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where khrystyna and i discuss, discuss about nabolile, let's weigh our thoughts, let's share our thoughts, what, as they say, people are talking about, perhaps those topics that are not quite raised in the ukrainian information space, but those are strategic topics, on which the future of our country depends, the future of each of us. the topics are painful, i always say that we often talk about painful topics that maybe not everyone will like, but i say again, we need to talk about them, otherwise, as they say, if we don't talk about it, we don't discuss it, then in the future will be much worse. i remind you today about ours poll, it sounds as follows: is it possible in ukraine for a pro-russian revenge like...

like what is happening now, which has been happening for many years in georgia, if you think so, then please take your smartphones or phones, absolutely free, call 0800 211 381, if you think that no 0.800 is 211 382, ​​at the end of this hour we will sum up, and actually about this rematch, in georgia, but what is that... including in theory, maybe and in ukraine. georgia is a country that fought with the russian federation. we are at war with the russian federation. if it is possible for them, why is it not possible for us? we , despite the fact that we see almost every day how all kinds of russian peacemakers, including in ukraine, raise their heads, speak their mind, argue, fight for their right to spread the russian world in ukraine, spread this russian world. and unfortunately, it is no longer

what it was in 2022, today we really observe how everyone is not lazy, from some politicians, to some bloggers, from some cultural figures to someone else, they talk about, they say what they shouldn't say, because ukraine is at war with russia, but they say it this way against the background of a split in society, which they are trying to create now and are trying to do. i am not saying that we are not united, i am not saying that the ukrainian people are in some critical state and are polarizing, no, we have mutual discussions with each other, but in no way should these discussions be related to the attitude of ukrainians to the war, all must be tangential, because only this is the guarantee of our victory, and with this, i think, there are a few ... deviations, and

perhaps it is natural, when the war of such intensity has been going on for the third year, but i would like to talk about the fact that ukrainians ... who will demonstrate the supernatural, when they can overcome this challenge, which is what we are talking about, we talked here in the previous part of our program about taxes and about the change in taxation, about the fact that it is necessary to increase the rates, that those who are in honest relations with the state, who have a contract with the state, will be forced to pay more, this is necessary for so that we can continue to defend ourselves, but we also... talk about the problem of the fact that there are also those who are outside the field of view of our state, sometimes the state made mistakes in its policy regarding these people, driving them under this plinth, and even now it simply does not see them , sometimes these people

chose for themselves such a strategy of existence: i will not show anything to the state, i will simply mow loot in this country as long as i am breathing, this is also a pity. and unfortunately, once again, these people find themselves on the side of the common boat, where everyone has to contribute, truly contributed to the victory. is it fair, definitely not, and our speakers talked about this in the previous part of the program, it is necessary to bring these people and these businesses out of the shadows, and in this way... the burden of a tax nature will be felt in a completely different way, it will not fall on a small a group of people who fundamentally chose for themselves the path of honest cooperation with the state and honest coexistence with it and in it. you know, when

we were talking about this, i thought about our army and really remembered the text of pavel kazarin, one from the most recent, where he touches on the issue of... demobilization at the last press conference of the president and says that there were many different questions, but this question was never heard, despite the fact that the first draft laws on demobilization in our country began to appear at the beginning in 2023, and actually after the changes in the mobilization rules were approved at the level of the verkhovna rada and they are already being implemented, we were promised... and the bill on demobilization for those soldiers who are simply at the limit of human capabilities, capabilities now remain in doing their work, hard work in this country and in this war. this is not happening, and once again

the burden of the war falls on a small percentage of people, a small percentage of ukrainians, 15, 10, 15, we are talking now. about 4 million people who are involved in the defense of our country, these are those who directly feel and bear this war, and there are definitely those who avoid, avoid contact, maybe this is a protective mechanism, maybe it is not a feeling of certain forces to join, but we have to be honest and talk about what should be certain rotational eh... where some expire, others have to come to replace them, this applies to the troops, this applies to volunteers, by the way, if you think that the volunteers who have been working since 2014 can now fully do all that, with with the enthusiasm they

