zelensky is going to present a victory plan, and he is also going to present this victory plan to kamala harris, joseph biden and trump. in this context, how can ukraine now build its relations with, including the same trump himself. we see that, in principle, the ukrainian leadership is trying to do this... not knowing who will win after all, and whether it is really correct to present the plan, which, in principle, will most likely not be implemented yet, well , first of all, i don't know , what will happen in this regard, president zelenskyi has already said that he first show it to biden, then to kamel harris and donald trump, and then show it to the people, if there are any documents that can be shown to the people, then it is not a plan, because ... any plans make sense only

when they are seen only for official use, so this is just a certain set of proposals that should help ukraine preserve its sovereignty and restore territorial integrity, intentions. in principle , i believe that there is nothing wrong with maintaining contacts with both candidates, that is, zelensky foresees the possibility kamela garis wins and chance to win. trump, that is why he is very careful about his statements about trump, he says that trump understands about him, i think that this is not true, i am sure that if trump is elected the president of the united states, he will be angry with zelensky, but that’s the way it is, it’s also a no-brainer "necessarily so, because there may already be other forces that will put pressure on trump, not zelensky, the forces of support for ukraine, including among the republicans. trump was very angry with zelensky, as he was with poroshenko when he was president, but he had to reckon with the forces supporting ukraine in the congress. in society, and i really

hope that it will be so, but if we talk about a real plan, then i, if i were a diplomat there, of course, a document that would be presented to the winner of the presidential election, there would be logic in this, that is, there is elections for the president of the united states are held, one or another candidate wins them, and i, as the president of... ukraine , represent my plan for victory to this candidate, who is taking over from the new old administration. no need to show it to everyone you only need to show one person. to the new president of the united states? well, president zelensky decided to take a different path, i don’t think that from a political point of view, from the point of view of this love for presentation, you see that the president has a love for...

presentations, for speeches, for speeches, for the presence of public , this is related to his real profession, acting, and if he can believe that if he goes to the united states, then he has to do something so spectacular that he will make this trip unforgettable, this is cinematic logic, so imagine that in the script, we live in the logic of this script, and you ask the producer, what will make my trip unforgettable, well, not the trip, my... my appearance in the frame, here i am in the frame of the series at the 15th minute, i the star of the tv series volodymyr zelenskyi, it's called double, i'm flying to new york, wow, let's go, what do i have to do to remember, i can't pass that easily, maybe i'll get some nice cover up, maybe i'll hit some russian spy, well, it's all interesting, when you're an actor but you're president, you can't do that. you understand, because it doesn't matter anymore

are you going to smoke or are you going to hit someone, you need something different than the president, because you are acting as the president, so the plan to win, i came to the united states with a new plan, and then they discuss it, i offered it to the president, i mentioned it to trump , i proposed it to kamel harris, we are discussing it, the very fact of my action, well, this love for such, i would say public steps, it could lead to the presentation of such a document. may not be, may not be anything specific, if so anatomy to understand how the president works in general, how his entourage works, they work in the logic of the series, they perceive politics, politics in particular, fortunately they do not perceive war in the same way as the series, and if you understand that you are not dealing with politicians, and with the people who are shooting this big series, president volodymyr zelenskyi at the bank, then everything becomes absolutely clear and... and

you can calculate, by the way, it is dangerous, because it is not only for me, if you work in the federal service security of the russian federation, or in the foreign intelligence service, in principle, you do not need information, you can count each step if you understand this logic. but the problem is, for no, it is not a problem, happiness is that vladimir putin also lives in logic, only a different series, i already told it, it seems to me in our previous broadcast, a very old soviet series, and here is this one, so cringe , one might say, an old soviet series, and this, i would say, a new post-soviet series, you see, i once said in the 19th year that it was a competition... between kvn and kkdb, and now it the struggle between the 17 localities of vesna and the servant of the people. it's just that these two films are playing at the same time, and in one film we are being shot and killed, in the other film we are living the rich life of people's favorites. and so these two, these

studios shoot these two films, we are, unfortunately, in mass, in this situation, but on the other hand, it is better that there should be such a film as servant of the people, and not such a film as 17. because such the film allows society to fight for its interests, for its country, the interests of the head of state are inseparable from the interests of the country, in where it is located, because if there is no country, there will be no place to film. we have another small topic, it is erdogan, brics, and support for the return of crimea, but erdogan is trying once again. to sit down on two chairs, no, he is not trying, he is sitting, he is sitting, and for a long time on these two chairs, in fact, we have already talked on past broadcasts about the fact that turkey has submitted an application to join the brics, and on the other hand , we saw that there is a statement by erdogan that

