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in the mainstream of discussions in the last few days, this is a possible permission to strike the territory of russia with american and british missiles, such a whole parade of reports took place in the western press , including from official officials, it was expected that such permission would be granted at a time when in ukraine had a state secretary. of the united states of america anthony blinken, it did not happen, later everyone thought, thought that it would happen during the meeting between the president of the united states of america and the prime minister of great britain, but again this did not happen, on the other hand we see statements, official statements, in particular, again mr. kirby, he stated that the us has not yet changed its policy regarding strikes deep into russian territory, but ... there are
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other reports , for example, the guardian writes that the usa and britain did allow long-range strikes on the territory of russia, but did not announce it, and here is the most interesting thing, is this really the case, because officially it is not said, officially we see , that the representatives of the white house say no, we have not changed our position, but not officially everything can be much. more interestingly, here is this parade of expectations, a parade of information, information flows, a parade of statements, what does this indicate, and whether, mr. vitaly, we should really expect such an opportunity in the coming days, weeks, or maybe we already have such an opportunity, well it is necessary to understand that this is a period of political change, it is very.
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is preparing a lot, because if it was just an exchange of pleasantries, as you understand, there would not be a whole cycle of meeting, which i will remind you that just this week the secretary of state of the united antoli blinken of the united states traveled to london, held talks there with the british foreign minister, david lammy, david lammy and antony blinken arrived in kyiv together, held talks with volodymyr zelenskyi, after that joseph biden met with keir starmer in washington, and they both ... they say that the exchange of views will continue at the session of the un general assembly, that is , western leaders will also meet there, it is obvious that the strategic course regarding the further russian-ukrainian war will be discussed at this session as well will be volodymyr zelenskyi, so it is obvious that he will meet with western leaders, so this is just preparation for a new stage of the war, let's say, for the war in 2025, and it is obvious that the war in 2020... must be
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different from the war in 2024, as the war will say in 2026, if it continues, so that it will probably differ from the war in 2025 seasonally, we are not even talking about a year now, but it is clear that there in november and december there will be a lull in hostilities, preparations for a new round hostilities in the spring, that means how events should unfold, well , it is obvious that the question of the application of the ukrainian army to the west should become a serious signal for russia. by the way, this is not even a question of whether this application can significantly change, as you understand, the very situation related to the course of hostilities, because we do not know how many missiles we have, how many long-range missiles are now the armed forces of the ukrainian army, i think the financial times wrote about this, will really be capable of
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to change the situation related to russian military arsenal, or ukraine will always receive new ones, huh. batch of, say, british missiles, or not only british ones. well, this is one question, and it is a question of a signal for putin. the second question, of course, it says that, and this is also a signal for putin, even if these missiles are not seriously used, uh, these missiles, and even if there are single strikes, they may be single strikes on sensitive areas, so another signal is that the event continues, this is an important moment, and indeed. he said that look if these missiles will take off from ukraine, they will not be able to find the target without the help of american intelligence satellites, so we will consider that in this way the united states and its allies are directly involved in the war, and what has the west done, according to
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biden, biden brushed off these words putin, then, in principle, also demonstrates, well, you can threaten us, but we will not pay attention to it, because our position does not depend on. threats, this is an unpleasant thing for putin. the next point is that, in principle, the russians are convinced that their tactic, that they will force the west to exhaustion and to hold consultations with them to end the war on their terms, it is not revealed in any way. well, this is also a very important point from this signal, will there be an official permission to use these missiles, as it should be, what keir starmer or? someone from his government will come out and say: we have made a decision that storm shadow missiles can be used by ukraine to attack the territory of the russian federation, ukrainian citizens, as they say, have been waiting for this all week, sitting, and when
