efekna with smoke so black there and that’s all, there were no nuclear radioactive materials 2 km from the power units, that is , there was no nuclear danger, but this is in the framework of the preparation of the information here before the accusation of ukraine that we intend to buy the kas rate, and by the way unfortunately, our ukrainian political scientists... all the questions, they started to develop conspiracy theories there, what should be bought to exchange for zas, or something else, but we, unlike russia, adhere to international obligations, for example, my relatives military, and i know how difficult it is to comply with the geneva conventions for the treatment of prisoners, and it is a risk to life. when you take them out of

the front line, that is, the purpose of the kursk operation is completely different in my opinion, no one is going to fire there, the russians were there again all august, they met personally with the head of the russian embassy, ​​ulyanov met with grosi, persuaded him to go to kursk, he came, they insisted, for him to admit that it was us... to the shelling of the kursks by the ukrainian armed forces, but he also did not say anything, i.e. the work of magate is actually quite important, not just declarative, as many said at the beginning, but these are really useful steps, as it is now really timely according to the announcement by energoatom that magate will expand the representation of its monitoring missions on ukrainian infrastructure objects that have an impact for safety nuclear

power plants, it seems to me that it will be good, especially when such mass attacks will, unfortunately, continue. well, for example, why did such a proposal arise from the ukrainian side, because on the 26th they were on the verge of a radiation accidents, why? when, for example, something hits a transformer near the npp, the switchgear near the npp is open, the emergency system stops the regular power units, the chain reaction and safety stop, this time the russians hit the transformers not near the npp, but somewhere the second line is like that, but they are important for power output as well, they hit and fluctuations began in the network and reactors. they didn't know how

to fight it, that is, on august 26, i will remind the audience that the attack was just at the exits from the atomic tanks, the output of power from the atomic blocs, and i think that the magate mission, well, in fact, will help to control the situation, if not to put pressure on russia, as you say, then at least to fix, fix, well, yesterday the first such visit was in the nearest place of magates. or somehow there, they are also on khmelnytskyi, rivneskyi, and south ukrainian, that is , they recorded the destruction, the extent, there will be a technical survey, it is clear that there are many such objects in ukraine, on which security depends, and we were actually also on the verge of a blackout, that is, the collapse of the energy system unite the parts, and the first, third, fourth. the rymnene power units stopped

irregularly, the khmelnytskyi power unit was working, the output of a powerful non-united power system, to poland through the khasov line, and then the southern ukrainian one, due to fluctuations from changes in purity, irregular and so on, what makes it dangerous, there is such a thing as the engineer says, dangerously. the opening of the safety valve, er, and it's like an explosion, here 's a sound like an explosion, er, in the first circuit, and the loss of the coolant of the first circuit is water that cools not directly heat sink assemblies in the reactor core, fortunately for us the valves closed, but if they had not closed, it would have been like three myland. in the usa there is an accident from the melting of

the active zone, when the loss of the heat carrier occurs, the melting of the active zone with the release of radioactivity, in 1979 the usa had such a thing, that is, it is very dangerous. and the fact that ukraine wrote an official note is correct, and only after that, when the note was in the public domain, something was written by our state regulator, the minister is now actively promoting these dangers for the au, that is, on the one hand, the russians allegedly comply with article 56 of the additional protocol to the geneva conventions. where it is written that it is not possible to fire at nuclear plants or dams that contain dangerous forces for the population, well, you see, they do not fire at the object specifically, but at the second generation line, they designed nuclear power plants, soviet times, they know

these vvr 1000 , vvr 440 that we operate, well , i think that in the second part of our program with olga kosharna we will talk about exactly that. sanctions to be imposed on the opinion of the ukrainians of the international community against rosatom, this is important, because rosatom knows about the construction of ukrainian nuclear power plants, which is why such massive attacks continue. let's take a break and be back in the studio in a moment.