he supports the territorial integrity of our country and that he believes that crimea has to return de facto to ukraine, where is yura, he is ukrainian anyway. and another piece of news, if we are talking about turkey, then we know very well that vladimir putin was going to fly somewhere in some perspective, he did not fly to turkey again, he did not fly again, why, because turkey, erdogan did not fulfill his conditions, in particular, one of the conditions was that putin would be accompanied by fighter jets of the air force of the russian federation, an argument was, of course, rejected. was that allegedly ukraine could shoot down putin's plane or create some kind of sabotage, yes, ah the argument of the turkish side was that the air and missile defense of this country can consider

the presence of russian fighter jets, russian strategic and tactical aircraft in the sky, as enemy equipment that can simply be shot down. so that one plane from another cannot be distinguished by the air much, that is , you see how everyone is actually trying to sit on two chairs, and how do you evaluate these maneuvers of erdoğan and still, who is turkey supporting in this case, whether it is himself or they support themselves, they are not interested in no the fate of russia, not the fate of ukraine. no, i think that they are interested in the fate of ukraine, because they are interested in what will happen to crimea, from... not only a foreign political point of view, but from an internal political point of view, because there is greatness there, and they would like it to be real, to crimea still belonged to ukraine, of course, crimea's stay in ukraine is a guarantee of the national rights of the crimean tatar people, crimea's stay in russia is the absence of this guarantee, by the way, it is known from the time, relatively

speaking, kychuk said the nagorno-karabakh peace, what russia is simply carrying out genocide in crimea, it didn't start in 2014, it started in 1700 somehow. we remember the actual genocide of the crimean tatar people, their resettlement back in the 40s, that's right, but it started from catherine's times, not from stalin's, not from putin's, it happens all the time, so they think , that ukraine, according to the norms of a democratic state there, with a different demographic, well, think about it, well, after all , 30 million people live in ukraine, one way or another, and 130 million in russia, russia can replace the population in crimea, increase. thus blurring the role of the crimean tatar people. ukraine cannot do this objectively and it is not interested in doing it consciously. russia is interested in this and is doing it consciously. if you put yourself in erdogan's place, you will understand that it is beneficial for you to have crimea as ukrainian. even without any emotions. just

pure cold calculation. at the same time , you want to maintain relations with russia because it is economically beneficial for you. tourists, profit from the fact that you help russia circumvent sanctions. and with that you have to balance here so as not to quarrel with the west, so you explain this relationship with russia by the fact that you want to be a mediator, briksmen in ... this situation does not bother much at all. andrei, i have already said that i believe that brics is not a russian club, but a chinese club. and it will be very important for erdogan to be a part of the global south. if russia was not in brics, he would have gone there too. even i said, i would be more likely to go to brics than if russia were not there, because the very presence of russia in brics is blurring the concept of the global south. russia - it's not the global rooster, well, it's the global north, but it's the global north, absolutely. well, all the other countries that are there are countries of the global south, and in this situation, of course, erdoğan continues to balance, and we

could assume that if he applies to brics, then he will not be so tough on the crimean platform , the very fact of his appearance on the crimean platform, this is the second time, it seems to me that he made a similar statement last year, he is already quite infuriating russians, because i remind you that when the crimean platform began. in 2000 20 the first year, probably it was the 55th anniversary of the independence of ukraine, 20 years, 30 years in 2021, 2021 is 30 years, but he was not there, the then minister of foreign affairs of turkey, mivlyutcheva soglu, was there. came, but erdoğan did not address the participants of the summit, and now it is the second time. comes forward, and of course, it pisses off putin and company, because he is talking about

the territorial integrity of ukraine, precisely when talking about crimea, which is always the most painful place for russians. well, as we can see erdogan, of course, will continue to sit on these two chairs, and of course, we will also observe various kinds of assistance to russia from the side of turkey and, conditionally speaking, under... the hold of ukraine at certain moments is still such a position of this state. events, events that are happening right now and affect our lives. of course, the news story reports about them, but few know what is happening. it is necessary to understand. borkovsky and invited experts soberly evaluate events, analyze them, modeling our future.

every saturday at 13:10 with a repeat at 22:00. studio event with anton borkovsky at espresso. glory to ukraine, dear tv viewers, we will analyze the west studio program on the air of the tv channel. the higher events of this week, in particular we will analyze the situation with the so -called negotiations, there are a lot of clear and hidden signals, but we understand that some of them are just a smoke screen. our guests today are extremely informed. daniel frith and oleksandr morozov. an iconic american diplomat, ex-coordinator of the state department, will now be on the air of the espresso tv channel of the united states on sanctions policy, ambassador daniel. frit. glory to ukraine, dear mr. ambassador. glad to see you on spresso. glory. well, it's