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were there strikes by storm shedeu in the crimea, were there such statements? an important result, i think that it will not be announced in any case, i will even tell you otherwise, maybe first we will find out that russia used iranian ballistic missiles and some fragments of these missiles will be found during the shelling of some ukrainian city or military ob object, already after that the russians will find fragments of some western missile on their heads, and by the way, this is exactly what can prevent the russians from using iranian missiles, because they will understand very well that it is possible that they they press on the hooks. which will change the situation really to a new level of escalation, which they themselves do not want, but imagine that you are putin, and you think that what should i do to prevent the west from actually allowing the use of these long-range missiles, well,
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obviously not to use the iranian ones, and if i sneeze, if i want a new escalation, if i believe that i will win this escalation, if the more escalation the better for me, then of course i will use iranian missiles. to receive western missiles in return and possibly make a new one in turn an even more serious step for the further escalation of the situation, that is how drones are now flying into the territory of nato countries, maybe at some point, because we must remember all the time that we are, in principle, approaching the third world war with you, this is a train that is going to this station, and it should be realized that ukraine is only an intermediate and not the main peripheral station of this train, but this missile will enter the territory of some country. member of nato, and this is where the west's reaction will be important, whether it will decide what it is by chance, will he decide that this is a deliberate provocation? there's something to think about here, and here's something to watch for in the coming months, maybe weeks, even, because this world war iii train
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is moving so fast, so fast. and by the way, russia announced the testing of nuclear weapons for the first time in 32 years, it seems. in its eastern part of the territory, that is, as far as i understand, we will be talking about what will actually be used, conditionally speaking, for such allegedly educational and testing purposes one of the tactical, i emphasize again, tactical political missiles by russia on its territory, of course, but this is again a moment that changes the situation, as you understand, because everyone said that russia ... will never be able to decide to use of nuclear weapons without prior exercises, that nuclear exercises are the first step towards the use of nuclear weapons on any territory, including on the territory of ukraine. well, it means that training is the first step of the intimidation of a more
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global one, so that's the first, well, no, it's not intimidation is the first step of preparation, ugh, ugh, intimidation is when you talk, and when you test, you prepare. this can somehow change or influence the united states of america, the nato bloc, regarding the supply of something to ukraine, well, it is not a fact that it is far, i think they are ready for it. everyone perfectly understands that they did not say that the possibility of using nuclear weapons of the russian federation in a war against ukraine is on the table, it may simply never happen, but you saw that recently the director of the central intelligence agency of the united states, bill burn, said that in 2022, the experts of his organization assessed the possibility of russia using nuclear weapons in the war with ukraine as very high, after that the risk of this use disappeared, why, because the front line died in... then the ukrainian troops advanced quite rapidly, then
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a large part of our territory was liberated, the russian troops were forced to leave the north of ukraine, the russian troops were knocked out of the kharkiv region and kherson, and against this background, of course, it is simply necessary to understand this formula: the more we are the successes of the ukrainian troops on the russian-ukrainian front, the more advantageous is the use of the russian... federation of nuclear weapons in the war with ukraine, this is clear, once again , it doesn't mean that it will be used, but the probability increases, at least that's how it's analyzed, these are two of those, you know, like on the libra of the old, well, they're such slides, you put this slide and this slide rises, you put a slide ukrainian victory, the mountain of nuclear weapons is rising, the slopes of the ukrainian victory are decreasing, the possibility of using tactical nuclear weapons is decreasing, this is a simple formula, and... the front line has frozen, that is, the ukrainian troops have not seriously advanced anywhere,
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the russian troops have also not advanced, we have entered a situation of such a dead end pato, which maybe it is partially interrupted there by what is happening in kursk oblast, but it is too small a controlled territory for it to be able to significantly change this very feeling that nothing is seriously moving anywhere, well, by analogy there is the same, in fact, movement on the cover. well , that means there is no such moment now, but putin in principle wants to be ready to use nuclear weapons in case the situation changes dramatically, or there is one more moment, if russia really decides that without real intimidation of the west it is impossible to achieve the goal, the goal, as we remember, is the destruction of ukrainian statehood, and this goal is not going anywhere from the russian plans, it will exist, in principle, we just have to... understand that even if we ever reach a truce there in some perspective i'm with