we are military personnel of a separate unit of the griga named after volodymyr griga, a platoon of unmanned aviation complexes. 76th separate battalion of the 102nd separate brigade. in the zaporozhye direction , combat clashes occur daily due to constant enemy assaults. this does not bypass the guliypil direction, which our battalion is already defending almost two years. right now we need three times as many modifiers and fire damage from the sky. therefore, we are appealing

to everyone who cares to collect funds for 20 duj mavic clasic drones and 10 3t mavics. yes, the amount is not small, but the life of your siblings and relatives is much more expensive. we really hope for your support, donation and distribution, let's not let the occupier take a step further and accelerate the victory together. glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes. let's return to the espresso studio. olga kosharna, independent expert on nuclear issues energies and security, guest express interview. so, ms. olya, we stopped with you on such a delicate but strategically important topic, namely sanctions against rosatom. they are being talked about in the european union, in the states, great britain, but here they dare

to introduce restrictions against a large corporation, which in fact unleashed its, well, claws on everyone. continents do not dare, they talked about the 10th and 11th, it seems, a package, but nothing happened there. in your opinion, how important is it now to at least start with something, in order to tighten the screws dewy? well, this is very important, sanctions and personal sanctions against the management of the state corporation and against some companies connected, well, to rosatom, there... many companies, both engineering, and manufacturing, and with the nuclear fuel cycle, and so on, well, they were applied usa, great britain and ukraine. as for european countries, this is due to the personal position of slovakia and hungary, which,

for example, issued a license in 2022 for the construction of spaksh according to a russian project for russian loans, but there will be no consolidated sanctions against rossat. more that, on the one hand, france supports ukraine, even macron said that he does not mind if there are french troops on the territory of ukraine, but on the territory of the state. fromatom created a joint venture with the russian company tvl on the territory of germany to produce heat-releasing assemblies for the soviet fvr 440 reactors under the license of the russian company tvl. well, these are double standards, first of all, that's why i believe that our diplomats should work with the representatives of the european countries of the european union, so that they apply them. started with personal ones sanctions against the management, likhachev, there is the head of the corporation, he also goes to vienna,

there, he meets the magathe, the war, you understand, and so on, as far as projects are concerned, the portfolio of orders from rosatam is 140 billion dollars, all over the world, all over of the world, here i see that bangladesh is building there, turkey, and... uzbekistan, kyrgyzstan, and not only as is being built. for example, in kyrgyzstan they have a hydroelectric power plant, and a small, small modular russian reactor there. yes, so i believe that our partners who have authority and influence on the government. for example, egypt or bangladesh, they somehow have to

negotiate behind the scenes, well, here it must be said that not only the construction of facilities is taking place, here countries are subsidized for nuclear fuel, russian, tvel companies, ukraine has already refused and uses the american house, it is possible to do it first step, it really is sanctions against tvela and that those countries that, unfortunately, already have... the nuclear units built by russia switch to another nuclear fuel, well, this is also a paradox, or back in the 14th year , the european commission issued a communication, it was devoted to the energy security of europe and for the first time it was analyzed what types of energy resources each state depends on imports, and it was recommended to look for them in the 14th year. another supplier, the second, to diversify the supply of nuclear fuel

for soviet projects, 19 such reactors are now in the eu, when the full-scale invasion began, first in march 22 , finland abandoned the russian project, they planned a new construction, and now finland has also already declared that they purchased a batch of westinghouse fuel for vvr reactors. 440 you see, it is possible to do something, that is, 12 years were lost, well , 12, 10, and why only finland, maybe, well, now they were uniting, the czech republic is also on this path, there are movements, but it is not very quickly, in contrast to gas, raw materials, this is a technological product, it is necessary to carry out research and exploitation there, that is, it takes four years. and now they have united and use the ukrainian

experience of introducing westinghouse fuel, we also used 440 vvr 1000 westinghouse fuel, and now last year we loaded the first a batch for vvr 440, the first second level on one of the blocks, but for now this zone will be from the fuel of one. several fuel companies are needed, three or four years. well, here, if such specific examples already exist, i think that the european union really needs to make some economic restrictions, some sanctions, even if they are insignificant , based on such real stories as with finland, as well as with ukraine, which uses american fuel for nuclear reactors, well , if we talk further about nuclear energy in the world where is ukraine integrated, in particular, into the european union, how much