did before, this is a big mistake, these people are also getting tired, just as business is getting tired, which for a long time tried to be honest with the state, which will now, i'm afraid, be raked out again, more than everyone else. others, to come into harmony, to balance the situation, that's what it is necessary to do, you understand, we have to, or the state must also find this balance, that is, when we talk about the balance, it, if we talk about taxes, just now khrystyna mentioned, and this is the top topic of discussions today in ukrainian social networks, i i think in the business community they talk about it as well and many people are very indignant, many people do not like those things. which the verkhovna rada of ukraine is proposing today, but here we need to think about this balance, a balance that will consist first of all in the fact that, if in the country does not have funds, we must find them somewhere, on the other hand, we must understand that these funds should probably be allocated and given

by everyone, and equally, and equally it should apply to absolutely everyone, businesses, officials, judges, er, some, relatively speaking, other actors of this process, that is, anyone, as they say from a to z, and if the state, if all... society understands that it must be involved in this, then the state must also understand that there is a maximum tax burden, a suboptimal tax burden, it will only kill many businesses, many entrepreneurs, many good initiatives that exist in our country, unfortunately, we do not see this dialogue very often, we do not see an understanding of what the state wants and how... the state will be specifically here here or there to put your accents and balance so that both

business is good, and the state is provided, and the army is provided, well , accordingly, all parties, all people, the whole society are involved in this process, this is the most important thing, and when there is no balance, there is a possibility of a crack, because always, sorry, tears where thin, well, it's just a rule, you know? i am afraid of this, this gap, the forces that we are asking you about today in our survey, the consciousness of people who are involved in the war and the consciousness of people who avoid this involvement, well, that's exactly what can play on it, it's different universes, we need to somehow get along with each other within the borders of one country and preferably in some social contracts. actually, what are we talking about, what are we talking about, yes, one

of the heads of the state of georgia, a the state of georgia, we know that it is actually one of the first such states in the zero years in which a revolution took place, so in 2003, if i'm not mistaken, a revolution took place there, the rose revolution, and it was also called when in fact this one... . the neo-soviet regime was changed to a democratic regime, the state that allegedly demonstrated that it was moving towards the european union, to nato, the state that was attacked by the russian federation in 2008, occupied 20% of the territories, this is abkhazia and this is south ossetia, the state in which within 5 days, and the war lasted for 5 days, they killed both peaceful people and soldiers. they bombed villages, destroyed, raped, humiliated,

did whatever they wanted, russia did it, putin did it, it was done by the same ruskomir empire, which today is killing our country, killing our people, which occupied up to 20% of our territory as of now, so how many years have passed since 2008, 16, uh, 16 years have passed, ivanishvili, this is... a georgian oligarch, who is the de facto leader of georgia, who, by the way, was the prime minister of this country, well, then he put his people there, in fact, the person who heads the georgian dream party, and actually what mr. ivanishvili said, he said that you need to find strength in yourself and apologize for the fact that in 2008 in fact, the then government, then georgia, enveloped the ossetian

sisters and brothers in flames. as soon as the elections are over on october 26, when those who started the war will be condemned, attention, not russia, but georgia should be condemned for starting the war, when absolutely everyone is guilty of the destruction of the georgian of setyn brotherhood and coexistence receive the strictest legal response. we will definitely find it. please apologize for the fact that, in accordance with the received task , the traitorous national movement in 2008 engulfed our austin sisters and brothers in flames, that is, it is not russia's fault, it was not putin who attacked georgia, it is not russia that is receiving 20% ​​of the territories today, but it is georgia , or the then georgian government, well, that is , the georgian people, who fought for their independence and... who did not want to actually be like belarus two. that is, we see

what is the political course and geopolitical course of georgia now? before that , we remember what happened. before that, georgia passed a law on foreign agents, and yes. which is absolutely analogous to rashishsky. before that, in georgia, we see how the opposition is persecuted, how it is de facto suppressed. freedom of speech, how they de facto close the mass media, how de facto what are they doing in georgia, letting hundreds of thousands of russians who fled in 2002. so from russia, whose borders have been opened, please visit georgia, which is today live in georgia, who today are beginning to dictate to georgians how to live in their country, but today is not about georgia, we understand that it is up to georgians and citizens of georgia to make choices, how to live on, how to vote in elections and how to accept such