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russia, the goal of destroying ukrainian statehood is not shared anywhere, our goal, as i already said, is long periods of peace in which we will prepare for short bloody wars, this is how we will live for the next ten years, most likely, if we do not become members of nato, but , and i hope that we will become, so we will not live like this, but in this situation, in this situation, the moment that is important is that they can decide what they need to... in the end , they are not going to beat us, if they decide, that the west is directly participating in the war, will decide to decide, but they have nothing to do with it necessary, and they can solve it at any moment without any new missiles, but stormshadow was in sevastopol, the west is involved, everything that makes sevastopol different from, say, an attack on some object near bryansk or under... moscow doesn't care, well, from their point of view, it means they don't decide, but they will take it and decide, but putin may
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get the idea that if he hits some military object, a western one, then the west understands that it is necessary to stop playing, so to speak, and that's why they don't just raise the level of tension, they threaten americans with a war on their territory, you saw how sergey lavrov said that the americans there hope that the war will start... on the territory of europe and the world, no, we will fight on the territory of the united states, this is another one, i would said, the special accompaniment of the election campaign in the united states, it is also clear. you mentioned this meeting of everyone with everyone, and about big meetings, about big trips to ukraine, to great britain, in the united states of america, and we talked about it as a context of what is being discussed about the possibility the use of western, american, and
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british weapons on the territory of russia. american, i think, no. well, in theory, in theory, because we don't really know what will be resolved. don't you think that there could be, including other topics of discussion, key actors, international, key actors in relation. to ukraine, what i'm talking about, this parade of peaceful initiatives, and zelensky talks about it, almost at every speech, almost at every speech that... completely in a pro-ukrainian way, we will probably talk about this separately, that is, don't you think that someone is discussing these peace initiatives, which, as you already said at the beginning of our program, in your opinion, do not carry,
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relatively speaking, any so far, the semantic load, you know why i... believe that there is no point in talking about any peace initiatives, it is like in the old joke about the russian empress, you know the joke, how makler suggests to a man from some russian province that he married his son of the russian empress, and he says to him: why do i need an empress, she will not work, she will lie there in her bed until the 12th day, and i need to work here, i have livestock here, i have a farm here, i have a well says... but she is a rich woman, your son will live like an emperor, and they argue for a long time, and in the end the man says: i am ready to marry my son to the russian empress, what should be done, he says: negotiate with the empress, convince empress, i wonder when we hear all these proposals,
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from olaf scholz, from donald trump, jd vance, even from vladimir. ugh, we have already convinced the russian empress, well, that is , vladimir putin absolutely ignores any peace initiatives, real ones, even when he says that he is ready to listen to some proposals from the countries of the global south, then the same conditions begin again: the withdrawal of troops of donetsk, luhansk, kherson, and zaporizhzhia regions, demilitarization, denazification, istanbul agreements, ugh, yes, yes, where are there... which never were initialed and signed, but there is, as you know, in the appendix the demilitarization of ukraine, and so on, and if he is not going to negotiate on any fair terms, why are we discussing the details of these peace plans, they say that ukraine will
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to force them to give their territories to russia, what does it mean to give them, what do we control them, how can they be given? what you don't have, we don't have it, or do we have to be persuaded to legally give up these territories, no, the west says it's impossible, from his point of view we clearly have to state that these are our internationally recognized territories, even if we do not control them, well, why do they say this, i think that this is just a diplomatic game, it has nothing to do with reality, that is, everyone has their own reasons, well, what reasons does volodymyr have do we understand zelensky? these are not even reasons to keep ukrainian society in a state of waiting for some kind of peace. it seems to me that ukrainian society has already realized that we are only in the first years of this long war, and that there are no people among us who believe that the war there will end soon. but ukraine's allies must see that we want peace and are ready for negotiations.
