close schools, because schools cannot build these gabions, and children go

abroad. well, for now, this is the only way we can draw attention to the problem through publicity. in particular, after the publicity from my film about the terrible housing situation for refugees, the government finally started to develop a subsidy mechanism for housing rent for internally displaced people. it should be operational by the end of this year, but... but all this is firefighting, we are already in the third year of the war and finally it's time to move on to strategy. immigrants and their problems will not disappear anywhere, and in post-war ukraine, too, on the contrary, there will be even more of them. olav scholz's latest statement indicates that the honeymoon for ukrainians in the european union is coming to an end. the chancellor said that currently only 200,000 ukrainians are working, which is very few. he wants there to be more. the fact is that in germany there is only one social assistance for ukrainians with the status of temporary protection. one of the highest in europe, about 500 € per adult, and, by the way, many ukrainians from poland, who have not found a job, leave for germany and live there social assistance, high payments and complex

requirements for confirmation: a ukrainian diploma is the reason that only 20% of ukrainians work in germany, and it is also difficult to learn german, in poland it is much easier for ukrainians from this point of view, but there is a high level of social assistance, and the percentage of ukrainians working there is one of the lowest in the european union. after the last local elections, which demonstrated the growth of the extreme right in saxony and thuringia, political pressure began on the german authorities with the demand to limit the number of refugees. ministry of internal affairs of the fed. have already declared that the country has exhausted its capacity to accept refugees. ukrainians in germany cannot deprive the right to collective temporary protection, which was adopted by the entire european union, but they can limit generous payments. the minister of foreign affairs of poland, radoslav sikorskyi, also calls on the european union to take an example from warsaw and not pay social assistance to refugees, so that they, in particular, become members of the armed forces of ukraine. if they are under protection eu, as refugees, they receive. eur per

month for each child, included in the polish system. in western europe, they receive other benefits. this is a financial incentive for young men and women who could return home to defend their country. we must not subsidize disobedience. radoslav sikorskyi, minister of foreign affairs of poland. well, it is a noble goal, but in order for them to return to ukraine, conditions must be created for them as well, because many men are there with their families. a whole series restrictions have already entered into force. estonia has stopped paying housing rent compensation to refugees who have been in the country for more than a year. since august, hungary has been paying for housing for residents of only 13 regions of ukraine, which they recognized as affected by the war. all these facts indicate a trend: only those who have learned the language and found a job will remain abroad. others will have to return home. and now the main question is: will ukraine be ready to accept them? if the government just

creates a ministry with... a nice sign to please the voters, obviously not, we don't we will be ready for the return of our people. we need a comprehensive approach, which is why in my draft law i foresee the creation of not only the ministry of demography and diaspora, but also a fund for the restoration of demographic potential. what is it, why create another structure, many ask. well, the ministry can be compared to the brain. they work with politicians, they analyze problems and propose their solutions. and the fund is a problem-solving operator. it is through him that specific steps and programs are implemented. the best way is to have a variety targeted grants, because they provide for openness and fair competition, and therefore corruption risks are removed. of course, ukrainians often ask the question: where to get the money for all this? and in fact, the ministry does not require any colossal resources. they can be obtained by competently redistributing funds that already exist within the departments. for the projects that

the fund will take care of, the state should in any case. to find money, because this is the construction of affordable housing for displaced persons, social loans for youth, funds to overcome unemployment, retraining, educational initiatives, ultimately funds to increase the birth rate, and the source of funding will be government programs, public-private partnerships, funds from western governments and international organizations. eu countries once actively helped solve the problems of refugees after the wars in azerbaijan, georgia, moldova, and croatia. from these countries, in particular from georgia, mention how quality housing was really built for them, especially for refugees from abkhazia. also, let's not forget about the seized russian assets, interest from them should go to the reconstruction of the country, and people are the main resource, and it is in him that the most should be invested. however , the main thing for this should be a strategic understanding by the authorities of both the final goal and the intermediate stages. therefore, in my draft law, i propose to adopt three basic

documents. the first is the state strategy of demographic development of ukraine, the second is the strategy of national security of ukraine, and the third is the strategy of human development. on this basis, a whole array of specifics should appear programs and projects that will really change our country. the ukrainian state should exclude the problem of refugees from those that really exist, on the contrary, include a solution in the strategy of victory. ukraine will never be like it was before the war, and the future of our country must be decided right now. we are servicemen of the griga separate unit named after volodymyr griga, a platoon of unmanned aviation systems of the 76th separate battalion of the 102nd.