an extremely difficult situation. we understand that the issue of allowing our military to use american weapons, british weapons, and generally weapons of the euro-atlantic community to strike military targets on the territory of the russian federation is on the table. we understand that there have been extremely difficult debates, but there is hope that maybe... we will get that permission, and the key story is to get enough long-range weapons, yes, because authorization is extremely important, but the number of certain units that can fly to strategic russian airfields is equally important. i hope that the united states and the british government will lift restrictions on ukraine's use of long-range weapons for self-defense. in my opinion, ukraine should catch up'. laws of war, with no other restrictions, ukraine was attacked without any

good reason, and i believe that the administration biden is considering his next steps. i really hope that soon a decision will be made to remove these restrictions. i understand that some are concerned about russian escalation. yes, russia has nuclear weapons, but so do we. we must allow ukraine to defend itself according to the laws of war. but no other restrictions are appropriate. 100 years ago, the polish prime minister paderewski, addressing his british colleagues, asking for weapons, asking for ammunition, he said that the poles were paying with blood in order to maintain the versailles order, in the same way, now ukraine is paying with its blood

in order to maintain the world order and international treaties. and so on, and we understand that we need closer cooperation, a clearer strategy, a joint strategy, yes, which would allow us to win as soon as possible, we are talking about ukraine, and accordingly, i would like to ask you about the so-called plans, your vision, your feeling of what is called the ukrainian victory plan, because for a certain time there was such a concept to prevent ukraine from losing. but ukraine's victory is not ukraine's loss is a completely different matter, but in any case, ukraine pays with the blood of its best children to ensure that the international order is respected. you are right that ukraine is fighting for the principles of what we used to call the free world. it is about

the principles according to which some countries should not encroach on others for the purpose of conquest. and that there should be no empires, but only nation-states living in peace with one another and respecting the rules of international order. of course, ukraine is fighting for exactly that, and it is supported by the united states, great britain and those countries that we are used to collectively call the free world. russia, on the other hand, is fighting for an empire, putin's empire of greed and vanity, russia. an empire oppressing other peoples is not the path to stability, it is the path to eternal conflict. ukraine rightly claims that its struggle is also our struggle, and ukraine's victory will be the victory of the entire free world. we understand that american sanctions and european sanctions act rather slowly, but sometimes the moment comes

when the russians start looking for food in in the literal sense. i remember how at one time in the late 80s russians came to ukraine to buy sausage, accordingly, i don't know if this scenario will be repeated now, but the more often i hear from representatives of the kremlin that sanctions should be lifted , the more i understand that inna biullina, and not only she is beginning to understand what situation their economy is in, but at the moment it is standing, and at the moment we understand that the chinese people's ... republic and india have put a shoulder to the russians and we have this change, on the other hand we understand that this requires the consolidation of all civilized humanity, but unfortunately, we see various international signals that certain states want to play that game with russia, that is, we dump and buy cheaper resources, whether it concerns

oil or concerns gas and so on, and it's something from... the economy. the sanctions imposed on russia by the usa, europe and the g7 countries have dealt a blow to the russian economy. they put pressure on the russian military machine, but this blow was not painful enough. the introduction of sanctions resembles a game: you introduce them, and the object of sanctions tries to avoid them. you try to fight with the method'. evasion, and therefore the object finds new ways to avoid them. this is what is happening right now. in june and august, the biden administration introduced new sanctions targeting evaders. these are good steps, but not enough. there are ways in which the united states and europe can increase the pressure on russia. for example, the usa

and europe should as soon as possible decide on the use of frozen russian vessels. and use them to help ukraine. the alternative agreed to by the g7 is to transfer to ukraine at least the interest earned on these immobilized assets, which is about 50 billion dollars. of course, this is a good amount, but apart from them. would continue to insist on using the entire amount of frozen russian assets for ukraine's needs. this is what the us and europe can do. the second thing we can do is increase the pressure on the sale of russian oil, the price limits under which russia can sell its oil at a very high price it costs her, but she finds ways

to circumvent this sanction. we must focus our efforts on limiting russia's financial capabilities through the oil and gas sector and other sources of income. it is important to find effective ways to reduce their income. in particular, by imposing additional sanctions and creating obstacles to the sale of oil. with regard to third countries, such as china, which are suppliers of dual-use military products and technology to russia, we must increase the pressure through increased secondary sanctions. this will apply not only chinese companies, but also banks cooperating with russia. it is important to ensure that aid to russia becomes and economically unprofitable for these countries. sanctions, as you point out, will not immediately collapse the economy, but they may create long-term pressures that will weaken

putin's ability to sustain this illegal and immoral war. mr. ambassador frith, i would like to ask you about iran's containment strategy, yes? well, the information is almost confirmed, what the ayatollah regime is passing on to russia. rockets, yes, they are of different types, there is a different their range is different, but we have no doubt where these rockets will fly, yes, we, we do not know whether they will kill me there, whether they will kill our translator there, whether they will kill one of the children, or they will be directed at energy facilities, we simply do not know, but we know that iran dared to do this, we understand that for them this is a wrong decision, and iran must pay for it, pay. the full price of blood, on the other hand, we are aware that we in ukraine, from the fact that some additional sanctions will be imposed on iran, well does not get any easier, that is, our blood