is the international community betting on renewable energy sources, whether the peaceful atom will still remain one of the main suppliers of electricity for many years. i think the best mix is ​​renewable sources with nuclear energy, because we have to comply with the paris agreement. climate change, and now there are a lot of projects, this is the current trend for the development of small and medium-sized modular reactors, more and more. there are already 80 different projects, and he is a pioneer canada, they have such territories, the northern ones, where, well, for example, like in russia, here is the severny morskoi puth, yes, only there 30 days a year you can start diesel fuel, they adopted at the state level a program,

implementation, small and medium modular reactors, they have selected three different... technologies, three different suppliers, and the first unit should be operational in the 28th year, we have time to monitor how the process is going, that is, to select the best technology after the victory, i believe that the future of nuclear energy in ukraine, the era of gigantism is over, that is, we are moving to modular reactions, to modular ones, for example, i know that the company detekker... gave these technologies to build them, and what led to the invasion, to build them on the sites of thermal power plants on coal, and now there is actually akhmetov he was left without a business in thermal generation because the russians damaged everything, and in this direction he has renewable sources, these accumulator batteries, and i think that there are

investors, the company is american-ukrainian. andriy koboliv was also there, they studied the possibilities of industrial production localization of the production of these reactors and so on here, and i think that this is the future of nuclear energy in ukraine together with the development of hydrogen generation and solar wind power. and about the near future, this is a really difficult winter, which is waiting for us distributed generation. which was announced by the authorities, to what extent the energy of the sun, wind, water and indeed nuclear power plants can balance in the conditions of the shelling of the russian federation, because let me remind you, well, it will not go anywhere, they will continue on the objects of the energy infrastructure, and they will be, i'm sure, well, first of all, wind

and solar, they need to be balanced, because wind is better than anything. because the wind also happens at night, we had a skew in other countries of the world, 70% wind generation and about 30 solar, and we had the opposite, because the tariff was included in the law, the law named after the klyuyev brothers, i call it, that is, they tied the cost kilowatts to euros in the law, not the resolutions of the nerc, so that it is possible. was to be canceled, that is, and therefore it gave an impetus to development, but it was not proportional, not balanced, and well, we have what we have, but we lost what 18 gigawatts of electricity generation is different, and wind power, in particular, in occupied territories that are no longer in our power system, you understand, that is

, for example, in the kherson region, which is partly occupied, there are many wind power plants, they were useful now, but that’s why i see the report for balancing of gas turbine-gas-piston and power plants on biogas, but about biogas, one of such objects saw a fairly recent solution, it is true, it is a modern small compact complex, it is clear that a little bit is possible and the smell from it is not like that. unnatural goes, but nevertheless, this is an investment, this locality is certain, and this is a natural resource for providing electricity, in fact, even a small regional center, in your opinion, as far as possible, not at the state level, but at the level of companies, businesses, such objects can become

powerful and powerful for entrepreneurs, well, i hope for ukrainian business, for private investments for... self-sufficiency, first of all, and the process has already begun. i believe that it is necessary to attract private business there on the basis of public-private partnerships, even for a small and medium-sized nuclear reactor, is also possible, that is , to provide for your company, plus society, yes, of course, and i believe that, for example, our partners, or foreign investors, they should cooperate with the territory... communities, i believe that this is centralization, how minister galushchenko wants to manage everything, no, it is impossible, it is impossible to coordinate, i see that he... poorly manages and coordinates, for example, the energy support fund, where are the donors, i recommend

communicate with their colleagues abroad, in poland and so on and communicate with territorial communities, and this will be very productive, but are there certain successful cases of territorial communities that are as independent as possible, prepared for winter, installed perhaps such non... large, well, biodiesel plants, or large generators, which villages they can, at least, well, such social infrastructure provide electricity, well, i took part in the transmission of khmelnytskyi regional television, and here is khmelnytskyi, as an example, they three years went to the maximum critical infrastructure to provide, ternopil and zhytomyr, these are us... the mayors, in fact, the mayors who go there to international conferences, attract investments and so on, so i think that this is the hope for