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western countries, countries of the global south. what should the ukrainian president do? has: you know, we will not negotiate. we will fight here as long as possible , well, for a while we said so, for a while, well, no, well, we still said that we are ready for a just peace, but now we say that this, what are we talking about we have a peace formula, there is a plan for its implementation there are formulas, the first peace summit, we agreed on some points, now the second peace summit, we will agree on some more points, we will invite russia, do you think russia will come, no, of course. but president zelensky must demonstrate now that he is inviting russia, and russia is refusing. i would like to remind you that during the first peace summit, swiss diplomats offered the minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation, sergei lavrov, to join this meeting, and he responded quite harshly that, firstly, russia is not going to participate in any formats initiated by ukraine, and this is the rule that will apply to these peace negotiations and in
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the following years of this war. and secondly, that switzerland is not friendly. country, well, maybe now there will be an attempt to hold a summit in a country that is friendly with russia, and then that country would invite it, well, i don’t know, maybe in beijing, but it wasn’t there in beijing, well, it’s an interesting idea, but again, even the presence of russia at some peace summit in beijing hardly gives any hope that the war will end on the terms we would like, uh, that is, practically, when russia comes to lavrov to the peace summit in beijing, it means concessions already on our part to a certain extent. parties, you understand, this is a completely different plan, this is not zelensky's peace formula, this is putin sidzenpin's peace formula. scholz and divens, somewhere roughly voiced. the same plan, plus or minus divens said more about nato, scholz said about certain territorial compromises, well divens actually also talked about territorial compromises, and somehow it
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all coincided in time, why, well, it is clear why divens is saying this, and of course that really somewhere plus or minus there can be such a position with trump, we do not know at all what the position is with trump, but we can guess whether this end of the war in 20 hours or in 48 hours , it can only be this way, and here is scholz, who spoke about supporting ukraine, about the fact that germany will be there with ukraine until the end, and so on and so on, why suddenly he came out with such initiatives, which to some extent contradict the interests of ukraine. and what do you see there, he says that he will invite russia to the peace and territorial summit concessions directly, well, he did not directly say that there will be territorial concessions. well , he is talking about the fact that ukraine may have to, conditionally speaking, give up some that, and by the way, the head of the faction, his political force, the social democratic party, if
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he proposes to create a committee of some kind to prepare for a coup, clarify yes, he clarified a little , here i am now tu-doo-doo-doo-doo, set up a contact group and stated that the contact group should include china, india, turkey and brazil, which are coming to play a... role mediocre, but we also say all the time that we want the country globally, i don't see anything here, nothing special, that does not coincide with the ukrainian position, in this case, it is some kind of political position of scholz in order to act as such a chancellor of peace, perhaps this is an internal political situation connected with the fact that there is an alternative for germany, the saravekt alliance, they are talking about the need for negotiations, to show that the social democrats are not hawks, they also do not want a preliminary agreement, not only that russia does not want it, because it is all simple to what i assume that's all coincides with the election that you and i talked about a lot, and the election that's going to be, i think, next sunday, so that could be part
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of that story, in terms of jaydee vance, you know, there too there is a certain logic, i say again, i do not discuss the issue of the territory, i constantly remind that if we cannot liberate these territories by military means, there are no... possibilities of political return of these territories, well, you just have to tell yourself, that's how many years the turkish republic controls the so-called turkish republic of northern cyprus? 74th year is how much? 50, 50 years, this year, 50 years - this is how the war ended, the demarcation line was drawn, and still there is no... any progress in the territorial unification of cyprus. moreover, just now i read about such an amazing situation that netflix had to show the famagusta series about how
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the events related to the occupation by cypriot-turkish troops took place, well, again, it's hard to call it an occupation either, because turkey always says, that she stood up to the greek radicals who could to cause serious problems for the turkish population of cyprus, but russia also said the same thing about crimea. this was also a carbon copy of this operation in 2014, the operation of the 74th year of the turkish army, they simply messed it up, and netflix took this series off the air, well, it took it off, it took it off in turkey, everywhere, except greece, all over the world, all over in the world, it will be in greece, it will be in greece, yes, well, it's just so that we understand how it is that turkey, maybe even more than russia, yes, in this regard, but again. yes, if we can't politically to liberate these territories by military means, then we need to prepare for ten years of their stay as part of the russian federation, not