is more important to us than the fact that the regime in iran may begin to shake, and we understand how much ukraine and russian aggression against ukraine are tied to the situation, including in the middle east, and at the same time we are very concerned that... the ayatollah and the kremlin regime are beginning to converge in what is called the military component. we had other expectations from the renewed new iranian president. you are quite right that russia and iran are now acting as allies. a peculiar axis was formed authoritarians. china, russia, and iran cooperate with other countries that hate the concept of a free world. and they believe that russia should be supported in its efforts to restore its empire, because these countries believe in empires and spheres of domination. iran wants to be a great power in the middle

east, russia wants to dominate the post-soviet space and the former territories of central and eastern europe. and china wants to absorb taiwan again. instead, countries that value freedom, such as ukraine, poland, and the european union. great britain, the us and other free countries believe in an order based on the principles of peace, cooperation and sovereignty. this is not naivety, as it seems at first glance, but the basis of strategies that developed during the second half of the 20th century and continue to be relevant today. we share these values ​​together with ukraine, because we understand that the protection of freedom and democracy is key. not only for ukraine, but also for our own national interests. this is what poland, the usa, ukraine and many other countries believe in, because we don't

we know the alternatives. this vision of a free world order is opposed to the imperial one. it is a better and more efficient system. however, this is the order that putin hates, and it is the order that his allies like iran are trying to destroy. easy to say and not easy to do. it is easier to talk about a free world order than to oppose dictators and aggressors who seek to destroy it. however, we must take seriously the challenges of our time, because much depends on the outcome of the russian-ukrainian war. as an american i can say that there will be fewer problems in the world if ukraine wins. aid to ukraine is non-charitable, it is in our interests. i do not know what the situation will be in the american budget now, or how actively

it will work. the british government, but i know that in order to hold the country we need more, constantly more, such a sad logic of war, which simply eats up all resources, that is, war eats up money and so on, but there is also such a story as certain negotiating tracks, dear mr. ambassador free, we understand, that there are some or other, sometimes behind-the-scenes discussions, sometimes even public ones. to these stories, the so-called istanbul summit with the participation of the russian side took place at one time, and we understand what the kremlin is counting on now, that the unshakable will of the collective event may be reduced in terms of financing and providing us with specific financial and military resources, a reduction, that is, not it is said that it will be completely leveled, and on the other hand, the kremlin hopes that

their... tactics of destroying our energy system will be able to force ukrainians to look at the war and the prospects for its end in a different way. i understand that this is too broad a field to talk about, but i would ask you now to outline different scenarios that you think are realistic, because there is mr. trump, there is ms. harris, there are so many different figures in the world. on which, in principle, our victory depends and the fact that our state will resist russian aggression, well , in any case, putin's plus-minus plan , we have seen, over the last few years, continuous attacks, the use ground strikes, missile strikes and so on, but i would like you to analyze the different approaches in what is called

a perspective: forcing the kremlin to sit down at the table of changes. at the event, the debate on support for ukraine continues. some argue that the war is unwinnable, that russia will eventually achieve its goals, and that peace on russian terms should be pushed for as soon as possible to stop hostilities. former president donald trump, during a debate with kamela harris, said that his... is not a victory of ukraine, but only the cessation of hostilities, presumably on putin's terms. there are many in the west who share this position. however, the leaders of leading european countries, as well as the biden administration, continue to strongly support ukraine. ukrainians now sometimes express concern over delays in american decisions on weapons systems and

slow deliveries. however , the biden administration has already done a lot for ukraine, as well as germany, for example, although sometimes germany's position seems unclear to me, it has also invested significant efforts in supporting of ukraine. poland has also done a lot for ukraine. ukrainians are not alone in their struggle. the discussions at the event are understandable, but they should end with a decision to continue supporting ukraine. during the pre-election debates, kamala harris strongly and repeatedly supported this idea. she criticized donald trump, arguing that he would be willing to accept flattery from dictator vladimir putin, which would harm ukraine and endanger poland and all of europe. she used the language of american presidents such as harry truman and ronald reagan, who defended freedom. and

opposed aggressive dictators. many ukrainians would say that these are nice words, but americans should act faster and more decisively in support of ukraine. and i agree with that. as i have already mentioned, i hope that the united states and great britain will lift restrictions on the use of long-range weapons by ukraine on the territory of russia. ukraine has the right to defend itself, and russia cannot. expect its territory to remain safe while it attacks all of ukraine, killing civilians and terrorizing ukrainian society bombs, missiles and attacks on the energy infrastructure, worsening the life of the ukrainian people. russia has no right to any privileged status, i hope that in the near future the united states will agree.