maintaining normal conditions, which here and the investor can specifically come to a certain location and to see the object, to know exactly where the funds are invested, in which installation, on which land plot, and not just to help in general. the account, let's talk about the state, and then where will these funds go, to which project will they be directed, well, that's enough for now it is difficult, in particular, i monitor international revenues, the authorities announce record sums for both energy and social payments to support business, but i would like to see a specific calculation that society, the public does not see, where did the hryvnia, dollar or euro go ? well, here are my colleagues, experts, independent. and so on, they conduct trainings on how to draw up a business plan for a specific project, and when the community

comes with such a business plan already, for example, well, i don't know of such cases that from the energy support fund, which is managed the ministry, something was allocated to the territorial community for specific projects, unfortunately i do not know of such examples, but if we talk for a minute about... global financing by international partners, it is interesting, after all, what global projects are currently being implemented by the ministry of energy and atom , the energy atom of global projects, preparatory work at the x3 x4 site without any regulations, well, they are restoring some crane there for 260 million, some kind of construction wagons battle tanks they buy something else, but there is none. the law, which allows already to develop working project, and i don't like that russian reactors are being purchased in bulgaria, it is planned, uh, but the bulgarians again today

the message was that they postponed for another 180 days, the decision on the sale of the energy atom of this equipment, indeed, there are still questions, but the time unfortunately, no more, olga kosharna, an independent expert on nuclear energy and security, was... a guest on espresso, i will say goodbye to you, stay with us and watch us. who is close to politics, is close to politics , close to the world. maria gurska, journalist tv channel and portal sestri.u and pavel koval, head of the committee on foreign affairs of the polish diet and chairman. the shock that ukraine and poland are experiencing due to

the brutality of the new stage of putin's air war against ukraine. first, kyiv, poltava. first kyiv, then poltava, lviv. people are dying, infrastructure and residential buildings are being destroyed. the old city in lviv was attacked. a few days ago, lviv and all of ukraine.

it actually affected historical buildings, farm buildings, and a school. i went to look at this school after the attack. in general a large number of buildings, 188, of which 30 buildings are of significant historical importance. this attack greatly outraged public opinion and you can clearly understand the reasons for this today in lviv, when you go and see what it did. that from his point of view something changes and attacks even more, focusing on the civil war, as if he feels that something is ending, the goals, but the truth is this: if we look historically at this war, at the last two years, mainly when he starts attacks, he leads them against civil purposes, as if he wants to make up all the time,

which on the other hand does not bring...

i was also at the cemetery, the death of the basilevich family is horrifying with its brutality and its history, which consists in the fact that the father left the house, the family remained and he survived, but they did not, he remains alone, although he had a large family, a well-known lviv family of intelligentsia, officials, literally a week and a half ago, they must have been walking the streets of the city. they did not expect anything, perhaps they even believed that lviv was relatively safe compared to other ukrainian cities, and today they are resting at the lychakiv cemetery, the father of the family and i went there to lay flowers, what help will poland provide to ukrainian infrastructure, medical facilities, energy, which is currently in operation, in the working hours, yes, because that is, that is the reaction.

what i am talking about is just a reaction to the situation in lviv, but the most important thing we are working on now is a tool for ukraine, an eu program called it's time to prepare the first applications not in the form of some complicated form, but just ideas and submit them to the bank economy of regional poland. order to the bank of the regional economy in polsce, bg processes.

such a big one, because it is well known that investments are always partially political in nature, if we talk about huge investments in infrastructure, bridges, roads, this program is not about that, it is about smaller investments, but also strategically important ones. in our program, i would like to address polish and polish-ukrainian organizations, ukrainian businessmen who have connections with poland. time to prepare ideas. i think so thanks to the support of the polish budget in the coming years only through...