statements . we are talking about ukraine today because... georgia has to some extent gone through a very similar path, as was the case with ukraine. georgia has also experienced war, georgia has also experienced great such political disturbances in its country. and today, when we often talk about some the revenge of the russian forces, about the fact that there is one, then the second, then the third, a public figure in ukraine begins to defend something russian, ugh, we start talking, listen, and... what will happen after that, if, let's say, the war ends , no matter how it ends, we, we don't know how it will end, well , let's say we will preserve our state, of course, we believe that it will be so, but we understand very well that as soon as, relatively

speaking, the active hostilities, these people will appear in ukraine, who... even today, while we are being beaten with missiles, kill ukrainians at the front, destroy and level our cities, occupy our territory, these people are in ukraine, who today are publicly ready to defend the russian world, the russian language, russian monuments, russian street names, russian business, even in to ukraine, russian narratives, which... speak about the fact that not everything is so clear-cut, which today are already beginning to accuse the ukrainian military, who set fire to the cars of military personnel, every day in ukraine, by the way, today you can also see for yourself just by going on the internet and reading about it, those who blur the cultural border today and actually today justify, for example,

russian music in ukraine or russian culture in ukraine, we have repeatedly talked about this in our... program, and we have to think about it here what will happen to ukraine after, and to think about it already today, not tomorrow, because tomorrow the option that will happen, you understand, which will be, conditionally speaking, a soft hybrid option of russia in ukraine, i just want to finally to say we have to understand, russia has not gone anywhere. and it is unlikely that russia will go anywhere. today, russia works effectively in terms of information and culture. today, russia is pursuing its expansive policy on many hybrid fronts in ukraine and outside our country. russia continues to influence the minds of our citizens. and in the end, the final conclusion, the ultimate goal

of russia will most likely be the formation of pro-russian parties again. or such light, such, perhaps even to a certain extent, not quite noticeable pro-russian forces, which, let's say, will be similar to this georgian dream, and because the georgian dream, in the first years of its rule, also said that it was for the eu, that it was for nato, that it was against russia, but every year, step by step, we saw how this country... unfortunately, everything more descends to the level of such a russian political satellite, and this is not, and this is not a claim to the georgian people, in fact , we respect, we respect, the citizens of georgia, we know that many georgian citizens today defend our country, we know that many georgians live in our country and cheers,

supports our country now, we know that in including many georgians inside georgia are also... fighting for their rights and trying to stop this revenge, but the state policy of georgia today, unfortunately, is, well, causing very, very great concern, both in europe and in general in to ukraine, i always have a question, at what point does the division happen, the people, the electorate, let it be so, and the government that makes some decisions, well, that is, on the one hand, we see georgians, what georgians, who constantly go out to protests, which relate to their policy own government, protests. er, which relate to the foreign policy there, again to their country, but this does not in any way receive any conscious reflection in the decisions

of this government, it is as if there is an answer to the question of who is ivanishvili and who are his proteges, these are people, on which are absolutely not influenced by the georgian people in any way, only formally, exclusively on paper, and in ukraine usually such things... it ends very badly for the authorities of the same type. we are now at war with the russian federation, and, to be honest, it is very difficult for me to imagine that after the end of this war, one of the ukrainian politicians would come out and say something like: as soon as the elections are over, when those who started the war will be condemned, when absolutely everyone is guilty of the destruction. in this case , gruzyno osetynsk. brotherhoods, and we, for example, can replace there the russian-ukrainian brotherhood and coexistence receives a stricter legal response, we will definitely find the strength to apologize for the fact that,

according to the task received, treasonous the national movement in 2008 engulfed our ossetian sisters and brothers in flames, that is, no, not even before, it is not even a dialogue between ukraine and russia, it should be a dialogue of ukrainians with ukrainians, with russians . residents, for example, of the temporarily occupied territories of the donetsk-luhansk region, maybe crimea, i don’t know, it’s hard for me to imagine it now, but in the end, looking at how the injection of rockets allows ukrainians, and it allows catastrophically, because in 2022 in february it seemed , that all this is such a fat point on relationships and looking into the eyes of russians, but as we can see, no, he gives in, and a lot. what already seems, well, you know, normal, like, you are being raped, but already, well, in 2013, when this government came to georgia, it

