mr. ivan, what is happening in the kursk oblast news , there are hostilities taking place from the kursk oblast, and these hostilities are connected with the fact that the ukrainians now hold part of the territory, forcing the enemy to disperse their forces and means and fight on his territory, accordingly inflicting harming their own russian citizens, the ukrainians demonstrate through the kurdish operation. the fact that the russians tried to form pro-ukrainians in the eyes of their population, and now they felt on their own skin how exactly the events were happening then, when there are hostilities on their territory, how the russian army works. in the kursk region , the situation is dynamic, when the ukrainians , while holding one part of the battle line, are expanding at the same time. and e for

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friends, we return and continue our marathon, and now we will talk about six... september 16, because every year on september 16 , the memory of the ukrainian journalist, radio and tv presenter, film director of georgian-ukrainian origin, founder of ukrainian pravda ( ukrainian pravda publication), heorhiy gongadze, who was kidnapped and killed in september 2000, actually, is such a week in memory of georgy gongadze, 24 years have already passed since that terrible year and month, and today we will talk about it with myroslava gongadze, journalist, head of voice of america broadcasting in eastern europe and wife of georgy, congratulations i congratulate you, i congratulate you, the audience. ms. myroslava, 24 years seems like a lot, sometimes

they say that time heals, but in fact, as psychologists explain, time only dulls, not, but does not heal, how, what is this september like for you? how do you perceive this month, this september is difficult, you know, i once, when i gave gifts to vice president biden, i talked to him about loss, he lost his wife, and she also died in a car accident, and we talked about it they talked, and he says that on this particular day he never works, and always goes to my wife's grave to pay this tribute, and for me on... it's also a day where i try not to work and just remember, talk to my daughters, and write something about it, maybe to tell you how today you are on the air about this, because in fact, 24 years have passed, but

it was as if it was today, or is this matter, it has been put to some kind of end and all conclusions have been drawn? do you think everyone involved in this murder has received the deserved punishment today? of course not, of course not, and here we are just this weekend, we saw the eu conference, which is actually where the entire ukrainian elite gathers, and not only the president, the former president kuchma is parodied there on the sidelines. and everyone takes pictures with him, in fact, everyone forgot that this conference was created in order to wash kuchma's image and make him shake hands again after the assassination of georgy. of course not, and we have achieved only partial justice, all the perpetrators of this crime have been punished,

many are no longer alive, the cuckoo carries a life sentence, life imprisonment. therefore, but the customers, the customers remained unpunished, and in fact, until now, as far as i know, the case is pending in the prosecutor general's office, but i do not have access to the case regarding the customers and i do not know what the results are, or whether there are any non-results of this process, you know, you say that the conference for was created to whiten very often in some polls. public opinion of ukrainians can be seen there in the ratings, when they are asked who was the best president, in your opinion, one of the names that comes up is that of president kuchma, when do you see the results of the survey, how do you like them and will you be able to finally convince

ukrainians who president kuchma really is? there is no need to convince anyone of anything, if people want to read, if they want to have their... honest and fair country, they should think about it themselves, try to understand it, it is not my role to convince anyone, we just need to remember that is, to understand what... happened in our country, to analyze all the processes that took place in our country, and to draw your own conclusions, you know, until there will be justice in this case, in many, many cases, about the destruction of ukrainian heroes, whether by russia or already after the independence of ukraine, but ukraine will not be cleansed, and we sometimes blame others for our troubles, but we must also look think about yourself. to think about what we did to clean up our country, whether giorgii giya gongadze became

a national hero for ukrainians, whether this case, whether ukrainians realize how important, well, he essentially became a victim, well , i don't think it is the question is actually for me, but that question to the ukrainians, perhaps such a question should be asked in some sociological survey, but... it must be understood that george actually changed this country, if not with his life, then with his death, and if not for this death, then we do not know , what would happen to ukraine then, did it turn into an authoritarian country, similar to belarus, then ukraine was not actually president kuchma, he could not strengthen his power, and in the end it woke up ukrainian society, our protests. ukraine's protests without kuchma led to what has changed, the civil

society in ukraine has strengthened, and in fact, the fact that today we have the strength and readiness to win back our country, to defend our country, this is part and parcel of this process, so you know, history, it will unfold, will place its points of hope, today, what we are trying to do through the gongadze prize is to preserve this memory and protect journalists. and in fact the situation in ukraine with journalism is quite disappointing, and all these new accusations of surveillance of journalists, of attempts to use journalists, all this very dangerous trends that are appearing again in ukraine today, that's why even international organizations are lowering the level of freedom of the press in ukraine, that's why it's a big... problem and we need to remember this and understand how important freedom is words

and and a free press for and for a healthy democracy, if we want to build a healthy democratic country, last time when we spoke, a year has already passed, you know, and i will repeat this thesis again, if i may, we live now in a country , where we started, family the kuchmas are billionaires who have a lot of influence. and including the political one in this country, where the family of the former prosecutor general of potybenka, who did everything to falsify the case, gongadze, is all employed in the general prosecutor's office and the courts of higher instances, instead, kongadze's family was forced to leave for america and has not returned yet. i'm just trying to apply the word justice to this, somehow i don't see a way. well, you know, i do, we had to go because there were dangers

extremely large, but i must say that my daughters and i have always, well, for many years, they are only now working for the sake of making ukraine stronger, and they also advocate in the united states, and we live in this information space, we continue, and we are actually all very hopeful. that we will still be able to come to ukraine, i recently spoke with my daughters, and they really dream about it, and my daughter, one of them wrote today in ukrainian truth that she is worried about the fate of journalists, the fate of ukraine and and and strives for ukraine to gain its independence, true independence. let these dreams come true. and thank you for the fact that you managed, despite the difficulties, if it

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