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up to 5 years, but up to 55. that the new russian leadership will be ready to return the occupied territories. well, by the way, in the 74th year. i also read some texts there, when in greece on kipla they believed that when turkey changes, it will be possible to solve the cypriot issue, the turkish language for these 50 years changed several times beyond recognition, there were democratic, secular regimes, military regimes, then erdogan began, but the consensus in turkish society was always very simple, this territory should not be given away, well, of course, there was always a similar consensus regarding... what territorial property was in russia and will be, so when we are told that we should give up control over the territories, i say again that we should not have any illusions,
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president zelensky absolutely. when i say that we can use political instruments for the return of these territories, if we do not have military force, that is, if there is no military force, at this moment we agree on an armistice, on the cessation of war, and we do not recognize that these territories are the territory of the russian federation, and the russian federation does not recognize that these are the territories of ukraine, then this is such a situation, cyprus or kashmir between india and pakistan, well, it exists. pakistan thinks it's pakistan, india thinks it's india, half of the territory controlled by pakistan half of the territory, india, it's like dnipro, zaporizhia or kherson region, that's all, that's what we're really talking about, is such an option possible in the context of the current discussions, so-called peace initiatives, if, if such a desire ever appears not in us, but in russia, currently
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president putin. says that a prerequisite for the end of the war may be the withdrawal of ukrainian troops from all territories that russia has declared as its own, but i also do not think that this is a serious proposal, first of all, it is humiliating, so why should we withdraw troops from the territory , which they cannot capture. secondly, can a situation arise under which hostilities will end along the demarcation line, if they do not have enough strength to continue fighting, then again. let's go back to jay divens' suggestion. jay divens says it's like the chinese on the ceasefire line. and not the accession of ukraine. but at the same time, ukraine must be armed so that russia can no longer attack it. and tell me, please, and if you are putin, are you interested in such a peace agreement? why are you on your line, a collision where you
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know that ukraine is dew. to these territories, and you claim ukrainian territories, why are you armed with the americans of ukraine, that is, even the proposal is quite liberal in relation to putin, relatively speaking, from the trump camp, it did not suit putin either, well, of course, it is not liberal, it is an open mockery of putin, when jadiven says, we will arm ukraine so that it can punish you, no, he says that what is needed is not just the withdrawal of troops and not just the entry of nato, but demilitarization... fixing the number of the armed forces of ukraine, how many there are 60,000 according to the istanbul agreements, something up to 100 thousands there are few, well, with russian inspection all the time, no modern equipment, that is , this is how you explain, this is belarus, well, from the military point of view, belarus, well, actually belarus is a point, and at the same time, imagine
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what the political processes are like. in such a country, imagine that such an agreement has been reached, demilitarization, the war is over, then there are parliamentary elections, and here you go, andriy, to the parliamentary elections we must have a strong state that will resist russian aggression, prevent us from capturing more territory, who will vote for you, when you know for sure, you citizens of ukraine, that you basically lost the war, it’s just a pity for you, the americans and the russians allowed you to exist, but you don’t have an army, well, you’re in some kind of place... it’s not even belarus, it’s like vyshi, just big, maybe for the territory, well, if you want to survive, then you have two ways of survival in such a country, or you, well, not in such a country, two ways of survival in general, or you leave here, because you think that russia will surely come again, or you think that she will not come, if you choose a government that will definitely be allied with putin, no, well, in that case, what we are saying is a creeping occupation, of course it is.
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political occupation, as, as it seems, like in georgia, or in vietnam or in south vietnam after, the same, the same, there was not only a discussion about limiting the army, there was a discussion that the russian language was there , denazification, there is also the whole istanbul agreement, well, in addition, in the appendices, there is also the same thing, it was actually about the political degradation of the ukrainian state and its slipping into the conditional sphere of influence of this one. russian vamira or russia, how to call it? yes, on a temporary basis, because if you don't have an army, you can't defend even that. well, a pretty simple plan. now the question arises, if jay divens tells putin, you know, nothing will work, we give you these territories in effect. we agree that ukraine will not be a member of nato, although in fact putin does not care at all, he does not care about nato, but that ukraine does not exist. and...

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