was also impossible to even imagine such things, it has been 11 years, in fact, to imagine this it was absolutely impossible, but as we can see, so much time has passed and what was leading to, as they say, has finally manifested itself, although most likely this... power and those people, they manifested themselves most in 2022, when in fact, stopped supporting ukraine, yes, in the war with russia, when in fact the georgian authorities took such a position of sitting on two chairs, and when all these anti-democratic, anti-western, anti-civilizational movements began, but now let's talk about why in ukraine, even today, when really... flying rockets, when even today it seems that everything is absolutely clear, russian and pro-russian voices are getting louder and louder,

the voices of what is not so clear, the voices that there is no need to cancel, there is no need to destroy the russian in ukraine, because it has always been here and always will here will be, and there are actually a lot of such voices. what is the reason for all this? reason. is that we will not even take the time after the restoration of independence, we will take the time from february 24, 22, we continue to live by half measures, half steps, half bans, half canceling of the russian language, that is, as they say, we continue to compromise with evil, to compromise with... peace in ukraine, and we are still not fully aware of what actions would have to be taken in 2022 in order for there to be no russian in ukraine,

in general. ugh. when we were in our past programs, and in particular our past program was about russian music in ukraine. do you remember we talked a lot, we gave a lot of examples of how ukrainians actually pay the russian budget. federation, listening to russian music on various international platforms, then actually this is a compromise with evil, if the ukrainian state does not adopt laws that prohibit the russian world in ukraine, and everything that concerns the russian world, then this is a compromise with this evil. if the ukrainian state gives today the possibility of a russian platform. whether russian music can be sold legally in ukraine is a compromise with evil, and , unfortunately, there are many, many such compromises.

ugh, these are compromises, for example, which concern the law on languages ​​there, these are compromises that are very often voiced by the mayors of some cities, who do not want to rename streets, who do not want to demolish the monuments of some great russian women writers there, that's all compromises, yeah, and there are actually a lot of such people, inside our country and such people, exactly such people will be orientate russia. in the future, russian politicians in ukraine, or pro-russian ones , will never now talk about the fact that we will go to peace with putin there, or they will not, maybe for the first time, at least go there, as they went to bow, but they will pursue a hybrid policy, and one last thing about politics, by the way, and about compromises, we have... deputies from

the opposition platform for life, who are still sitting in the parliament, no one deprived them of their mandates, no one forbade them to attend meetings, these are deputies, which today are voting, these are the deputies who are making decisions today, someone has access to state secrets, that is, even here at the level of higher authorities, at the level of the verkhovna rada , we see certain compromises, we see that, unfortunately,... those people who even before the 22nd year , they were ready to surrender ukraine to the kremlin, they are still here for some reason, and they have not even answered politically for their position. perhaps, when the elections are held in our country, then we will talk about political responsibility. but, but no, maybe we won't, maybe there will be those who will again will vote for these people. we are talking about

compromises. with russianness, let's call it that, inside our country, at the same time we demand uncompromisingness on the part of ours, well, let's say, uncompromisingness on the part of those who are with us from outside, and every politician, foreign politician and official who voices his visions of development war between russia and ukraine, or at least. hot phase, ukrainians have a lot of questions for each such politician, and they see in these, so to speak, peaceful plans some concessions on our part, perhaps so it is, maybe what olaf scholz has been saying in recent weeks with his peace plan contains some concessions, maybe what bilt wrote about and what, in principle, is

just... the ukrainian president, but maybe that too has some grounds for discussion, and if we are talking about american, currently prominent politicians, then we cannot ignore mr. vance, who voiced disgusting, absolutely disgusting theses for ukraine, and the former us secretary of state in the trump administration, mike pompeo, during annual meeting the eu has been in kyiv for the 20th time and has outlined the essence of its peace plan. it is significantly different from what mr. vance voiced, i suggest listening to the direct speech, it is really interesting, there should be the essence and meaning of the victory of ukraine and europe, and it is also necessary to understand what the defeat of russia means. of course, we are also talking about china, iran, and others. theaters

of action, of course, in my plan we are talking about nato, we are talking about the sovereignty of ukraine over its territories, we need to re-enact the crimean declaration, which is very often forgotten, and we did it during the government trump everyone had a vision of what to do next. yes, as if he sees. on the part of moscow, there are some signals and willingness to speak, for example, i do not really see these signals, well, but less so, this is a slightly different topic, but inside our country we are ready to compromise with russianness in some formats, and we expect uncompromisingness from our partners , only money, weapons and support as much as we need it, and we wish.